>mfw Star Fox Zero failed
Star Fox ZeroSales
I just don't understand why it's so hard for them to just make Star Fox 64 2. Every time they do a bunch of stupid shit and every time the feedback in the same.
I get that the big cheese visionaries or whatever might not want to make a rehash of a nearly 20 year old game but it can't be that hard to set aside a small team to work on a downloadable £15 title that is basically just a Star Fox 64 level pack with current visuals.
>>340187861
Star Fox ZeroIdeas
>>340187772
>a game that belongs to an outdated as fuck genre doesn't impress anymore
Next time you'll act surprised when a MUD game flops
>>340189097
Nintendo is probably never gonna release Melee HD. Why would they bother with a game that sold even less?
I thought it was a pretty decent game.
>>340189631
I just don't get why they're so content to rehash every other franchise they have but insist on constantly fucking Star Fox up when it's the one franchise they have that actually needs a rehash more than anything else.
>>340189802
It is.
It's just lacking in 2-3 more levels and an honest-to-god multiplayer mode. If it had those it would've fared better.
The controls were the LEAST of the game's problems. Retards blew it way the fuck out of proportion and it became a meme and the "lel bad controls" meme killed the game. Sad.
>>340189097
Because Miyamoto can't understand what people are looking for when they want a sequel. That's what happens when you have been in the industry as long as he has and you're surrounded by people who are afraid of correcting you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJhNCo4kjSI&index=17&list=LLFVfmFB-6Inq4TbDFuDbEGQ
>>340187772
It didn't really fail
It still is a properly made Star Fox game by fundements
Aka it knows what a star fox game is
There were a lot of improvements to the formula especially all range mode
All it needs now is a sequel with a non-repeat story and more control options, because shitposting, the gyro is still a good aiming system and works when your not a bitch
Maybe fix it a bit so people can stop having panic attacks about it or give multiple options
My point is, it is far from dead, just shaky step into perfection
>>340190287
It was a combination of that, but it was working in their favor because those defending Zero were getting severely butthurt from it that it got to the point that if you had other issues, they'd accuse you of lying and claim you only hate it for the controls. I saw a post from a guy that was so passive it was hilariousHis post had Fox really pissed off and having him bitch at the users saying "THE CONTROLS WORK PEOPLE!!!". Another guy I think made a post mocking it
>>340190554
Except Zero is exactly what a sequel should be
Ignore the gyro controls it is literally the best follow up to 64 to date
>>340190806
>Except Zero is exactly what a sequel should be
It's not even fitting of being called a sequel. It's a remake through and through, and not even a very good one.
>>340190806
>Zero
>A proper follow up
Except no one liked it, not even journalists liked it and admit retelling the same stupid plot arc is retarded.
>>340190762
There are some legit complaints in that pic, like the lack of an expert mode, branching paths, and no final Andross form, but most of it is faggotnerd filler with a Mandark voice complaining about the littlest shit.
The game was garbage but it did set the stepping stones for a good game so I wouldn't say it failed
A sequel with more creativity, more control options, multiplayer for fucks sake and an overal longer game will make it perfect
Star Fox Zero's short campaign wouldn't be a problem if the game was set up with mutliple playthroughs for the secret levels that the game does have quite a bit of
Except the level select system kills the entire point of it
If your going to have a level select system, don't fucking bother, just make the game longer cause it kills the point of replaying the whole game, there is no synergy with having both of these, it just makes an already short game even shorter
>>340191228
It actually does work
>Deluded fags think your allies are deep and important in some way
>Zero blows that right the fuck out as they're all useless, to be fair they werent as helpful in 64 either except for Slippy
>The interviews really did claim that the portals were very important in the game
>Is complete bullshit, all they do is unlock a hidden boss or bonus stage, doesnt effect anything as many speculated, Fox knowing about it right at the start somehow is legitimately retarded because it makes the plot more of a mess
I've seen this before, and really thinking on it, it makes sense to why those would be mentioned.
>>340189097
>I just don't understand why it's so hard for them to just make Star Fox 64 2
Because it won't sell in today's market. Period. I loved 64 as much as the next guy, but making strictly a rail shooter game these days appeals to practically NOBODY except for a few niche nostalgia-stricken fans. Every other big Nintendo franchise (from Mario to Zelda to Pokemon) has dipped into other game genres either to improve the main releases or else to make decent spinoffs. We wouldn't have gotten Mario rpgs or a first-person Metroid if Nintendo didn't deviate from its formulas every so often.
Modern Star Fox could still have on-rails sections, but by now we should have fucking customizeable vehicles, some semblance of freeroaming (especially to places outside of the Lylat system), a continuing story with threats besides Andross "I'll get you next time!" the Floating Head, and a strong multiplayer community. I want to fucking see what's inside the Great Fox that was apparently bought with an 80-year loan.
