Why people are okay with this
Normalfags, the main demographic for games now, dont know they can have better.
Because it's purely cosmetic.
Why are you not okay with it? It's purely optional and only cosmetic.
I don't understand the reason to freak out if it's purely cosmetic
Can someone explain why there is frustration?
Not even kidding but those things are way more fun to open that csgo cases. Bought 11 loot boxes because Im not a poorfag and got 2 Legendaries.
>>340357605
Because cosmetics that you can earn by playing, too, don't give you a leg up in competition.
>>340357605
>Optional
>Cosmetic
>Earnable by playing
>>340357605
because all new map and heros are free
>>340358431
this desu
it's like a random prize instead of getting a random turd in csgo and having to pay to get a key to unlock it
Explain to me how microtransactions are any different from cosmetic dlc?
Oh right they're the same thing, the only difference is this game is made by blizzard so everyone flips their shit.
WoW has had this shit for years at this point, I'm not saying it's good or right, but it's nothing new.
>>340358452
>>340358560
>What is psychology and enjoyment in a video game
>feeling left out doesn't affect your enjoyment
>grinding hundreds of hours is ok
get a load of those faggots
>>340358331
>>340358395
>>340358696
Prove it
>>340357605
Future maps will be free. If purely cosmetic items fund it idgaf. It's how a cash shop should work
>>340357605
In the old days you would usually have to put a cheat code in or grind by completing x tasks to unlock stuff. They basically took out cheats in favor of paying to skip grinding or the unlocking process. It's way more jewish, but people who 100% games or close to it aren't even affected by it
>>340358696
They'll be as free as skins - have fun unlocking new heroes through crates :)
>>340358758
>what is self control
If you're that weak-minded then perhaps this game is not for you.
>>340358697
wait what
isnt it basically the same thing?
csgo crates drop for free and then you buy the key.
or am i missing something
>>340358912
You have to spend money to open CSGO crates unless they've changed out Valve does their crates. It's not the same as getting a free crate to open every now and then.
>>340358912
What you are missing is that you can flip csgo items for more steambux to buy more csgo items or video games
where as overwatch, all items are worthless because there is no community market to sell them
>>340357605
charging for shit that should be free is a bad look.
if blizzzard can get away with it, other developers will start doing it. just like how microsoft started charging for online and sony jump on board.
>>340358912
You buy or earn an Overwatch lootcrate and you just open it. No key. You don't even have to pay, you get one every time you level up
>>340357605
Because it doesn't hinder the game and might as well not be there. It's even less jewy than CS:GO which gives you boxes that can only be opened by paying
>>340358895
I don't play games to be constantly exercised in self-control. I do have it, but there's nothing good in the constant pressure. And before you argue that there isn't any pressure - there certainly is, that's the focus of this business model.
It depends really.
If you can get that stuff throught in-game currency, like in R6:Siege or CoH2 now, then i don't really mind, especially if it's just cosmetics.
If not, then it's a dick move.
>>340358696
u mean the rest of the game? I'll be sure to tweet a heartfelt thank you to Blizzard for all the free stuff
>>340359025
so it is even more of a waste of money
>>340358894
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Overwatch-Won-t-Charge-Heroes-Maps-104007.html
http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/7/9864448/overwatch-will-receive-additional-heroes-and-maps-for-free
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/all-overwatch-post-release-maps-and-heroes-will-be/1100-6432887/
http://www.pcgamer.com/all-of-overwatchs-post-launch-maps-and-heroes-will-be-free/
http://www.inquisitr.com/2617994/blizzard-confirms-overwatch-dlc-will-be-free-after-launch/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/12/08/overwatch-wisely-decides-to-keep-all-future-heroes-and-maps-free/#66f0e88061c1
>>340357605
Most people aren't unless they
1) can be earned through gameplay
2) are purely cosmetic
Honestly, as a current game dev there is no reason not to put shit like this in because it's basically free money. Some idiot will buy them.
If you don't like the trend of putting shit like this into games AND a game have microtransactions that don't affect the game or can be earned through a reasonable amount of play just don't fucking buy them.
You should be more upset with the fucktards who encourage this stuff. Devs aren't doing it because they're greedy, they're doing it because it is guaranteed money for 0 effort. Blizz has probably already made more money off of the loot boxes than the sales of the game and all they did is take a pre-existing gameplay feature and say "...or you could buy it for real money" and people flipped shit and spent hundreds of dollars trying to get that one skin they will never get from a loot box anyway because retards.
IMO everyone should write their representatives and try to get this shit regulated like a real casino. That would stop that shit real fast. Suddenly it's more hassle if you have this cancer in your games AND the government gets more money to waste on bombs.
>>340357605
It's tacky but they're just cosmetics. If it was unique weapons or characters it'd be bullshit.
>>340359140
Yes, but these people will defend their purchases regardless so don't bother trying to understand their autism.
