Monumentally massive task
who cares
Waiting until my Japanese is good enough.
>>340336694
Fuck atlus usa
>if English = true, play English dub
>if English = false, play Japanese dub
HOLY SHIT, SO FUCKING HARD!
I don't understand how a Tales game got dual audio but Persona can't manage it.
>>340336694
>Monumentally massive task when the JP audio is already done for you and the whole game has subtitles even with the english audio
>>340337901
Atlus is the only one left.
Even SE and Namco Bandai are doing it now.
Superior
>>340338012
Atlus and Nintendo
>>340336694
I assume the massive task is just licensing issues. That's really the only thing it could possibly be.
>ITT: underage thinking you don't have to pay jap VAs extra money for this shit
Jap VAs are like celebs in America fyi.
>>340337908
>Monumentally massive task when the JP audio is already done for you and the whole game has subtitles even with the english audio
They are just lazy as fuck.
>>340338427
They've gone JP-onry for FF and TMS though
>>340338447
>Massive task is just licensing issues
Aka, being lazy and cheap pieces of shit.
>>340338426
>Superior
And censored.
>>340338427
Xenoblade and FE.
and Bayo 2
and W101.
A lot of second/third party Nintendo titles are dual audio actually.
>>340338643
licensing, money, and the general fact that jappos treat VAs like god, none of that is easy work. Quit being stupid.
>>340338541
Then fucking pay the extra money man.
It's fucking Persona. It's the most anticipated JRPG coming out relatively soon alongside XV. It's huge.
>>340338796
Hi John
>>340338541
So smaller company are able to afford dual audio while Atlus can't even when being backed up by Sega? Atlus are just lazy faggots.
>>340336694
Yep. So monumentally massive that no one in the industry can manage this task.
....except for pretty much every other game studio that currently localizes games, even the smaller ones.
But, yep! Monumental task, for sure!
>>340338643
It could be. They have a top tier voice cast. Nana Mizuki is Anne's VA. She's kind of a big deal.
>>340338862
Maybe because smaller companies also deal with smaller, less popular, VAs that'll agree to an international deal since they want work while the known VAs know how to get more money and deny it until it's brought up? Are you really this fucking stupid or something.
>>340338674
>anti-censorship fag
*tips*
>>340337821
*==
Go to bed anon
>>340338674
so is P5 you cuck bitch
Could very well be a licensing issue and trying to get everyone on board may take a lot of time and money.
But apparently everyone here knows everything about how the video game industry works, so what do I know?
>>340339118
I highly doubt P5 will have massive story changes or the jap VAs rerecord lines just to fit a changed script.
If there was dual audio, that is.
So why isn't there massive licensing issues when animu is brought over to the west for an even smaller market? There are very rarely any releases with english dub only. The only one I can think of is one of the macross or gundam releases.
>>340338541
Voice actors in Japan get paid shit unless you are in the top 20 most popular or something. The suits in the industry are also trying to make the occupation pay even less by making it more idol like, they bring in young girls who can sing decently, push them into every fucking show and then drop them after a few years when they are "old" and demand a bigger paycheck, then just repeat the cycle.
>>340339462
and P5 has some very popular VAs, even by jap standards so yeah.
>>340339404
The cover just got censored boy. Censorship no buy remember?
>>340339118
I thought we already established that the "censoring" was just moving Morgana up a bit so her face isn't blocked out by the ESRB.
>>340339618
It's not censorship cause it's a Sony exclusive game! It can only be considered censored when it happens to Nintendo!!!
>>340339545
>Nana Mizuki
Anyone who hires her nowadays is a real mad man, sure she can sing pretty well, but she is probably damn expensive and your show better sell well.
How can you Personafags defend this? EVEN FUCKING NEPTUNIA has dual audio.
>>340338980
>Maybe because smaller companies also deal with smaller, less popular, VAs
You already know that's not true at all you big fag.
>>340339769
>Burch is going to taint best girl Nana
>>340339918
except it is boyo
>>340339972
Prove it.
>>340339703
I'm forcing myself to believe that the fact that it happens to cover Ana's bosom is a mere coincidence.
It's no big deal, but it kinda amazes me to see they're going so far as to alter the original artwork to fit their silly logo
>>340337821
>Assigning the right most value to English like a dummy
>>340336694
I'm beginning to worry about what they'll do to KoF
>>340339769
It's fucking Persona dude.
What, you think it's gonna flop or something?
>>340336694
Think about the file size. Dialogue audio in a game like this usually represents multiple GB of data, what sort of size restrictions are placed on DLCs?
>>340336694
5 MONTHS
152 DAYS
3,648 HOURS
218,880 MINUTES
13,132,800 SECONDS
>>340340385
It's releasing 15 days before FFXV and the North American version is releasing so long after release that no one but hardcore fans will care.