>>340190982
>>340190762
You guys are comparing 2 different design approaches
That's extreme bias
64 was built on successful objectives to give you the routes and secret levels
Zero was built around coming back with new objectives that lead to new missions
Other than that I agree
But your still nitpicking little things just to force a bigger negative to cloud the positives
The game did some good shit like the action presentation and All Range mode being the best it's ever been
Again, a sequel with more creativity, control options and little fixed will make it perfect
>>340192029
>The game did some good shit like the action presentation and All Range mode being the best it's ever been
If by best presentation you mean press somersault to win, because that's exactly what the fuck happens throughout every fight in the entire game.
I kind of still want it, but for ~20 dollars. Is it even worth that? The price should drop with all the stories of unsold copies/copies flooding gamestop
>>340187772
>Krystalfags will blame the game not doing well on the fact that Krystal wasn't in it.
>>340192538
What do you mean? They're laughing at that.
>Purists are asshurt their game failed that they still keep coming up with excuses to defending it
>They'll ignore Splatoon or any other recent game performance for simply being popular, even though Zero is supposed to be the reimagining of a "popular" game (64)
I like Krystal
>>340191383
>Except the level select system kills the entire point of it
Because the game was built that way, as Miyamoto himself even wanted it to be. Even >>340190762 points it out.
Zero was a pick up and play shit game the minute he was involved, but I bet even if he wasnt, Nintendo EAD would've still made it shit in some way while Platinum just sits there wondering what the fuck are they doing.
To me this is almost a repeat of the Sakamoto situation with Team Ninja when making Other M.Team Ninja could've made a good game, but Sakamoto was insistent with his stupid ideas that it baffled even the newest recruits of the dev team
>>340187772
Haha Star fox Zero? More like more like more like more like more like more like star fafdjklfjcdjlbvlgfddl;
>>340192267
>Game comes out, didnt look like it was a major seller as there wasnt that many picking it up in my state, there wasnt even a midnight launch except for one location
>In less than a week, there's already a preowned copy and many locations
I didnt even sell my copy of Splatoon until after the final update, you know you fucked up if your game's already getting traded in that quickly.
>worst-selling Star Fox
>on worst-selling Nintendo game
I seriously doubt this will impact the series.
>>340187772
Should've made a new F-Zero with online multiplayer instead. Nintendo is so fucking stupid.
>>340192029
>Implying there were any objectives in either game
>64 at least had a justified reason for getting a new route, whereas Zero doesnt
>Implying the secret levels are good
>Implying Zero ives you new objectives when you play the same level again other than make the plot even more fanficy when you somehow encounter a Star Wolf member or a portal
>>340194579
>Some tried saying it's failure was because of it's timing of release, around the WiiUs end
>Yet Splatoon did phenomenally well a year before this, Hyrule Warriors even along with almost every other game that released that year
>>340194821
That almost did happen, but guess what dev team rejected it? Wasnt one of Nintendos teams, but I believe the Burnout dev team.
>>340191979
The fact that we have NOT gotten 4v4 Online Multiplayer with one team as SF and the other as SW just shows how disconnected Nintendo is
>>340187772
it sold worse than Wonderful 101 which unfortunately sold less than the AC amiibo shitshow or that awful Mario Tennis
>>340187772
>Krystal fags continue to hate on a perfectly good game
>Krystal fags still pretend that Krystal is relevant
Well no shit it failed.
Besides 64, Starfox was always a mediocre franchise.
Also nintendo's decision to have Platinum develop it was fucking retarded. Platinum isn't accustomed to making on rail shooters so why? Why not Retro Studios? Unless they're dead since I haven't heard shit from them Since Metroid Prime 3
>>340195050
fuck, anon. I had totally forgotten that. FUUUUCK.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Burnout and F-Zero are pretty much the only racing series I care about, and Burnout 3 is the only game that ever gave me something close to the sense of speed of the F-Zero games.
>>340189631
They did its calledSmash4
>>340195486
They've made one good and one amazing dk game after prime 3 retard.
>>340191383
except there wont be a sequel because Miyamoto thinks the problems with the game are
-Nobody cares about Star Fox anymore
-Too hard
>>340187772
So now that Star Fox is officially dead, can we get a bare bones F-Zero game so it finally rests in peace and the fans can fuck off and Nintendo can focus on where their true talent lies in Mario and Zelda?
>>340189483
>ideas
Krystal DLC
>>340196452
Oh yeah I forgot tropical freeze.
Then there was no excuse for Nintendo to choose Platinum over Retro.
The final boss fight was Sonic Generations-levels of bad.
>>340195486
>those kids who never owned a GC thinking Assault was not a good game.
If Assault kept the map screen ya'lld be praising it as the best game in the series.
Is there a better Star Fox girl than Krystal?
>>340198164
I would consider Assault to be the second best in the starfox series. The game just felt dull. I didn't care too much for the walking segments, and the aparoids were a stupid idea for a boss.
Basically
64>>>>>>>>>Assault>Zero>Adventures>>>shit>>>Command
>>340192779
>>340194579
I agree with you mostly because it wasn't all that popular with the younger audiences in the first place. It is as niche as Fire Emblem was before the whole Awakening popularity boom.