>>340359126
Then this game is not for you.
>>340358696
Game with barely any content.
>look guys you'll get the rest of the game for free if you keep buying our loot crates
Casuals are so easily manipulated.
>It's cosmetic
Has everyone forgotten about what started as sparkle ponies and what is now instant boosts to level 100 for sale?
>>340359130
Everything you can earn through the crates is also purchasable with currency in game. Some of the more lucrative things will, of course, cost more but no real money ever has to be spent.
>>340359298
Have you forgotten that you're a faggot?
>>340359170
If "you can get all the cosmetics ''''for free'''' without spending a cent" is an argument,
then it can also be argued that releasing heroes and maps through crates (or the currency FROM the crates) is also "free" and fits with what they said
>>340357605
Microtransactions aren't going anywhere so I just accepted that they'll be in games nowadays. I'll take cosmetics as microtransactions any day over weapons or boosters.
>>340359298
Then start a row when you get actual boosts for items.
>Not a poorfag
>Like the game and support it
>Want to look like a special snowflake
>Buy crate with my own money
>People care
>CS:GO crate drops for free
>Buy key
>Open for knife skin
>It's okay
>TF2 crate drops
>Buy key
>Get unique weapon
>It's okay
>?????
>>340359305
That's neat then, that's what i'm saying.
At this point it'd be really in everyones best interest for MP only games to be cheaper and have a system like that.
They'd probably make more money on the long run.
>>340359265
Which doesn't counter any of my arguments.
The simple fact that the content in the Loot Boxes are completely randomised is totally bullshit and a total psychological trick to making you want to purchase a more expensive box.
>>340359497
Nor does it invalidate any of mine. If you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen.
>>340359456
CS:GO cases are fucking garbage. Never gotten anything worth shit.
>>340359491
My main issue is that unboxing duplicates only refunds you 1/5th of the cost which is still fine until you've unboxed the same legendary skin 3 times in a row now.
Jim Sterling made the perfect irrefutable argument about these Loot Boxes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWTsJZD3YFQ
>>340359497
Your arguments don't matter because this game is not for you
Why do you feel every single game in existence needs to completely cater to your tastes and must 100% follow your sensibilities?
>>340359538
theres more than one type?
>>340358827
This man I really don't know how to come back after you posted a reaction image with absolutely no argument at all
I guess you've won this argument
no wonder Konami turned to Pachinko you fuckers love gambling
>>340357605
>pity timer givers you a legendary at least every 10 boxes.
>However duplicates only give 20% of the gold value
I think it could balanced a bit better, but it's relatively fair.
>>340359576
But it's okay to buy randomized loot box keys in Counterstrike
It's okay to buy a hat in Team fortress. Or a gun. Or a key for a box that might drop these.
But suddenly Overwatch. Everyone shits their pants and it's not okay a-and Blizzard shouldn't be allowed to get away with this!!
>neo/v/ cant find anything bad to say about the game so it picks the optional microtransactions that you can earn for free or buy with ingame money anyway
kek
>>340359424
Do you seriously think they're going to go "Heh fuck it lets make this one hero cost money to unlock and completely fuck up the design of our game heh. We iz evul".
I can guarantee all heroes will be free.
>>340359694
Yes, there's 5 of them as OP's pic clearly shows
>>340357605
because they promised all future characters and maps would be free. thats why its okay to fund the project in this manner.
>>340359763
Why the fuck do you think people make fun of paid cosmetics by calling them "hats"? This shit has been hated since TF2, don't be stupid.
>>340359832
lol, thats just different AMOUNTS of the same box bud
>>340359832
It's the same picture, just telling you you can buy more than one box at a time. They are literally the same box.
>>340359668
>irrefutable
>"having loot boxes like this in a buy to play game isn't acceptable"
Why? He never says why.
This is his opinion, and even if it's an opinion I agree withit's still an opinion. It's not an actual argument. You can completely refute that as an argument by saying "I disagree"
>>340359741
Half, not 20%
>>340359424
No, it can't, you retarded fucking mongoloid. One of the lead designers said it would not be fair for someone, at any time, to own a hero that someone else may not have access to.
Do research before spouting your stupid fucking "hurr its not gonna be """"free"""" "free"".
Christ.
Retards gon tard.
>>340359565
It does. This is a predatory business model which has no place in B2P games. I should not be forced to handle the heat in the first place, get it through your thick skull Blizzdrone.
>>340359684
If your only argument in favor of predatory microtransactions is "don't play it lol", then you really have no argument at all.
>>340359891
Splatoon offered all of its weapons and Maps updates for free for the last year and it didn't need microtransactions of any kind, and considering that Overwatch's sales are in the millions, your argument holds no weight and is merely a PR excuse.
>>340359961
200 credits back for a legendary dupe.
