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Which one, /v/?
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this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojYK6CW8gdw

or this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns7fNPiNiNc
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cyberpunk always, steampunk is for plebs.
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>>340217153
>cyber
/v/

>steam
reddit
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Cyberpunk because the technology makes the world credible. Steampunk doesn't explain how the tech works.
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>>340217450
didn't reddit pick steampunk over cyberpunk with over 89% of the total votes?
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I would honestly hate to live in either.
If I had to pick one I guess it would be light steampunk, as far from le random goth middleschooler as I can get...
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Why not both!
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>>340217153
Top: Shadowrun, Underrail, Copper Dreams?
Bottom: Arcanum
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cyber is better in every way
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Cyber all day every day
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fuck steampunk
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Cyber
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99% of steampunk is just Victorian era England with gears plastered on and the society given a varnish of modern politically correct ideologies.

99% of cyberpunk is just modern day Japan but with white people and no fashion sense.
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>>340218313
I like the clothing in deus ex
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>>340217153
cyber with cybersluts and sexbots pls
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i prefer GoG
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as an engineer I prefer steampunk if its done right, not just gears glued to everything and exaust ports everywhere
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Cyber all the way, steampunk is for hipster faggots .
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>>340217153
Cyberpunk all the way
Steampunk is so fucking boring
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>>340217153
I used to like steampunk but cringy Reddit neckbeards have run it into the ground.

Cyberpunk is also losing its appeal, since it's becoming reality without all the cool parts.
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>>340218404
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Steampunk, preferably with airships
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>>340217664
>le random goth middleschooler

that's world of darkness though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ndz4DwTpQ8
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>>340219105
>not cyber punk with cool ass anti grav air ships
>he wants gears glued on to another hindenburg
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Corsets and goggles are muh fetish
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Cyber has infinitely more options and potential than steam.

Steampunk is like steam power itself, obsolete.

inb4 muh steam turbines and shit, I mean steam in the coal fired sense
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>>340219373
He just wants another Arcanum. Your steampunk generalizations just make you look retarded desu
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>>340217510
DUDE GOGGLES LMAO
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>>340218404
pick two rows
(all versace btw)
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>>340219469
cyber corsets and cyber goggles are better desu
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how about Dieselpunk?
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>>340219753
A & B

[MUFFLED KRAFTWERK IN BACKGROUND]
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>>340217153
Given the choice between those two? Cyber.
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>>340219753
B and F
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Steampunkfags will never know this feel
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>>340220691
No, but they found feel all the pollution and smoke in their lungs. Just go to a big city in China and take a deep breath.
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>>340220967
thats a good fucking list
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>>340220967
>no SS1
pleb
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Cyber

https://vimeo.com/166807261

not too close but could be coming in the not too distant future
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What's Dead Space era called?
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>>340221247
sci-fi space horror
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Steam punk all the way

Steam punk genre hasn't been saturated, good Steam punk games are a treat

>Cyberpunk games are a dime a dozen
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Steam like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppV2EMfbk0w
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>>340217153

Got to go with Cyberpunk.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
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>>340217153
Steampunk is an aesthetic that was ruined by autistic retards.

Cyberpunk is a sub-genre of sci-fi not an aesthetic.

Comparing them is pointless and retarded.
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I love Guns of Icarus
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>>340222415
more
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>>340222415
>tfw you will never cum inside the majors cyborg pussy that is equipped to squeeze and milk your dick better than a thousand hands
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>>340222284
So would it be better to say cyber goth
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>>340217153
cyber: the reality is worse that you believe it is
steam: lol magics!
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>>340220990
>Implying steampunk isn't more polluted
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>>340217232
>tfw gf loves steampunk, gears, cogs, and this band and has pretty much all their albums
>meanwhile i can share my cyberpunk fetish with /v/
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>>340217550

It only proves that they're a bunch of pretentious cunts that suck mad Jules Verne cock.
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>>340224624

Cyberpunk is clearly superior. Get her to understand rather than just going along with it.
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>>340225120

Waterworld?

