Anyone else hate Metal Gear Solid here? Overrated non-games.
>non-games
explain this
>>340303843
they are interactive movies
>>340303756
After MGSV, I really don't care for them as much.
>>340303756
Hear, hear!
>>340303756
Kojima is a total hack and has never made anything even approaching a good video game
>>340303756
>animu-tier plots and characters
>bond-level conflicts
>much funney 4th wall and toilet humor
>we are supposed to have some sort of dramatic emotional connection with this
Right there with you man
>>340303945
so a video game
Why do you hate it Anon.......bait?
>>340306503
its pretty obvious that its bait
>>340306705
Hope so if not he probably loves fucking COD
>people in this thread take mgs plot seriously
>people in this thread haven't played mgs
kill yourselves
A metal gear doesn't make sense nowadays.
>>340306886
No, I prefer Syphon Filter and Splinter Cell. Actual stealth games and not interactive movies with bad controls.
>>340307160
What do you mean take seriously?
>>340307372
>interactive movies
>bad controls
its funny how you cant elaborate on either of these things
>>340307372
Sam fishers a faggot. Also story's boring as hell.
>>340303756
How do you guys feel about Ac!d?
>>340307421
people think the plot of the games are super serious and meant to sell the games
>>340307372
What do you think of the story anon?
>>340307662
no one really does
people generally consider it to be the equivalent of an 80's action flick but that doesnt mean that its not allowed to have serious moments and themes
>>340307662
the only people who take MGSs story seriously are metal gear fans though
>>340307652
shit
>>340307652
Its okay gets very grindy. Ac!d 2 is a lot better
>>340307762
>>340307806
yeah redditors and the shitters in this thread
>>340307662
But the story's good anon.
>>340307762
>that doesnt mean that its not allowed to have serious moments and themes
All of that stuff is sacrificed when you have DUDE JOHNNY SHIT HIS PANTS LMAOOOOO XD
DUDE MERYL'S BUTT IS BIGG LMAOOOO XD
Then Metal gear kiddies eat it up and act like they're getting Tarkovsky.
>>340307959
it's definitely fun
>>340307762
Last year when the MGS5 hype started peaking, people on a near daily basis started popping up asking how to get into MGS. The people here emphasized the story and kept saying to start with MGS1. Now we have a legion of shitheads who overly consider the dumb plot.
>>340307517
>Also story's boring as hell.
confirmed shit taster that can't comprehend subtlety and smooth execution
>>340308076
just becuase somethings are serious doesnt mean the game has to play it 100% serious business
>>340308076
Fuck off Huey
>>340308265
It's about tonal consistency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUytlAKC9Rg
>>340308406
these two are a bunch of fucking retards
they are okay at talking about movies but they dont know shit about video games
I wouldn't say I hate them, but they are definitely overrated as fuck. Various strengths and weaknesses from game to game, but the hype for V and inevitable disappointment when it couldn't live up to it's outrageous expectations made me retroactively dislike the other games in the series. I had fond memories of MGS2 and 3, but after realizing that the writing is ridiculous and characterization is generally just bizarre and terrible, and after experiencing real stealth mechanics in games like Chaos theory and Thief, I couldn't talk about them like they were the be all end all of stealth games.
I genuinely think they are meant for teens from 14-18. That's when I enjoyed them, and then I had my epiphany.
>>340308231
Look who's talking, also the story sucks because the characters are fucking gay you dont get attached to them plus its just damn boring.
They should play a laugh track over these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUytlAKC9Rg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJFlcba7x9Y
This shit is anime-tier retarded.
>>340308589
care to elaborate why
>He is too dumb to understand MGS2
Its okay. Stick with Bethesda games
>>340308589
Yeah why
>>340308406
jesus these guys are just no fun cunts
>Finally play MGS V
>2 fucking hours of unskippable cutscenes and tutorials
What the fuck happened!? Peace Walker had a 3 minute intro and then it was pure gameplay.
You are correct, MGS is a pretty bad series
>>340308076
/v/ definitely has gone to shit.