>>340360032
>predatory business model
Good Lord you're actually pathetic if you think cosmetic induced envy is a "predatory" model.
And you're not forced to handle the heat because you can choose NOT TO BUY THE GAME.
>>340360032
If your only argument against predatory microtransactions is "I personally dislike it so it's bad" then you really have no argument at all
I'm glad the Stillborn defense force is still trying to smear Overwatch because of the cosmetic cases that don't affect a single thing.
>>340359424
Are people really saying this, this is an incredibly retarded idea to use crates to unlock heroes.
>gamers defend microtransactions in full priced games
can they go any lower?
>>340359906
Actually, i think the main issue with the hats in TF2 was how out of place then are in the game world. Some of that crap really stands out like a sore thumb.
Same thing in CS:GO or any other FPS with weapon skins.
From what i've seen in Overwatch, the skins are ussualy pretty much in sync with the overall tone of the game.
>>340357605
I don't understand why people complain about it. Buying Pokemon or MtG cards has rng in it.
>>340359976
>One of the lead designers said it would not be fair for someone, at any time, to own a hero that someone else may not have access to.
But you have access to it. You just have to play to get it. This is literally the same argument every overwatchfag is using, that you have access to all content in game because you can earn it for free.
>>340360181
How does Blizzard's dick taste?
Dota and CSGO have been doing this (CSGO still costs money btw) and I have always viewed this model as the best for competitive games. It's purely cosmetic and low entry cost. It helps keep the game that you love maintained (as far as servers, etc) and provides income for new content for the game. Dota 2 came out 5 years ago and is more popular now than it was back then. That's a huge accomplishment for any video game.
>>340359906
>Never seen a whining thread like this about TF crates
>Or CS:GO crates
>have actually seen multiple threads of people showing off their decked out TF2 character loadouts
>>340360238
ye 40 dollars is full priced
>>340360295
Becasue they've already dropped $40/60 to play the actual game, something you don't need to do with either of your examples.
>>340360375
Then I don't think you've been around very long. People who bitched lose interest over time, and only the people who buy into cosmetics start posting. It will happen with Overwatch too.
>>340360312
Cosmetics are not the same as content and no one is denying that buying boxes gets you access to cosmetics faster, so if heroes or maps were released in crates then those who paid for them would have an advantage.
Cosmetics don't confer an advantage, whether you pay for them or play for them, but quicker access to heroes or maps certainly does.
>>340360426
>something you don't need to do with either of your examples
Yes you do. You can't play a game of pokemon or magick with a single booster pack.
>>340360392
Full priced for a F2P format
I feel like the loot crate microtransactions are a remnant from when it was Titan, that and the currency system, both combined with how leveling works for loot crates just make both of those seem extremely redundant.
Really though, they should have scrapped the currency and microtransactions and tied all unlocks to achievements, and then loot crates just being a way to slowly unlock everything passively as you level if you can't git gud or do some extremely arbitrary thing with a hero
>>340360151
It is, because it preys on psychology of players. And considering that people buy it in droves just furthers to prove my argument. People easily fall prey to it without even understanding what psychological tricks led them to it.
>And you're not forced to handle the heat because you can choose NOT TO BUY THE GAME.
Yes. But it doesn't make my criticisms of the game invalid.
>>340360179
But "i personally dislike it" is not my argument. I said that it's a predatory business practice which has no place in paid-for games. Nice strawman.
>>340360552
Yes you can, just go on the internet and print out a board on paper.
>>340360312
That's not having access you clown. That's "not having access to this ""free"" hero until you randomly unlock it, so until then, get fucked and hope they aren't OP, or buy our loot crates friendo :^)"
>>340359668
good on him for waiting till after the game sold a billion copies and 10 billion boxes. At least the game won't be eligible for his end of the year game awards though, right? After he hooked it up with a 9 out of 10?
He's such a good guy for standing up against these shitty practices.
>>340360573
Every game is designed to be bought and played. You may as well rail against the entirety of the video games industry.
>>340359668
Wait wait wait, you are fucking Jim Sterling I have seen these types of posts a week ago.
This guy is trying to fucking get jumpstart 4chan popular kek
>>340360540
>get reinhardt's gold skin
>a couple people are jealous and focus me
>enables my team to fight more freely because it makes my job as the tank easier
>get junkrat's green skin
>launch past enemy team then hide in a bush until they give up on trying to find me
>booby trap the path back to the front line
>>"cosmetics have ABSOLUTELY ZERO affect on the gameplay guys!"
>>340360540
>player models is not content
You are this retarded.
>Cosmetics don't confer an advantage
They don't. But it's still a withheld content. Not to mention that company has every incentive to release a bad default skin in favor of making cosmetics more desirable.
So many Blizzard fans have Activisions cocks so far up their thoats to see that Overwatch IS a Free To Play game, just converted at the last minute to make it seem like its not for maximizing profits and the fact that these loot boxes exist is the very evidence to that claim.