>>340198767
I COULD JUST KISS YOU
This only makes Nintendo's last year E3 presentation sadder.
All that hype and build-up only to be a mediocre experience.
I'm glad at least Iwata didn't have to witness Zero being a colossal flop.
>>340198164
Have you played it recently? Do you remember how shitty the Landmaster controlled? Or how boring and numerous the on foot missions were?
>>340198164
Star Fox Zero is by far better than Assault. One of the bosses in the game is basically one of Assault's bosses but actually fun and exciting.
>>340187772
Instead of Platinum, SF0 should have been developed byCAVE, as an arcade bullet hell
>>340192029
>Zero was built around coming back with new objectives that lead to new missions
You mean locking onto an enemy to fly through a portal or a boring search for medals?
>>340199686
it has 1 shit foot map
one is the aparoid base and take fucking forever to run around
the city was alright
Guys, it's time to stop. Nintendo is worst, just stop guys.. stop. There's no reason to give nintendo money, they don't have rare anymore, there won't be another goldeneye. You can stop giving them money.
>>340201136
Sauria was also fucking shit
>>340201360
Playtonic
>>340199964
Zero has no multiplayer and Assualt has GOAT multiplayer.
Zero has no new story and Assault does have a new story.
Assault wins.
Blame Shiggy
Why couldn't he die with Iwata?
Well if nobody else is gonna do it
>>340201136
So you liked the ground in Fichina?
>>340201713
It's time to stop.
find me even one game on the wii u that isn't the worst selling of it's respective franchise. The console was just DOA
>>340189829
i think you mean Metroid
>>340197904
except that retro is most likely knee deep in developing an NX game
What would you do with a pocket Krystal?
>>340204497
I would play with her and give her a pocket fox to snuggle with, obviously.
https://mynintendonews.com/2016/06/02/zhugeex-says-that-star-fox-zero-was-not-profitable-at-all/
>less than 500K sales
>mfw Starfox is truly dead
i almost played the full tutorial but decided i didn't care enough to put up with the controller view setup.
post Krystal
>>340210943
Cute
>>340212786
There's never enough Star Fox
>>340211710
>>340212786
>inb4otters
>>340213726
Otters are gay
>>340209562
Didn't a few anons warn this a year ago?
>>340214710
not thecuntboylooking ones
>>340215389
It wasn't exactly hard to predict
>>340216136
>I brame srippy
>>340216616
No he doesn't, Shiggy likes worst character
>>340217554
he doesnt like Krystal
Skippy is worst Star Fox
>>340190762
>Makes Command's bad writing look decent
LMAO
>>340189097
they did that with zero and that's why its shit
>>340218074
>ImplyingIf you're gonna try using that one thing, you realize that really applies to Katt
>>340189097
Because if nintendo tries new things, nostalgiafags will cry NOT MUH 64, but if they do stick to their roots, everyone else will cry MUH REHASH. Star Fox fans are just like Zelda fans: entitled, whiny, and divisive. They don't even know what they want anymore, and it's all because of the fanbase overrating their N64 counterparts
>>340220887
What do you mean?Seriously?
>Fay will never ever be brought back
This world is only made for suffering
>>340221229Some retarded thing he said when Nintendogs +Cats was new. It really has nothing to do with that, but some retards do, not realizing that really effects Katt
>>340190554
>Shiggy was put in charge of a task force to show people that the WiiU gamepad was worthwhile and SFZ and Guard were all he came up with
I don't know if that's more depressing than SFZ failing
>>340216136
>>340215389
Some people were denying it though, like "no it's totally going to do well and be GOTY" or the general "fuck off it doesnt need to change", but guess what the fuck happened?
>>340196117
laffinand no Project Murdered/Melee Special Olympics/Fanfiction Melee isn't a successor either especially when devs ran off due to pressure, the frame limit, match-up not flourishing, autocombo shit, and the "next version" being worser than the Gold version of P.Meme.if i wanted to play a better melee, i'd just play optional mods like 20XX or SD Remixand your shit Sm4shlee mods will never see the day happen due to lazy ego modders in the community
huge SF64 fan, here. (first SF game i've played was Assault, loved them both)
What Zero did right:
- quality of rails segments
- Star Wolf battles
- character designs
What Zero did wrong:
- controls, gamepad, etc.
- gyrowing
- walker overuse
- walker controls
- all range mode
- boss battles (being in all range mode)
- all range mode lock on (no laser reticle? really?)
- horribly inaccurate tv screen reticle
- barrel rolls on control stick only
- the way they made their path and unlock system
- only one andross battle
- some levels feel really half-assed
- reimagined plot consistency being more off than Command (despite the horrible fanficiton SFC has)
if you want a better Star Fox 64 experience just go get 643D. it has an expanded multiplayer w/ bots, new maps, and control options that let's you play with gyro or simply basic.
i honestly don't get why Miyamoto didn't just save it for the NX instead?
