IF you don't pick one of TOP 10 heroes (read: DON'T pick fucking HANZO) YOU are losing your team the game.
Explained in videoformat for people who don't understand the picks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux61CtqGm1c
Tracer is too much fun.
check the catalogue for any of the other 20 overwatch theads faglord
sage
>>340158672
>competitive meme
I don't get this
I play games to have fun
Why should I handicap my fun by playing a character I don't like?
>>340158791
To win. Cause winning is fun. Stop being a losing faggot. Although I will say over watch is too casual to be competitive
Typical Blizzard balancing. Just compare to WoW. Some classes have been OP since 2005 and some others permanent cuck status
Pro-comps work when the team is sticking together, communicating and playing at a high skill level. Try playing the 2 tank 2 support meta in a normal game with pubbies and see how terrible it feels.
>>340158672
If I get this game to play as based cowboy man am I cancer
I wish Genji was played more. He's easily the coolest character to see high level play of. Tracer is pretty good too.
>>340159185
Nah just don't suck.
>guess ill go solo q
>Guy insta locks hanzo
>other low level picks widowmaker
>on KOTH map
yes we lost.
>>340158791
>lose 20 games
>get 1000 deaths 5 kills
how is this fun?
>>340160445
Every single game a retard pick genji because he saw fucking a pro get 6 kills with him...
and all our genji did was die and feed ults.
>>340158934
>there is only one way to have fun
>>340160845
There's only one way to get good with Genji, my man, and that's to practice with him.
>>340161018
NO THEY AREN'T ALLOWED TO BE BAD THEY MUST BE AMAZING OR ELSE THEY AREN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY
>>340158672
The pro teams create comps. Certain hero combinations that work well together if a team is communicating.
If you are just playing in pubs you have no business in giving a shit about tier lists.
>>340161219
This would easily be solved by having community "Noob friendly Hanamura 24/7" servers.
JUST SAYING.
>>340161345
This could easily be solved if you stopped bitching at everyone that doesn't "match your skill level".
>>340161595
Not him you replied to but
>Only one way to play the game, Blizzard's MM way
>It doesn't try to matchmake for anyone but Blizzard's convenience
Just saying, noob friendly server.
>>340161595
>>340161345
>>340161219
Some random anon
I've lost track of who's arguing for what at this point
>>340158672
How can a character have >100% usage?
>>340161691
I've never had a problem with the matchmaking whatsoever. I'd say it's pretty good.
>>340161893
They are probably counting both sides. It's fucking retarded.
>>340161893
I think it means there's an average of >1 per game, like one per team
>>340161893
number of times picked among all matches divided by number of all matches. It could be as high as 1200% with this.
>>340161898
It's been effectively confirmed you can try to tank your win rating as any hero and it'll be suspiciously hard to when you get matched to stay closer to 50%.
Argue all you want about >50% with Forced 50%, but you have to admit that's some dodgy shit going on.
>>340158934
But I just want to play and have fun. Winning is a bonus.
>>340162107I have 40%
Made a comment on Plebbit about tiers in Overwatch, got told that they don't exist for Overwatch because everyone is equally viable all of the time.
Dunno why I fucking bother with that site, jesus fuck.
>>340158672
>>340162107
Link to proofs? I am greatly interested to see some actual documented research.
>>340158672
>Pick McCree because I like the Dollars trilogy and what to play as Clint Eastwood
>He has a shitty meme belt buckle and happens to be top tier
save me
>>340162272
BAMF
>>340162253
It would be hard to confirm it officially when the price tag for an account is so high, people get a bit attached to their stats and wouldn't just tank them to check. With no way to reset them, you're looking at some pretty expensive smurfing to confirm with a larger group of researchers.
Also haven't really got anything on hand, sorry. :|
>>340162192
4chan at the least has the stigma that "THE FBI WILL COME AND ARREST ME IF I USE THIS SITE!!!"
It does wonders at keeping away a large majority of the idiots, but unfortunately it's something that wearing off as time passes.
>>340162404
Why do you say
>It's been effectively confirmed
then?
>>340158672
I just won a game as phariah after killing thier whole team twice. shit list
>>340158791
Is faceplanting over and over fun?
These picks only apply to high-level competative matches where each team is a coordinated premade with pros playing at the height of the skill cap. Not to mention these picks only apply to Payload maps and not KotH
99% of overwatch players on /v/ aren't playing anywhere near at this level, so someone picking mei isn't going to cost their team the game anymore than your average mcree or widowmaker
>I'm your huckleberry.
What did he mean by this?
>>340162450
/v/ was never good.
>>340162662
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE
>>340158672
why is mei in all of my games then
>>340162732
And yet it's better than 90% of the places to talk about vidya. Only makes sense though since people that identify as "gamer" are some of the most autistic fucks around.
>lag compensation
>poor netcode
>20hrtz servers
>competitive
LMAO
>>340162450
>implying
4chan today is a bunch of teenage and young adult normalfags pretending to be autists and NEETs. Look up the statistics to this site nowadays. There were a lot of weirdos' years ago when this site barely got 1 million visitors but not it's above 20 million, the weirdo's are vastly outnumbered if they havent left. It's just people pretending to fit in with the long dead culture. /v/'s userbase is indistinguishable from reddit.
>>340162564
>low tier means 0% winrate
>>340158672
Usage is not viability
Hasn't there only been like one fucking competitive thing with eight teams? I'd wait a couple more months before a "meta" forms.
>>340162789
I still don't get it.