That's basically dieselpunk with a side of aqua.
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>>340217153
Cyberpunk >>>>> Steampunk

Why are there no good dieselpunk games..
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>>340225212
i'd rather just play deus ex for the first time

by the way, is there any drawbacks to going full nonlethal? like, prod/crossbow with tranq darts only?
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>>340222284

You can compare their aesthetic qualities without getting into the particulars of it.
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>>340225402

It's more difficult like in any other game that gives you the option. You have to be much more thoughtful of your actions in Deus Ex if you don't go lethal. Boss battles are very difficult if you don't try for a walking tank character (since that's what the bosses basically are) so you're better off just avoiding them. Which you CAN actually do in the first Deus Ex.
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>>340225673
>avoiding boss battles
i want this video game to feel very game-y, so i guess i'll just ditch the crossbow and pick up a shotgun or something

good thing i got the gep gun at the start of the game
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Cyberpunk has a larger story and theme behind it. Steampunk is primarily a style on top of general technological advancement. With cyberpunk stories you get shit like government conspiracies, cybernetic debates, poverty stricken environments despite technological advancement, societies run by businesses, obsessive consumerism, and more. With steampunk stories you get technological advancement through unorthodox means and not much else.

So I personally prefer cyberpunk. Same goes for if we purely focus on the style. I prefer dark blues, neon lights, and grimy city streets to posh brass and over-complicated machinery.
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>>340221851
Would you really put the SNES shadowrun above the Genesis one?

Why?
Combat was shit due to that weird 'move the reticule from yourself to the enemy while he auto-locks on' shit and cyberspace was almost non-existent
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>>340217232
Honeybee is pretty good though steampunk is crap
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>>340217153
Hard to choose, but I think a good cyber has more to offer.
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>>340220868

>Coming never
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>>340225924

More or less this.
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Steampunk is stupid made up shit that only manchildren fantasize about. Cyberpunk is an actual realistic projection of our future.
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>>340218313
No, cyber actually has literary value
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>>340222785

Major likes girls. And weird super cyber sex involving drugs and shared experience hardware and shit.
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>>340217232
Why didn't you post actual vidya related music for steampunk games?
https://youtu.be/wWjbWuXZA5w?list=PL4C09A3D352D273F1
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The original Robocop movies: cyberpunk or prophetic?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGzZ4SjFOLI
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>>340227203
Also its funny how the tits are censored when you link the video, but not censored on Youtube
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>>340227084
Demolition Man is more prophetic than Robocop.
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>>340227613
Does that mean I'll have to learn how to use seashells?
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>>340227671
You don't already know anon? Its so simple.
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>>340227203
Fuck that was good music
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>>340227613

Neither are really.

I mean for fucks sake. Do you really think this is what Taco Bell is going to serve in the future?
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>>340227671

>He doesn't know how the seashells work
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>>340226137
The release date was announced like yesterday or something.
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>Grimdark, derivative schlock for teenagers who've only just discovered philosophy and realised the world isn't a cartoon
>Lame, derivative schlock for teenagers who've just discovered history and realised the world was once different
Both can be done well but are done poorly more often than not. "DUDE NEON LMAO" is not better than "DUDE BRASS LMAO".
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A E S T H E T I C

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9L4q-0Pi4E
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>>340217232
The guitarist seems like the type of a guy who would always be the center of attention at parties with his calm but not boring attitude, but he's based enough to stay at the back so you get some attention and chicks too.
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>>340228319
awwww yeah
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>>340225361

There was that flying game about a balkanized USA. I forget the name.

Cyberpunk > steampunk. If steampunk dealt with more of the varied and rich landscape of the 19th century than the most bland and milquetoast of L O N D O N then I'd be down for it. off the top of my head the only steampunk I can think of doing that would be Amnesia being in the Prussian spooky forest. Steampunk has even lost sight of the iconic pith hat clad adventurer. It's always just wheel cog industrial bullshit with the rarer wild west experience (which is good).