>>340223389
>Phred seriously defends Zero because his fuck buddies say so
There's also that guy who calls himself Fox Mccloud on miiverse who's a huge faggot about it on top of thinking he's the "#1 fan"He'll block you if you dont agree with him, like a certain blue bear. Shit he's even 30
Miyu < Krystal > Fay > Katt < Fara
>>340221940
Miyamoto should have listened to /v/. All those posts are from a year ago and it turns out they were correct.
>>340223960
What is this some sort of hierarchy?Fay>Miyu>Katt>Krystal>Fara(lol)
>>340223960
katt's good bro, she's a cutie
>>340224127
>Solatorobo despite performing poorly has a cult following
>Has at least six or more waifus ingame, and are loved by everyone in Japan and outside, Opera from my guess being the top tier of the bunch
>Has plenty of merch you can get (I think)
>Star Fox Zero doesnt have that much of a following and failed miserably
>Doesnt have any waifu material, Katt and even that one girl didnt help it in the slightest
>Having Krystal, Miyu, Fay, Amanda, Lucy, and even Fara would've caused a boost
>Doesnt have any merch
>>340224698
Would waifuism even help Star Fox though? I kinda get the feeling the series is too far gone; tainted by mediocrity game after game.Solatorobo isn't a good game either btw, and is only notable for waifus
>>340218074
>>340189097
it's not because of 64 or even nostalgia, it's because that Miyamoto is completely out of touch. he thought that adding more useless gimmicks into the game, putting more emphasis on all-range mode, forced controls after a remake having controls options for gyro or normal, and changing up Venom into a giant dimension house for Andross would help tge game to be seen as a good fresh start to Star Fox again or as a good successor to SF64.
this fucking gook produced all the Star Fox games since 64 and the GCN games yet still haven't studied his success or mistakes in Star Fox.
just imagine if he did an Assault Zero, think of all the things he'd do to fuck it up like Zero. probably remove usage of the arwing in ground levels because he thought the gyrowing would be much better. or shorten the multiplayer content because he thought online would be just enough. (just imagine the Wolf players.)
>>340224698
I still need to play this fucking game, holy shit
>>340223893
I really like that Star Fox cartoon but the guy's opinions about the games are kind of shitty. He's also a Krystal hater.
Star Fox Zero's sales numbers speak for themselves, though. If this was the Star Fox game the fans had been waiting for it would not be the worst selling game in the series. I think the people who like it generally fall into four camps:
1) people who genuinely love it (I question their tastes but fair enough)
2) people who were so desperate for anything new relating to Star Fox that they don't care about the quality
3) People who hate Krystal so rabidly that not having Krystal is pretty much the only criteria needed for it to be a "good" Star Fox game in their minds
4) Hardcore Nintendo fanboys who are so desperate for a game to make the Wii U relevant, that they must praise SFZ out of brand loyalty even if they didn't like it
There's really no excuse for why the game is selling so badly, and the most common excuse I see cited is that customers are stupid and they can't git gud at it. These people seem to be pretty much inept at the concept of self-reflection, and can't accept the idea that maybe there is something fundamentally wrong with the game that is turning off customers and fans.
>>340224882
If Fire Emblem was saved that way, then it would be necessary to do so with Star Fox.
Solatorobo was retardedly easy in gameplay, but if you arent familiar, the shit they put into the lore was phenomenal.I own all three of the artbooks, it's ridiculous the amount of effort they put into it
>>340224882
Not him, but i would buy SF right now if it just had all the characters back and multiplayer.
Then through new arcade rail levels and we're all set.
Zero tried with the levels, but it was just shallow and boring tbqh.
>>340224349
>>340225353
>>340224698
>>Having Krystal, Miyu, Fay, Amanda, Lucy, and even Fara would've caused a boost
look i know how much you want to expand the Star Fox universe and keep everyone together but haven't you learned from Command?
even Krystal, hell anyone, wouldn't save that second PoS that is SF Zero. it'll have more defenders and the anti-SF64IDF for the game at least, yet it'll still sell and treated like shit.
also, Solatorobo was my shit.
>>340225613
Here's the thing, nobody acknowledges Cpmmand, not even Nintendo as much as they did release it on the WiiU VC. It's the one game nobody considers canon, those who do will say the Fox and Krystal ending is canon because it has no bullshit, everyone gets back together and ventures off on a new adventure, Amanda joins as the fifth member while Peppy just continues being the general>You can link the Marcus ending to Dash becoming the new Andross
>>340224698
>Having Krystal, Miyu, Fay, Amanda, Lucy, and even Fara would've caused a boost
Seriously, the animated short had at least two qts everyone latched onto, then the game goes and is a sausage fest.
Way to drop the ball.
>>340225519
>>340226265
Not to mention the storytelling in the anime short was about 10x more entertaining than in the game itself. The game was a dreadfully predictable rehash of Star Fox 64 and the anime short set expectations way higher than what the game itself actually delivered.
>>340225259
>>If Fire Emblem was saved that way, then it would be necessary to do so with Star Fox.