>>340158791
Overwatch is not a game about "maining" a character, it's about switching.
>>340162792
Because you're in shitter babby garbage tier and the Mei player hasn't realized she could just be playing Mcree and do the exact same thing but better.
>>340158672
Groupthink bandwagoning on a single tournament means fucking nothing.
You know literally 0 about how metas work if you think this has any relevancy to pubs. Classes are made to counter other classes, if a current meta has, say, two McRees in every team, then the classes he hard counters will not be used as often. But that isn't the meta in Quick Play, so your chart is irrelevant.
>>340162879
They've been having tournaments since the beta was first released.
>i follow the competitive overwatch meta
with that tier list i'd say only the bottom 7 heroes really slow your team down
>>340158791
you shouldn't
we only have to wait a little longer then all these autistic assholes can go to ranked and leave our fun game alone
>>340162662
>>340162883
basically
>Im the guy your lookin fer'
>>340162908
>Because you're in shitter babby garbage tier
Not him but so are you statistically speaking.
Pubstomp heroes like Mei and Bastion are only lowtier against pro teams. Unless your win rate in quick play is >80% these picks don't mean shit.
>>340162917
This guy fucking gets it.
>>340162792
Because you are not playing in tournaments with that specific meta.
>>340162917
>if a current meta has, say, two McRees in every team, then the classes he hard counters will not be used as often.
The problem is that Mcree is a hard counter to all other characters.
>>340158934
winning with a shit hero is even more fun desu.
>>340163031
It's not like that's stopping you from picking Hazo every game anyways.
>>340162873
That's why I said it's wearing off.
I actually heard some normie talking about this place like it was the old days a few days back, saying how he can't "use this site" on a public connectionlolso it still exists to some extent. I expect early 2020s to be the turning point where this place isn't "a kinda better reddit" and instead just becomes the damn beast.
>watch a competitive match on twitch
>team consists of 4 engineers and 2 lucios
>they stomp on attack, defense, and koth
what a creative meta
>>340162873
they are all on their containment board /r9k/
>>340158672
>note: no king of the hill data
>lucio down
>winston down
>mei bottom
Wonder why
>>340158672
>YOU are losing your team the game.
OH MY GOD WHO GIVES A FUCK
Jesus fucking Christ, you autists
Here's a secret
YOU GET NOTHING FOR WINNING, AND YOU LOSE NOTHING FOR LOSING
Just pick a hero you enjoy, and enjoy the fucking game.
Winning and losing are LITERALLY THE FUCKING SAME THING
Oh, but you're a pathetic little child who needs to "win" in online games to give some sense of pathetic "achievement" to your worthless liveS?
Tough shit. Most people aren't like that, so most people play games for fun. Don't like it? Fuck off to Dota2 with the rest of the losers
>>340163084
Not really, but you are right that two McRees does pretty much put some characters out of the game.
>>340163139
yeah, but at least I won't have to listen to people whine about it
>>340158672
>wow, look at that chart!
>I'm gonna pick Lucio because all the pros use him so it will for sure help my epic k/d
>team comp is 2 gengis, 2 hanzos, widowmaker and bastion
You are literally hurting your team by picking the characters pros use if you queue in any less than a 6 man group with mics
>>340163084
>The problem is that McCree is a hard counter to all other characters
Balance issues do not necessarily relate to picks in the competitive meta, though for obvious reasons it can encourage certain picks.
It is just inevitable that certain characters will get picked more than others.
>uuuugh hurr tier lists din't mean shit in pubs
Yes they fucking do.
No matter how you spin it. McCree still beats everyone in close quarters and murders tanks with a double fan. Widow still dominates on far range and can just fuck off the moment she notices or hears Tracer/Winston/Reaper. Zenyatta still gets destroyed with single shots and is the worst healing potential in the game.
You or your enemies not being good enough to abuse all these advantages/disadvantages does not mean shit.
Picking Tolbjorn or Mei is akin to taking a knife to a gunfight. You may win SOMETIMES due to random factors or enemy's sheer incompetence but you are still being a shitter who brigs down whole team.
>Wow. I just lost the game for myself and five other people but it was sure fun playing this character xD
>>340163052
>Pubstomp heroes like Mei and Bastion are only lowtier against pro teams.
Mei is low tier by virtue of her being bad Mcree on all possible fronts and by huge margins other than her health bar, which is only relevant if there's a sniper and therefor is not relevant because they both fuck Snipers up.
Bastion is low tier at all levels of play unless he has a pocket Reinardt and a pocket Mercy, which isn't Bastion being strong, it's Reinhardt and Mercy. The same Mercy could be giving a Widow Bodyshot Armageddon and the same Reinhardt could be disrupting the enemy team while that is happening and have far greater impact than merely forcing the enemy team to double reinhardt and coordinate the fire strike.
>>340163231
Name one single character that Mcree cannot delete.There literally is not one
>>340163240
I understand your sentiment but desu lucio is almost always a decent pick.
>>340161893
Counting for an individual team. If your team doesn't have at least 1 mercy or McFag on the team you straight up lose the game. Good game Blizzard.
>>340163215
And this is why you will never achieve anything in your life and will die an anonymous nobody that nobody ever heard of or cared about
>>340162109
This.
Im tired of all that super serious competitive shit ruining all the fucking games.
>>340163287
C9 picks Tolbjorn and stacks their team with him and consistently win games.
>>340163287
You are retarded or just baiting.
