Is it worth getting into tanking?
It's certainly a game that's tanking if that's your thing.
>PRE PURCHASE THE GAME TO SKIP ALL THE CONTENT AND NOT PLAY AT ALL THANK YOU FOR YOUR MONEY
>>340170061
If any other game did this they'd be praised
>purchase this DLC and receive a character at the appropriate level so you can get straight into it.
Oh wait, like Witcher 3.
f2p when
>>340170585
>appropriate level
???
What's the point of even having levels then?
You might as well remove it at this point if everyone seems to be going to such pains to bypass it.
>>340170768
not in the next 5 years at least
>>340170585
dont worry retards praised Blizzard too
>>340170061
>>340170939
I tried, I made it to Wailing Caverns and I couldn't get people to follow me around, they just kept jumping in the water and fighting the crocodiles, while I wanted to do the boss around the corner.
>>340172530
Did you try talking to them?
>>340169851
I mained Tanks in 3 MMO's and WoW was the worst and most boring of the 3.
Tanking was very fun in TBC when you had to micromanage every pull and control every skill and CD during bosses, now it's just "PRESS ALL THE BUTTONS!!!! \o/" I loved my War Tank, the most similar class is the Jedi Guardian in SWTOR, deflecting blasters and clashing lightsabers was so cool.
>>340172626
呵呵?
>>340170061
You must be mistaking WoW's class system with FFXIV's class system.
>>340169851
I can't imagine not being a tank. That said in beta most of the tanks are a bit iffy. They'll fix it up eventually.
>>340170514
>being a cuck spouting mem parrot.
>" *SQUAWK* meme! *SQUAWK* buzzword! *WHISTLE* "
>>340170061
Nobody is forcing you to use the boost.
>>340169851
>Boosts character to Lvl. 100
>Still has crappy level 50 gear
>>340172850
WoW
>SKIP ALL THE CONTENT FROM LVL1 TO 100!!
FFXIV
>Can't skip all the content from lvl1 to 60 with your first job but can level up the others withouth doing fetch quests.
Also
>2016
>Playing WoW when it's proven literally inferior to XIV
Of course, kids need 4 buttons classes.
>>340172673
>being this delusional
Active mitigation (current wow) > old tanking shit
>>340170906
>You might as well remove it at this point if everyone seems to be going to such pains to bypass it.
This is absolutely true.
The MMO idea that leveling is an obstacle to overcome before you're allowed to play the game is fucking stupid and should die forever.
The problem is however that WoW was made with levels in mind, half their playerbase would bitch if leveling was removed, and level boosts earn them too many shekels to miss out on. So even if Blizzard could get away with removing levels, they wouldn't want to.
>>340173460
>smashing your head on the keyboard vs micromanaging your skills and buffs
>>340173710
>micromanaging your skills and buffs
So, active mitigation.
>>340169851
You like fast AoE mob leveling? You like fast dungeon queues? You like being hard to kill? Do you know how aggro works and can multitask? Tanking is for you.
>>340172530
What class were you? In my experience most tanks can basically solo low level dungeons, and their party exists to speed it up to a bearable pace.
I remember when I was leveling my paladin and I ended up clearing Dire Maul with just a rogue in my party because everyone kept leaving instantly. Neither of us had heirlooms either.
I also remember when I equipped a warrior with heirlooms and he entered deadmines at the minimum level and one-shot all the bosses because low level shield slam was balanced in MoP.
Tanking isn't worthwhile since they removed crushing blows.
>>340172530
It gets better in laterdungeons when packs can slap a party's shit. Roles aren't cleanly defined until midway through BC
When will you all realize that Square is paying shills to build up FFXIV and shit talk it's rival WoW?
>>340173826
But in a whole diferent level. Today in WoW you can pick a pull of 10 mobs and tank them smashing your head on the keyboard. Years ago you had to CC mobs, pull 2 of them, pray for the 3rd not break its CC and using your tank skills with some logic.
>>340169851
Alright, check this.
See that mount and pet? It has it's hair done. Nice gold bands hold the hair in braids.
Is it a safe bet that WILD versions of these beast also have their hair braided simply because Blizzard is lazy?
>There are at least 10 blizzard employees posting in this thread right now
>>340174476
Trash mobs become faceroll, but who fucking cares people bitched about trash mobs continuously. There's still trash mobs that can wipe your group anyway, like the magisters in magister's terrace, or pretty much everything in Warlords of Positioning Simulator's dungeons
Bosses still require effort and thought to tank properly. Some of them are more challenging than anything in vanilla or BC.
>>340174746
Well for one, there's no such thing as a wild felstalker, and two, that isn't hair and those aren't gold bands.
>>340175012
It's not...hair?
>>340174748
I wish. They're too busy sucking each other off instead of listening to feedback.
Is it true that Demon Hunters in the beta currently make Rogue's obsolete in every single way?
I only read about it on some forums and well the accuracy of forum posts on balance issues are hit or miss at best.
>>340174476
Yeah but i am talking about raid encounters.
>>340175127
Damage wise maybe. Tuning is far from done. The problem with rogues is too much RNG for specs like outlaw.
>>340175127
>DH make Rogue's obsolete in every single way?