FE was saved due to dev retracing back to their original audience (the japs) and Awakening welcoming newcomers to the series. Zero did none of the latter and basically gave out a dish of shit to people that wanted 64 with SF2 elements and everyone back.
i'll be honest, if the anime short didn't spark the furs to come and buy Zero due to hints of a super-expansive lively ME-like universe in future titles, i doubt Krystal or the SF2 gals will do the job.
>>340226743
The short was on par of that of Maverick Hunter X's The Day of Sigma short, it wouldnt of helped either way. It wasnt even tied to Zero whereas the X short was.
>Pepper: Dont let him find out what happened Peppy
>Peppy: Yes sir
>Peppy or Pepper do not do anything to stop you in the game when you get far
>>340226743
>if the anime short didn't spark the furs to come and buy Zero due to hints of a super-expansive lively ME-like universe in future titles
The reason it didn't is because everyone already knew the truth about the game, and even though the short was exciting and fun most people who were following the game knew it wasn't representative of the game itself. Good marketing can't always save a bad product from its own reputation.
>>340196117
It sold more though
>>340227275
i swear if the all the purposely left out shit in Zero was mostly sequel bait if the game ended up as successful (which didn't)
-Andross was still making implications that Pepper isn't up to no good with the portal devices either
-pic related in the model viewer
-Roadmaster being end game content
-Fox coming back from Sauria in the anime
and there was an recent interview about Miyamoto talking how monkeys and a dog enemies in nature (via japanese lore) and other shit.
>>340227574
this
>inb4 "muh combined units!"
if Sm4sh WiiU didn't have Amiibos or even a 3DS version, it'd be dead in water as quick as you can say "AHHHH I'M HIT!".
nintendo and sakurai knew it wasn't going to be easy to sell Smash like Brawl this time around, so they were lucky to hit gold on the 3DS audience and use Smash as a testing ground for Amiibos to save it.
They should've just ported and made a new campaign for the SNES version of Star Fox to the 3DS.
It would've sold better, looked better, and probably been better.
>>340228947
Nope, nobody cares about the SNES game, many will even admit it's a tech demo game
There was absolutely no reason to remake Star Fox 64 other than because Miyamoto has lost his marbles and doesn't know how to write a story.
https://youtu.be/onScwrHP2g0
>>340228045
>Implying what Miyamoto says matters
Trust me, he's not one to rely on
>>340229759
I had more fun with the SNES game than any other game in the series. Best music, best aesthetics. If the game ran at a higher framerate it would probably still stand on its own.
>>340230317
I miss early NoA marketing
>be Miyamoto
>take 64
>take SF2's walker
>ignore 643D's new multiplayer and controls options
>remove and replace a couple of more things from 64
>add useless shit like Gyrowing and a R.O.B. ripoff
>leave out sequel baits and inconsistency on Zero's story on Andross v Pepper
>hold back good shit like Roadmaster and Andross' physical forme on a unlockable model viewer
>make Katt look like Miyu for what reason
>tell PG to paint it in HD
>slap star fox on a certain project that won't sell alone
>forget Giant Robot
>release game with a pile of fuck you and shit
Zero was a big disappointment
>>340230496
Not really, the music was the only good thing from it. Warioware technically did make a 60fps SNES Star Fox
>>340230838
For one thing it's more challenging than any other game in the series. Going down the hardest route actually requires some skill. I played that game so much my copy hardly works anymore.
>>340231013
Kinda sorta, the only challenging thing is Great Cmmander, but you have to think the bullshit hit detection for that.
>Required to have a full set of bombs to take him out with ease, but you can still fuck this up and spend minutes playing Joust.
the Krystal hate is overrated, seriously.
>>340190554
This is why I always make fun of Nintendrones, your games suck
>>340231787
Remember the Otter thread?
That was a good "StarFox" thread.
>>340233076
i did
all the images were cute
too bad the janimod was finished jerking off before the thread hits 500posts
>>340190762
I love the 'my opinion is more important because is on a image' argument.
But it was one of the best selling games the month it released.
>>340233224
Im surpised the thread got that fucking good.
Almost no shitposting either once the otter came into play
>>340233291
>worth selling Star Fox title at launch in japan
>10th place on US retail sales in April
>still flunking
you know what else that was best selling for a few months?
Metroid: Other M, and that was when before Nintendo took action on why the game isn't selling a million as they've hoped.it's been nearly 7 years and Other M still hasn't broke a million yet.
>>340216085
Oh hi, anon
hey at least it's not Warcraft the Movie
>thread is dying as I arrive
Wake up!
I think if Nintendo market it as Star Fox 64 HD they would be more honest and sales would be higher
>>340235768
That one did poorly?
>>340236249
nah, too shit to be one.
a HD collection of all games would've been nice
>>340236295
>legend of jenny and renamon
the first only came out 5 years ago
so why does it feel like a decade?