Meta is fucking everything, it's not just which characters are played but how they are played, common synergies etc. You are meant to switch characters constantly to new situations being thrown up, the characters were specifically designed to be situational. If the tactics employed by the teams in that tournament are not being used in your game (so in other words it's a typical Quick Play game), you are free to use all the characters hard countered out by those tactics. This is basic shit.
>>340163235
No people will still whine about how you pick Hanzo and can't do shorn with him.
>>340163213
Mei doesn't get picked in anything competitive because Mei is honestly pretty weak. She's just fucking annoying.
>>340163027
also I think Mei and Bastion are good just situational.
Hanzo and Zenyatta are bad. Reaper and TJ are overshadowed. Dva is bad. Symettra and Zenyatta are overly nerfed and should just be reverted to beta status. 50 shields, orbs w/o LoS.
Point dps characters need to be built for the game, flankers need to not be released for awhile. Support position needs real choice. Main tanks need real choice, though off tanks feel pretty solid. Sniper, Builder and Flanker should all be seperate classes from the 4 we have now.
We have all these heroes on our 6 man group. I have a positive win rate
>>340163407
just like 99% of humanity ever has or ever will
at least I'm in good company
>>340163303
Zarya shuts him down pretty well.
>>340158672
This isn't really relevant to pub games other than the obvious overpowered/underpowered heroes.
A Soldier 76 can wreck shit in pub games due to teams not being supported well and he is self sufficient. Roadhog is similar. They both tend to do very well as they don't really need people backing them up and they will wreck the other team if they are not being backed up. Other heroes will perform better if there is teamwork though.
>It's super competitive and serious, their's pro matches and a vibrant meta.
>check out the game
>tickrate of 20
>horrible netcode
>lag compensation
>FUCKING LAG COMPENSATION
Please tell me that people thinking this game is super competitive is a meme.
>Playing Overwatch competitively
Fully blown autism
>>340163438
>Players discovering which characters are strong or weak so that Blizzard might get off their lazy ass and fix it is ruining the game!
Fuck off.
I don't get it
These tiier lists are literally irrelevant unless you're playing in tournaments. Why are they getting spammed all over the place?
>>340163407
>And this is why you will never achieve anything in your life and will die an anonymous nobody that nobody ever heard of or cared about
Yeah because winning in an online game is that fucking serious...
>>340163195
/v/ is the biggest containment board on this site next to /pol/. There's a reason why every other board sends it's shitposters over to /v/ aka /b/2.0
>>340160752
You know how mobile games can be boring, despite a constant barrage of flashing lights and colors saying how you're winning? Well, games can be fun, despite being told you're losing all the time.
>>340163569
it's not, but it should be
>>340162450
What you're talking about is cripplechan m8.
the problem with the meta right now is each team needs too many things at once. Multiple supports, a tank or two, someone to do damage behind the tank. 80% of comps are mercy luc rhino mcree widow and a friend. Playing with homies sucks when everyone wants to be flexable
>>340163606
The same reason /pol/ thrives on fucking collages, because they are easy to spread around to annoy and mislead people. It looks authoritative to idiots because it's a chart.
>>340163525
No she doesn't. She can survive one round of fan that doesn't mean she does well.
>Soldier 76
>Not fucking great
He's pretty solid on all ranges, does great damage, can heal self and the team and his ulti is good for clearing sites.
>>340163525
I only have about 2.5 hours of Zarya but I feel like that's wrong.
You effectively have 600 health if your shield isn't on cooldown and McCree can do far more than that with fan roll fan.
>>340163407
>wasting time trying to be competitive in fucking video games is correlated with real life meaningful achievement
Hahahah, I've fucking heard it all now
Yes, I'm sure all you fucking retards are going to be totally successful when your "e-sports" "career" falls through
>>340163720
>>340163732
Characters like McCree is the reason you have your shield. You can pop it at the right time to even eat the flashback, let alone the fan the hammer.
>>340163569
I think you have an option for higher tickrate servers when you make a custom lobby.
>>340158672
The cancer is here. This is how it starts.
Turning fun video games into cynical min maxing jobs enabling autists to harass people playing the game for the 'wrong' pick.
Neck yourself.
>>340163451
>C9
>irrelevant american teams
k bud
Maybe they could buff Mei by allowing her to freeze enemys faster in some situations, like if they touch her iceblock, wall, or get m2'd first
What am i allowed to play as, pls help
>>340163569
dont forget, hitscan weapons that are heavily favored by the lag compensation and 20hrtz servers
>>340163789
lag compensation still exists, thats something built into the game, even if you were playing locally it would sitll exist
>>340163796
this guy gets it
>>340163726
His ultimate is fantastic in pubs, but you've gotta realize that the other people that people are playing are Mccree, Mercy, Reinhardt, Winston, and Widowmaker most of the time, so his ult will be blocked by shields, bubbles, shut down immediately by a Widowmaker, the list goes on.
>>340163796
If you don't wanna coordinate with your team, you can mute all chat and voice channels in game and just play without a care.
>>340163785
Did you not read what I just said
Fan the hammer, reloading with roll, and then fanning the hammer again can do over 800 damage, far more than enough to kill Zarya with a shield.
>Tfw I cant play anything but tanks because no one wants to pick them
I have no problem playing rein-winston-zarya
But I want to play the rest of the roster too
>>340163378
I have a hard time thinking of ANY situation where lucio is not a great addition to a team honestly
fuck, even if you already HAVE a lucio a perma speed boost is nothing to sneeze at
>>340163837
Mei players pls go
>>340163452
Oh, I love the "you are meant to switch characters meme".
