ITT: We discuss why SC Chaos Theory is objectively the best purist stealth game ever created.
Also, what do you guys think the next splinter cell after blacklist will be like?
>>340146949
>the next splinter cell after blacklist
I wish they'd leave this series alone, too much damage has been done already.
Conviction and Shitlist were a mistake.
>>340146949
>the best purist stealth game ever created.
WHAT?
>>340147079
Honestly, I enjoyed conviction. I liked the break from full on stealth everything. I didn't go guns blazing, but it was nice to just play as a Sam who just didn't give a fuck anymore. Besides, it was the last SC with Ironside as Sam.
Also, RIP Tom Clancy : /
>>340146949
>Also, what do you guys think the next splinter cell after blacklist will be like?
Featuring pssshh nuthin personella Sam? No thanks.
>>340146949
Disagree with CT being purest, best stealth game but it's up there
Splinter Cell is dead to me now.
>>340146949
chaos theory is truly the patricians choice that still holds up not only gameplay wise but graphically on PC
hilarious that CT came out when MGS3 did but the gamer girls and ps2 ledditors are spouting it as the best game ever made because muh feels and anime
OP here, idk about you guys but I still play Chaos Theory religiously. I usually try to go as far as I can from the beginning without dying and without being spotted and if I do, I just end the game and start again tomorrow, you only get one try though, you should try it its really nerveracking.
>>340147801
this precisely
MGS3 is fucking meme tier stealth
>>340147801
Though CT is the better stealth game i had more fun with MGS3. Not sure why you brought up the comparison
>>340148002
why did I compare 2 stealth games that came out the same year and are the third installments of their respective most famous stealth franchises?
>>340147973
mgs3 isnt even the best metal gear game yet it gets hailed as one of the best games of all time
are there any mods that make chaos theory harder?
i'm replaying it for the first time in years and i don't remember it being this piss easy on expert
>>340148103
MGS is hardly real stealth though it has all round better games than the SC series. Imo anyway.
I'm more partial to Thief games anyway
>>340148259
how do you play?
if you want to go truly hardcore you have to use no weapons at all or gadgets
>>340148267
>MGS is hardly real stealth though
funny considering that things like the basic aiming/ shooting controls are abysmal in MGS 1-3 while they are fine in splinter cell
>>340148409
sneeki breeki, non lethal unless i can't avoid a kill without savescumming
is it possible to ghost the whole game outside of scripted events? maybe i'll give that a try
Thief 1 & 2 > chaos theory > mgs3 > splinter cell > mgs5 > thief 3/4 > mgs1 > miscellaneous stealth elements in various video games > mgs2.
Also, I think we can all agree that Amon Tobin did a fucking 20/10 job on the soundtrack.
>>340148531
It is; very hard though. I've been trying to do it without dying once, that is the ultimate challenge.
>>340148548
are you retarded? MGS3 "stealth" is literally going into a menu and seeing what has the highest stats and then crawling around
fucking MGS2 requires actually some thought and execution, MGS4 is much better, Ground Zeroes has the best stealth in the MGS franchise by far
>>340148548
Dat oldfart.
>>340146949
Thief 2 is better tho
>trying to ghost this shit
>>340148698
OH FUCK ME I hate that part so goddamn much.
You literally have to guess it
>>340148698
Triggered
>>340148693
ehh
I grew up on the SC series so i'm partial to it
it even taught me how to be stealthy around the house at night as a kid, since all the player movements are pretty correct in terms of actual quietness irl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UXWB49FnPk
this guy is a fucking god
>>340148693
>all dat FM content still being released almost 18 years after Thief 1
T1/2 are my personal goats
>>340147214
>Besides, it was the last SC with Ironside as Sam.
While true, the stellar writing that made him such a treat was gone by then.
>>340146949
I've always wanted to see a crossover Tom Clancy game, like bringing together Ghost Recon and Splinter Cell or Rainbow 6. They hinted at it in Rainbow 6 Vegas when you get picked up in a chopper by a Splinter Cell agent
>>340150650
shit, that would be goat
>>340150650
You do air support for Ghost Recon inHAWX
>>340151539
Yeah in the first mission. You can also unlock pic related in HAWX which was a unit in End War.
How is there anything to discuss?
You only get 100% if you are a ghost. No other game does this.
And I like that they actually evolved into that instead of regressing (remember the forced "action" scenes in 1).
blacklist was great you annoying contrarians.
Way better than conviction.
Literally all they have to do is bring back Ironside to play Sam, make Sam the new Lambert, create a new young hero to play as, and dedicate a couple flashback missions where you play as Sam in classic Splinter Cell gameplay.
>>340152203
True, to an extent. Conviction still has a place in my heart because it was the last game with an amon tobin soundtrack and ironside as sam. The new sam sounds like a faggot but the gameplay is pretty alright
>>340152779
do want, holy shit
>>340153821
Switch Conviction and Blacklist and you're gold.
