>The only way to progress is to buy a gold bar for 65000G
Woooow
Breath of Fire games aren't very good
>>340221987
?
They are supposed to be amazing, but the opinion on them changes as fast as Dragon Quest opinions.
>>340222117
Had some cool parts, admittedly. But most of the game was stuff like the Rhapala region where the game wastes your time with banal shit just because. I gave up shortly after the game made me play minigames around the world to make a sushi dish for some guy who hates fish.
>>340221987
The only bad Breath of Fire games are the snes originals. And the issues they had were fixed in the gba versions
>>340222378
The only half decent Dragon Quest games are V and Monster Joker 2
>>340222117
that was a comfy game if there ever was one.
>>340222117
Best Nina. BoFIV has the best Ryu though.
>>340221987
BoF 4 was pretty damn good.
>>340222378
>bought DQ8 as a kid thinking it was going to be this godtier experience like all my gaming mags said
>ost full of muzak like i'd hear in an elevator
>fucking slow as slugs pace
>everyone has sameface or a massive forehead
>characters have models and animations but the classic DQ UI is forced onto combat anyway
>>340222775
BoF4 was a poor man's Xenogears, just like Wild Arms 2.
BoF is a perfect series and all negative comments to it should be punished with death
>>340222117
Best dragon transformation system.
I love BoF but I can't play it anymore because of the slow battle system and one of the most abusive encounter rates I've met on RPGs
>>340221987
BoF3 and 4 were both fantastic
>>340222605
>>340222791
It's time to stop posting.
>>340222117
Good soundtrack, mediocre everything else
IV > V > II > III > I
Not even remotely debatable
>>340221987
IV is good
haven't played 3 but I hear it's also good
>Playing BOF games instead of actual good JRPGS
>>340224291
Thats why I play all my retro rpg's on this baby. Portability alone lets you sink more time than on a tv, but you can also use a fastforward toggle
>>340224957
Played the rest, now I'm playing the best
>>340221852
You just do a bunch of odd tasks at that town full of rich people and then buy it. It's not that bad.
With that being said, Breath of Fire is mediocre is hell for the most part. BoF2 is probably the worst in the series - fuck the grinding, combat, and backtracking in that game.
>>340221852
Well there are plenty of chests that would net you at least 80000G.
>>3402248671/3 > 2 > 4 >>>>>> DQ> 6
>>340225254
>He played the snes versions
I liked dragon quarter but its the only one Ive played am I missing out? Where would you recomend I start if so?
>>340225943
IV
All the others can be skipped. Ignore the III-fags and their "m-muh genes" bullshit.
>>340225389
I only played the SNES version of BoF2, since people told me the fan retranslation was much better. Judging from what I've seen of the original version, I can totally commend its script quality, but it obviously doesn't fix the rest of the game's problems, like the insane encounter rate, the constant need to grind for levels and equipment money, the tedious backtracking, the near-brain-dead combat, and the boring, and the thoroughly underwhelming Fusion mechanics. I dunno how anyone sat through this game back in the mid 90's. I barely got through it even with constant use of fast-forwarding on my emulator.
>>340226258
The fan translation is SHIT.
I can guarantee you, with 100% certainty, that the person who recommended it was the autist who made it and shills it everywhere.
>>340224991
Worth it?
>>340226467
Yes. Its the best on the market.
>I wasted money on the gpd xd
Some youtube reviewers will give you a 5% discount code too.
>>340226451
It's not, though. Translation itself is fine. The rest of the game is what's garbage.
>>340221852
Jesus christ the chain quests in that game is absolutely bullshit. I remember playing it as a kid, there was a questline where I have to go to a city of richfags, to a city of thieves, to an underwater city, but since its underwater I needed something to be able to breathe. Im not sure if theyre different arcs but that really turned me off especially coming from III and IV first
>>340226745
The translation is shit compared to the official one.
>>340225312
>DQ is the worst meme
Discarded, >>340224867 remains supreme.
>>340226968
Yes, because translations clearly highly abbreviated monster and item names, literally translated jokes, and poorly romanized names are totally great and better than translations which fix literally all of these issues and improve the writing quality overall. Take off the rose tinted goggles, dude. You're delusional.
>>340223884
This.