>>340236295
gotten a red on metacritic and a 17% on rottentomatoes
>>340236249
>I think if Nintendo market it as Star Fox 64 HD they would be more honest and sales would be higher
They did though, and 643D still failed
Something like >>34023654 would've been more acceptable
>Star Fox Trilogy
>Contains a more HD version of 64, basically 643D but on a console
>Adventures is brought over with the same treatment, obviously removing a logo as the same company did when they made their collection of gamesRare Replay, and trust me, Neo-Rare is extremely bitter towards Nintendo and everyone else, even themselves. It'd be a bonus if they expanded it or made it so you play as both Fox and Krystal throughout the game
>Assault gets a major overhaul in graphics, but the gameplay and multiplayer
>Command gets fucked hard in that it't not there
>The manga that takes place between post 64 and before Adventures is there
>Some other shit on the line of what Sonic Mega Collection had
>>340198767
Katt.
Any R63 version of Star Fox/Star Wolf.
Miyu, Faye, Lucy, Fara.
Krystal is only better than Amanda and that's itm
>>340236957
>and 643D still failed
actually it succeeded
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/nintendo-fan-club-1000001/miyamoto-quotstar-fox-will-be-reborn-if-people-pur-28795969/
643D was the only reason they've bothered with Zero, seeing if there's any left interest on Star Fox.
fuck it even got Nintendo Select.
too bad the interest is going low since Zero is basically just a worser version of 64 but in "HD".
fuck you Miyamoto
>>340201780
Assault's story was trash though.
>b-but it was new
It was also shit anon and so was Command, does anybody even remember the villains in that?
>>340232429
Oldschool Nintendo was great. There's a reason why there's more demand for used SNES consoles than there is for the Wii U. Somewhere along the way though, they lost sight of why people ever liked them in the first place. They isolated and fortified themselves as an exclusive club rather than trying to reach out to the developers who grew up playing their games, and ended up losing generations of talent to other companies. Nintendo's developers are getting old and they have no-one to replace them with-- Miyamoto being the most prime example.
>>340237578
>fuck it even got Nintendo Select.
Last I checked, it didnt, OoT3D, DKR3DS, and another game got it. Star Fox didnt get shit for the Selects
>>340224698
Giving it over to waifufaggotry would not do a thing for Star Fox
And if you had any say I bet it would be waifus only and no husbandos
>>340234624
Man, even Star Fox Command sold over 500k copies, and that was considered the biggest failure in the franchise history. Command was the first Star Fox game that failed to sell over a million copies. Looks like Zero will be the first that fails to sell even half a million.
My expectations for Nintendo get lower every generation and yet they still fail to meet them.
>>340236067
That was a good thread. Gave me a new character to search on E621.
>>340237760
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Selects#Nintendo_3DS
http://store.nintendo.co.uk/games-3ds/nintendo-selects-star-fox-64-3d/11175809.html
it did anon
>>340238069
JUST
>>340236838
Yeah, but it's gonna be profitable.
>>340236957
I think the best way to add Krystal to Star Fox Adventures as a fully playable character would be to add a prequel scenario. Start the game with her landing on Sauria and end it with her heading off to chase down General Scales' airship. It would by necessity probably have to be shorter than the scenario with Fox, but they could have a lot of fun with that.
Also, they could add the boss battle with General Scales back in.
>>340237620
I would rather they try to move the story forward and have a misfire than to keep beating the same tired shit into the ground until no-one cares about the franchise anymore (which is exactly what Miyamoto did with SFZ).
>all these cool franchise-saving ideas for Star Fox by fans
>meanwhile this piece of shit exists
i wonder his smug ass is going to pretend his smelly Star Fox freespace mod is something worth a shit just because Zero bombed like Command.
seriously
>>340238019
Star Fox already has husbandos and it's not enough. Gay furries are too small of a niche compared to waifufags.
>>340192246
That's exactly how it was in SF64.
>>340238408
2016 has been the year of the critic-proof blockbuster so it's possible.
>>340187772
>mfw Krystal/Star Fox threads on /trash/
If your waifu is so great why is your thread so dead?
>>340238653
honestly would've been better to not retell SF64's story and just take off it after 643D
they can keep the portal shit and human andross tho
>>340238718
I could get past the grimdark fanfiction bullshit if the character models weren't so damn ugly.
>>340238767
So what you're saying is it should be more waifus and less husbandos
>>340237334
>>340238653
Not a misfire, two misfires.
No wait...adventures can count.
Three Misfires. When the previous attempts fall flat on their face of course they were going to try going back to familiar ground
>>340239054
Fuck off PantherThe threads were active for quite some time and have still been going. Now if you want to be that way, there was a gay Star Fox thread that died before the recent general thread.
>>340239143
I'm saying there's enough husbandos already. We need more waifus to balance it out. Add more girls to team Star Fox (at least start with Katt and then potentially add others like Miyu and Fay), and give Star Wolf a token hot chick member to bring their count back up to 4.
Maybe have a non-combat appearance from Lucy Hare, but only if they redesign her to look like a proper hot bunny girl instead of whatever bullshit they were going for in Command.