If the game had a free version where you had 4-6 characters on rotation while being able to purchase single characters, or pay $40 for the All Characters Pass, then you essentially have a game with the EXACT business model that Smite has.
>>340360573
>which has no place in paid-for games
Why? Because you said so? 7 million people disagree. The devs of the fucking game disagree.
>>340360767
Not every game has microtransactions. Apply yourself.
>>340360879
No, because you still have to pay $40-60 to get the game in the first place.
I hope you enjoy never getting that skin you want! Better buy a new crate for another chance! It's not like they can just let you buy the skin, no you gotta gamble for it! That's how you make the big bucks!
You people sicken me.
>>340360573
What the fuck in marketing or anything that has to do with money not about psychology, it's been in human nature and nature since the beginning of time.
I have a problem with this microtransaction system as it reminds me of the one in the Plants vs zombies garden warfare.
Still like that PVZ
From where I stand this is what I hear when people say "this is only cosmetics, so it doesn't matter."
a) It doesn't matter to *me*. That it matters to others is irrelevant.
b) I don't care that the practice is predatory, as long I'm not the victim, and as long as I can profit from it.
That second one is especially important since people will tell you that the influx of money is necessary for continued development of the game, and to prevent the segmentation that would happen with DLC packs.
But then those are not the only two possible payment schemes. A subscription based model could have been adopted. With fairer practices across the board for it. But then everyone would have to pay. Not just the segment of people for whom cosmetics matters and who are susceptible to the predatory skinner box practices.
>>340360986
Name a team based game in the past half decade that does not have a form of micro transactions.
>>340360986
So only microtransactions are predatory? Why? Because you want them?
Is DLC predatory? Because you want it?
Why aren't games predatory in general? The developers want you to buy them, and in droves. Hell, they do research on what gets players addicted to playing their games. Why isn't that predatory?
>>340360614
Now you have a game board and 15 cards from that booster pack
Where's your deck? A deck takes 60 cards
>>340361032
These threads get hilariously close to those logs of people with a financial domination fetish, i love it.
>>340360974
User Score disagree's with you, Just because 7 million purchased the game doesn't mean they like the MT's
>>340361032
I just want Hayseed Junkrat.
Because Blizzdrones will defend literally everything blizzard does, no matter how stupid or jewish it is.
what's worse is that the microtransactions are for random loot. blizzard is really loving those whales that casually spend hundreds gambling
>>340361075
>predatory
You are seriously pathetic.
Remember when people used to get mad about on-disc dlc? Now people want it.
>>340359424
They explicitly said they didn't want to split the player base at all. Missing skins doesn't split a player base, but missing characters and especially maps does. They said they want to just give them out. It makes sense to do that as well, as it means a whole slew of new things to get in a crate. But I'm sure they'll just not support their cash cow because "muh blizzdrone"
Reminder no matter how bad your luck is Ive hit level 20 without a single skin drop of any rarity
>>340361142
Easy Splatoon
Hell it went the extra mile of having all of its post release content get released for FREE.
>>340357605
It's completely optional.
>>340360974
Funny, coming from a defense force which calls those who purchase skins "idiots". So, almost 7 million idiots?
>>340360876
>Thinking your skin makes people focus on the tank
Y-You're just pretending to be retarded, right?
>>340357605
I'm not, and I won't buy overwatch. I won't do paid DLC either, but that's a different story.
>>340361380
It's completely random and purchasing one gives you no say in what you're getting.
>>340361206
>everyone agrees with me so I'm right
That's not how things work anon.
>>340357605
Becuase, as babies, they were left in their high-chair sitting in the sun too long and the heat caused their brain to swell, leading to irreversible brain damage, OP.
>>340360876
Enemy characters are highlighted you idiot, and people focus on characters for whatever reason. Maining a certain character will get you shit on by other players. Getting upset and whining in team chat will get you shit on by other players.
>>340360876
>grasping at straws this hard
Holy fuck, what a moron
>>340361206
The metacritic reviews are full of really salty people though. Not to mention all the battleborn fans that have nothing to do.
>>340361226
Yea but the loot crates are free, and just cosmetic.
Compared to every other game that effects gameplay or definitely cost money to use then ok...
>>340361256
Nice ad hominem. I'll wait for an argument as to why a scheme that is specifically tailored so as to abuse the psychological weaknesses of people predisposed to gambling addiction isn't predatory in nature.
>>340361212
Mein nigger, I settled with the prison skin in the mean time
I'm not. but fags like redditers call it "supporting the dev" with these "harmless" transactions. their cancerous kind embraced pay to obtain. it did so well it's impossible to avoid now.
>>340361032
>You people sicken me
The people who are so desperate to be a special snowflake with their cool new character skin sicken me even more.