>>340226968
The official translation of 2 is so fucking literal it hurts.
It's almost google translate tier.
RYU THEY CALLED YOU A BRAVE MAN. TO BE CALLED A BRAVE MAN IS GOOD.
I'm not saying the re-script is 100% accurate, but it is at least more involving.
>>340226968
>Capcom's translation
>Not a fucking mess
>>340223884
Was perfect until 5. Each game was an improvement over the last, but 5 just fell short.
>>340227072
You're right, it's not the worstbecause 6 exists now.
>>340223884
Dragon Quarter was shit.
>>340227283
Oh, and here's the autist himself, like clockwork to defend his garbage translation that is widely considered to bad by basically everyone who has used it.
Fuck off. First and final warning.
>>340222117
I used to just sit with the overworld theme going on the background for hours pre youtube days.
>>340227456
3 was better than 4 but other than that agree.
>>340227637
Honestly, it's a toss up, I loved both equally. I won't disagree with anyone who thinks one is better than the other.
>>340226954
>Be in thiefcity
>Dont know how to proceed
>Keep getting conned by the parrot into an infinite loop
>>340227489
Where is katt tho?
>Wooow has was I supposed to know the red boomerang was the best weapon?
>>340221852
Dragon quest Iv did that too
>>340221852
There's a chest in the cave near the town which has a gold bar in it.
>>340227608
>Oh, and here's the autist himself, like clockwork to defend his garbage translation that is widely considered to bad by basically everyone who has used it.
Who's this "everyone who has used it"?
>First and final warning.
<-------
>>340227489
No, it doesn't. Don't spread evil lies like that.
But no seriously there is literally no better jrpg then BoF3
>>340228271
BoF4
>>340228271
I dunno man. FF7, Grandia, Wild Arms, and FFT all came out in the same year and I thought those were better.
>>340228369
Starting town mansion, bolio and sunder, Rei story arc, desert sequence, and the whole age transition are all better than anything in 4.
>>340228415
You know what, bof is my all time favorite series, but I gotta say I never played ff7 when I was a kid and I started it recently, that game holds up really well.
Objectively
II > III > IV> I > V
Personal
I > III > II > IV > V
You cannot argue with this. I am the biggest BoF every. Fuck you Capcom for BoF6.
>>340228865
Give examples as to why 2 it's objectively the best especially in comparison to 3 and 4
I only ever played IV, however... I played through that game around 6 times so far.
I was sad when I found out the non-JPN versions are censored though.
>>340229070
Wait what?
>>340228740
BoF3 is the one I enjoyed the most, albeit not the one I got the farthest in. I was doing a playthrough of it not too long ago but got distracted byDQ5 and playing a bunch of Doom WADs. I honestly tried to get into the series as a whole, but BoF1 and BoF2 are just such mediocre games compared to the stuff Square, Chunsoft, and a few other devs were pumping out during the 16-bit era. It was clear that RPGs weren't Capcom's forte. It seems like they finally learned a lesson or two by BoF3, but it was kind of late at that point - and BoF4 seemed really style over substance to me. I've never played Dragon Quarter so I'll plea the fifth on that one.
>>340228865
I don't get why people like BoF2 that much. It's probably the worst game in the series if you don't count 6.
>>340227283
>>340227373
Localization is literally censorship. You are part of the problem.
>>340222885
But Xenogears was trash compared to BoF4
>>340229548
>I've never played Dragon Quarter so I'll plea the fifth on that one.
DQ was so different that fans of the first four games outright renounce it. Wasn't a bad game, just radically different and somewhat repetitive.
>>340228415
damn, they ALL came out the same year? I forgot how spoiled my childhood was
>>340228271
Hi
>>340230570
Looks like some shitty mobile game.
>>340230570
Oh hey this was some canceled mobile game.
>>340230831
It IS some shitty mobile game.
Good eye!
>>340230305
Nah, I double checked and I was wrong. Wild Arms came out in Japan in late 96. And if you go by NA release dates, then BoF3 and FFT came out in 98 and Grandia came out in 99. 1997 was fucking great for Japanese RPGs fans, though. Holy shit.
Here we go.
Best BoF.
>>340232148
>>340232148
She's probably the most boring member of the cast besides Aspara.