Yes. Rogues and hunters are shit rigth now
>>340170061
>leveling=all the content
top kek
>>340170061
The boost is weird but I understand why it exists. It's so people buying Legion don't need to slog through the previous content as WoW is pretty fucking dead when it comes to anything that isn't bleeding edge content and even then the servers are ghost towns until a new expac comes out and everyone eats into it. This is their way of saying "Buy the expansion and you can play it as soon as it comes out!"
This isn't like FFXIV where the highest level is 60 and the content is plot important, Heavensward was a sequel while WoW expacs tend to be within their own contained plotlines
>>340175098
Nope, it's creepy spike appendage things. They twitch like insect limbs on the older models.
>>340172673
If you enjoyed playing SWTOR then your opinion is not useful because you have objectively shit tastes.
>>340175127
Well rogues were already obsolete since feral druids exist. Demon hunters just make sure they're not allowed to have fun in random battlegrounds either.
>>340174020
>doing 1.5k dps with a warrior at level 30 just spamming Revenge all day
>being literally unkillable while passively healing the entire party as a paladin
I'm glad Blizz is pushing their no fun allowed policy now, I almost enjoyed myself and hated every second of it.
Actually Legion's tanking is far worse than current tanking. Active mitigation was nerfed into the ground to the point where it's almost completely unnecessary.
>>340174476
>using your tank skills with some logic
spamming tab and sunder sure was hard.
>>340174748
>le shilling meme
>>340175997
Think he's talking about threat generation. On single targets it generally wasn't a problem so spamming sunder is correct.
When it came to picking up multiple mobs that was a complete fucking nightmare and DPS generally got one shotted if you screwed it up
>>340169851
STOP GIVING BLIZZARD MONEY. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE.
>>340176229
I enjoy pissing you off
>>340175821
>stop liking games I don't like, the post
SWTOR is objectively the best MMO out there right now, even after going F2P. that's how bad the MMO genre is at the moment
>>340175932
It literally doesn't matter how good you are, if the healer is shit you're fucking done. It's utter bullshit and I seriously hope they'll change it.
>>340175835
I miss just being able to drop consecrate and walk past the trash mobs. Consecrate did just enough damage to keep aggro while my party obliterated them with AoE. Then when they were all grouped up and you had the boss on your ass, drop holy wrath and kill EVERYTHING and then bash the boss in the face with your shield and he went down.
>Free character boost
Is it just me or is the fun of WoW just exploring the different areas and ever so slowly making your way to the level cap, starting out wearing shit armor and ending up fully decked out in awesome shit?
Granted I never did play long enough to ever even hit level 80, so maybe raids and whatnot are super fun. Can someone give me some insight on this?
I think I might just be the type of person who doesn't really have a problem forming a party of friends, and can still have fun running around the world alone.
>>340176361
You're going to have to try a little harder than that mate.
>>340175932
>Active mitigation was nerfed
>it's almost completely unnecessary.
Its a joke, RIGHT
>>340176713
No, alot of active mitigation was nerfed so its become pretty pointless. Long cooldowns still exist and play an important role but Blizzard is striving to make most of them flat damage reductions
>>340176646
In my opinion, that was the most fun thing in WoW. Unfortunately Blizzard wants to keep people in the long run and so they focused on end-game content. Over the years they have really let the leveling experience go to shit, you one shot everything, health and mana regen is a joke, no more group quests, you outlevel zones way before you finish the main storylines through them. Heirlooms and exp boosts make the whole process a trivial, 1-2 day affair.
What the didn't realize though is that you are never going to get new people to play your game if the leveling experience is shit. Instead they thought maybe they should just let players skip the process all together with level boosting. I don't think that appeals to new players though. Recently Blizzard said they want to try and fix the leveling experience so that's good news though.
>>340176646
>Is it just me or is the fun of WoW just exploring the different areas and ever so slowly making your way to the level cap, starting out wearing shit armor and ending up fully decked out in awesome shit?
I thought so too but apparently this kind of mindset triggers the blizzdrones to call you a nostcuck these days. I guess I'm getting too old for this shit.
>>340177092
You are a Beta player?
>>340176646
>Is it just me or is the fun of WoW just exploring the different areas and ever so slowly making your way to the level cap, starting out wearing shit armor and ending up fully decked out in awesome shit?
That's fun the first 2-3 times.
But then you get to the point where you hit level 55 and think "oh boy silithus. kill me now" and then you hit level 60 and have to drag yourself through the game with pins holding your eyes open until you hit level 80, where you think "Vashj'ir was so great I can't wait to do it again!" except instead of enjoying Vashj'ir you just get frustrated at all the bugs in cata quests and you know there's no light at the end of the tunnel because Jade Forest is waiting for you with Draenor as backup.
>>340176713
>it's almost completely unnecessary
Better, they removed most of it completely. You have maybe 1 skill that reduces damage and 1 self-heal and that's it. Tanks are just glorified DPS with bigger health pools.
>>340177380
That's always been what they were really. Having active mitigation doesn't change that since they still focus primarily on deeps anyway. It's the primary flaw with threat and the holy trinity as game mechanics.
>>340177369
This
Who /Guardian Druid/ here? Is any good in legion?
>>340178973
best with Blood DK
Guardians are amazing
>>340179147
Why is two tanks in a 5 man good now?
I'll go back for the first month and just level up my priest and heal.