The people who are actually so desperate as to spend real money on it are the worst.
Luckily, none of that matters and the game plays EXACTLY THE SAME as it would if the cosmetics didn't even exist
>>340361145
>Why aren't games predatory in general?
Do you buy loot boxes in Steam and then see which game you got? Are really this retarded?
>Is DLC predatory? Because you want it?
It is, but at least it is a straightforward transaction. Let's not forget what started the whole DLC - the fucking horse armor. Since when are you faggots ok with this kind of shit?
>>340357605
I'm pretty happy with some fucking idiot whale funding my future game content desu.
>>340361381
If you saw what the average teammate was like, you'd agree. Almost 7 million idiots sounds feasible.
>>340361654
Humble Bundle monthly is exactly this: you buy the subscription and then see what games you got.
>>340361613
Let me be frank with you:
YOU HAVE A GAMBLING PROBLEM! And your putting yourself in denial due to your love of Blizzard.
>>340361486
>but 7 million people agree with me, they bought the game!
nice backpedalling though
why are people ok with this?
>>340361581
It's absolutely pathetic that people will gleefully hand over extra money for things >>that they didn't used to have to pay for<< to support BLIZZARD. It's like if you had the option of handing extra money to the cocacola corporation, and you did, because you love their product. FUCk all of you.
>>340361336
wtf is a splatoon I said video game
>TF2's aestetic was ruined by all of the cosmetics!
>It started off with a few theme-fitting hats but it's out of control now!
>Overwatch has cosmetics on release
>Blizzard would never ruin their game with cosmetics like valve because blizzard is perfect
My god
>>340361763
>YOU HAVE A GAMBLING PROBLEM!
I haven't spent a dime on it, anon.
>>340361718
So, 7 million idiots are in favor of microtransactions. So what was the point again?
>>340361819
Because Valve and Counter Strike blind fanboys
>>340357605
man has the freedom to be moronic with their money. that's their choice, and as long as people pay, then it's fine. if people don't want to pay, then the market has spoken.
why
are
people
ok
with
this
>>340357605
>its literally okay when tf2 does it.
>>340361613
so because you don't care about it it's okay?
>>340361875
So you're defending a game you haven't even paid for?
Get off this thread, you clearly have no idea what's going on.
>>340361885
They are AIDS that need to be simulatiously headshotted from orbit using that flying ship from Captain America: Winter Soldier
>>340360876
>Focusing Reinhardt like a retard
>Name pops up when you mouse over somebody, Junkrat being one of the easiest to find
Jesus Christ were you dropped on your head as a child.?
>>340361654
Since it's not something that I need to pay for because I have self control?
I'll buy a game that has microtransactions that are purely cosmetic and I won't buy a game whose microtransactions are not. Boycotting bad business models while ignoring irrelevant ones is that simple.
>>340361937
Remember when TF2 doing it eventually caused the game to become fucking ruined.
>>340362071
>If you don't enjoy the game, don't play it
Tell that to the people who did purchase the game and didn't enjoy it, leaving them $40/60 out of pocket.
>>340361741
And the percentage share of Humbly monthly from the global game sales is?
>>340361885
If someone wants to spend $500 on something that won't affect his character's abilities in any way, why not let them?
And, most importantly, if someone does something that idiotic, how does it affect me at all? Oh wait, it doesn't. It doesn't affect me in the slightest.
>>340357605
>cosmetic items that can be unlocked through game trigger people
>>340361873
>cosmetics ruined TF2, not the shitload of unbalanced weapons causing power creep, constant redesigning of core classes, inclusion of shit game modes nobody wanted, the F2P transition and the tidal waves of hackers it unleashed, nope nope nope it was the hats
>>340361819
valve managed to turn its playerbase into gambling addicts, and noone seems to care.
>>340362146
>They don't return their games
>???
>>340362158
Does it matter? It's predatory by your own standard. Shouldn't you be arguing that it be shut down?
>>340362170
Just you wait until Half Life 3: The Pachinko Machine.
>Can earn boxes for free
>Experience caps quickly so you receive boxes at a reliable rate
>Contents are purely cosmetic and don't affect the gameplay in any way
If you're mad about this, you're a spergy autist trying to validate your jealousy and if you feel an obligation to buy them you have a gambling problem. That's literally all there is to it. Save your autism in case Blizzard actually starts using loot boxes for things that are actually useful.
>>340362106
>I'll buy a game that has microtransactions
holy shit kill yourself
>>340358758
Only a problem if you have an incredibly weak will or are just plain retarded. The game doesn't force or even encourage you to buy boxes; the option is muted and shuffled to a corner instead of plastered everywhere.
Game doesn't even present a heavy drought of loot crates early on; at level25 the exp requirement goes static and every 3-4 games gets you a crate from that point on. You'd have to be supremely impatient to buy boxes.