Also dug the neo-reinassance aesthetic of DX:HR.
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I prefer the themes that Steampunk should deal with (industrialization, colonialism, exploration, etc.) than Cyberpunk, along with the aesthetic, but good Steampunk vidya along those lines just doesn't exist.
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Where do steampunk fans come from? There's almost no media depicting it and I can't think of a single steampunk game. Occasionally you have something like Bioshock or Thief 2 with some steam-powered technology, but it's hardly the overall theme of the game.
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>>340227613
Someone's never been to Detroit.
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>>340228753
Hell if I know.
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>>340228753
Hipsters looking for pictures of mememustaches find steam punk by accident and glom on because it's so unique and classic and other bullshit
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>Still no proper single player Cyberpunk RPG
How fucking hard is it to do?
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>>340217153
>Bladerunner replica
>Painted Nerf gun with a funnel on the barrel
>Well rendered scene with only characters and tits
>Brown PS2 era 3D
Disregarding your shit image picks, cyberpunk all the way.
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>>340229135
What was improper about Deus Ex?

Or Shadowrun for that matter (though I know why I didn't like the newer one)
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>>340229135
Nigga what?
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>>340229135
there's multiple my underage friend
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>>340221851
Will Barkley 2 ever get a release? I doubt it.
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>>340219753
A and B, the rest are too colorful.
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Cyber is infinitely more fantastical than steampunk and got way more potential

Also cyberpunk cities are very fucking comfy for a decadent society
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>>340229135
have you tried EYE? it's janky in that dues ex kind of way but it's still pretty good
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>>340228586

>the neo-reinassance aesthetic of DX:HR

I'm genuinely surprised that you noticed that. Almost nobody seems to.
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>>340229279
>>340229291
>>340229306
>Cant be a normal guy doing normal things
>Have to save the fucking world
Yeah nah
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>>340223880
>what is steam
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Keep posting cyberpunk cities

There is something in their lifelessness that make me comfy and warm
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>>340228742
>wanting colonialism as a theme

Why, though? It always boils down to 'fuck the invading race' except sometimes when the story takes place during the Age of Exploration. It doesn't lead to very interesting stories since it never gives the villains (the invading country) depth.
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>>340217153
I like both. I tend to prefer the clothing and gear of steampunk but the environments and worlds of cyberpunk. But really both are great.
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>>340229495
steam is the N°1 greengas effect gas thought
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>>340229646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAzpa1x7jU&index=10
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>>340229482
Do you save the world in the genesis shadowrun game?
I admit I never really bothered with the main storyline all that much
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>>340229715
Meant to quote >>340229449
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>>340229648
>it never gives the villains (the invading country) depth
Classic works depicting colonialism do exactly that, though. Take Shooting an Elephant, for instance.
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>>340229824
>tfw no Cyberpunk riot police game
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>>340229646

I take it you've never been to Tokyo. I swear they are trying more and more to make real life like that there.
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>>340229648
>It always boils down to 'fuck the invading race'
Spoken like a true pleb.
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>>340229926
Cyberpunk MMO with Police faction wold be great
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Cyberpunk is a much more fleshed out genre. You have fantastic films, books and anime to draw inspiration from. Steampunk on the otherhand has far fewer options. There's also that cringey steampunk subculture where people walk around wearing goggles, gears and corsets. But it has to be said cyberpunk has it's fair share of cringey shit too.
Steanpunk when pulled off correctly is godly. If you don't believe me go play Thief 2.
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>>340230078
You want a game with literal fun police trying to shut everything down?
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What makes cyberpunk cities so alluring and attractive to the human perception?

Is it the sterile environment pleasing our inner desire to see order in things?
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>>340229291
Shitty list and it doesn't even have any recent P&C games on there.
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>>340230209
Yeah, and a lot of criminal gangs
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>>340229475

They did a great job of keeping it modest and in hints and themes, not just in your face or over the top retro. Like there's a vibe of the Landsneckt's ripped sleeves/pants here, a sallet on this guy's helmet https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/72/5a/83/725a838f64a9e93800a282f4be97b9b4.jpg crazy china bitch had the obvious Spanish neck-frill thing http://www.neondystopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/deus_ex_costume.png
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>>340230078
Like APB Reloaded but cyberpunk and not total shit