>>340239390
That "familiar ground" wound up being the biggest failure in the franchise's history, so now they will probably just stop making Star Fox games. Is that an improvement over Assault, which may not have been a particularly great space opera yarn but at least put in the effort to be something more than the shadow of Star Fox 64?
>>340239682
A seperate gay thread instead of being in the general Star Fox thread (which is really just a Krystal thread)
Presumably because nobody wants to share a thread with you bitter cunts.
>>340239753
I would simply rather the number be equal if you want to go to the pandering route.
Bring back Panther, Make Sabre a character like what was done with Krystal, Bring obscure characters like Cool in.
It's not going to do shit for sales but hey at least we all get some more porn
>>340239972
We would not be here if Command/Assault/Adventures didn't fuck shit up so fantastically.
>>340235472
>>340236067
IM BACK
IM BACK DONT GOI was watching Gamera
EW: You’ve had great success in your ability to predict what players will find fun to play. Have there been games that you thought would be fun but didn’t turn out that way?
>Shiggy: "Yes, that has definitely happened. In the past we’ve worked with some outside development houses on titles like F-Zero *(anime's GBA spinoffs) and Starfox *(Assault) — and let me just say that we were disappointed with the results. Consumers got very excited about the idea of those games, but the games themselves did not deliver. And, well, to be honest with you, Zelda: Twilight Princess is not doing very well at all in Japan. It is very disappointing. But it is doing okay here in America."
http://www.ew.com/article/2007/05/08/man-who-made-mario-super
Miyamoto is going to get EXTRA CRANKY at Platinum when he sees how's Zero doing...
>>340241793
>when he sees how's Zero doing
You mean he doesnt know yet?
>>340241793
Why does Miyamoto look so creepy?
He looks like a fucking toddler rapist.
>>340242008
i want to sue Sakamoto!
>>340242159
Because he rapes childhoods
I'll see myself out now
>>340242203
me too
>>340242159
because reasons
remember that he's an employee kidnapper
http://www.mtv.com/news/2459107/iwata-accuses-miyamoto-of-random-employee-kidnapping-gdc-2009/
>>340241668
Command is the only one of those games that is actually a failure. It's the only one you mentioned that was not a million seller, and it's the real reason why the franchise went dark for 10 years.
All Nintendo had to do was make a proper sequel to Assault and they would have had another million seller, but MUH INNOVATION.
>>340242360
>Miyamoto has never been arrested for this, Iwata joked. “Where the kidnapped developer is happy, the team has succeeded.”
>>340187772
They had one job and were on the right track.
But forced gimmicks again fucked everything up. Like, I get that the gyro controllers are fun for a while, but that's not what people want. That's entirely the reason I didn't get it and because both new vehicles look like a drag.
>>340242531
after Zero, i don't think Nintendo is capable of doing that now.
especially when Miyamoto been producing all SF games since 64. he could come in and fuck shit up somewhere.
>>340241793
Miyamoto's measure of success seems to be 1) did it push a stupid gimmick at the audience, and 2) did it sell well in Japan. It's understandable that non-gimmicky games that do well in America but not Japan piss him off.
The only exception seems to be Metroid since that franchise wasn't his brain baby to begin with, and he accepted that it was not as popular in Japan. Of course, Sakamoto fell right in line with the "it's not gimmicky and no-one in Japan likes it, so we have to fix it" mentality.
They can't just let it go and accept that some Nintendo franchises appeal heavily to Western tastes but not so much the Japanese, and Miyamoto in particular can't let go of this notion that if a game isn't pushing a silly novelty or a new type of controller, that it's basically like a blank billboard-- i.e., valuable advertising space is being wasted on it.
>>340242965
Why do they have to be odd gimmicks? Like Meteoid Prime Echoes and Corruption had their gimmicks without changing how the core gameplay worked.
>>340241709
Sorry, anon
It's bed timejust one more
>>340242870
>after Zero, i don't think Nintendo is capable of doing that now.
No shit. I am pretty sure Nintendo is done with this franchise for good. The closest we can hope to get is that maybe some desperate fans will make a game similar to Star Fox with space battling furries someday, and the Star Fox fan OC like the 70's-style animated series.And lots of Krystal porn.
Miyamoto and Nintendo pretty much stomped out what little life remained in this franchise. It wasn't beyond the point of reviving, but Nintendo and Miyamoto especially can't be trusted when left to their own devices anymore. The moral of this story is "never ask Nintendo for anything ever again."
>>340243286
That artist should draw her cosplaying as Tracer from Overwatch.
>>340190554
wtf is this horrible music
>>340243286
>only 12
>>340243308
i'll never understand why people still post that pic
instead of Classic Dork Pit, we got another fucking FE character as the last normal DLC fighter
and Bayonetta as the "most realizable" ballot character in the US due to all the top votes being all Goku, Batman, Vegeta, [insert leddit joke character], or a proxy/double vote like Lanky.