No. There is no rock paper scissors in this game. If you want ro snipe fuckers you pick Widow. If you want to murder the corridors you pick McCree. If you want to heal you NEVER pick Zenyatta.
Yes there are more situational picks like Rein or Sym but all listed examples are already set in stone.
And yes it is directly related to the fact that blizzard cannot balance for shit.
>>340163950
No one is going to do 800 damage with fan the hammer unless they land headshots consistently (which 90% of the players can't do), and any decent Zayra will have already killed a rolling mcree with her increased damage from the absorbtion shield.
>>340163945
there's a pretty big gap between wanting to play single player in a multiplayer game, and not wanting to suck all the fun out of a game by min/maxing it or having to deal with autistic faggots that can't understand that
>>340163950
That's not how Fan the Hammer or Zarya's shield works. At best you've hit her with a single run of it, and she's charged her shield to 50 and killed you
>>340163991
Zenyatta is for exploding tanks
As long as the enemy dont have a Widowmaker or a competent tracer / reaper/genji that is
>>340163991
Sorry but the devs themselves stated that this is a game about counter picking. If you aren't switching at least once or twice a game, you are a bad.
>>340163912
Well he's still great at all ranges, he's also able to heal himself and the team, when needed. The ult can be useful even in premade higher tier matches, if coordinated correctly.
>>340164124
Fan the Hammer doesn't headshot. It's just 70 damage per shot.
>>340163991
Ah you are just retarded then, cool thanks for clearing it up.
>>340162904
For you
But I don't give a fuck
>>340164124
Fan the hammer can't headshot. It does 420 total if all the shots land. From my experience I want to say that zarya won't kill McCree in time unless she already went in with a decent amount of charge.
>>340163796
Well... time to play against the bots because all this competitive faggots ruin the game
>>340164138
>some guy starts berating you
>right click his name and mute
There, don't have to deal with him anymore.
Plus, if he hates you so much, he'll avoid you and you'll never have to worry about playing with him again.
>>340164124
Fan roll fan does a total of 840 damage withing 2 seconds without headshots or any misses.
>>340163812
>amercian team
>more irrelavent than randoms in pub matches
stay delusional
>>340164153
>mfw zenyatta is countered by any single opponent having the presence of mind to briefly glance in his direction
>>340164284
Zarya eats one fan the hammer with her shield and still has all her normal health left over after that, and now she is firing at at least 50 damage
I've played 20 hours as Zarya I know what I'm talking about, cucking McRees is my bread and butter
>>340162617
/thread
>>340163027
>>340163465
They really don't unless you're playing in actual scrim matches.
Torbjorn can shut down most genjis playing in pub matches, even with their deflect. Anyone who is more than decent with Hanzo can easily wipe enemy teams because your average player is too stupid to dodge his ult or handle his shotgun arrow. Also Symmetra is picked frequently on certain maps when playing defense, she's just useless on attack teams which is why her usage % is low.
>>340163606
Because the Overwatch fanbase is literal cancer, just like with most Blizzard games and "competative" MOBAs
>>340164375
Half of that damage will be blocked by the shield, and that's assuming the mcree player can land all his shots (which 90% of players can't do) without the help of flashbang
You will not roll out unless the Zayra is literally braindead.
>There are Zarya mains.
>>340164162
>there is a general consensus among top players on which characters are best/worsr at their roles and which are situational
>there is literally no reason to switch out of Widow, McCree, Rein or Mercy/Lucio unless you want to leave an empty slot for their respective role
>it is directly caused by Blizzard's inability to balance the game
>BUT ANON, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO COUNTERPICK CONSTANTLY!
>Who the fuck told you this bollocks?
>BLIZZARD DID!
>>340164475
Zarya barrier gives 200 hp. A fan will rip through that and also into her shield. A second fan will finish her off.
>>340164747
She'd not my main but I play her all the time because she is great in so many situations.
>>340164284
>Fan the hammer can't headshot
Yes it can. A shot from FtH will do double damage if it hits the critbox.
This is why comp overwatch discussion on /v/ is pointless, you guys have no idea what you're talking about.
Why does Pharah have the highest skill ceiling in the game and is one of the weaker heroes
>>340164775
McRee is dead before he gets a second one off
I don't understand why people say op
I don't play her even though every loot box I've gotten has had a fucking Mei skin or emote or highlight intro
She's annoying but I play Pharah a lot so maybe I just don't get frozen enough to baby rage
>>340164667
200 isn't half of 840.
A Zarya with her barrier on has the same total HP as a Roadhog.
>>340164747
>lose argument
>you are just an x main
this is why overwatch threads are for shitposting
>>340163991
>Oh, I love the "you are meant to switch characters meme".
>No. There is no rock paper scissors in this game.
You're retarded. A simple example was a game where we were getting beat, I noticed they didn't have any hitscan heroes, so I switched to phara, and went on to wipe their team completely, finishing with 30% of teams dmg, because those fuckers never switched to counter me.
Sure, in pro games, people tend to switch less, because they usually get a balanced team from the start, but even then, they switch shit up because it's useful.
>>340164747
She's actually one of few skill based characters left in this stupid game. Shielding right people at righ moments requires both awareness and matchup knowledge.