>$50 expansion
>to a game with a monthly fee
>not even enough decency to bundle a month for free
Never understood how people let themselves be milked like this. Blizz was shitting on customers long before modern EA or DLC were a thing
>>340169851
That thing looks disgusting why not just make a regular Felhound mount?
>>340179303
what
>>340179601
You or that other anon just said Guardian druids are good with Blood DK.
>>340173452
Who cares, they are both shit like all mmos
>>340174020
Apparently they are looking at or redoing this now. They want the entire leveling system to matter. They want to increase TTK and have the challenge be roughly the same the whole way through the game. The days of powering through dungeons in 5 minutes is coming to an end. So in the end it will take longer to level giving people an actual incentive to buy a boost.
>playing WoW
>current year
why do people do this? serious question
>>340169981
(you)
>>340173452
>XIV's shit grind
>better
>be new to WoW
>Go in as a tank because I hear they have short dungeon cue times
>Everyone is mad as hell that I don't know the dungeons on my first time there. Whatever, thats understandable
>Go in as DPS, people start yelling at me because my DPS isn't high on some chart I don't even know how to turn on
>Try healer. Literally whack a mole the most boring gameplay I've ever seen in my life why do people enjoy this
I'll resub for Legion. Maybe if I'm messing up when everything is still new, people wont bully me so hard.
Play Rift instead of WoW. It's F2P so you won't feel like you are working a job playing it.
>>340180186
Fun
>all these shitters bad mouthing tanking when they are event talked about the actual problems with them
Spot the non-beta baby is so easy
>>340180378
Fags will complain no matter what you do, save yourself the trouble and money and don't resub. Game is shit anyway
>>340180378
>that pic
Source please
>>340180443
a serious question implies serious answers. as WoW is objectively not fun anymore, can you give me a REAL reason?
>>340175828
>nostcuck talking out of his ass
In what world is feral better than rogues. A rogue in mythic is needed for some mechanics
Tanking became such a joke
By the time of MoP a tank in level 89 greens would out-threat a DPS in BiS on single target
Not even exaggerating
>>340180186
It's the only MMO worth playing.
>>340170768
Already is.**Heavily limited restrictions may apply
>>340176206
If a DD got aggro from a mob it was his fault and not from the tank. As dd you were always supposed to attack the main target of the tank.
>>340180858
>MMOs
>worth playing
>>340178973
It's about the same, which ironically makes it one of the best because everyone else got fucked down to retard levels (which the bear was already at).
>>340172673
Get FUCKED. Active mitigation is eons ahead of the shitty aggro management from pre cata
>>340181220
>t. shit tank casual fuckboy who cant handle complex mechanics
>>340180378
If you want to enjoy playing online multiplayer games you will need to develop thicker skin, don't bother resubbing if you think people are going to be nicer in Legion. People are fucking assholes, it doesn't matter what game you play. You could try to find a nice guild to play with I guess, that's your only other alternative.
>>340180701
retard detected
vanilla was the only time rogues were better than feral, and only because feral didn't actually exist back then. it was one of those specs that technically had a talent tree, but didn't exist because it sucked so much that nobody who knew anything at all used it
>>340181640
Lets be honest, rogues are assholes and deserve to do worse than everyone else.
>>340181567
>old wow
>mechanics
>>340180858
That's because threat was essentially removed as a mechanic in in the firelands patch of cata. Partially as casualisation, partially because it was so fucked up after years of scaling high burst specs were tearing threat off tanks.
I remember on majordomo I straight up could not dps for the first 20 seconds or I would rip threat off our MT.
>>340181567
kek dark animus hc says hi
of course you sound like a lfr hero so I doubt you'd know what i'm talking about
>>340181640
>whiny pure shitter cuck who cant adapt to changing game mechanics
fucking rogues are pathetic. you probbly made a rogue in the first place because DUDE SICK EDGY STEALTH UNDEAD IN BLOODFANG HOOD CRAWLING IN MY SKIN. purefags are pure cancer.
>>340181862
As a rogue player I agree wholeheartedly and do not give a quarter of a shit that rogues are worthless.
As long as burst of speed sticks around and rogues are capable of soloing raids for pets, I will still enjoy my rogue.
they are changing tanking in legion drastically. I can't tell you how it's going to play until I get my hands on it, but i'm very worried about what they are doing to my brewmaster.
>>340182064
i don't give a fuck about your meme boss, faggot. you're a casual. go back to watching tankspot strats.
>>340181640
Not even that guy but with all the aoe and target switching in HFC feral got cucked this tier, not only does sub blow it (and every other melee spec) away but because of the abundance of those mechanics ferals got sat on progression.
>>340181640
Wait hold on
I haven't played since Burning crusade and a little bit of WotlK
Are you telling me druids aren't complete shit now?
>>340174887
looks like bloodborne
>>340182270
shitter confirmed
>>340182362
They are pretty good
>>340182493
virgin confirmed
>>340182069
Nope. He started as a joke character so I could run around with my dual icy chill enchants pretending to be the stereotypical cocky asshat rogue.
Then I started leveling him to get his mog, and I realized rogues are shitloads of fun. He became my main for WoD because mages became boring and rogues are the best class for fishing, pet battles and soloing old content.
>>340181640
rogues are one of the better classes at the moment. they are able to cheese many many mechanics in hfc. there's a few classes that are major assets to their team in this regard, but druid is not one of them.