>>340362071
>cashing in on idiots doesn't hurt anyone
>game development eventually becomes 100% about cashing in on idiots because they're the only source of revenue
Literally who cares. You get the crates free in game and it's just stupid cosmetic shit anyway. I've never payed for a single crate and I got 4 legendaries out of packs. Currently about level 28/29.
Why are you so mad that the game provides the option to buy the cosmetics with real money? In street fighter 4 there was no way to get cosmetics without paying real money. Surely this model is preferable to you.
And again, it's just some dumb cosmetic shit - who even cares. I don't even bother to equip most of the stuff I get out of crates.
>>340362165
>TF2's AESTHETIC was ruined by all of the cosmetics
>>340361819
oh tthe rusty knife looks cool
>but it's just cosmetics
Abusing retards for their money is wrong
Retards should be protected from their own retardation, not exploited for cash
>>340361996
I thought you were referring to the microtransactions. You know, the thing this entire thread is about.
So what's your point here? Are you insinuating I bought overwatch for the cosmetic gambling?
>>340357605
I'm going to wonder what they'll sell on the shop next. Probably weapon skins.
>>340362318
Good thing there were several betas with that last long ass one for people to actually try it before they blew money on it
>>340362318
nigga I refunded diablo 3
>>340361819
I really don't get the point of knives.
>Lets take the most situational weapon that literally gets you laughed at half the time you pull it out to actually fight
>And give them flashy skins where a majority of them, even for the ones like utter shit, are >$50 on the market
>And to do this lets make these incredibly awful weapons with meme skins be the rarest thing in the game
>Unless little Timmy gets his moms purse for us
>>340357605
>Wah I can't play virtual barbie doll because I have to play the game while other people can play virtual barbie doll by spending money
Disgust
>>340362210
(((Blizzard)))
>>340357605
I kinda like being a special snow flake but damn I can't justify buying shit for overwatch it'll all drop and you'll get coins to buy shit. I'm kind of tempted to get dva or Winston's 1000 coin skin that's about it tho
>>340357605
They're underage or shitters
>>340362370
But only when it's convenient for me and makes me feel good, in any other occasion darwinism is the shit
>>340362370
They're not actually retards, anon. They're regular people who have self control but just don't exercise it.
>>340362106
>Since it's not something that I need to pay for because I have self control?
>Blizzard is not dumb and is constantly putting players under pressure to buy skins
>But it's fine because I love being constantly under psychological pressure
>>340361875
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>>340361875
Classic /v/
>>340362278
>Implying this hasn't been the case for years
Valve outright stopped making games because of this.
>>340361909
The "market" is not, ultimately, the indisputable compass of a social body. Or else we would have free drug and companies would be allowed to pollute as much as they want as long as they make money out of it.
Identifying invisible, hidden costs and making sure they are accounted for and as much as possible regulated is one of the reasons why we have government bodies.
Now, maybe the situation at hand doesn't need that, but that won't be because "as long as people pay, then it's fine".
Hell, in case you hadn't noticed "voting with your wallet" is an asymmetric process and making it the scale by which you evaluate everything will lead you to a plutocratic society at best. Which I can't see as anything desirable myself.
>>340362370
>but it's just cosmetics
the future of games is looking bright every year
>it's just cosmetics
>it's just weapons
>it's just secret levels
>it's just small parts of the game
>>340358289
>normalfags
DoAX3 says hi
It's waifushitters and grindfags who love this shit.
>>340362616
>People won't call out and bombard companies that try to get quick cash at the expense of unbalancing the game
>>340362146
That's what the free week of gameplay was for.
>waaaaaaah I'm so mad that I bought this game that I hate even though Blizzard actually did me the courtesy of letting me play their FULL GAME for fucking FREE for a week (even longer if you got a beta key).
Yeah, nah, cry more. Can't say I feel sorry for you at all.
>>340362213
Oh, it's the "I have no arguments so I'll keep derailing" episode. Blizzdrones in denial are so cute.
>>340362520
If you lived across from a pizza shop with a sign that read "Buy Now!" in the window, would you accuse them of putting you under constant psychological pressure?
>>340357605
I think people my age spend 100$s of dollars on weed and drinking,condoms every week yet were arguing and bothered by digital loot crates and spending money on it.
But then again this is the reason why we play video games amiright anon?
>>340362718
No, that's precisely what you're doing.
You've defined it as predatory by your own standard. Are you not going to label it as such instead of dismissing it by cost?
Why does /v/ get to decide what is and isn't okay for people to spend their money on?
>>340357605
its the slow decline and monetization of the medium.
before we know it you will need to buy a dlc to be able to walk right in a game,and there will be "video games journalism" sites defending it and calling anyone who opposes it entitled and crybaby.
>>340362419
This times a billion.