>All the salt in pubs if you try to have any sort of fun
I can make an entire batch of mcdonalds fries with this
>>340158672
this doenst mean anythign when it doesnt show gamemode
reinhardt is absolute shit in koth and should never ever be picked
lucio is better than mercy in koth too
>>340162404
Has it at least been discussed somewhere we might find evidence? If this is true it's worth looking into
Competitive overwatch lolol
>>340164879
>le hover and fire lady
>highest skill ceiling
>>340158672
I'm a competitive Mei player, not a pro, but I scrim all day, and I can walk the payload by myself. I understand these are usage-based statistics, not actually how good/bad they are, like a real tier list would be, just want to say people shouldnt put too much stock into this, because every character can be great if you know how to play them.
McCree is probably the strongest in the meta right
>>340164917
It blocks more than just 200 though, the last hit that takes it over the 200 threshold is entirely blocked. McRee might get one or two shots past that in, by which point he is alread below half health
>>340163438
Holy shit, are you new to online games?
I remember it being super serious competitive back in the Quake World days of 1997. People braging how their new dialup ISP shaved their latency by 10ms so they could WIN.
Nothing has changed man, exception of you.
>>340162617
>99% of overwatch players on /v/ aren't playing anywhere near at this level,
>implying the skillcap in this game between good and shit players is all that big
>implying some broken characteristics of some characters dont apply at every level of play
A mccree is good on all levels of play, he is easy to play.
A lucio is the best support on all levels of play, you cant really fuck up that much with him.
A mei is shit on all levels of play, she needs way to long to kill someone from the way her weapon works and cant do shit vs non solo opponents.
>>340165071
>competitive overwatch player
>with a shit hero who also has a really low skill ceiling
this is a troll right?
>>340164845
no, you retard, it can't. Go google it if you want, but stop pretending to know shit when you're actually retarded.
>>340158672
>Overwatch has a meta
>while still having 20 tick
LOL, I'm pretty sure Adventure time MOBA had a more valid claim to have a meta than this cashgrab
>>340164879
Because she takes skill to play, skills that most of these teams don't have.
>>340165071
A really good played Mei is always less usefull than any other character played really good.
McCree should just lose the stun tbqh
>>340164882
Not possible. Particle cannon does 142dps with 50charge assuming you can keep it on for the whole time and that charge will come after the first fan. The second fan will come within a second.
If you assumed a perfect Zarya and a perfect McCree then McCree wins every time or even just assumed equal skill.
>>340158672
It doesn't matter because this game is braindead easy to play and will never be a serious competitive game. Almost all the heroes are fucking braindead to play, the only difference being how effective they are despite almost all being completely simple to play. The only real heroes with a high skillcap is Widowmaker, Tracer, and Pharah, but 3 heroes isn't enough to make up for all the braindead shit in the game like every tank hero, every support hero, mccree, etc.
>>340164930
>Enemy team did not have any hitscan heroes
Yeah. They were incompetent enough for you to get your way. You know who would have shut down your little trick? WIDOWMAKER or MCfuckingCREE.
>>340164450
>Wanting omnics to have an easy life
Begone apologist. They have to work hard just like the rest of us.
>>340164951
Just play RIneheart idiot.
>>340165264
I'm not assuming anything, I'm telling you what I've done fucking dozens and dozens of times.
You are forgetting that the McRee has been fired on the whole time. The second fan doesn't come within a second, you have an entirely fucked up idea of time. Half the original Fan the Hammer often hit anyway because instead of standing dazed the Zarya jumps out of the way as she starts holding down left mouse button on him
>>340165153
>hurr fan the hammer doesn't do crit damage hurr google it"
confirmed retarded in a post about calling others retarded
>>340163796
this tbqh famalams
>>340165262
It would be fixed if they stopped it from being an aoe and instead made it only work on direct impact.
>>340163796
hurrr durr i want my game to be casual garbage
Well guess what you've already won, blizzard intended this game to be made for simpletons like you. Picks in this game barely matter
>>340165295
yeah, that's what I'm talking about, retard.
If they had switched, I would have been controlled, but they didn't, so they lost.
And again, if you get a balanced team from the start, then sure, switching may not be needed, but even then, the enemy team can get shit to counter your shit, meaning that you'll have to switch something up.
Hell, switching is useful for different places in the map or different objectives.
Like you might want to get a few winstons to quickly cap a point, and then switch to a rein or whatever once you need to push the payload.
Switching is required both when playing against retards, and when playing at pro levels.
>>340163589
>>340165087
Sorry , but no.
I dont take winning in an online game so fucking seriously.
The only thing i want is have fun , i know that if you play is for win but cmon i dont want everyone so fucking nervous about winning instead of having fun.
Blizzard can be all the shitty company that you want but if the players take everything so serious then the players are ruining the game too.
Just have fun and enjoy your loot boxes.
>>340165082
Nope. Each shot is 70 damage so you would only lose 10 damage if that is the case. The first 3 shots of the fan will remove the shield and the next 3 of the fan, which all happens in a second, will take 210 of her hp. The second fan which will come straight after the first will do 420 damage in a second. That mean you have 240 damage overkill. You could even throw a flash bang after bursting the barrier for an extra 25 damage and stun.
>>340165474
>yfw it stuns from behind
fucking annoying as hell
McCree is fun to play as just a headshoting fool though
>>340165461
welp, I guess you're just trolling. Not sure if that's better than actually being retarded or not.
>>340165474
Make its a lock on aoe that affects the closest thing in the aoe effect.