>>340308589that's the point
>>340308831
It feels like they are constantly trying to apply movie logic to video games
not to mention they are boring as fucking hell to watch on stream
they should just stick to bad movies
>>340308849
>unskippable cutscenes
Are you fucking stupid? You can skip them, ITS A FUCKING METAL GEAR GAME.
>>340308459
Does the bald guy ever do the film videos? I don't watch often but when I do, he's never there.
>>340309017
No you can't, as you'll find out when you eventually play the game also. You're just crawling or walking along a straight line.
>>340308849
try playing mgs4 friend
I love Metal Gear Solid because of the love and detail put into the games.
>>340308589
>This shit is anime-tier retarded
Plenty of fun video games are.
Not saying anyone has an argument in claiming it's great writing, but you certainly don't have much ground in claiming it's SO bad.
>>340303945
They're overrated, but calling them interactive movies is just retarded on your part.
>>340308948
>it's shit: that's the point
So you legitimately praise The Room as top-tier cinema?
Maybe I would have found it good if I'd have played it on release, but after trying to play it this year, I got to 2 and was having a miserable time. I fucking hate stealth gameplay
>>340309230
>>340309195
I'm talking about skipping real cutscenes not apart of the game.
>>340309260
to say I didn't enjoy the room would be a lie, I laughed all through the room and the political babble in mgs2
>>340309230
i've been this game so many times and im mad butthurt i've never seen this
>>340307762
> that doesnt mean that its not allowed to have serious moments and themes
I played 3, 4 and 5. Every time the game tried to touch a serious theme or have a dramatic moment it reached incomprehensible level of cringe. Kojima is a 2channel-level basement-dweller, and should stick to his animu and Bond movies. Every time this faggot tries to say something 3deep5me it comes out so retarded I want to cry.
>>340309251
There's literally 1/4 of gameplay in any of them. Even the codex calls stop gameplay right in its tracks to poor exposition for 3 hours. It's lunacy. Who actually thought this was a good idea for a video game?
>>340309453
>cringe
>>340309453
>Every time the game tried to touch a serious theme or have a dramatic moment it reached incomprehensible level of cringe
>I played 3, 4 and 5
>I played 3
>3
>>Every time the game tried to touch a serious theme or have a dramatic moment it reached incomprehensible level of cringe
Sure you did, fella.
>>340309387
Exactly, it's funny because it's so bad it's good. But it's not legitimately good.
We don't praise The Room like we do Gone With the Wind or Raging Bull.
Why should we praise Metal Gear like we do Witcher 3 for level of writing?
>>340309357
Seriously, I got to the Raiden bomb search bit in 2 and just gave up. Fuck that noise.
>>340309776
THAT FUCKING BOMB PART WAS THE WORST THING IN ANY FUCKING METAL GEAR SO FUCKING BORING,HARD AND AUTISTIC
>>340309586
>this is considered good writing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3zYO7vT9kA
>>340309452
Love this stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAUDFch-2UI
I really appreciate moments where you can say, "You didn't have to do that" but enjoy it all the same because of the time, resources and effort it took to create and place it.
>>340310008
None of this is gameplay. This is just watching scripted segments
>>340309924
anon it's mean't to be camp fuck off
>>340309924
>first 5 seconds
>palm already hits my face since I actually know Russian
SO MUCH ATTENTION TO DETAILS
>>340309586
He's 100% unequivocally correct. You'd have to be a child to take the sillyness in MGS seriously.
Kojima is the one guy who could turn a slam dunk like Sniper Wolf's death into an absolute joke by suddenly talking about love blooming on the battlefield. Like fuck you, how did you fuck that up
>>340310174
>classic spy movies have shitty russian speaking characters
>kojima emulates this in game
pretty good detail to me
>>340309476
You're an idiot.
>Can skip cutscenes instantly
>Very replayable
>Multiple difficulties
>Tons of extra levels
>Very few scripted moments
MGS is very video-gamey. It's not a movie.
>>340309898
If you thought finding bombs in 2 was hard you need to die.
>>340310126
Considering a majority of MGS2's secrets in particular require certain user input, I'd say it's gameplay.
>>340310143
Camp doesn't make it any more compelling, or really compelling at all.
It's not good. It's shit.