>>340182362
Feral is a fucking joke compared to other melee classes. The other specs are viable though
>>340173589
Except leveling is half the adventure in a good mmo. The problem is that people like you spread this idea that the game doesn't begin until max level which invalidates the journey to getting to max level. Endgame only shitters ruin mmos because all of a sudden 100% of the focus is on the 'endgame' and leveling becomes what it has in WoW, which is something to be skipped or a dull grind to get to the 'real game'.
>>340183050
It's not the players that force that mindset. It's the developers who lock all the content up in endgame progression and don't let anyone have any fun until they reach max level.
>>340174020
>decide to level a warrior in MoP
>when buddy and I hit 15 we try out some bgs for shits and giggles
>mfw I'm literally 1 hit killing other players with shield slam
Great fun was had.
>>340170061
it's really only justifiable for wow since people are expected to have like 20 level 100s already
>>340183272
shield slam was OP as fuck.
I would not play this game again even if someone paid me
>garrisons 2.0 aka class halls which are 100% required to raid
>shitty artifact weapon progress just like the legendary questline which is 100% required to raid
If you ever get behind or leave the game and come back you are stuck being pigeon holed into shitty LFR for a million years until you finally get the best item in the game aka a legendary and then you can finally apply to a raid guild and hope they accept you to do THE SAME FUCKING RAID AGAIN on a higher difficulty.
Blizzard quite literally does not care about raiding at all anymore and pretty much just wants everyone to do LFR and nothing else. They don't give a shit how mindnumbingly boring it is to get raid geared compared to previous expansions where you spend a million years in the same fucking raid instance on multiple difficulties.
>>340183560
>LFR fuckboy
>>340183560
You are retarded
>>340183272
>leveling my hunter back in MoP
>serpent sting is bugged from level 75 to 82 so it does the same damage as it does at level 90
>running around strand of the ancients tagging people with serpent sting and killing them instantly
>>340183928
>that hairy draenei
>>340183916
>LFR fuckboy
I'm complaining about how I don't want to have to do LFR though, it fucking sucks
>>340183928
w-what the fuck is that
>>340184125
perfection
>>340183050
I think some kind of boost is ok for people who already have multiple max level characters. It's understandable for people to get tired of the leveling experience after having been through it on both sides multiple times. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that new players should be given the option to skip leveling.
>>340184125
The female draenei model update in WoD
>>340184071
Mythic 5s drop higher ilevel gear then lfr which doesn't open for ages after a raid launches anyway (which is easy to for get 14 months into a raid tier).
The only caveat here is raid tiers after this one and if lfr drops tier or not.
>>340180378
>I'll resub for Legion. Maybe if I'm messing up when everything is still new, people wont bully me so hard.
HA! That's what you think. You will queue for a dungeon and some of the people will be beta testers crying and being mad because you don't know it.
>>340184263
Except so that they can play with their friends without having to level alone or force their friends to make a new character.
Nobody ever levels only one character anyway.
>>340174476
It's never been that case in the first half of the expansion. It always becomes faceroll when you inevitably outgear the dungeons and raids. This has always been the case since WotLK. Hell, I would almost argue BC as well if it weren't for LOL FEARS.
Complaining you faceroll content at the ass end of an expansion is just as retarded as complaining you can't get the last item in stock that's insanely popular and you came into the store 2 minutes until closing.
None of you faggots seemed to have been in WoD where the nightmare fuel was Everbloom or Grimrail Depot as fresh Heroics. So many people were used to facerolling MoP dungeons that they got shitter-shattered when they had to actually CC and plan out their actions.
>>340184125
>>340184045
It's an april fools prank.
>>340184354
>I didn't read your post at all
>>340183560
>f you ever get behind or leave the game and come back you are stuck being pigeon holed into shitty LFR for a million years until you finally get the best item in the game aka a legendary and then you can finally apply to a raid guild and hope they accept you to do THE SAME FUCKING RAID AGAIN on a higher difficulty.
>>340180858
If you are braindead, yes.
>>340183191
While this is true the playerbase is just as demanding for it. Look at the prevalence of 'the game begins at max level'. People perpetuate this mindset and then, presumably, the devs feel more pressured to only produced endgame content to satisfy a minority of the playerbase. I'm not saying everyone should see the hardest most exclusive raids but I am saying that all the content prior to the latest patch shouldn't be thrown to the wayside immediately. As other anons have said leveling is a shadow of its former self which turns away new players because the questing is even more mindless tedium because you have to be clinically retarded to die to mobs now and if you haven't memorized and written a doctorate's thesis on every dungeon in the game you're relentlessly shit on. WoW might be dying because the lifers are leaving but with how abysmal the new player experience is at this point they don't even seem to be able to partially replenish the population with new blood.
>>340184483
>2.5sec GCD
Is this a game for literal retards?
>tfw would love to play this game but my laptop is a toaster
>>340184465
You said you didn't want to do lfr, I said for at least the first tier (and hell legion might only have two) you wouldn't have to do lfr at all even to catch up because mythic 5mans drop higher ilvel gear.
How does that not address your concern?
>>340184878
LFR has tier back so you will be running it
>>340169851
>caring about current WoW
>not just playing on a comfy private vanilla private server
>shitposting in every single WoW, current WoW and Vanilla private server threads
>literally all that happens in these threads
sasuga /v/
>>340184878
I'm talking about the legendary, the only way to catch up on it quickly in WoD is to do LFR.