From my understanding the stun is supposed to be viable against fast moving heros, as in ones you'd have a hard time nailing in the face with. So let it keeps its aoe but have it only affect the closest target
>>340165596
A game needs to have some sort of competitive aspect to be fun for a long time. Would people still be playing counter strike after a decade if it was the same casual shit overwatch is? Everyone plays on a few maps, with like 3 guns, and yet it still continues to this day. Keeping overwatch casual means the game is going to die out fast because everyone will get bored of its simplicity. That's already going to happen though so it's pointless to talk about.
>>340165680
>lose the argument
>hurr ur trolling
Keep being a retarded shitter. Nobody will ever take you seriously.
>>340158672
>play with friends
>always play heal or tank since someone has to and they wont at all
>i am like "okay pick this and this and this and we have a good strategy going"
>LMAO ANON FUCK YOU WE PLAY FOR FUN WE DONT WANT TO PICK TRYHARD
>proceed to pick tjorb and mei because "okay i am not gonna heal or tank anymore too and have some fun"
>we loose every single game
>the get visibly annoyed and angry in teamspeak despite "playing for fun"
>after like 10 games of getting shit on they suddenly start to make proper picks
That feel when you condition your shitter friends into picking decently.
People are huge hypocrits, they say they play for fun and dont want to tryhard, but apparently loosing all the time with their "fun" heroes isnt all that much fun to them.
>>340163958
I know that feel
>18 hours on Reinhardt and less than 2 on everyone else
I just wanna play genji and fuck up widowmakers
>>340165428
I am telling you what I have done dozens of times too. That is however irreverent. If you assume equal skill and not assume you can keep beam on him while his aim is shit then you can get to an objective view of it.
>>340162192
You went on the reddit overwatch, what'd you expect. The subreddit for any specific game is going to be full of delusional fanboys left and right.
who is the best Rien shield shredder besides bastion
I've found Phara is great at keeping his shield down
>>340161893
>>340161995
>>340162017
>>340162049
It's for each team. If their comp team picked Mcree every game then he would have 100% pick rate.
By being over 100% that means each team has at least 1 at any point during the game and sometimes they'll have 2 during every game.
Apparently they made a rule where you can only have 1 of each hero now per game because of this for the competitive scene.
>>340165754
I know that a game needs to have some sort of competitive aspect to be fun but look this
>im playing at de_dust2 and someone fucking rekt me every fucking time
>Then the rest of the team is like "GTFO Faggot you play like shit"
What you win being so rude?
Why analize every fucking aspect of the game instead of picking your favourite hero and play like you fucking want?
If you have fun analizing every aspect of the game good for you , but dont fuck up with the rest that dont take the game so seriously
>>340165805
Sounds like you guys are just bad
>>340166056
>1 of each hero
thank fuck
McCree stacking is the worst
>>340165091
>>implying the skillcap in this game between good and shit players is all that big
It is. Just about every one of you will get easily destroyed by a genuinely skilled overwatch player. No amount of casual meme spouting will change that fact.
The only character who is anywhere close to broken is Mcree, and even then he still has less than a 70% usage rate on Koth maps (which were not recorded in this tier list) outside of is fan the hammer combo he requires aim to use effectively and his ult is easily punishable.
Lucio is a borderline useless support on medium and low levels of play where lucio players don't use his mobility and aim effectively. Mei is fine at medium and low levels where your average player gets easily distrupted by the ice wall and don't know how to handle her icebeam 1v1. Mcree also gets shit on vs non solo opponents due to his lack of mobility.
You are shit on all levels of play if you think competative picks are relavent in pub matches
>>340166117
Well they are bad and that their decision making at the picking screen sucks is one reason for it.
But the times i dictate strong picks we win way more often than when they pick random garbage, which kinda proves that there is a huge difference in character viability in all levels of play.
>>340165554
>hurr I want to a game literally designed to be casual seriously
Kill yourself
I'm going to keep picking D.Va
>>340166029
Junkrat
>>340166330
I'm sorry, I was just fishing for a reaction, I know you're right, but what's wrong with playin your favorite characters every now and then
>>340166321
>You are shit on all levels of play if you think competative picks are relavent in pub matches
I think you are overestimating how bad people in pub matches are.
At least on my rank people play competent mccrees. And dont get disrupted by meis.
>>340166383
I also like that he can send the Rein flying
>>340166029
Junkrat
His bombs do a good amount of damage and when I hear his ult my first instinct is to charge in the opposite direction and hide
>>340163287
Mcree is the only must pick hero right now because of how obscenely braindead easy it is to use his Flashbang + FaN combo. Every other hero tier is literally meaningless when playing pub matches at the level retarded /v/irgins like you are playing at.Most Widows do not have the skills to dominate and can't effectively counter a charging Winston.
Picking a top tier character like Mercy isn't going to do shit if your team can't even protect your ass let alone their own. Have fun using your ult to rez just to watch your incompetant team wipe again since they couldn't stay alive in the first place. Anyone who isn't complete shit at this point realizes zenyatta is more useful for his discord debuff than his heal, combined with his kill potential makes him a better pick than Mercy on teams that can't capitalize on rezs.
>You or your enemies not being good enough to abuse all these advantages/disadvantages does not mean shit.
Nigga, it's a fucking team based game. You and your team/enemy means everything when it comes to exploiting advantages/disadvantages, because certain tactics flat out don't work against teams at certain skill levels
You are a total shitter who brings down the whole team if you make picks based on tiers in solo queue where they are uterrly IRRELAVENT
>>340160554
>playing offense on a payload map
>2 teammates pick Widow
Welp, that's a wasted 4 minutes of my life, because that payload isn't going anywhere
>>340166312
Yeah I just hope they do that for actual ranked matches. Stacked teams are fucking annoying but it gets especially bad when you go against some shit like double lucio double winston double mcfree
Or even a normal comp with 3 McFree's
The competitive viability of characters is completely different to their viability in pubs.