>>340309230
>>340309362
Every time I thought I knew everything about MGS2, there's always something that surprises me.
>>340310219
Not all of it is pure silliness you shitter.
>>340303756
Creating this thread every day. Man, you really need a hobby.
>>340310008
Are those actual gravure vids?
>>340310402
you mean you aren't a fan of spy movies
>>340310374
>>340310340
If I have to shoot guys to get to the next setpiece in uncharted, that doesn't make it gameplay. It's still scripted.
Same with Metal Gear. It's all scripted, and at the end of the day, the ending is still the same.
>>340310313
>classic spy movies use old low quality film
>Kojima emulates this in game with shitty graphics
>classic spy movies often have multiple plot holes
>Kojima emulates this in game with his plot holes
>classic spy movies have nonsensical gunplay
>Kojima emulates this in game with awful shooting controls
Truly, is there a limit to his genius?
>>340310340
It was fucking boring and so fucking repetitive.
>83 posts
>25 posters
>>340310805
What the fuck is your point?
>>340310613
>mfw thanks to Kojima we now have a generation of console children who think that XXth century spy movies are le funney over the top camp
>>340310505
Name one scene.
>inb4 hallway AKA "the guy who shits himself being an action hero"
>inb4 MGS3 ending AKA "BIG boss"
>>340310667
>your dad fucked your mum and left you
>I emulate this
and no i don't have limits
>>340303756
I agree. Metal Gear is garbage. It's more movie than game too, and the game that is there is shit sprinkled with a bunch of easter eggs. I'd rather play Thief or Splinter Cell, if I want to play a good stealth game let alone a good game in general.
>>340310126
You are fucking retarded. I have yet to meet a MGS hater who is actually intelligent.
The first few were good.
But, it eventually became clear that Konami kept publishing and developing MGS for the sake of money.
The consequence of this is that the storyline became a spoiled and incoherent mess, at the expense of unnecessary sequels and prequels.
>>340310946
You know whats garbage your fucking opinon
>>340310658
>It's all scripted, and at the end of the day, the ending is still the same.
The same could be said of all fucking games you mega nigger.
>Tetris is scripted because at the end of the day, I'll just end up not being able to clear blocks as fast as they fall.
>Pac Man is scripted because at the end of the day, I can't get past level 256.
>Half-Life is scripted because at the end of the day, I have to beat the Nihilanth in Xen.
>Fallout 3 is scripted because at the end of the day, I have to purify the water (DLC doesn't count, we only judge the base release ;^)
>>340310658
>t. someone who only plays sandbox games
>>340310667
>awful shooting controls
not really
its funny how everyone who says this cant explain why its bad
>>340310963
I have yet to meet a MGS fan who is actually intelligent. Case in point: >>340310936
>>340310914
> MGS3 ending
I cry every time. Because of how ungodly retarded it is.
>>340310896
I think that's more austin powers fault
>>340310658
Nothing in MGS is scripted, except for the script (duh), everything is work of the AI, there are literally zero scenes like Uncharted where a big movie scene happens and you just have to tap jump or move the analog stick while the background is going to shit, the gameplay is literally going through stages without getting detected, you can't script that.
>>340310658
>if I have to play the game
>that doesn't make it a game
This is some high quality bait.
>>340310805
>An argument has posters posting multiple times
OH MY GAWD
>there are people with differing opinions
kill yourself, clinically retarded echochamber faggot.
>>340303756
Hate it? No I just couldn't get into it. I'm not a big fan of stealth games and I don't have one fucking clue what's going on in the series.
To be fair the only one I played was GZ. I'm not underage I just figured if I didn't like GZ I wouldn't like the rest of it.
>>340310852
The point is you should kill yourself
>>340311143
How is t fucking retarded you autist?
>>340309230
Whats happening here?
>>340303756
One of the best series ever made hands down
>>340303945
no, heavy rain is an interactive movie with a "choose your own adventure" out come
>MGS
>Movie game
Surely you're not talking about the best game in the franchise? This was basically Monster Hunter with stealth and guns.
>>340303756
>The 'I just played MGS V and was disappointed with it and now hate the MG series as a whole starter pack'
>>340311205
You should play mgs3 its better and almost nothing like peace walker.