I would not be surprised if Blizzard did the same for artifact weapons in Legion because they have a real hard on for pigeon holing everyone into doing shitty LFR.
>Want to do normal HFC raids
>"710 ilvl only no pvp gear!"
>normal HFC drops 690 ilvl gear
How do you progress in this game past lfr?
what is the most braindead class/specialization with the least number of rotations?
im probably gonna buy one of those movie codes on amazon when the movie hits
>>340184541
If you made a game with no levels, it would sort of mitigate that, except then you would either have to have no gear progression and therefore no progression at all, or rehash old content to keep it relevant, or just let old content be dropped to the wayside as gear progresses past it.
>>340184865
>Le 2.5 sec GCD maimai xD
>>340180320
>lvl MNK
>needing to grind for anything else ever ever
>>340175493
It really is
>>340184483
Both warriors are leaps and bounds more engaging than XIV's <2.5s highways. And yes, I play both games and mained warrior in each of them.
>>340185334
So there is no 2.5gcd?
I don't get your point. Why put it in the image then?
>>340185334
>lemme mash all of my off globals heheh that'll learn him for calling my pile of shit a pile of shit!
Lot more problems than just 2.5s gcd. See: networking, design theory, all those skills/systems dummied out or leftover from 1.0. LOL
>>340184865
It has a 2.5 sec GCD only for certain skills, the other skills are not on the GCD and you weave them throughout your skills.
>>340185448
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0SjQZCB5iU
>>340185261
Assassination rogues are basically just
>mutilate, mutilate, mutilate, finisher, mutilate, mutilate, finisher, mutilate, mutilate, mutilate, finisher
the only thing you worry about is keeping rupture up
>>340177369
Clearly, the solution to that problem is paying Blizzard even more money to skip all that.
>pay to play it
>now pay to not play it
>>340185158
Artefacts are not legendaries they act differently and they power up differently every artefact has 3 slots (2 are default 3rd is gated to 'class halls') bosses drop relics you put in those slots which then essentially form the stats of the weapon, since mythic 5mans drop higher ilvl loot they drop higher ilvl relics ergo no lfr.
Now if lfr drops tier you might have to run it but I doubt a normal/heroic guild will care about tier bonuses.
>>340185334
there is a 2.5sec gcd youre just popping non gcd abilities and playing a class that has a buff decreasing its gcd not much different from wow except that wow feels much faster
>>340185631
They already revamped the vanilla zones in cata and you saw the flak they got for vastly improving all of them but silithus.
There would be actual murders committed if they pulled that shit again and included outland and northrend(which are the main offenders anyway)
>>340185340
>only one class is fun
>>340185261
In legion it will be the Beast Mastery hunter, as its tuned right now its a '3 button spec' and because its main button passively generates focus your resource it's literally impossible to fail like arms or another 3 button spec that requires 'some' thinking
>>340185594
>1 2 3 4 5, keep doing it over and over and over
>"It gets kind of complicated"
For god's sake, it doesn't even have positioning.
>>340185042
Let's see which is more valuable to have.
Tier that's 810 in item level? Or 840 non-tier?
Please tell me you're not an idiot who thinks the tier is more important. Because the answer is the higher ilevel. It's been fucking fact that if an item is over 10 levels above the tier, you replace the tier. Tier hasn't been 'godly' enough to warrant wearing older tier sets in newer content since MoP, and that was just a freak occurrence with ToT that got rebalanced very quickly.
>>340185782
>There would be actual murders committed if they pulled that shit again and included outland and northrend
Not really retard, everybody has been asking for that since forever. Everybody has also been asking that the cata zones be re-updated since the cataclysm is over.
>>340185676
>mythic 5mans
Holy shit when did this happen?
I've been wanting 5mans to drop viable endgame gear for centuries. Raids are shitty and boring, and so is pvp so all this time I've never had anything to do for endgame progression. I've always loved heroic dungeons though.
Do mythic dungeons drop gear equivalent to raids? Even if it's just better than flex shit that's good enough for me.
>>340185685
That's how the game works. You use one off GCD bewteen 2 in GCD skill so you never stop 2,5 secs withouth doing nothing.
Also the job that "lowers it's GCD" is not the DRG, it's the Ninja.
>>340185992
I really want it too, but I can guarantee you Catababs would cry a river of analtears right up to Blizzard HQ about it if it happened.
Just look at all the vanillafags who whine about how Cata ruined their precious dustwallow marsh and thousand needles and shit.
>>340185589
>networking
This is the most important, glaring issue and the reason I quit. Burned before ARR, then ARR sucked, which I quit WoW to play (MoP sucked ass anyway). Nothing will convince me to play again, and it's the reason I haven't touched MMOs since. If anything, I owe that to FFXIV.
>>340185898
you are so wrong its not even funny
>>340186073
Mythic 5 mans want you to have mythic raid-level gear.
At least thats what I always find in premade dungeon lists.
>>340186417
Wasn't this issue solved when they build proper servers for USA, Europe and Asia?
Since Europeans don't have to play with Canadian servers the game feels like a total new game.
>>340186073
Yes. And legión dungeons will be even better.
>>340186326
>Just look at all the vanillafags who whine about how Cata ruined their precious dustwallow marsh and thousand needles and shit.