I'd play it desu
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>>340230226
>What makes cyberpunk cities so alluring and attractive to the human perception?
Did you just read a thesaurus or what? I get you want to sound smarter than strawman steampunk fans but this is just clunky phrasing.
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>>340230209
police is litterally a gang so it could work as a faction kinda like APB
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>>340217153
Cyber. Steam is for anachronistic faggots who wear fedoras and say "my lady" unironically.
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>>340230226
>order
Most of the time it's just a mess of lights, signs and a mix of shanties and highrises. I'd say it has more to do with color/contrast.
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>>340230323
china bitch, news bitch and robo legs bitch all have that frill in some form.
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>>340229475
>>340230323
Didn't you keep up with the game before release? The developers literally wouldn't shut up about it, plus the trailers make some obvious as fuck references to it.
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>>340217153

>Cyberpunk
For those faggots that meme about "born too soon to explore the stars"

>Steampunk
Faggots that used to post "born in the wrong century" all the time in youtube
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steampunk: Weeaboo faggots who jerk off over Final Fantasy: more androgynous girls edition
cyberpunk: gentlement of distinguished taste in RPGs
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>There are people in this thread that pick steam over cyber
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Steampunk is a decent idea that has NEVER been implemented well. While Cyberpunk gets plenty of fine concept.

Maybe it's because Steaqmpunk is so far removed from our society technologically that it's harder for a writer to wrap their heads around. Cyberpunk is like the real world, but darker, gritter, more advanced tech.
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>>340230576

I prefer not to bother with that kind of thing. I have some good friends with similar tastes that do and I feel like I'm better off asking them if games are any good. Saves me the trouble of buying crap at release like most people.
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>>340230653
is there a version of this gif without pepe?
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>>340230497
yeah bright neon color does that well
they often look like over-saturated environment
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>>340230676
cyberpunk is a type of setting that can pretty much span any genre, but with steampunk it _has_ to be fantasy
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>>340230676
steampunk is literally fantasy
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>>340230653
I just like cyber more because I fucking love robots.
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>>340230676

They're entitled to their inferior taste.

Is what it is.
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>>340219753

B for Deus Ex and Matrix agents.

C for 80's street gangs.
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Im bit surprised that there isnt Shadowrun Online yet. Just make it like The Secret World but with better combat.
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>>340226821
The Major is bisexual because Shirow didn't want to draw the ass of a man.

Now he draws horsecock.

Make of that what you will.
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Cyberpunk is generic as fuck.
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>>340230676

>how to write cyberpunk
Get a crazy prediction about some tendency of society and base the foundation of the world around that
ie. The filthy 1% rich get even fucking richer till they control everything like the illuminati

>how to write steampunk
tip your fedora
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>>340230323

Heck you could content Namir is kind of that walking anatomy painting like Leonardo and others were doing.

Then of course this obvious one.

>>340230576

Oh yeah that's where I first heard about it before release.
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I know this isn't the place to ask, but is akira at all cyberpunk-y?
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>>340230726
That's what user reviews are for
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I want to live in tokyo just so I can live in a half-way-there cyberpunk city
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>>340231020
No, it's neo cubist
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I have to choose between skintight catsuits versus semi-accurate corsets.

The dilemma.
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>>340231050
>implying user review cant be spammed.
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>>340230961
what ? what do you mean generic that doesn't makes sense
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>>340231178
Well no shit you gotta filter out people spamming memes
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>>340231098
Spend a day in New York City. Its a bizarre fusion of Art Deco and Cyberpunk.
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>>340231161
cyberpunk has corsets, dumbass. it's the fucking future.
EVERYBODY in a steampunk setting wear corset, it's cancer.
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I really like steampunk/dieselpunk if the aesthetic is done correctly instead of tumblr-tier cogs on everything. It's very industrial.

Gotta say that nothing beats cyberpunk, though. Something about the harsh, dystopian reality that could be reality is more engaging.
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>>340231373

Corsets are the female trenchcoat.