Reminder that MGS2's story isn't actually good
>>340303756
Fucking uneducated children taking shit for granted as always.
GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY HOUSE WITH YOUR STUPID
>>340311374
>peace walker
It's MGS-lite. As expected for a handheld.
>>340311374
it felt really poor though and the mission based design was a weird choice
its story was kinda shit too
I'd rather just play monster hunter
MGS is a videogame with a good story.
What we get today are interactive movies, you take out the cutscenes and you have nothing. Proof that the MGS gameplay is great is that you can have tons of VR missions and it's fun as fuck.
>>340303945
What's wrong with interactive movies? Especially if it's (somewhat) the intention of the director?
>>340311406
sorry I meant Ground zeros
>this thread has a chance to get over 150 guaranteed posts of nothing but shit-flinging
Sometimes I wonder why we can't just let someone dislike a game.
>>340307372
>splinter fags
https://youtu.be/JrvEWWYLDHM
WWTL?
>>340309476
Skip the cutscenes and they are 100% gameplay. Which can't be said for many actual moviegames.
People who enjoy MGS are the same non-gamers with no respect for the medium and use the word "comfy" a lot when describing games.
>>340306886
>If you don't like my incredibly cultured and flawless piece of media then you must love this piece of media that is renowned for being bad because I'm too stupid to come up with a decent example
One of the most infuriating defences to anything to be quite frank.
Metal Gear has some of the most laughably bad writing I've ever seen in a game, not to mention the controls being needlessly annoying.
>>340303945
This is untrue. If it was an interactive movie there wouldn't be fail-states or gunplay come on anon.
An interactive movie is some shit like Heavy Rain or Oxenfree.
>>340311374
peace walkers stealth was shit
>>340311553
someone is butthurt
>>340311497
Uncharted and Gears have multiplayer.
Still doesn't make them games.
>>340311407
Is it now? Maybe that's what they want you to believe.
>>340311537
But he dosent dislike it he hates it and for no good reason
>>340311407
>no source
>header isnt square with body text
Wonder if this is fake.
>>340311632
You can make anything multiplayer.
Oh wait Gears of War isn't a game? You're actually retarded.
>>340311407
>that text
That's exactly what it was and what it should have been. Kojima was right. And it WAS good because something that makes you want to play more is what a story should be.
Nobody plays videogames for fucking "postmodern" literary statements. And those who do are bottomdwelling slugs.
>>340311635
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>>340311632
I hope you're not implying Gears multiplayer isn't fun as fuck.
>>340303756
>non-games
MGS is one of the most video-gamey video games out there
>>340311632
An equivalent to the VR missions in Uncharted would be having a large hallway shooting the same guy over and over again.
In Gears of War it would be horde mode.
MGS and Gears are games, Uncharted isn't though.
>>340311783
>And it WAS good
No. It just was there.
>Nobody plays videogames for fucking literary statement
Then MGS shills should stop advertising MGS for it's great story.
>>340311932
Let's be honest, they're all games
>>340311943
KYS nigger
>>340312027
Nice argument there, pham.
>>340311943
MGS has probably the most unique, expansive, entertaining, and video-gamey story in gaming. All while having humor, tons of fun, but also containing some serious themes that one can ponder upon completion.
MGS is vidya kino
>>340311407
>no source
>just a slightly blurred block of text
Why do people post this and expect to be taken seriously?
>>340308076
I'll give you that Johnny should have stayed the one off easter egg/side character.
Meryl's butt is genius though. What a way to show off the new graphics than to make the player look at the subtle differences in the guard's models while sneaking around. You don't get things like that in games nowadays. It's just be a quest marker leading into the bathroom.
>>340311943
Story isn't a "literary statement" you nigger
>>340312026
To different degrees, determined by how much time is spent and how much playing is actually done.
Ideally this ratio would be something like 1:100 in regards to non-gameplay but I think it's closer to 9:1.
>>340310505
The serious stuff is even worse, as it is so awkwardly written and stilted so as to be completely ridiculous in itself. /v/ cannot criticise other games for bad writing in one breath and praise Metal Gear in the next as if it was a literary masterpiece. It's just hypocrisy and indicates to me they've never read a book in their lives and are just as bad as the people they mock.