>>340192029
>All-Range Mode being the best it's ever been
>>340243169
Miyamoto won't approve of a game unless it has some kind of gimmick, but as long as your studio can present him with a gimmick that you came up with on your own then he will get excited about it and then leave you alone. If you don't present him with an obvious gimmick, then he will nag and annoy you to put one in before he will approve of your game, or even worse, he will make a suggestion. At that point your project is pretty much doomed, so you're better off just showing him something like the Echo visor or some other such benign feature so that he will leave you alone without doing too much damage.
https://youtu.be/NJhNCo4kjSI?t=3m35s
>>340243971
64th IP count in this thread
congrats!
>>340243665
fat sheep
>>340225259
they had 100 15 second commercials each detailing parts of the world down to what the toilets looked like
Solatorobo is a game where the people who made it truly cared
Then fucking little tail story comes alongwould a third game even be good?
>>340244168
she isnt fat
>>340244187
I'd be happy just to get an HD remaster of Solatorobo. Or an anime. Or both.
could've been the perfect time to put Fay into the retell
>reboot her as the General's daughter
>rename her "Isa"
>her boyfriend is Bill Grey
>[insert fanny ref. joke here]
>>340244414
she has a fat face, at least
>>340244414
>just a few more hours until the Blu-Ray release for Zootopia
Seriously though, how the hell did Nintendo make a Star Fox game so rancid that they couldn't even cash in on the popularity of Zootopia?
>>340244658
not really
>>340243971
heh, you have supreme taste in reaction images.
Might save that.
>>340241793
>>340242008
Didnt fucking Platinum say right after the E3 presentation of Zero how much of a pain in the ass it was working with Miyamoto with all the decisions he was making?
>>340245102
I wonder what pain Rareware went through
>>340245102
Yes.
Platinum considered krystal but miyamoto laughed it off, he probably laughed off their cool ideas too.
Whenever miya is head of anything expect him to take the lead no matter what.
>>340245315
>>340226743
they're like living rainbows
>>340245321
Oh so now you want to say that "miyamoto laughed those requests off" bullshit was true.
>>340245242
Nothing, because it saved it from Microsofts clutches, that and neo-rares faggot ways.You already know how they killed Conker
>>340245321
>Believing that rumor the same lying fuckwad made about every other rumor and got banned from neogaf
Trust me, I questioned his rumor, and he got butthurt at me and blocked me, even refused to say anything to meeven went full eurobong and said I was an american shit
>>340245242
if Shiggy didn't leave as producer of this game, just because he had faith in Rare to compete it, it would've more of a disaster than it was when Shiggy told them to change it.
>>340245321
>but miyamoto laughed it off, he probably laughed off their cool ideas too.
go away tamaki
Bought it, love it, fuck anyone who tries to tell me why I bought it, I have fun with it and that's all that fucking matters.
Also, best stage, best music, and best boss and boss music ever right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6tvyVlGMWs
>>340245321
>Believing Liam the Liars rumor
This is the same retard that was so insistent that Shovel Knight was gonna be in smash. As >>340245531 mentions he gets butthurt and blocks you if you call his ass out.
He was also banned from all discussions on neogaf after a bullshit rumor he made up that sparked a ton of shit, had to do with Sakamoto and Retro studios
At least half of you are furries, right?
>>340246718
I just like the porn.
Fuck fursuiter faggots.
>>340246718
Well, my husbando is in Starfox.
>>340245497
>>340245531
>>340245632
>>340246149
What? I don't think i've replied to you.
As for the others, thanks for the (You's) I know that guy was a hack, i've been following krystal threads since a year ago.
>>340246772
Same here.
>>340246718
I'd fuck Miyu, but that's pretty much it.
>>340247187
her snout looks fucked
>>340245315
Saber and Krystal?
Why buy a dedicated arcade spaceship shooter game when you can get the same experience as a bonus in other games like Ratchet and Clank or Kingdom Hearts?
>>340245242
After rareminion's leak, I can't help but to feel sorrow everytime I see DP.
>>340247489
>>340238194
WWell that's new to me, but..
>UK only
Not in the US, and I doubt they'll be releasing that any time soon, that and the Virtual Console version on WiiU.It seriously took NoA a fucking year and a half to release Metroid Zero Mission on the WiiU VC, yet it came out much earlier in both Japan and Europe
>>340247489
Does ratchet and clank have cool characters besides ratchet and clank?
>>340247853
the faggot plumber
>>340247853
Captain Qwark and Doctor Nefarious are pretty entertaining.
I was so excited for Star Fox Zero. Oh well, at least I had Zootopia to get me through what a disappointment it was.
>>340248338
I want to fuck the bunny
>>340187772
>>340248398
sheep is better
>>340246718
I just like and draw porn. The Star Fox games are shit.
>>340197528
Agreed
>>340204497
Jerk off on it.
>>340249095
>I just like and draw porn
Go on....
>>340218074
That pic is cute
>>340190982
>>340190762
>still posting these
Here's your (you)
>>340249968
>(you)
>>340248338
I think I can get over just about every disappointment in 2016 just by watching Zootopia.
>>340248338
>>340251840
>tfw never saw Zootopia because no one to go see it with