>>340362682
yup
>>340362718
>Blizzdrones
Alright I'm no gigantic fan of Blizzard but this word makes me mad. Half the time someone says anything remotely good about Blizzard it gets thrown out, sometimes as the only argument being the equivalent of 'Lol ur a Blizzdrone'.
What's better is that he's trying to argue but you're the one sidestepping it to call him a drone.
>>340358995
>>340359025
>>340358912
Someone who rarely plays Valve games except every few months. I had a csgo key in my inventory and I never ever buy keys. Was there ever a rare chance for keys to drop?
>>340358395
Out of principle mostly. People think that when a company offers micro transactions, the said company may tip the balance so that players are more seduced into buying the game. >>340358736
Not really micro transactions but since blizz sells boxes, you buy the right to gamble. making it worse for the consumer.
>>340358873
Gamble shop
>>340359101
Exactly. There are those who have more money than time. Besides, having a legend skin at an early level makes you look fake.
>>340359213
Its weird. The loot boxes are literal skinner box. They get you addicted and excited. If they didnt have it in the first place there is no need for microtransactions. If it can be proven that there are more players because of this, and thus giving me a better experience then I can say it as worth it.
>>340359298
Well Level doesnt mean anything in OW unlike in WOW which blocks progress.
>>340359538
>>340359961
You get 5 creds from a spray that costs 25 creds
>>340360238
To be serious. there are casual players that would pay. I defend the right but never will i buy until I am too busy,
>>340360571
No proof. especially since Titans is an MMO.
>>340361380
Simplistic argument.
>>340361581
K
>>340362737
Business need to stop abusing and raping people into buying items they want. So sick of this rape culture we live in.
>>340362616
Isn't overwatch compared to 80% 95% of the video game market have a better practice for a microtransaction system or DLC's in comparison?
It's just a random box ffs and a one time buy.
>>340362616
It's not a slippery slope if you can draw a line. The minute something gives you an advantage or access to other areas or heroes is the minute it's not something I'm going to reward by buying either the loot boxes themselves or the base game.
>>340362275
>retarded idiots buy tons of lootboxes and look cool
>I grind for hundreds and hundreds of hours and still look like a homeless nigger
>I'm fine with that
>>340362226
even that would hurt less than mgs3 pachinko edition.
What's the point of even getting the skins? There are millions of people playing the game ... it's not like any of the skins are actually unique and different. While grinding out boxes you can probably see the same rare skins dozens of times over.
Is it just so that you can look at the character doing absolutely nothing in a selection screen?
>>340362616
>it's just cosmetics
fine
>it's just weapons
>it's just secret levels
>it's just small parts of the game
not fine
>>340362894
autism the post
>>340362161
>how does it affect me at all? Oh wait, it doesn't. It doesn't affect me in the slightest.
If people didn't buy stuff like this, we would all still be getting it for free. It does affect everyone when people are willing to pay excessive prices for minor content. The first post in the thread >>340358289 is actually the best answer. We have cosmetic DLC because people seem to have forgotten we use to be able to unlock cosmetic items in game. Consoles have paid online now because people don't understand they could get it for free if they simply never started paying for it. Other people's low standards hurt everyone.
>>340362940
>I worry about looking cool in a video game
That sick skin won't make you look good in a killcam, anon.
>>340362737
Oh, a food analogy.
>>340362852
you know, companies and journalists haven't been calling people entitled anymore. now it's "support us more or we'll die" sort of stuff
>>340362894
>Simplistic argument.
a simple argument is still an argument. "Simplistic argument" isn't an argument, it's a fallacy
>mfw I've bought the 11, and 2 24 loot crates packs
I got everything I needed, but damn do I feel silly.
>>340363054
Quite right. Now quit dodging the question and tell me what your reaction would be.
>>340362891
He isn't arguing. He is deflecting with a good old Whataboutism.
>>340361206
700 vs 7 million? YOU WIN!
>>340362894
Early on after the first few announcementtheres was an interview where Blizz literally said Overwatch was using what they had meant to use for Titan.
>>340363042
>we use to be able to unlock cosmetic items in game
Which you still can in this case.
>>340363108
Hell, if you got everything you wanted, it's money well spent, right?
>Play the game
>Enjoy it
>Because, that's why you bought the game, right?
>Get some loot boxes with cool stuff
>Buy two legendaries with money I opened
>Everything is fine
You find out pretty quickly that if you play the game instead of shitposting, none of this is a issue. Let the normies buy that shit to fund the free maps and heros, hell if I care.
>>340363135
Sorry, we are discussing Overwatch microtransactions here, not everything else on Earth.
>>340363042
>we would all still be getting it for free.
There's nothing to base that on. Even if they didn't let you buy boxes, they could still have chosen to reward the boxes every level and have that be the only way to obtain new shit.
>>340363042
You are still getting it for free you supreme faggot.
And if people didn't buy this shit blizzard wouldn't waste their resources making so much of it.