Do you really think Mei, Torbjorn and Bastion are shit picks in quick play?
>>340165596
I was more responding to the notion that serious competitive players are a new phenomena, because it's not.
Don't get me wrong, I'm in the same boat as you. I play for fun but I also like to win. Wining isn't everything to me but it's a nice addition to enjoying the game it self.Lets be friends~
>Mei is the worst
>Mercy is the second best
loving every goddamn laugh
whoever made this list is a retard
>>340166840
>Do you really think Mei, Torbjorn and Bastion are shit picks in quick play?
Quickplay has a hidden mmr rating system.
If you rise up a bit, yes they are even shit in quickplay.
>>340166723
>"too many snipers!"
>No one listens
>>340166959
But mei is legit bad and has flaws that you everyone can see pretty quickly.
I dont need a tier list or anyone elses opinion to see that mei is a bad pick.
Anyone with enough experience and understanding of the game would come to that conclussion.
>>340166482
Actually you are underestimating how bad people in pub matches are if you think they are anywhere near comparable to pro teams playing in tournaments.
A "competent mccree" according to /v/ is someone who can fan the hammer after flashbanging and use their q behind enemy lines. Mcree shouldn't die to mei, but I guarentee more than half of you have gotten killed by a circlestrafing mei after throwing out your combo to kill another player. Also your rank is just an indication of how long someone has playing, it doesn't represent skill or MMR.
Feel free to test your theory out by stacking tripple mcree in quick match and see how far you get.
>>340167026
Incorrect.
Next!
>>340166912
Thanks for understand Anon.
Im kinda sick of all that competitive shit ruining the fun and that...
I love you Anon (?
>>340167156
>Also your rank is just an indication of how long someone has playing, it doesn't represent skill or MMR.
All this talk from a guy that doesnt even know that the game uses a hidden rating system in quick match.
Protip i wasnt talking about my account level.
But apparently your rating is so low that people are infact this bad in your games.
They arent in mine.
>>340165630
You're way overthinking it. Your average mcree player will not get 210 damage off a shielding Zayra. The second fan won't happen because mcree will be dead before he can finish his rolling reload. And you're just kidding yourself if you think most mcrees are competent enough to throw out a flashbang after a Zayra shield
>>340167228
But its true.
The devs even confirmed it on a stream you massive shitter.
>>340166116
>What you win being so rude?
Judging by your post, you're Brazilian so you deserve all of that.
But either:
- You leave, which means they get a new teammate who doesn't suck.
- You step up, which means they get a teammate who doesn't suck.
- You stay and continue losing, which means they're no worse off.
They have nothing to lose and everything to gain from calling you a shitter.
>>340166959
>whoever made this list is a retard
it's a graph of useage in a competitive Tournament, not a teir list you mongoloid
>>340158672
Is this faggot autistic because he's repeating the exact intro for every single character.
>>340167298
>All this talk from a guy that doesnt even know that the game uses a hidden rating system in quick match.
Ok so where did I say that?
Protip: Your rank != your MMR. You literally used the word "rank" which is measured by how much XP you've gained. Not your hidden ranking, which is something you wouldn't know because it's fucking HIDDEN
You resort to ad hominems and moving the goal post because you don't have an argument. Just fuck off already.
>>340158672
Team composition should be reinhardt, mercy, and 4 rolling cowboys
>>340167410
Im from Argentina , not Brazil.
Sometimes i play like fucking shit (Most of the time) and other times i have a streak of 16 kills with Bastion.
I prefer lose but have a good time that being with faggots that took the game so fucking seriously because they dont have social life.
>>340158672
>Genji is 9
Phew!
>>340158672
>maining
LOL
SOME HEROES ARE SITUATIONAL
SOME HEROES ARE GOOD IN ONE MAP
THERE IS NO FUCKING TIER LIST, YOU FUCKING SMASH/LOL RETARD
>>340167398
>The devs confirmed that Mei, Bastion and Torbjorn are shit picks once you've won enough games.
Yeah sure they did.
Or you just have no reading comprehension.
>>340163303
>Mei is low tier by virtue of her being bad Mcree on all possible fronts
Except for her wall and iceblock self healing, which mcree doesn't have and is enough to counter players at less than pro-tiers.
>Bastion is low tier at all levels of play
That explains why Bastion is the 2nd most complained about character on /v/ and on the forums next to mcree, who has the stigma of being the top picked character in competative payload games.
>it's a "/v/ tries to talk about competative picks episode"
this board is just a edgy, less moderated version of gamefaqs
>>340167801
Right, you're bad so you have resigned yourself to losing.
Anyone with even an ounce of skill can be understandably upset when they lose because of a terrible teammate.
>>340167957
As someone who picks bastion he is a big fucking target
You better not let the enemy see you or they will dive into your entire team just to get you from the flanks
Bastion gets focused really hard by any competent team, to the point you cant do shit without risking death
Say it with your mouth: Save me Satan.
>>340167843
Do you even know how tier lists work?
>SOME HEROES ARE SITUATIONAL
>SOME HEROES ARE GOOD IN ONE MAP
Because this is what tier lists usually factor in.
They just tell you which character does the best overall in any map and any matchup.