I want to feed Nina a cracker!
>>340232148
Uh-Huh.
>Kattfag
Well, so much for this thread.
>>340231041
>cancelled
6's Nina looks fantastic though
Reminder to ignore all the shitposters saying that 2 isn't good, they are just an irrelevant handful of people. 2 with fan re-translation has the best dialogue in the series. Go play re-translation!
>>340221987
BOF2, 3 and 4 are all good, stop shitposting.
>>340230185
fucking this, BoF4 was a legit complete jrpg, it had amazing story, characters, gameplay, and ost, xenogears on the other hand is an incomplete mess with some pseudo intelectual bullshit slaped in
>>340230185
So wrong it hurts me
>>340232573
Just ignore
>>340224867
>II > III
>V >
>>340221852
>he didn't find the free gold bar
>>340232407
You are stupid.
>>340232148
>>340232267
>>340232754
Just upload a mega link with all your katt images
>>340232723
Worst dragon system, worst nina, worst woren, ugly 3d boss sprites
>>340232923
Now now Kattfag.
>>340229187
You miss cutscenes.
>Ursula drops her pants and gets spanked
>Ryu walks in on Ursula and Nina bathing
>Fou Lu beheads a guy
Those are the scenes I saw through Youtube at least, I am unsure if there are more...
>>340233021
damn son thats a giant bunch of shitty opinions if I ever saw one
>>340232923
>Joins for no reason
>Says nothing of relevance for 20 hours
>Suddenly some tiger dude wants to marry her
>Gets all tsundere and shit
>Tiger dude's like "lol nvm I liked this other chick more so how about I die with her kthxbye"
>Continues to be irrelevant
>>340232960
No, BoF threads would disappear then. We must continue discussing our cherished childhood games!
>>340221852
Reminds me of that one part in the first Phantasy Star where you need a lot of money to buy a laconian pot, or ice digger or something. I reached the part where you buy it, but had nowhere near enough money. Never finished the game because of that.
>>340233237
yeah there is one more were ryu grabs ursulas tits by accident
>>340233325
Anon please, im tired saving these images one by one
Legs for days
>>340230570
DELETE THIS
>>340233318
She joined because Ryu stole what she thought was her purpose at that time, you dumb fish.
>>340233510
Fusion Nina.
>>340233831
Here.
Thread reminds me I need to play Dragon Quarter.
>play the SNES version of BoF1 because I was always curious about the series thanks to the BoF3 ad in MML's manual
>have a ton of fun with it
>start checking out BoF threads on /v/
>everyone hates it
>>340232645
The retranslation fixes nothing in regards to the gameplay. Did you honestly enjoy the incessant grinding and shitty battle mechanics?
>>340233953
BoF1 isn't really bad.
Just very very average.
Cute.
>>340234027
There are patches that increase exp and money gains, dummy.
http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=21355.0
http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=19902.0
>>340234260
yeah great and all but Nina 3 is sooo much hotter.
>>340234260
Yes she is.
>>340221852
Need to play a game in this series.
Which is the best one and which one has qt tiger grill?
>>340234519
Play them all, in order of release.
They all have their own qt's.
>>340234447
I don't know, I have a tough time choosing between Nina2 and 3.
>the only way to progress is to gather 20 grand and pay for a boat
WOOOWWW
>>340234519
2 is the best and has the girl.
>>340234519
>Which is the best one
Depends.
>qt tiger grill?
2.
>>340234519
best games in the series, bof3 or bof4
game with katt: bof2
BoF4 has the best party/battle system in the series, so that's a good one to start with. BoF3 has a superior dragon transformation system, but is more grindy.
cat waifu sucks compared to cat husbando
>>340234378
>Double exp and money
Well, that's kind of cheating, isn't it?
>>340221987
>not even Breath of Fire is sacred anymore
Only bad game in the series is BoFV, but thats what everyone says. Never tried it out myself.
Needless to say, mobiles games doesnt count.
>>340234834
Rei's cool.
>>340234834
>2 had a cute cat waifu
>3 had a cute cat onee-chan
>4 had some gruff boring guy who is literally the shittiest party member.