It's more to do with the fact that the updated zones are more linear and have aged a lot faster than the old ones. And the numerous other terrible changes that have happened to the game since vanilla.
>>340186073
Mythic 5 mans already exist they drop better gear then lfr and its kind of the same as normal mode but it cant be boosted it gets blown away by normal tier (due to the set bonus) and heroic and mythic raiding obviously.
In legion the 5man mythic experience is being expanded on but the gear will fall in roughly the same place.
>>340186073
You should probably just look it up since its kind of difficult to explain but basically mythic dungeons will have random -affixes that add mechanics to the dungeon for example, enemies explode upon death. They also have levels which increase damage and health and add an increasing number of -affixes, in order to advance to the next level you have to complete the dungeon within a time limit. The higher the level, the higher the ilvl.
>>340184865
Nope, WoW is.
>Implying anyone besides Blizzard interns and chinese gold farmers still play WoW
>>340186727
That kind of reminds me of the old warlock rotations. 20+ buttons to press in a random rotation before factoring in movement.
>>340182059
Pretty much this, though current WoW players will tell you current tanking now is "better" because the dps can blow their loads with no regard for threat and mashing damage reduction cooldown buttons as a tank is is epic bro!
>>340169851
Tanking use to be the shit, only one other person is competing with you for gear. Then they implemented that gay ass rng loot, now there is no advantage might as well play a mindless dps now beacsue you have the same fucking odds.
>>340186886
>old warlock rotations
So putting up CoE so the mages can solo the boss, chaining shadowbolt till you oom then tapping and hoping you rate a heal or tanking the floor for the rest of the fight?
>>340187068
I saw that rolls no longer occurred when I came back to WoW when loot dropped.
What happened?
>>340185609
If you're a shitty mut rogue, it is.
The "trick" isn't much better though. Pool until you have near-max energy, then time your Envenoms so you keep the uptime going as long as you can. It is very easily a 8-10k difference if you learn to not mindlessly spam finishers. It's not really complex, though. Still resource management, albeit incredibly simple.
Granted, all 3 Rogue specs are pretty braindead.
>>340186431
Yes, anon, tell us how mythic HM tier is better than heroic non-tier BRF gear.
Do indulge us how superior the numbers are.
I play Warcraft primarily for the solo content and there is nothing you can do to stop me
>>340187314
You forgot about the dots
And the filler spells
And the random SB procs
And pet management if needed
>>340187383
Envenom keeps 100% uptime anyway with that rotation. The only time you get fucked is when you need to rupture 2-3 times in a row
>four raid difficulties
top kek. game died when raids stopped being just one difficulty. I'm not about to gear up in normal just so I can do the same raid again on heroic, so I can do the same raid again on mythic.
Its about the journey, not your fucking item level.
>play a rogue since vanilla
>we're the only class left that still needs 10+ active abilities to function effectively
>we're the only class that has to rely on a mechanic (stealth and openers) and can't just run up to shit, mash buttons and kill it
>we're the only class with a difficult to manage resource where every single ability used must be calculated
>we're the only class with such a high skill ceiling that a mediocre anyone else can kill a merely-adequate rogue
>we're the only class where you can experiment with rotation and one spec/rotation isn't blatantly the best
>Legion is gutting the class so every rogue spec can only use three abilities, adding zero and calling it progress
Thank god. I finally have a reason to quit this game and let it burn in green hell.
>>340169851
>"We recognize the first couple of days of game play in WOW are so bad and dehydrated and intended solely to hook newbs that most people want to skip it and are willing to pay to do so. We dont blame them, so here it is."
~ ActiBlizzard
>>340187873
Its about the gear treadmill and always has been
>>340187873
The decline for me started when they mashed 10 and 25 man raids together, instead of making separate raids for both 10 and 25 man progression.
>>340188027
>Rogue
>PvE
Literally no reason to play unless you PvP.
>>340184465
>raiding
>not just waiting until Blizz GIVES you the gear for the final raid in the xpack
>>340187352
No fucking clue... Was better when you raided and you were dps you had to fight for loot, but if you tanked/healed you had less people rolling against you. Seemed fair that the less desired role gets the best odds.
>>340187494
>You forgot about the dots
Nah senpai we old school locks remember no CoA or you might drop sunder then you're getting your sorry ass sat
>And the filler spells
Shadow bolt was filler I guess your could cast drain life but SB into tapping cycle gave better dps even if you died at ~50% on most bosses
>And the random SB procs
You got to put points into nightfall? So who's speccing into improved healthstones this week?
>And pet management if needed
'rotation'/10
>>340188129
>PvP
>Legion
You literally cannot get gear unless you raid in Legion. Conquest and honor is being removed, as is PvP gear.
>>340187738
No it's not. You're going to be energy starved, you ding dong.
Mut Mut (Maybe a third time in case you're unlucky with crits), wait until near full, Envenom, mut mut [mut/dispatch on proc] (keep spamming Mut if using Anticipation like a scrub), Envenom when 2 seconds left on the buff, rinse and repeat. Upon hitting 35%, replace Mut with Dispatch. Enjoy an easy 60k DPS in unoptimized gear with no enchants.