>>340340178
Boxart is a marketing playground full of strewn about art assets that somebody whipped up. It's really not as sacred as you think.
>>340337458
I've been practicing every day since Xenoblade X.
Just fuck it. I'll never depend on localizations again.
>>340336694
Doesn't matter.
Ps3 version confirmed so i can undub it myself.
Get fucked cucks
>>340336694
i'll kms if no nip audio
FF15 got japanese voices even if it already have a godly dubs.
>anime SJWs starting another Gamergate over localizations
>>340340385
For fuck sake persona is NOT a big franchise and barely sells a million copies.
It'll do fine in sales but stop acting like it's some shit that's big as KH or something
>>340340683
Persona 4 golden sold 1.3mil on the Vita.
1.3 million
on the fucking vita
>>340336694
They should use some of that Atlus tax money to pay the licensing fees.
>>340340952
Did it sell better than Japan?
>>340340952
It was also the only game on the Vita.
>>340336694
FUCK YOU ATLUS.
FUCK YOU
>>340341035
Yeah it sold more in NA than either Europe or Japan.
Who cares, you dont speak japanese and havn't you played enough of these low budget anime game's with shit gameplay?
God, you people make me sick. I'm literally ill right now
>>340340952
Yeah, after 2 fucking anime advertisements in a space of 2 years and on a console starved for games.
It's like being suprised splatoon sold more than bloodborne considering wii u barely has shit .
PS4 has so many dudebro fags i don't expect the same numbers.
>>340341195
The PS4 install base is also more than 3 times the Vitas.
P5 will sell 2mil at least.
>>340341184
Don't you have an Overwatch threads to make?
Fuck off dumbass.
>>340339972
Stranger of Sword City, Dragon 2077 both coming to the west, both with full japanese dubs, both have shit like fucking Wakamoto in their games.
Nice try.
>>340341145
Beautiful, now it makes sense as to why the game is coming out 5 months later in NA.
Atlus is fucking inept.
>>340338835
They know the money they make from the game in the West won't cover it. Just because it's anticipated on /v/ doesn't mean it's not niche.
>>340339115
>he's forced to use == for comparisons because he uses = for definitions instead of :=
embarrassing.
>>340337908
They have to negotiate with the VA's group in Japan for the rights. It's actually expensive in some cases depending on who the VAs are.
>>340338541
Objectively wrong, Even the highest paid VA in Japan make about 1/10th of what the lowest paid celebrity that is popular enough to be recognizable in America makes. The highest paid VA+idol+everything JP girl makes around 5 million USD a year for quite literally working around clock, her days are booked and she almost never gets a vacation even because autistic japs want to see her in a dozen different places every single day. I don't see how they can put forth that much effort for that little reward other than simply enjoying their job and not caring about the money. If they were paid on the same effort:pay ratio that US actors are paid on, Nana Mizuki and a few other girls would be actual self-made billionaires and would be on the forbes top 100 richest people in the world list.
>>340336694
If people want Japanese they'll import, no problem here.
>expecting good localizations after that fucking clusterfuck of poor quality translations and retarded meme references and blatant censoring and removal of huge chunks of content
>>340341876
>no problem here
Neck yourself.
>>340341431
Yeah an install base where 2/3 are fags who play fifa, GTA and ass creed.
Seriously look at all the top selling PS4 games and you'll barely see any jap shit.
But yeah believe what you want, i expect it to sell a mill at most.
>>340336694
Atlus usa = fucking trash
>Nana Mizuki
>Sugita
>Jun Fukuyama
>Aoi Yuuki
>Rina Sato
I can see why Atlus would think it'd be cheaper to be dub only
>>340340631
I don't think you know what gamergate even is, what the fuck are you talking about? You can't just say a random assortment of words and hope they work together.
>>340341776
Yeah nice meme but how does this explain smaller company giving us dual audio all the time like Danganronpa which also had a godlike seiyuu cast?
Stop defending Atlus lazy asses.
>haha what? you expected us to be doing a good job for which we are paid? haha go learn japanese you fucks! enjoy your censorship you fags!
>>340341967
>and you'll barely see any jap shit.
That's because the jap shit isn't out yet.
When dual audio isn't or is confirmed will the threads be less cancerous?
How were they back when P4 was soon to be releasing?
>>340342087
Their job is to translate though
>>340341491
Not to mention games like 7th Dragon which has all the P5 actors and more and is published by Sega, who own Atlus
>>340337821
>>340339115
>comparing a Boolean value to True in the first place
If you ever write "== True" you're doing it wrong.