>>340234834
Rei is a character with angst-filled edge done right. He just doesn't care about anything except his friends, even when hetells off """god""" to her smarmy cunt face
>>340234849
It fixes grinding because you really think there is grinding, and that's what you've asked for in your original post, you dumb sack of shit.
>>340234834
doesn't that just beat all?
3=2>DQ>4>1 desu
>>340222117
Call me an idiot but the desert part was fucking great, I actually felt like I was going somewhere very VERY far away since the area was so big in relation to the rest of the game it truly felt like a tiresome journey, the characters also acknowledge this shit, it was tedious but a great experience at the same time.
>>340235335
The desert part gets a lot of bad rep for the translation error.
III > II > IV > I > DQ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> utter shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6
>>340235118
Well, are you implying there isn't any? I recently beat the game and you have to do quite a bit of grinding to progress in a lot of places. If you don't, bosses like Wildcat, Algernon, and a couple of others will utterly wreck your shit. Even if you go to Giant Island the shit takes forever. There's also bullshit like the duel between Sten and his old war buddy where you can get two-shot by two Enraged attacks - which is really common.
>>340235335
I actually liked the desert because it pushed your party (and your navigation skills) to the limit of their endurance, and figuring out the "solution" at the end when one of your team was down for the count was pretty nifty. The whole place really sold itself as the "Desert of Death," and you got a good sense therest of the world was the last tiny bit of life on the planet.
However, I think a translation typo caused everyone to go the opposite way at one crucial step in the complicated directions, which is probably why it infuriates so many people. I had to attempt it at least 4 times before I finally figured out the right path through.
>>340234862
DQ is pretty good if you look at it as it's own thing. It just doesn't really feel like a Breath of Fire game which is where it gets a lot of it's hate. That and the difficulty curve.
>>340230185
Loved both, but to say Xenogears was trash is ridiculous.
>>340235624
Git gud, while i agree the exp gain is fucked you can still beat the game without grinding
>>340235624
>There's also bullshit like the duel between Sten and his old war buddy where you can get two-shot by two Enraged attacks
Huh? I thought that was easy.
>>340235781
>Xenogears was trash is ridiculous
Well, it's not trash, per se, but it is a really shoddy game thanks to an overabundance of cutscenes, a lame battle system, boring dungeons, and the infamous second disc.
>>340234834
Shouldn't you be mad there isn't any compassion for your edgeman drawn in naruto style wherever you post him? LMAO.
Would pump their rums
>>340235728
The way it looks is why I never tried it. Looks way too different from the previous games, like it was supposed to be something else but got renamed in the last second.
Someday I will try it though.
>>340236035
>Nina 3's legs
Sweet
Baby
Ray
>>340236035
I see.
>>340236303
I'd slather her legs with that bbq sauce
>>340235624
You are supposed to beat Wildcat with dragons. You can instakill Sten's war buddy with one (1) Firecracker.
>>340236425
Not if you wanna get Slice/ChopChop - which you really do want to since it's an incredibly strong move.
>>340236058
It wasn't renamed at the last second. It's clear from the concept art it was always supposed to be a Breath of Fire game.
I think the team was just trying to do something different after playing it safe with IV.
Sup bitches
Remember me?
>>340236753
Yeah. Fuck you and your obscenely long second wind.
Anyone has that cool image of all the shamanized versions of BoF2 characters looking at the viewer?
Question: who's a more ballin' nigga on your team, Garr or Peco?
>>340236612
To be fair, IV improves a lot of III's mechanics, even if the transformation lacks the flair of III's gene system
Which iterations of Ryu and Nina do you guys like the best in terms of design alone? Personally, I'd go with 4 for Nina and 3 for Ryu.
>>340230186
>Wasn't a bad game
it has that D Counter bullshit. That alone makes it shit
>>340236829
He was fucking insane.
Even when I replayed in and was trying to prepare for him he still fucked my shit up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJKzTVqJAs
>>340236902
Peco, by miles
>>340236753
Hahaha. He has the longest second wind in the game, right?
>>340236987
3 Ryu because you saw him grow into it. I do really like Ryu 2 also
2 Nina because she simply has the best design
>>340229548
Dragon Quarter is a whole lot better than the rest of the series. It's worth trying.