If you just spam mut mut mut, you won't have enough energy to keep Envenom going. You need to anticipate your crits, how much energy you have left, the time left on your buff, and if it's worth wasting 2-3 combo points to fill that final point or not. That takes genuinely more thought than BM. Of course, it's fucking braindead once you learn and get used to it because it all becomes trigger-reflex. Which is what a Rogue should honestly be. Trigger-reflexes.Roll the Bones should never exist and Blizzard already has ruined Outlaw thanks to it.
>>340180186
Because I'm not playing
>current year
WoW. Atlantiss is fun.
>>340187383
>what is sub
I
>>340169851
Please don't boost a tank, actually play it through and learn how to play properly.
>>340188027
Rogues need stealth levels again. hunters see too much
>>340188624
This. Or at least play it to lvl 60 befor hand.
>>340188624
>boost a monk
>throw beer on everything
>keep aggro forever while my DPS cums hard on enemy mobs
Shame they're getting rid of it in Legion, throwing a kegger at friendly blood elf girls and demanding they show their tits never gets old.
>>340188624
I remember when the leveling system existed to let you gradually get used to the nuances of your class. That's not really a thing anymore though.
What a time to be alive for an RPer
>Armegeddon on Azeroth
>All major lore figures dying
>Everyone having to band together
>old lore figures coming back as DKs
>Sylvanus supposedly going to be the new Warchief.
But then...
.
>Legion is a huge elf expansion
>Cringy blood elf house RP is going to come back hard.
>Edgy xxxXXkillaXXXxx demon hunters running all over the place and probably claiming they are vampires or something.
>New wave of bad roleplayers as with every expansion
Its going to be a fun time.
>>340169851
>>340170061
>paying money for the game to play itself
I don't get it
>>340188079
IF you were a raid or die shitter maybe. The journey through TBC was great, and Karazhan was the perfect example of an intro raid. There was no need for 'mythic" karazhan.
>>340188129
Same. i personally prefer completely separate 10 and 25 mans.
>>340188624
The only thing you're going to learn as a low level tank is how to run forward and hit your aoe for 90 levels.
>>340188406
>if using Anticipation like a scrub
>previously mandatory talent is now scrub tier
What did they do to it?
>>340188838
>not roleplaying a demon hunter who is so edgy that it rolls back around and becomes funny
>>340188838
>Complaining we get a nelf/dream focused tier (next tier might have nothing to do with the nelves) after Seige of orcrimmar and orclords of orcnor
Nice try Metzen but you'll have to shitpost better then that to fool me.
>WARLORDS OF DRAENOR
WE GOIN BACK TO TBC BAKA SENPAI WOW IS SAVEd BEST EXPANSION EVUR.
I'll skip this one
>>340188027
>we're the only class left that still needs 10+ active abilities to function effectively
>we're the only class that has to rely on a mechanic (stealth and openers) and can't just run up to shit, mash buttons and kill it
>we're the only class with a difficult to manage resource where every single ability used must be calculated
>we're the only class where you can experiment with rotation and one spec/rotation isn't blatantly the best
All false.
Even the most complex rogue spec doesn't use 10 abilities. They all use way WAY more than most other specs, but nothing uses 10 abilities in its rotation except that one gimmicky feral druid strat.
Stealth is a significantly less complex mechanic than things like pets, metamorphosis, active mitigation even some alternate resources
Ironically, death knights are now the class that worries the most about resource management, only because their resources are a design trainwreck though
I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over the part where subtlety has consistently been better than combat and assassination COMBINED for the past three expansions
>>340189198
The reason Burning Crusade was interesting was because it had several elements to it. You had a whole new planet with stuff like uncorrupted orcs, ogre kingdoms, draenei homelands, broken tribes, broken tribes who allied with Illidan, Kael'thas and his space elf brigade, the Burning Legion outposts, savage warlock birdmen, magic wind chimes who are basically gods and resided in a multicultural city of the downtrodden, stranded Alliance outposts and other such bullshit. It was all NEW stuff we had never seen before, which is why when Warlords abducted half of these elements and recycled them it wasn't captivating or interesting.
Legion is suffering the same symptoms as Warlords. Oh look, the Burning Legion again. Oh look, more Highborne shit. There's nothing actually new to see and what little there is that's new is totally irrelevant and little more than a boring footnote in some questing zone that you never see again, like Warlords' cat-men.
>>340189198
Bro horde OP was fucking amazing for WOD. Orc clan RP was trending like hell and it was a great time to be alive
>Fighting the chief to earn your spot in the guild
>Intra guild problems resulting in clan champions going at it
>All non orcs being laughed out of a Donald Trump tier Ogrimmar.
I wouldn't want it around forever, but it was fun while it lasted.
>>340190074
>orc clan roleplay
Literally as cliche and boring as human house wars roleplay.
>>340188838
I still wondering why Blizzard never gave us Vampires, they were part of the Lich Kings posse in WotLK and it felt like there was story potential to add to the lore to be the rivals of Werewolves but nothing happened to it.
Not talking about Twilight vamps ether, more like VTM I guess
>>340190276
Because blood death knights are basically vampires and also bloodbenders from that Nickelodeon anime cartoon.
>>340188931
It's been a while since I played, but I'd guess it's because if you're doing your rotation properly you're only ever going over by 1 combo point anyway. If what you care about is just not wasting a single CP, then deeper stratagem's extra point to pool is exactly what you needed, there's no downside for just firing off 5 points when you hit that instead of 6, and it just flatout gives you a 20% damage buff on finishers on top.