>>340342087
"Back in my day, people spent thousands of hours learning a difficult language for the sole purpose of playing anime games several years later." What a fucking faggot, I'm a fifth year seeking to use it for translation and there isn't a single person I've met who wasn't Rain Man-tier that could possibly do such a thing. The average person will of course become fluent enough to move through average simple VNs a couple years later with diligent study, but more complex texts will require a much, MUCH longer period of study to comprehend.
The last thing most people want to do after studying their ass off is waste it on stupid fucking games.
>>340342617
You're complaining about an assclown who proclaims Call of Duty games to be his game of the year.
>>340342087
And then everyone tore him a new asshole.
>>340342463
No one cared because the PS2 had undubs anyway, and P4 didn't get such a crazy good cast.
I don't care about a lack of dual audio, P3 and 4 had Cathrine had great dubs so it almost certainly won't be a problem. Except the fucking honourifics.
HOWEVER.
FIVE FUCKING MONTHS? ARE YOU FUCKING WITH ME, ATLUS? YOU'VE HAD YEARS OF DELAYS AND YOU'RE ONLY JUST STARTING THE FUCKING TRANSLATING NOW? FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU IN YOUR NIGGER ASS. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO AVOID THE ENTIRE FUCKING INTERNET FOR FIVE NIGGERING MONTHS. FIVE. MONTHS. FUUUUUUUCK
>>340342548
This.
Booleans should already be true or false.
It's more like if statement is what it is, then do it, else, do that.
Like if (!weekend) goto work or school or somethingrather.
>>340342087
Atlus USA's main Job is to localise jap games in to english so their English speaking fans can play it in a language they can understand in.
Everything else is secondary.
>>340342617
Do VNs and JRPGs even use complicated Japanese?
I'm sure they're not all riddled with kanji as the Japanese themselves aren't fans of kanji either.
![[WHW]_Tantei_Opera_Milky_Holmes_01_[BD.H264.AAC][F1DA1637][v3].mkv_snapshot_05.17_[2015.10.27_12.25.51].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7wkzspP.jpg "[WHW]_Tantei_Opera_Milky_Holmes_01_[BD.H264.AAC][F1DA1637][v3].mkv_snapshot_05.17_[2015.10.27_12.25.51].jpg")
I don't care how much effort they are putting into their shitty english voice actors, fuck off with that shit and just give us the japs.
GG Rev just did it and Arc is a dead niche fighting game company why the fuck can't you?
>>340342889
This.
I was expecting a reasonable 2-3 months in the vicinity of 2016, but NOW I HAVE TO WAIT TILL 20 FUCKING 17. 152 DAYS I HAVE TO STICK BACK WITH A COCK IN MY ASS. YOU PIECES OF SHIT JUST NOT GIVE A SHIT BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE GAME WILL SELL BETTER THAN MOST OF YOUR OTHER SHITTY GAMES. FUCK YOU, AND FUCK ME FOR CARING THIS MUCH.
>>340343145
They can do that with subtitles and English menus.
>>340343350
Even Persona Arena did it
It's clearly not because they can't
>>340343350
Because they would rather pocket the money instead of using it to license the japanese audio. I'm surprised the game doesn't have an Atlus tax.
>>340340952
>implying the Vita wasn't literally a P4G machine
>>340343291
They aren't, but once in a while you see some real strange terms needing special knowledge to fully get. They often have the simplified reading over them though, but not always.
Also chuuni gameslike SMTlike to throw some incredibly obscure kanjis to looks edgy sometimes
>>340343446
Most people consider that to be lazy and cheap though.
>Monumental task.
Forgive my ignorance, but I don't really see how. Please enlighten me. I'm not trying to be smug or a dick.
>>340344075
Preferable to butchery.
I would have preferred it if the Silent Hill HD collection had just been a lazy upscale instead of what we actually got.
>>340342617
My friend who became fluent was only able to do so after he got a grant and went to japan for college for 5 years, the first year focusing solely on language. He already studied japanese for at least 3 years prior during high school.
Turns out, he actually hates japan. After graduating he ended up working in Singapore instead since he said he couldn't stand japanese corporate culture.
>>340344241
Money, they are too cheap to pour a little more money into a game that's guaranteed to be a commercial success.
>>340338717
Xenoblade X and FE Fates are not dual audio
Xenoblade Wii and FE Awakening are dual audio
I have no idea what the hell happened these few years.
>mfw no dual audio
it's over...
>>340344241
Rerecording and mixing hours of dialog is a pain.
>>340344510
If they were being cheap they would stick with subs.
>>340344619
>No dual audio
>Five month delay
>Sure to be spoiled
My desire evaporated all at once in a single go.
PS3 undub's still a thing guys.
>>340337821
cringe
When every game company offers this sort of explanation maybe you should consider that it, for some reason you do not understand, may actually be difficult to achieve in this case?