>>340236987
>Nina
2. Mainly because legs.
>Ryu
3's Mainly the grown up version.
I like his coat and scarf.
>>340237192
Hardest boss in the first game.
Anyone that tries to say that he isn't is a fucking liar.
>defeat boss
>jk i'm still alive!!!
>>340237291
For all that is good
>>340236987
3 Ryu and 2 Nina
>>340222605
>both of those shitty opinions.
>>340236586
Are you stupid? To get Wildcat to help you you don't need to act specifically in the fight against him, it's just the best tactic.
Also, there are weapons that cast Slice/ChopChop, you don't need to waste a slot for that.
>>340236859
You know, that's another huge disappointment had with BoF2 - the fact that Fusion were just these temporary buffed states rather than permanent fixtures. Worse yet, you don't get to experiment with them much until super late in the game.
>>340235512What's the source on that "Hate" monologue?
Ryu and Nina isn't canon
shut the fuck up please
>>340237792
It's from the PC video game adaptation of I have no mouth and I must scream.
Ryu 3 is a faggot.
>>340238004
filtered
>>340238004
Thank for putting on a trip.
>>340237990
I thought as much, it did seem like something the computer would say. I've only read the story but never played the game version.
>>340227970
MFW i found this when I was 7
>>340237632
Would you quit acting like a buttblasted asshole? I'm just criticizing the game, not you.
>Also, there are weapons that cast Slice/ChopChop, you don't need to waste a slot for that.
What? I'm looking through the Wiki and I'm not finding a single one that does that.
http://bof.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Breath_of_Fire_II_Weapons
>>340237273
>Dragon Quarter is a whole lot better than the rest of the series
>>340238262
why does she have a sonic ring?
>>340238262
>that hand on her face
wat
>>340224867
IV > III > V > II > I
Fixed
>>340236992
Unless you were a retard who spanned the dragon on literally everything, you could beat the game with like, 30% on the counter.
You were really only meant to spam it on bosses.
I loved Dragon Quarter, and it really makes me sad that a brilliant game like that killed the series.
Breath of Fire is a shining example of how no matter how much people bitch and moan about wanting a JRPG series to evolve, when it does, people will bitch and moan that it isn't more of the same, and be mad it is too different.
So now, a once great series has been relegated to a shitty mobile microtransaction fest.
>>340238662
>that a brilliant game like that
I played DQ and it's not brilliant
>>340238349
ThunderST/Bolt Tonfa. The spell's there is even the better version of Slice/ChopChop. Also,
>BoF wiki
Hahahahaha, faggot, at least use Ben Siron's handbook to not look retarded.
>>340238349
>I'm just criticizing the game, not you.
The only flaw with the game is a retard player, always was the same as with a retard user.
>>340238662
It's funny how they threw out all of the additions and polishing they made in 3 and 4's combat systems to make a completely different one. Yeah, that's not how you "evolve" a game series. Also, a lot of people don't like limits that end up in game overs, even if you can restart the game with your levels and items or whatever. Having to restart from the beginning sucks and doesn't make a person like a game, unless they go in expecting something like a roguelike.
>>340238608
>he cant wrap his arm around his head
How thick are you arms anon?
For people who hate the SNES ones, what was your first Breath of Fire game? What was your first RPG?
Too many BoF3 tards here. Nina 3 best Nina, Rei is good, LMFAO. Time to fix that.
>>340239346
You seem upset.
>>340239292
I started with 3. To be honest I've never played the 1 and 2, but everything on the SNES sucks so I assume BoF 1 and 2 do as well. Video games didn't start becoming good until the PS1 came out.
all of the games have great music.
one of my favorite themes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ4O_xDpBUc&index=20
>>340239292
My first rpg was FF7, my first BoF was 5.
There was a part in BoF 2 where you have to "play" a song by pressing some buttons, I still remember the tune perfectly, in fact it's the only thing I remember from that game, I got stuck in that part for like a week. Anyone knows what I'm talking about?
>>340239532
BoF 1 is very solid, but it is a product of its time. 2 as well, but it had a much better story and characters than 1. The party was a lot more interesting and more viable than just getting 3 people combined together and having one useless person only in the party to dig holes every once in awhile. Would have liked to see something like the shaman fusion system show up in games after 2, but oh well.