Anticipation also only stores 3 combo points now, and is up against 2 strong talents that work very well in most situations, as opposed to WoD where it was up against the ability to generate combo points at range and a very strong but very situational ability.
>>340190276
Only canon vampires I know of are the Sayn Hane elves back in BC
>>340190276
Aren't forsaken already the rivals of werewolves?
>>340190636
Avatar?
>>340175493
>dead raids
>1 in season raid
>a handfull of heroics
Leveling really is the bulk of content.
>>340190640
>Anticipation also only stores 3 combo points now,
RIP in piss what's the point of using it unless it lets you drop two full finishers on someone in two GCDs?
>its a tanking thread
>nobody talk about tanks
>>340191494
probably because its braindead boring shit
>>340190636
They're Blood Knights, they don't have fangs or the priorties of a Vampire outside a few things.
>>340190839
You're correct, but they were also in WotLK as a small group of followers for Arthur in ICC
>>340190927
Yeah but I was talking about the old Vampire vs Werewolf ideals
>>340188376
So they're reverting back to Vanilla?
Or will "rare" spawns drop epics now?
>>340169851
>lvl 100 boost
but why, there is no fun in that
>>340191675
>Joining legion to play vanilla
>>340191494
>do the mechanics
>put the targets close together if possible for cleavers
>pop cd on damage intensive phases
Unless they completely changed the way tanks play, they will always be DPS with defensive cds
>>340170585
because comparing Witcher 3 with WoW makes so much sense
>>340191567
Spoke the DPS shitter
>>340185334
Looks slow.
>>340192004
>joining WoW in the current year
it's 2016.
>>340182425
In chinese wow they can't show skeletons, so player deaths have those gravestones. I think the idea here is that boss has killed a fuckton of players.
>>340169851
Don't you play this game.
Don't even fucking dare
>>340177142
This is fucking shit, they've ruined the game.
>>340192090
DPS is the most cutthroat role in the business, kid. If you're not topping the charts then you're just wasting your time. Fighting over gear is all about who is the alpha male and who are the beta bitches.
Stick to playing a role that retards can play and never topping the DPS charts, buddy. I'll be spamming my complicated DPS rotations in real time while you're just busy pressing mortal strike or something for infinitely less DPS, bucko.
>>340192090
>DPS
>"how can I best use these abilities to maximize damage while not hitting the aggro limit or take too much damage"
>tank
>"how can I best press this one button that forces the boss to pay attention to me while our healer spams spells on me"
>>340192297
Lel
>>340192297
i'm going to play right now just to spite you!wow, we sure got them my fellow Blizzard employee :^)
>decide to give wow another try when warlords came out
>have been a healer and dps in raids before so decided to try a tank this time
>even made sure to pick a server dedicated to raiding
>get to max level and start gearing up with things going smoothly
>eventually find a guild and complete normal and heroic HM with them as the secondary tank
>guild ends up disbanding over some drama issue between officers and the GM
>half the guild jumps ship to some other guild around the same progress level
>since I was cool with most of them I joined them
>guild already had multiple tanks and HM only required 2 tanks at most
>forced to play dps for the mythic progression
>quit soon after out of sheer boredom of spamming the trash Gladiator rotation
That didn't last long I had wished it was like the TBC raiding days where for some bosses and parts you literally needed 4-5 tanks in a 25 man raid because it severely reduces the amount of tanks.
>>340193482
>only required 2 tanks
That is why being a tank sucks
>>340192473
DPS is cutthroat because you are all a diamond dozen. If there are 60 people all applying for the same position, of course you are going to take the best one.Its very easy to measure the effectiveness of a DPS because their entire existence just boils down to a number, as opposed to the more nuanced roles of tanking and healing.
>>340194159
If mythic dungeons are a fun alternative to raiding, I'd be happy to just tank in mythic dungeons and dps in raids.
>>340194159
Ya i didn't really enjoy some of the tank mechanics involved with HM because i'm not sure how the rest of the WoD raids went but literally every boss in HM involved swapping tank aggro but literally just between two tanks you never needed anymore. It would have been awesome especially with how dual talents worked for there to be a few bosses or trash mobs at least that required 3 maybe even 4 tanks. I think a big part of the problem is this 10 man and flex mode bullshit they need to go back to making 25 man and 10 man raids separate but they won't.
>>340180965
That's not the point. It doesn't matter who's fault it is. The point is maintaining aggro on multiple mobs pre LK was hard as fuck.
>>340174887
I miss Pandaria
>>340183928
hahahahahaha
>>340195109
Pandaria was too good for us
>>340169851
Just play /v/scape senpai
>>340192087
Wow is better
>>340184372
This is exactly what WoW needs after their year of no content anniversary.
>>340188129
>He doesn't have a picklock slave
>>340169851
>Skipping the funniest part of a mmo
Why?
Why would people skip the growth of their character?
How will they understand their abilities?
How will they see the world will leveling?
Honestly, I mostly play for the leveling the exciting moments when you get a new killer skill/ability.
If they skip all of that, their game will basically be
>Farm those 2 dungeons everyday
>Do those daily quests everyday
Rinse and repeat.
Every. Single. Day.
This is what kill a mmo for me.
>>340183928
Looks like this model was used for draenei in warcraft movie. They was ugly as shit.