>>340344649
But it's already recorded and mixed...
I think the issue, which is explained terribly on twitter of all fucking places, is not that you cannot have a simple option for both languages, but the effort of making all the audio (face it its a Persona game, its gonna be ALOT of audio) fit on a disk.
This isnt the PS era where you need to swap out 6 disks, I dont think most lazy fuckwit consumers have the capacity to do that.
>>340344779
Who else is ready to be spoiled, since it's going to be fucking impossible for me personally to avoid the net for 5 months.
>>340344984
FFXV has 4 fucking languages.
>>340336694
>We're throwing everything into English dub
Why does Atlus do this EVERY time? What the fuck is their deal with the insistence that they cannot include the original Japanese audio because they put all their effort into their English dubs? Even though they clearly don't considering they couldn't even get all of the cast back for Persona 4 DAN.
I just don't get it because it's the defense they used when asked about this EVERY TIME, and it's clearly false so it can't be the real reason.
If it were too expensive, why couldn't they just say they don't want to pay money to the Japs to use their VOs? I'm just so damn confused.
>>340344906
>every game company
?
At least the PS4 isn't region locked like the fuckin' Wii U.
Ready to play the Jap version on September 15. Hopefully shipping doesn't take more then a week.
>>340345110
I could have avoided spoilers for a month or two like expected. But almost half a year is impossible, man.
>>340344906
>every game company
Name a SINGLE company besides Atlus that has used this explanation.
>>340344906
Come on, you can figure this out on your own sweety :)
>>340336694
Honestly, even the POSSIBILITY of Atlus releasing a game with japanese voices, even if paid DLC, makes me happy.
Waiting for the asian version with english text and japanese voices. Fuck atlus USA they can suck my dick.
>>340344984
We're at the age of blu-ray discs you dumb fuck, there is no such thing as multi disc rpg's anymore.
>>340336694
Now im known amongst my friends for being a fucking moron, but wouldnt it take no effort to get the japanese dub? I mean its already made right? it releases first in japan, so it should be done yeah?
>>340337821
1. dual audio requires large amount of space which is important on console
2. it costs money to use jap audio
>>340345150
Oops! Meant for you >>340345234
Who cares, english is the magnum opus of all languages anyway.
>>340336694
Reminder to not give money to these kikes at Atlus.
Reminder tha if you do you are part of the problem.
>>340344984
I very much highly doubt Persona 5 will take up more than 50gbs
>>340344984
>fit on a disk
That's why you put it up as dlc like lightning returns, danganronpa ae, and rebirth 3. Plus it's a blu ray and even final fantasy xv is offering dual audio.
>>340345276
>asian version with english text and japanese voices
Does this usually happen with Atlus games?
>>340345274
John Hardin only said that so people stop asking him about dual audio.
>>340340178
The PR guy has made multiple tweets for damage control, it probably is just a mistake. Like, they didn't realize that it covers her breasts. They likely didn't expect people to start sperging out about it, and probably nobody would have if it wasn't for what happened to TMS.
>>340345276
yeah the duwang-tier translations are pretty funny
>>340345153
buy it digital, desu
>>340345353
Give me 5 examples of companies saying this in the last few years
>>340339409
Contracts for anime are completely different than for games. Plus anime has had sub tracks even before it began being dubbed.
What's strange is that Atlus refuses to do it for certain games, when it's pretty common for jRPGs in particular. Even Square is doing it nowadays and many of their games are pretty far removed from being "weeabtrash."
>>340345360
The American box art looks better, I'm impressed.
>>340345536
Dunno what games you've been playing, but I got Gundam Breaker 3 a couple weeks ago and the English translation is actually really good. Had fewer typos than the last game BioWare put out
>>340345653
why me? the burden of proof is on you, contrarian.
>>340345360
Let's be honest, they probably just moved the cat's head up so that it isn't covered by the ratings box.
>>340345653
Not him, but the last one I remember was cold steel, but xseed was upfront about that and didn't spew this pr bullshit that it may or may not include dual audio. Fuck AtlusUSA.
>>340345809
You made the claim that every game company says it mate
>>340345153
Don't remind me about Nintendo's region locks.
>uncensored Asian version of Bravely Default releases with full English subtitles
>have to buy a Japanese 3DS to play it
I'll happily import Persona if the Asian version has English text. When things seem bad, just be glad you're not a Nintendrone like me.
>>340345910
Alright, if you have zero reading comprehension I'd understand why this may be difficult.
>>340337458
>>340340489
Get the genki textbook you scrubs
>>340346000
Jesus, you're a stupid little shit. You're the one that made the claim so it's up to you to provide evidence, so either answer his question or kill yourself.