>>340312441
I played uncharted 1 and 2 and tlou quite recently and I thought they were fine games. Would I replay them again? No. But that's only because they don't do anything particularly great and the plot is straightforward and almost bland because of how predictable it is. On the other hand MGS is timeless and is one of the most unique gaming experiences I've ever had, nothing is like it. To me that's what sets these games apart mainly, but you're right, uncharted has so much wall climbing, obstacle jumping, and path finding that if you cut that out it does seem like so little game. Compared to MGS it isn't shit.
>>340312815
>>340312815
cancer
>>340311013
Jesus Christ I feel like this is the one 15 year old butthurt MGS fanboy who can't take someone else's opinion.
>>340312957
yep I am
>>340311407
Even if this is real I'm OK with it.
Even though he didn't intend it to be so, it's still got all of the elements of a postmodern piece. He probably didn't think that everything he put into the game that hints at the information age rotting people's brains and being exploited by TPTB was anything more than dystopian sci fi but it happened. That's one of the things that makes it interesting. That's where our society has gone. Something as off the wall as MGS2 predicted a lot about our future.
>>340312164
>MGS has probably the most unique
Sure
>expansive
that one way to say "insanely overwritten and convoluted"
>entertaining
in the same way Neil Breen movies are entertaining
>All while having humor
No comment
>but also containing some serious themes
Kojima touching themes of war in MGS is on par with /v/irgins describing family values and interpersonal relations.
I only cared for Metal Gear and MGS desu senpai
>>340312815
This is pretty funny to read honestly, I'm positive I've read more books than you have. People who use this argument are wrong and always idiots. Books are books, they're the ultimate medium of storytelling, descriptive prowess, subtlety, I could go on.. But people who watch a television show, a movie, or a fucking video game and actually expect the level of storytelling in a well written book are dumb as fuck.
This blows your argument wide open and the fact you even use it shows how hard you're willing to do mental gymnastics to prove your point. Fuck off.
>>340313212
>insanely overwritten and convoluted
In a future where everyone has nano machines a soldier tries to stop terrorists from launching a nuke.
The plot of metal gear is simple as hell. People praise its delivery and tone and most importantly:detail.
>>340307652
Been playing through it, I like it. Looking forward to playing the second one sense I hear that one improves on the mechanics.
>>340313504
I dont really understand why people cant follow the MGS plotline
its straight forward as fuck and they hold your hand through it constantly
>>340312815
>The serious stuff is even worse, as it is so awkwardly written and stilted so as to be completely ridiculous in itself
Truer words were never posted on this board
>>340312815
>as if it was a literary masterpiece
why do people keep saying this
>>340313673
>why do people keep saying this
I dnot' know, you tell me: >>340312164
>>340313469
My point was people actually proclaim the writing in Metal Gear games is good, when it clearly isn't and you've essentially stated as much proving MY point.
>It blows your argument out because I say it does
Alright then.
>>340313569
I can understand the main plot points but never fully learn every detail. That's why I love it though, makes replaying it much more fun.
>>340313815
becuase you are so dense you dont notice a false flag
hell you were probably the one who posted it just so you can keep bitching about the fanbase
>>340313212
>mgs doesn't have good humor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQXVjaaPop4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siKrSdfzZaU
>>340313815
>in gaming
>in
>gaming
>literary masterpiece
Kill yourself
I think what's saddest is that all of these people are so convinced that they hate something that they've never even experienced. Please anons, it's popular for a reason. The next night when you can't think of anything to play, give mgs1 a shot and just relax and soak in the atmosphere. Don't forget to bring your suspension of disbelief. you might even havefun.
>>340313832
But the writing IS good. The problem with your argument is that you're saying since it's not as good and well written as well written novels it isn't good. You are a moron, no medium matches literature in storytelling. End of discussion. That doesn't mean that anything in any other medium is bad. MGS is one of the best stories in gaming.
>>340308406
So you can't actually explain yourself
>>340314384
It's a thread made by a salty Naughty Dogshit fanboy, you shouldn't take it so serious.