Top tier in e.g fighting games doesnt mean a character cant have a bad matchup vs someone else.
It just means that they OVERALL have mostly good matchups.
>>340164747
>There are people who play one of the better classes in the game
wow
>>340168203
Sorry but i have things more important about being proud of myself than "MUUHH I WIN IN AN ONLINE GAME , IM SO COOL"
>>340158672
>>340168251
My point is not that Bastion is OP or even high tier.
My point is that he is a pubstomp hero that works against most teams in quick play.
>Bastion gets focused really hard by any competent team,
Which makes up less than a faction of most teams in quickplay.
Anons who claim not picking a top tier hero will drag your team down are posturing as if they are playing near or on the same level of these tournament players. Anyone who can rub two brain cells together realizes they're full of shit since we're on fucking /v/
>>340168715
Being a pubstomper means jackshit if he is shit against normal players
You dont even need to play against pros to get shutdown as bastion
Anyone with a cell will focus him
>pay 40/60 dollars
>get on
>go 1-30
>try switching characters
>keep getting raped
>1 win a week
JUST PLAY TO HAVE FUN GUYS ISN'T THIS FUN :^)
>>340168308
This tier list isn't based on matchups or universal maps.
It's factoring in the rate in which a hero was picked in one tournament on Payload maps only.
It does not factor in Koth and other maps. It is NOT the percent chance of seeing a particular Hero in a Match, something you would know if you and the everyone else in this thread wasn't regurgitating disinfo and spreading it around in an echo chamber.
>>340169326
Picking a top tier means jack shit if he is shit against normal players.
The vast majority of you are playing in pubs. So pubstomp heroes are just as if not more relavent as your precious top tier picks
You dont even need to play against pros to get shutdown as any character. Anyone with a cell will switch to counter him, unless he's playing mcree in which case glhf
>>340163991
>rein
>situational
into the turlet it goes
Break McCree's legs turn him into the new Zen.
>>340167398
thanks for confirming you're stuck in shit tier mmr
>>340170107
Yeah Bastion is supposed to be terrible but yesterday my friend and I held them near the fountain on Temple of Anubis. He was Reinhardt and I was Bastion and they didn't get past us until about 30 seconds left on the clock, and when they did get us the rest of the team was there to keep them back.
>>340167347
ping her from range so she panics and uses the shield
reload while closing the gap, take no damage because zarya has shit range and can barely tickle you unless she's fully charged
shield is gone because it lasts as long as a pigeon fart
flash fan roll fan gg
>>340170268
That would be the only nerf that would actually make him worse, what they announced as his nerf sounds like it wont impact him at all.
Mark my words after the dmg nerfs to his fan the hammer he will still be meta for the next year because he can still oneshot anyone but tanks just as good.
>>340158672
I guess there advantages to being stuck at an "mmr" where every hero is viable.
>>340170445
You're already dead before doing half that shit. Also her shield lasts just as long as your fan the hammer combo.
You can come up with all the scenarios you want in your head, but nothing will change the fact that someone with a shield or other counter will be able to shut down your mcree
>>340170367
But you just denied that there is an mmr system.
>>340158672
>Overwatch
>Competitive
This game will never be considered competetitive or an esport for one simple fact: Blizzard.
Then have no fucking clue how to make and support their games to be on par with other esport game.
>no ranked
>no lan
>no spectate
Blizz balance as usual, and as long as loot boxes give them money, they won't care. Shit, WoW arena is fucked as always, HS still has no proper spectate support. SC after so many games doesn't even have fucking lan. And HoS is a joke.
My point being, who fucking cares about tiers if the game is not even a comp game to begin with?
>>340170656
every hero is viable at of the 'mmr' 99% of people on /v/ are stuck at
>meta analysis and tier lists
>in a game which is pretty close to the pinnacle of casual
It's kind of funny how the meta tier list is almost completely backwards when you consider which characters can most easily pubstomb like Mei, Bastion, and Torbjorn just because your average casual player doesn't know how to counterpick them.
>>340170268
Mcree already has the lowest mobility of any offensive hero in the game.
if anyhting Zen needs a speed boost or better yet give him a bump in armor and/or shield
>>340163991
Rein is a must pick in nearly every team comp you know this right?
>>340158791
That's the problem exactly. If characters are so broken and useless, like mei and hanzo, that they can't do anything in comps, why would they be any better in pubs? Just because people are presently bad at the game and unfamiliar with mechanics doesn't mean they always will be. I tend to do well with reaper, bastion, and zenyatta, but if they're really so bad that they can't fit into a team of highly skilled players who are abusing every mechanic possible to win, that suggests that they are either made irrelevant by skill or are gimmick characters that don't serve a real purpose. Games have to be balanced around comps because balance considerations only make sense in regards to the most skilled players. You wouldn't say widowmaker is underpowered because someone who really sucks with her barely contributes to the team. You would say she's overpowered because she's a nearly guaranteed pick that counterpicks herself every time.
>>340158672
>read: DON'T pick fucking HANZO
Went on a 43 kill streak yesterday on console with 29 headshots. I can't help that you're all fucking bad.
What is the counter for a 6 man rein party doing a testudo?
>>340158672
I always pick the last 3 and I still win 85% of the matches. What now OP?
>>340171184
Bastion and Junkrat
so can someone explain this to me, during the beta everyone was bitching about mei, but now she's the least used character? was she nerfed or something?
>>340171278
>Bastion
They can just switch places until they can safely charge
>Junkrat
Get charged or "e" killed on long range