>>340345749
i remember sao and moe chronicles having a bizarre translation that was probably done by a non-native english speaker
>>340346000
Oh okay you're just shitposting, carry on then
>>340338961
What a typical nerdy fucking response
>>340338541
How is this suddenly now an issue when we've been getting games with Jap dubs almost as soon as we got voice acting in video games? Hell I highly doubt it'd cost more to just release the game with only the Jap dub than to create a whole new English dub.
>>340341776
It's a lie. It's a lie. It's a lie. It's a lie.
Every other weeb publisher has already switched to moonspeak-only or dual-audio.
Fatlus will not allow moon audio because it means they can't spend money on themselves -- their nonunion VA cronies, the sound engineer they hire to work with the recordings, the translator who doctors the script to appeal better to westerners. All these are hundreds of hours of labor that Atlus USA can ask Atlus Co Ltd to provide budget for.
If Atlus USA spends $1,000,000 on publishing Persona 5 under normal circumstances; and by licensing the Japanese voices only spend $950,000, then Atlus Co Ltd will never give them $1,000,000 again to spend on another project.
So Atlus USA has to spend as much budget as they ask for. All the while using dirty tricks like that fucking rigged poll to sell Atlus Co Ltd on the fiction that the majority of people buying want to hear English and not Japanese.
You see, Atlus USA knows that the opposite is the case. Sales might even increase if they had dual-audio. But this would send a message to Atlus Co Ltd that Atlus USA was wrong, and that extra $50,000 was never needed to begin with.
This is all about dirty budget jew tricks. There is absolutely 0% chance that every fucking Megaten and Persona game Atlus USA has worked on is more cost-efficient to use dubs (even nonunion VAs).
There are of course ways to go around this. You can attack the range-less VAs by documenting their nonunion work and snitching on them to SAG-AFTRA. They won't actually get fined, but they'll know that people are pissed at them.
You can also go around Atlus USA's back and get Atlus Co Ltd's attention by making fanart and other stuff on social media ASKING (not demanding) them at head office to allow you to play the games you like in Japanese rather than a substandard English dub. This is the most effective way to get through to the nips, since demands and petitions will more often than not insult them.
>>340343291
>I'm a fifth year seeking to use it for translation and there isn't a single person I've met who wasn't Rain Man-tier that could possibly do such a thing
I think you're just garbage at foreign languages. Given, translation is an acquired skill because a good translator needs to be proficient in both the original and the target language, as well as familiar with prose of the target language. It's a fair bit harder than reading but that doesn't mean that people need to study for a decade to be able to read a complex work. If you don't let the skill rust it's not hard to hone.
>>340343291
Not really, no. RPGs can use odd kanji sometimes (for enemy, ability, or item names as well as terminology) but being something dialogue-heavy they're rarely high fiction. VNs are about the same but there are many of those that are likely to be rife with technical jargon or just have more advanced prose, such as the works of Romeo, or everyone's two favorites Dies Irae and Muramasa.
>>340345986
My friend, I was in your situation too and then I learned the magic of Homebrew. Go find some updated guides online and hack your 3DS to play glorious games in Jap, Asia + english or UNDUB.
>>340345848
but they have no problem blocking his head in the jp cover? are you stupid?
>>340346351
It isn't covered as much and Atlus and Atlus USA obviously have different marketing teams. The ESRB logo is bigger than CERO's.
>>340346449
Stop fooling yourself. NA/EU covers have done this all the time when it comes to cleavage.
>>340343291
Yes and no. It's entertainment meant for teenagers, but there are bound to be lexical and grammatical information that are unfamiliar to anyone learning in a formal setting.
>>340346271
How does having dual audio cost less than having English audio only?
>>340345848
BUT MUH ANIME BOOBS
MUH WAIFU
MUH BOOOOOOOOBS UHUHHUHEHEHEHEU
>>340346757
It doesn't, but it satisfies everyone. Atlus USA can afford it even though they lie with every breath.
They make the claim they cannot afford the Japanese performances for these games, as though it were part of Kuraitirion Korekkushon folded over 10,000 times.
>>340346054
>we're no slouches when it comes to dubs
>JYB literally talking to himself in Arena
>ever hiring Ashley Burch for anything
>both versions of Chie
>Teddie (granted the JP VA is also shit)
>Fuuka
>keeping fucking honorifics in an English dub
>>340347095
Actually they don't make that claim, because they know people would figure out it is bullshit.
They have never actually provided any reasoning for why their games are English only.
If you want to play a Japanese game in Japanese, why don't you learn Japanese you stupid weebs
>>340347114
I would like to mention that JYB and JYB actually worked fine in Arena because he separated the voices enough
The rest is legit though
English Labrys 2cute mind you
Of all the shit yakuza did wrong over the years, they sure as fuck got this one right. Thank god. I think yakuza is the only series i can think of straight away that moved away from english casting completely and just focused on the jap.