Horn-rimmed glasses are the female fedora
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>>340217153
I never understood why the blade runner pistol had two triggers
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>>340226821
>you will never make a girl cum so hard her batteries fall out
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I could never understood the fascinating of Steampunk. It literally just looks like the entire world is ran by pocket watches.
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>>340231161
There is no choice
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>>340222415
Female Cyborg (male)
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>>340230772
Not that i know. But i would also very much like to find it.
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>>340231098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l4MyDUi8Rc

Everything seems so clean and efficient there. Even their cars, they're all boxy and look like they are meant to be stacked side by side, back to front for maximum packing efficiency.
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>>340217153
I can appreciate a good steampunk setting. I can appreciate cyber everything else.
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>>340217153
cyber every time
steam a shit
in b4 punk suffix attached to anything else that shit is retarded
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WHERE MY BROZOUFS AT?
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>>340231520
that's not corset
this is closer
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>>340231458
>Horn-rimmed glasses are the female fedora
Hipster girls started wearing those glasses because "omg so nerdy and querky", they're the opposite of greasy fedora neckbeards
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>>340221247
"Shit's fucked" era
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>>340230772
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>>340230772
There is, but I can't find it
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>>340231550
Here you go
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>>340231662
To this day, I'm still amazed at how many gameplay hours I can get out of "just point your minigun and mow down hordes of enemies" if the dev just throws in a level-up system or three
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>>340231662
e.y.e is high fantasy :^)
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>No /v/ section of some cyber city
>Cant gang up and hack shit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RScZrvTebeA
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>>340227203
Perturbator is the fucking king of synthwave.
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>>340231893

.....what?
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>>340226137
actually
it's coming out this june 21st

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x393waFKDw
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>>340231020
>>340231143
It's shit is what it is, I was expecting cyberpunk biker gang mischief and the state cracking down but all that goes away after the mid point and it becomes some shitty supernatural horror instead.

And the scenes in the Olympic stadium were fucking disgusting.

Really disappointed with it, its a solid cyberpunk movie up until the part that Tetsuo goes nuts, and even a little before that.

Basically once Tetsuo runs off with Kaneda's bike, it takes a turn for the worse. And becomes more supernatural and shit.

Everything before that is great though, its cyberpunk as fuck.
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>>340230323
Holy shit I've never noticed the puffy sleeves and leggings. That's fucking rad.
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>>340231865
It's 40k crossed with Blade Runner you stupid Jian.
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By far the best Cyberpunk Anime
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>>340228753
Arcanum is as steampunk as it gets.
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>>340231847
E.Y. E. gunplay is some of the most fluid I ever enjoyed, especially gun + swordplayer it just flows so well in combat

I can only hope Cyberpunk 2077 will be this fluid
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>>340231706
Also the message on the right, and upper purple panels says "The birth of a new day", for that melancholic feel.
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>tfw you were born too early to experience a cyberpunk world
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>>340219518
It's more that most people just assume all generic sci-fi is cyberpunk without understanding what the tenants of it really are
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>>340232030
>Pieces of city are like guilds
>You can control them as gangs
>Other gangs can try to take them from you
>Gang wars happen
>Winner takes control of the piece of city
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>>340230930
>Now he draws horsecock.
What
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>>340232036
>Supernatural
>Not metaphysical
Why are cyberpunk fans so dumb? Its not like the whole film doesn't have an whole spiritual theme throughout.
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>>340232196
>>>/t/645806
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>>340232335
Look his recent stuff up on Sadpanda.
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Jesus Christ when will someone invent computer brains and cybernetic implants?
I want to my body to be hacked
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>>340217550
actually believing that
/v/irgins aren't as smart as they think, and reddit isn't that terrible.
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>>340231683

-They are a fashion relic from a long bygone era.
-They are worn without the requisite fashion accessories but instead with modern day attire
-They are worn with physiques woefully unlike those from the era they belonged to. Men are not Neal Caffrey, women are not that blonde poochie bitch on the flash TV show.
-They are contradictory to modern fashion. Men aren't supposed to wear hats, women aren't supposed to wear fucking 50 year old Librarian glasses.
-They are exceedingly often an immediate tell-tale sign of the person being a dipshit idiot. Greasy fedora neckbeard MRA in one case, whiny triggered FUPA tumblrista on the other.