>>340239747
yeah you get some magic for it.
>>340239747
It was an optional thing. I think.
>>340238662
30% counter? WTF
I only used the counter on the last bosses, but when I finished I was like on 90%, for me at least the last bosses were impossible on my first run with no retries without using the dragon transformation.
>>340239531
The only one who is upset here is you (because of your life), a miserable pile of shit that posts on 4chan as long as it's awake.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/username/aceman/
LMAO.
>>340239747
Boombada
>BoFIII
>This monster was just trying to feed its children, which have now died, here are their emaciated corpses.
>This sentient plant monster can't stand the pain of life, so mercykill it.
Jesus fucking christ was that game dark.
>>340239747
Yeah, I never beat the game because I couldn't get it and gave up
>>340239967
Can't take a bit of teasing.
Then again you always were like that.
I think we can all agree Garr is the best big guy of the series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSQ7M7ABvXU
Came here for the Katt-posting.
>>340239967
At least aceman doesn't attempt to derail threads every single time a BoF thread shows up.
>>340239847
>>340239919
>>340240072
Was it really that difficult or was I just bad at it? I remember it took me so many tries that I thought I would never get past it.
>>340240153
don't forget the first half of the game is
"hey dragon kid follow me I'll show you your destiny... jk I want to kill you"
>>340240213
>kick his ass in the tourney
>think all the hype was lame
>just says enough is enough and instantly kills me
at least give me the satisfaction of sorta wining
>>340239129
You are a massive shithead, buddy.
>>340239292
Breath of Fire 2, actually, but I sort of jumped around and played different parts of the first four games until one day deciding to beat 1 and 2 for real and getting pretty far in 3.
>first RPG
Uhhhh... Final Fantasy Legends III (Saga III)... Please don't hurt me. I was like 6 and my neighbor let me borrow it.
>>340239824
I've never played these games, but they don't look all that dated compared to 3. At least from what I'm seeing, I'd have to play to confirm this. They're all turn based RPGs that move at a slower pace. Is it just the encounter rating that makes people hate the SNES ones?
>>340221852
welp thanks for reminding me of my 10+ year old backlog. I've never finished a single BoF game even though the twist was apparently really interesting (don't even remember the spoiler now afte rthis long)
>>340240261
Katt or shaman Katt?
>>340240463
Well, you started playing RPGs earlier than most of us, way fucking earlier, so you actually have more authority on this. 1991, shit dude. You've seen it all.
>>340240476
Pretty much. The first game is also pretty dated and basic, but I'd say it's worth trying a bit to see if you can enjoy it for what it is. The second game is when Capcom figured out how to make a good JRPG with better party members, but they broke the dragon system's kneecaps. The first game's dragon form is basically an "I win" button for most battles, but in the second game, they made them into single cast spells that use up all mp and don't do much damage AND don't count as elemental attacks.
>>340240520
Both.
>>340240463
>Final Fantasy Legends III (Saga III)
It's a good game anon.
>>340240683
dragon form was only op in the first part of the game.
>>340240627
Nah, don't overestimate me. This was like 2000. Said neighbor just happened to have a GameBoy Pocket and a bunch of old games on it. FFL3 was just the one we discussed and play together the most besides Pokemon. Then I got a GBA and well... Metroid Fusion changed my gaming tastes forever.
>>340240717
>>340240763
Having a full heal plus more damage is pretty OP. Also, couldn't you use that to eat big attacks so your party doesn't die? It's supergood.
>>340240683
How frequently would you say enemy encounters are? I can handle high encounter rates, so long as they're not something extreme like the first Dragon Quest. In that game, enemies came at me every few seconds and hit like a fucking Mack truck.
Another example would be turning Bravely Default up to 100%. Any sort of metric will do.
>>340240280
Take your name on, a faggot that hasn't contributed anything anywhere, yet has been everywhere.
>>340240987
I haven't played DQ1, but probably around that encounter rate. It can happen every step, or it can happen every 10 steps. It's very random but happens frequently enough that it's noticeable. There should be an item you can get to ward enemy encounters for awhile, though, that you can get inexpensively from shops.
>>340241036
But I post Katt sometimes.