I'd rather take no voices over dubbed voices.
>>340347178
They've made that claim several times. It's too expensive, too complicated; but they are the only weeb publisher still releasing games in English-only.
If you call out the PR shill with logical reasoning like "why is other publishers like Aksys/Koei can afford dual audio and you can't", he will ignore you.
>>340347301
Because Japanese is fucking hard.
Fuck the Chinese and their stupid ass writing system, and fuck Japan for adopting it.
>>340347520
Can't you usually set the voice volume to 0? Pretty basic feature.
>>340347553
Complicated, yes, but I've never heard them say it was too expensive.
They've always been incredibly vague and there's that one Hardin post where he dodges the question by trying to shame the questioner into loving English dubs.
>>340347628
Japanese is REALLY easy compared to a lot of languages, especially those fucking messed up Northern and Eastern European ones, and it even sounds rather nice spoken properly.
>>340347686
>but I've never heard them say it was too expensive.
They surely have. Money is what business is all about. I cannot fathom a reason they, of all the studios that have moved on from dubcancer, THEY are so incapable of securing these recordings.
Even if they implicitly approved of undubs and made it easy to switch the files on purpose, I could sort of get on board with that.
Instead, they lie with every fucking breath.
Recall that poll. That goddamn poll only open for a few hours, during the night, which asked people to vote between worthless special-edition toys or dual audio. That's the kind of shit that tells me things are not adding up at Atlus USA.
>>340347628
it just seems difficult at first since there's no latin roots in it like english
perservere and most importantly
あきらめかけているあなた!!!!!
Why did pic related get full dual audio despite being published by Atlas USA also?
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case that Atlus Japan just doesn't code their games to support dual audio, so adding it later would be too much work.
>>340349106
ArcSys demand dual audio. Ergo, it CANNOT be that hard.
>>340349106
Fatlus let Aksys work on it.
Aksys rused Fatlus by putting in dual audio.
Atlus Co Ltd shit themselves and made it the only PS3 game with region-lock.
>>340346271
>i don't know how it works, but i'm going to talk about it anyway.
>>340349434
Why?
>>340336694
I'd always seen Atlus as very competent with dubs, and their attitude has always seemed to be that adding dual-audio implies they don't have full confidence in their dubs.
I would've agreed with them up until New Chie, New Teddie, and ruining Rise with Burch in a Rise-centric game
>>340341967
>Yeah an install base where 2/3 are fags who play fifa, GTA and ass creed.
That's literally the same install base as the PS2 just with ass creed instead of Socom.
>>340349489
NA version was cheaper compared to Japanese version and there was only a 2 week release difference. They were afraid that the japanese would wait the 2 weeks and just import the NA version.
>>340345360
you should seriously be thankful that for once we get the same cover as japan for a jrpg and it's fuckin sick
>>340349434
Stop confusing Aksys and ArcSys, cretin.
>>340340631
SJWs starting a gamergate like thing? What? That is the opposite of what that whole situation is like.
>>340345360
>MUH CENSORSHIP
>They think atlus is going to pay to have japanese VAs for high profile games in the US.
>They think they're going to pay royalties to a foreign company and deal with that international bullshit instead just keeping it local.
>They cite bargain bin kusoge or a game from a company with 10x the net worth of ATLUS having a JP track as some reason Atlus being unfair to them
Oh man I know their eng VAs are shit but at this point either learn japanese or mute the voices becuase you faggots are reaching tinfoil hat level conspiracies
>>340350643
>Everyone poorer than Atlus can have dual audio
>Everyone richer than Atlus can have dual audio
>Everyone of the same wealth and status as Atlus can have dual audio
>D-don't compare Atlus to other companies!
>>340350643
Everything ever done by Xseed
Incidentally, they have a bunch of games coming out THIS YEAR that were only announced weeks ago
Kill yourself
>>340336694
Are majority of Japanese VAs paid in royalties? if yes then publisher they would have to renegotiate with the VAs again if they want to use their all their recording for other regions. it's going to be costly endeavor just to satisfy the few
I'll play the PS3 undub.
>>340350943
Every other publisher does it. Atlus is unique in their refusal.
>>340336694
Why would I want JP voices when I can't understand Japanese? Neck yourself.
>>340351397
Would you watch a French, or German, or Russian film dubbed in English? Most people would not even if the dub were good.
>>340343350
Who is this semen demon?
>bunch of retarded butthurt EOPs mad about something that was confirmed before P5 was even officially announced
>>340350914
Cold Steel doesn't
but I can believe that XSEED has at least tried to do something, unlike Fatlus
>>340350914
Except anything they've localized by Falcom. Xseed are a shit publisher, don't kid yourself.