>>340314384
But it's just a movie game bro. I know that because I heard there are long cutscenes
>>340314421
I'm saying it's not well written, period. For ANY medium. What do you fail to grasp about this? My point was that if someone considers it genuinely good writing then they're probably extremely uneducated or pretentious.
>>340303756
Metal Gear Solid is one of my favourite games, and Metal Gear solid 2 is one of the greatest artistic achievements of the 21st century, and metal gear solid 3 is one of the best games ever too. The rest I'm so such a fan of even though babel is real good too.
>>340314625
>this backpedaling
Yeah fuck off retard. You claimed people say MGS is a literary masterpiece (nobody says this). And went on to say how people who enjoy the series have never read a book. Don't sit here and compare the writing in a fucking video game to literature, you're as bad as people who constantly have to tell people the book was better than the movie or show. No shit, the book is always better.
The only pretentious person here is you because you assume people who like the series aren't educated based off your bullshit logic.
>>340315023
>>340314625
>>340314619
>>340315321
Let's face it, Metal Gear fanboys. The writing in your game is shit. Witcher 3 blows it out the the water. Same with Grim Fandango and Exile on Genesis.
>>340315321
Alright, would you care to explain as to how the incredibly stiff and borderline autistic (in the correct sense of the word) character interactions and the tendency for everyone to over-explain every asinine and irrelevant detail about something that you already fucking knew good writing?
>>340315321
>>340315961
I'm serious, the script seems like it is written by someone who has absolutely no social skills whatsoever with all of its repetition. It is not good writing.
>>340311295
Can you not read the file name?
>>340316742
>3rd year of uni
>I get more pussy than you
>I read 8-10 books a year
>>340317116
MGS fans everyone
while we're talking about MGS, I picked up the game after a year, what the fuck is this
>>340308406
>i'll just leave this here haha ;)
get your own opinion, articulate it yourself you fucking parrot.
MGS was one of the first game with proper dramatic structure integrated within gameplay. Open world games cant do that
>>340318861
>MGS was one of the first game with proper dramatic structure integrated within gameplay
If codec and cutscenes are "integration" than I just give up.
I do admit that MGS was pushing the envelope with using proper cinematography in vidya, but that is one questionable achievement.
>>340317337
I think it's your global ranking in the virtual FOB league, which is like a mini game where you don't interact with it but it sums up a bunch of factors like researched defense tools, staff levels and compares to other players and picks a winner and a loser, this gives you points with which to buy fuel/staff/resources and shit.
>>340317269
ignorant college kids? check.
when will you get mandatory id checks on this fucking site to make sure everyone is older than 30?
I'll GUARANTEE that the quality of discussion will raise tenfold.
>>340320316
>ignorant college kids? check
They also think that burning through young adults section of iBook on their ipads makes them well-read.
>>340318861
>within gameplay
What exactly are you talking about? Gameplay and story remain pretty segregated.
It's getting awfully summer in here. Metal Gears my favorite franchise, I can see how it's not for everyone but just straight up calling it shit is pretty absurd.
>>340320808
>It's getting awfully summer in here.
MGS is reddit as fuck, a complete memegame
>>340320808
>Metal Gears my favorite franchise
It's good that you plainly admit your fanboyism.
It's alright that you enjoy it.
>straight up calling it shit is pretty absurd
^now this here is not alright.
>>340303756
Only from 4 onward.
>>340321145
>Someone has a different opinion then me, This here is not alright
Okay kid
>>340321414
But you're the one who's completely shutting out other opinions.
>>340320808
It's not even a fucking game for crying out loud.
Robotron, Zaxxon, Beamrider, and Joust are fucking games. Metal Gear is cinematic bullshit.
>>340311553
>he doesnt like being comfy
what the fuck
>>340321592
>Calling it shit is pretty absurd
How exactly did I shut out your opinion?
My view on your opinion is that it's absurd. I disagree with your opinion like how you disagree with mine. But I never "completely shut out other opinions"
>>340322549
We're just going in circles here.
>>340322662
Then don't accuse people of stupid shit to try get a rise out of them and you won't have meaningless conversations that go around in circles.