Granted the fedora can be worn by skinnyfat skellingtons or blobs like the horn rimmed can be worn by pixie boyish girls or hambeasts.
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>>340232314

If this isn't an idea for a game you are seriously being some kind of unbelievable fucktwat.
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I hope we get a proper psycho pass game, although that VN shit looks alright.

Hopefully it's on PC.
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>>340232398
Whatever it was it just wasn't what I was expecting.

I want my cyberpunk grounded in a certain realism that all the ESP elements and horror shit in the film didn't deliver.

It was cool but not the type of cyberpunk I was looking for.
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>>340232437
Have fun getting hacked by some nerd on the internet and being forced to kill yourself.
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>>340232438

We're not that smart but at least we discuss the particulars rather than voting on what posts you like or dislike. Which is completely fucking retarded.
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>>340232662
>The sweet release of cyber death
>Bad
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>>340232662
not if I kill myself first lmao
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Cyberpunk 2077 at E3?
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POST SYNTHWAVE YOU FUCKS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er416Ad3R1g
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>>340231373
Post them then.

Please?
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>>340232662
>getting hacked and forced to suck dick with no way to resist

boner why
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>>340232662
mfw i will be that nerd
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>>340232568
So whats wrong with it then? I think gang pvp system would be great.
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>>340232662
The thought of a hacker having full access and control over my body is my greatest fetish
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>>340232631
That because it did the right thing and used its setting for the story instead of being about the setting itself. You're basically upset it didn't try to be shallow action with a pretty background.
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>>340232938
>>340232835
sluts
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>>340232801
>tfw I've been looking for this video for ages with the stupidest goddamn keywords
god bless
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>>340232995
Cheers mate
It's probably the coolest fucking music video I've ever seen
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>>340232801
Aw yeah Carpenter Brut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFfybn_W8Ak
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>>340232897
I think you're dumb and i hate you.
Fucking faggot.
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>>340232835
That's kinda hot desu
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>>340232863
Can anyone tell me what anime this is from?
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>>340230676
>what is Arcanum
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>>340232801
>that music video
Holy shit, my fucking face when
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>>340233145
Nazca
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>>340233125
Okay. Im sorry i offended you.
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>>340232969
>and used its setting for the story instead of being about the setting itself.

PATLABOR film does the same without managing to resort to psychic wankery BS

I feel like all that diminished what could have otherwise been a more interesting story with the Colonel trying to deal with biker gangs and terrorist bombing one one side, and the government increasingly growing distrusting of him and limiting his powers on the other.

I'm just saying it feels like a waste of a good setting, they basically abandoned what was good about the setting after Tetsuo turns into a power obsessed maniac.

I'm not saying its a bad film at all its just not the kind of cyberpunk I was interested in.
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>>340232801
WARNING: VIDEO CONTAINS
-ROBOTS
-TITTIES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTN6cGmH2yM
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>>340232801
>>340233071
>>340232995
>>340233253
I bet you enjoyed Kung Fury too.
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Cyberpunk that is heavily influenced by 80's retrofuturism
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>>340233145
The anime that's called "you are not the boss of me now" :^)

Jikuu Tenshou Nazca
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Cyber of course: drugs, whores and all around degeneracy.

Steam is old cockney men.
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>>340217153
I wish steam punk wasn't about disgusting British people all the time. Where's my German industry with perfect organization?
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>>340220967
BladeRunner is arguably cybernoir
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>>340233362
Aw fuck yeah I love this fucking song and the video, and the rest of the album, and Perturbator in general and the retro-synth style, I love synths yeah, damn I love this shit.
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RECCOMEND ME A GOOD CYBERPUNK GAME ON STEAM

SOMETHING RECENT AND ACTUALLY WORTH PLAYING
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>>340233513
Shadowrun
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>>340233414
Kung fury had exactly one good joke in it, and it was the fight choreography being horribly mismatched

The rest of it was pretty garbage honestly
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>>340233414
Never saw it
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>>340217153
It's all shit but steamshit is even shittier
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