>localizing trails in a completely different order than you NEED to play the games in
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS COPY THE JAP AUDIO FILES OVER THE ENGLISH ONES AND LEAVE THE ENGLISH SUBS IN THAT YOU SHOULD ALREADY HAVE
FUCK
YOU
yeah I know it's not that simple but it could be, it should be
>>340351674
When was it confirmed?
>>340352038
When Atlus USA was founded.
>>340352013
>he thinks dublations are the same as translations
top fucking kek
>>340350914
>Post mentions bargain bin kusoge
>you mention xseed
Aside from Ys which is barely pushing it there is nothing quality coming from xseed that isn't low tier weeb trash.
Atlus USA a shit
>>340352013
It's not like you have to pay for the Jap voices or anything.
I was hyped or Persona 5 but I have this suspicion it's just going to be alright and nothing more.
And in terms of spoilers the story is usually shit anyway so who cares really? I knew Adachi was the killer in P4 but I still enjoyed the game.
>>340353140
>enjoying that piece of shit p4
You can enjoy anything then
>>340352231
Honestly, I'd be fine if they keep the text the same.
A lot of people can probably tell which is fucked and which isn't anyways.
>>340338961
>and in the games industry
top fucking kek
>>340353261
>tfw you can enjoy nearly all games
it's a good feel desu
>>340353318
Yeah, a lot of weebs are probably at the point where they can't actually read/write/speak it, but know when the subs have nothing to do with what is actually being said.
>>340336694
What's funny is it takes more work to remove the audio than to leave it in.
>>340336694
>cheapo weeb companies like xseed and NIS can give games dual audio
>The european versions of FF15 will be able to swap between english, japanese, french and german on one disk
>Even handheld games can include dual audio like dangan ronpa
>But atlus can't for their big hyped game they've been working on for seven years
There's nothing wrong with not caring about dual audio, but if you act like it can't be done and it's not just atlus being too lazy/cheap to put in the effort then you're simply wrong.
>>340336694
The "massive task" is negotiating the payoffs for the various VAs.
In Japan VAs are treated like gods and roll in money. Like any VA tied to a Final Fantasy release in Japan is going to be rolling in cash just for being in the fucking game, not even counting royalties. In the US, VAs are basically treated like shit and get paid very little for their work unless it's a well known voice being cast in a well known or well advertised game (Peter Dinklage/Nolan North in Destiny for instance). That being said, Persona is NOT a high profile release. It does NOT have that big a following in the west. So it might actually be cheaper and less work to get a bunch of English VAs and program the dialog then it would be to get the Japanese voice cast with subtitles.
ANd the root of the problem is likely Atlus Japan not really giving a fuck about Atlus USA so the contracts of the Japanese cast probably don't carry over to the international release. If that's the case then Atlus USA would have to negotiate entirely new contracts for the Japanese VAs for the international release. WHich would be a massive fucking headache and cost even MORE money.
>>340336694
Doesn't the JP dub have some very high profile VAs? I recall it being a pretty big deal that Jun Fukuyama was signed on as the MC.
>>340345274
>implying it's ever going to come out
Enjoy your English dub.
>>340353261
It's actually pretty fucking neat having wide tastes and being easy to please. Means I can get enjoyment from just about any game you put in front of me. This, in turn, means that I spend more time enjoying games and less time being a salty jaded prick on /v/.
>>340346646
m8 there are E rated games with more cleavage than that. Unless they got Jack Chick working over at Atlus USA now I highly doubt they moved it to intentionally hide that.
The worst part about bringing over the japanese dub would be recontracting for it. That can be pretty dicey and expensive.
>>340346351
>CERO rating square is tiny
>ESRB rating square is fucking huge
Someone shoop the ESRB square over the CERO square on the Japanese cover. From the look of it about 60% of the cats face would be obscured.
>>340357153
This.
It's actually cheaper to simply redub the game with some American no-name voice actors than to pay for the Japanese one that is already done.
>>340357153
>>340357367
>>340357647
When will this meme die? Have you guys never play a dual audio games ever in your life or something? Fucking smaller company can provide us with dual audio all the time.
Danganronpa series which also have high profile VAs (Fucking doraemon as monokuma) are providing us with dual audio.
Atlus are just being faggots.
People who refuse to play a game without the japanese dub are an extreme minority. Most potential customers either prefer an english dub or don't have any problem with it.
As such, it's easier and makes more sense to not pay all the extra money to all the japanese voice cast for their dub to be included in overseas english releases.
>>340358017
rip in peace monokuma/doraemon ;_;7
>>340358143
Atlus is literally the only devs who still think that.