>>340363050
If looking cool is so unimportant the why it is in game in the first place, and as a microtransaction to top it off?
>Just got Djinnyatta on a levelup crate
It was all I wanted. Everything else is a bonus now
I laugh at all you chumps that spent money on crates
>>340363252
>still deflecting
Should I apply more psychological pressure to get you to answer?
>>340362370
Shame on them nigger
>>340361996
I got it for free from the Taco Bell giveaway.
When do the voice lines play?
>>340363441
press c
>>340363136
>Says that your argument is based entirely on your own standards, not proper fact
>'Ah, the usual Blizzdrone'.
>>340363304
Except that you wouldn't need to grind thousands of hours to get those unlocks.
>>340363376
Because some people want to, so they have the option.
An option need not be taken.
If you disapprove of the model then don't buy the boxes or the game.
>>340362938
>>340362991
>but the weapons are underpowered, you shouldn't use them anyways
>secret levels were made for the "true" supporters of the game. they wouldn't be there if it wasn't for us
you know people would defend it
>>340363382
You should have drawn a comparison to the Todd threads, asking if those made him feel pressured to buy Fallout 4 instead of resorting to a food anology
>>340362759
Sex is social and condoms are safe
Weed and drinking are social and can be used for medicinal purposes in small doses
Crates gives your Tracer some random voice clip you'll never listen to
All of these things can be taken overboard and become dangerous, but loot crates has zero positive impact on one's life.
>want to buy a skin
>cant because I can only buy lottery tickets and pray
>>340357605
because free dlc
>>340357605
HOLY SHIT A COMPANY WANTS TO MAKE MONEY JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
>>340363578
Eventually enough lottery tickets might amount to enough fake money to buy it.
>people angry at horse armor even though its purely cosmetic
>now people defend any microtransaction thats purely cosmetic
What happened?
>>340363525
If it has an effect on gameplay, then it shouldn't be defended. If it doesn't then it doesn't need to be either defended or supported, it's simply an option.
>>340363706
Maybe because WoW has a mandatory monthly fee.
>>340363706
The house always wins
>>340363519
>Because some people want to, so they have the option.
It doesn't have to be a microtransaction.
>If you disapprove of the model then don't buy the boxes or the game.
Why should I put up with having it in the game? It fucking does affect me if it's in the game.
>>340363517
No, you missed the point of the post. In all of the betas, they had the current "give box on levelup" scheme. It was only on launch that they added the cash shop.
Why do you think that, if they hadn't added the cash shop, they would have just given it all away to everyone right at the start of the game? Games rarely do that anon. They love putting shit like that behind some kind of progression. Even if the cash shop didn't exist, they would most likely still have made us grind for it.
Saying we could have got it for free without having to grind if the cash shop didn't exist is a completely baseless assumption to make.
>>340363706
We now live in Bizarro world.
>>340363836
WoW doesn't cost anything to play
>>340358331
Retard
>>340363376
It's a micro transaction BECASE it's unimportant. Blizzard knows that they can take it out of the game and people won't throw a large scale chimp out.
It's in the game for 2 reasons:
1. Modern gamers can't play games unless they have some kind of progression system with unlockables
2. They know that there are retarded special snowflakes who love to play dress up in multiplayer games and there is already a standard for those dress up costumes to be DLC.
>>340363862
SO DON'T BUY IT HOLY FUCK
>>340363525
I know people would defend it, people will defend anything. People on this site defend Hitler.
Defending something doesn't inherently put the defender in the right
>>340363706
Israel happened, israel and those fucking jews trying to force their sjw bullshit down our troaths
>>340363519
>If you disapprove of the model then don't buy the boxes or the game.
Doesn't matter that you do as voting with your wallet is an asymmetrical process. It doesn't matter how many people refuse to pay as long as enough people do so to make the endeavor commercially viable.
Add to that that the point of contention happens to be that the very process of eliciting payment in our situation is predatory in nature and specifically tailored to make people with certain psychological profiles pay in spite of themselves, and I think you can see why your proposition is woefully insufficient to address the situation.
>>340361919
Wow, never knew that Rocket League had such sexy environmental design.
>>340363235
>>340363310
There is a low probability of getting things you want for free or even paying a small amount. Even the pallet swaps take a sever hours of grinding to buy. In older games, you would typically have a defined unlock criteria. Even games with random drops you at least know what enemy you should be grinding to get a low rate drop.
>>340363304
The would likely not design it in a way where most people will never unlock anywhere near everything. It would be pointless. The only reason to do it like this other than money is to satisfy people who enjoy having rare things just because they are rare.
This is actually a completely separate problem. The default skins in Overwatch are almost all better than the unlocks. After a few weeks, we will likely never see them again because everyone will want to use their rare drops.
>>340363905
Wow costs money unless you play market jew for hours a day or you've already been established for years.