>>340358017
It depends entirely on how things were contracted the first time around.
If in the initial contract you work out for international use, then you are good, you will pay more for that though than otherwise.
Apparently atlus didn't do that, so now they'd have to renegotiate for it.
>>340342978
>>340342548
saying 'true' and 'false' is much more clear than looking for '!' or nothing.
the code may work but readability suffers, and it is not standard practice
>>340358294
And yet the vast majority of people play their english dub only games without complaint and keep proving them right.
>>340344747
it might be cheaper but they are guaranteed to make less money by releasing the game not in English
>>340358386
It's not how you would read that in regular person speak.
Do you say your self "If it's true that it's the weekend, I'll play games, else I'll goto school / work"
No, you instead say, "If it's the weekend, I'll play games, else I'll goto school / work"
Just make it readable and it'll work like reading English, anon!
>>340336694
Ignorant question: it's not really a technical task, as much as it is an issue concerning licenses and shit, correct?
>>340347378
>I would like to mention that JYB and JYB actually worked fine in Arena because he separated the voices enough
Not really. It still just sounded like JYB talking to himself. In fact, it was even worse because he used his Adachi voice for Yu and just made Adachi sound retarded.
>>340358839
Yeah, Jap VA's get really prickly about licensing since a lot of them are signed with record labels and it can violate their contracts with said label under a lot of circumstances.
>>340336694
>weebs getting assblasted over the weebshit bible getting dubbed with no moon audio
Today is a fine day indeed.
>>340358997
>furfag enter the thread
>>340358017
Because Atlus Japan for some fucking reason (probably cost) didn't include international releases in the contracts, you dolt. Also keep in mind that Persona 5 has been in development for seven years. So the contracts were written up WELL before Sega bought Atlus. And new contracts to include international releases would mean Sega paying more money.
>>340358959
Then how come only Atlus has issues with putting jap va on their games?
So basically unfortunate people that don't know Japanese got cucked again.
So business as usual.
>>340359121
Because they never think ahead and don't consider the overseas licensing until they've already hiring VA's who may or may not be able to do it. Other companies simply only hire VA's who can license their voice overseas.
Atlus is not very smart.
>>340358362
That makes Atlus USA looks even worse though. If they wanted to provide dual audio they would have gotten international rights in the first place. If they didn't then they must never have planned to, so all that talk about caring about people who want dual audio and trying to get it was just lies to try and string people along.
>>340359358
None of that decision making probably falls on Atlus USA.
>My face when an Asian version comes out in English, undubbed, cheaper, and a few months earlier.
>>340360045
>mfw this retard believes this nonsense because he's a delusional EOP
>>340359121
It's because Atlus Japan apparently doesn't give a shit about international releases. So it's cheaper to negotiate contracts that concern Japan only. They then just hand the game to Atlus USA. Who then has to redo the voice work and whatnot because leaving the Japanese VAs without contracting them would mean fines and legal trouble out the fucking ass.
People keep bringing up over small devs who bring the Jap VA games over no problem. I have two things to bring up that. First, those games tend to not be given English VAs. Like Senran or Danganronpa. They don't have English VAs and their parent devs/publishers negotiate terms for international releases. So for THEM it's cheaper to just bring the game over with English subtitles.
Apparently Atlus Japan didn't do that for Persona 5 when they wrote up the contracts 5-6 years ago. So Sega would have to spend more cash for the VAs themselves, go through the process of writing up contracts (costs even more cash), and then ON TOP OF THAT have to pay up for English VAs because the average western Persona doesn't care for nor give a shit about the Japanese voice cast. So instead of going through all that horse shit and only get a handful more sales, they just with having English dub.
>>340359303
I'm looking at the VA list and all of them seem to have had their voices in at least one US release. It'd be pretty ridiculous for their contract to state that they don't want to be given extra money for doing nothing, anyway. Nobody would want to do that, and nobody's agency would let them do it even if they did.
>>340360260
That's a very long post just to say that they're too cheap to pay for dual audio.
>>340360418
But it's not Altlus USA. Atlus USA has exactly ZERO input on the Japanese VA contracts. That's all Atlus Japan. And Atlus Japan seems to still have an old school Japanese way of thinking when it comes to business. That thinking being "Make the game for Japan then give it to another company. Localization is their problem." Marvelous, Square, and Spike Chunsoft have all moved over to more broad way of thinking when it comes the business side of their games.
>>340336694
>tfw going to import digitally on release
But I won't spoil you guys, I promise. :)
>>340345360
So atlus getting censorships experiences from NoA?
>>340337821
I think it's not that simple since it must have something to do with legal bullshit regarding the legal rights from the jap voice actors and not simply a matter of making a menu or not