>>340146949
I hope the next splinter cell is non-existent, the series is past its prime and needs to stop, although blacklist wasn't bad.
>>340146949blacklist is better
>>340148002
He's salty and MGS enrages him. You get these types in Splinter Cell threads, while in MGS threads, stuff like Splinter Cell or Syphon Filter aren't even a factor. I mean, I'd be pissed off too if a franchise I liked was dead as fuck, Ubisoft won't even make a SC pachinko or UFO catcher game, it's that done. Atleast Konami is making a MGS 6 after seeing V's sales.
>>340154921
Are you 12? Do you validate yourself with the franchise you like "being alive"? The only MGS game thats even remotely good is Ground Zeroes
>>340148636
Just use Splitter camo in MGS 3, it's good for all around sneaking.
Agree with you on Ground Zeroes to an extent. MGSV had the best sneaking in any game I've played, especially with the options for approaching a target.
>>340155134
>The only MGS game thats even remotely good is Ground Zeroes
>Because I say so
>>340155196
You sound retarded, are you?
Its not remotely good because "I say so", its the only one thats good because it objectively is
Its not held down by retarded non-mechanics like menu browsing, terrible unintuitive controls or horrid writing/ characters
Anyone prefer to go panther over ghost?
>>340146949LOL
>>340155330
>Its not held down by retarded non-mechanics like menu browsing, terrible unintuitive controls or horrid writing/ characters
you sound like 12
![splinter-cell-conviction[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oJuctdu.jpg "splinter-cell-conviction[1].jpg")
Remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ70T5SPhRY
>>340154921
>tfw the rivaling devs aren't even this petty
>>340158834
Yeah. I think they repurposed a lot of it for Assassin's Creed, and Watch Dogs could be considered a spiritual successor.
I've just rushed through Double Agent after years, man that was bad. As in really bad
>>340158834
The end result is honestly better. You can say Conviction isn't Splinter Cell but the original concept REALLY wasn't Splinter Cell.
MGSV is a better stealth game.
>>340159742
I played the PC version. One of the most horrible experiences ever.
Reminder that a new Splinter Cell has been in works since 2014. We might see announcement at this E3.
>inb4 open world with tanks and more casualized shit
>>340160017
mgsv is silly and makes no sense
Choose
Never played an SC but am willing to try out other stealth games.
Should I play it on the HD collection or did Ubisoft fuck up so bad that I should find them on XBOX original instead?
>>340159742
>rushed through a Splinter Cell game
Well there's your problem.
>>340160017
MGS V is fucking shit, between it and 4 kojima ruined his own franchise
>>340160017
>forced action sequences
>better stealth game
Pick one. MGS has always been a joke.
>>340146949
Real talk: Chaos Theory has a 10/10 first half but becomes shit around North korea
Soundtrack is GOAT though
>>340160052
Me too, apparently the ps2/gc/xbox version was better, but I can't get it to work with dolphin/pcsx2/opl
>>340160204
Double Agent was really short
>>340147079
>implying blacklist isn't a return to form and the best splinter cell after ct
>>340160201
I seem to recall hearing there were issues with the HD versions, but I'm not sure. I know that Pandora Tomorrow has problems on PC where some shadows aren't rendered correctly on modern GPUs. OG Xbox isn't a bad way to play them, IIRC that was the lead platform for the first 4.
>>340160201
>HD collection
Splinter Cell has shit frame rate, full of glitches and bugs, often can't save.
Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow has less bugs and is playable, however terrible frame rate.
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory is pretty great on the collection. Controls are good, it plays alright, looks ok.
I would play the original on PC, PT on PS2 and CT on PC because the PC controls are fucking amazing.
>>340160397
Also forgot to mention this was on PS3 collection, not sure if 360 is any different.
>I would play the original on PC, PT on PS2
Or on the original Xbox of course.
Thief 2 > Chaos Theory > Blood Money > MGS1
>>340160376
Pretty sure you are a single guy how spouts this nonsense in every SC thread.
It has nothing in common with the previous titles but the name.
>>340160397
If there's any franchise that deserves a proper remastering for this generation, it's Splinter Cell (especially the first 3).
But Ubisoft probably won't do it because it would clash with Neo Sam.
I remember the 2 free DLC maps for the original SC. They were cool as shit.
>>340149208
Cool
>>340150650
plz no
it will be a cross over with the division and you know it.
>>340156334
One long panther combo first playthrough.
Then ghost.
>B-BLACKLIST IS GOOD GUISE
>>340146949
It's always a matter of what franchise you played first/liked most.
I like CT, I don't like the fact that you just knock out people at melee range when they're alerted.
I could play the Phantom Plot for that bullshit.
>>340160904
that's all games though
to appeal to wider market
like lag compensation in shooters, fuck that.
>>340148548
Funny how MGS2 is lowest, when its VR missions would top any solid before or after it.
>>340160390
>>340160397
OK then.
>>340160017
I liked MGSV's gameplay but what the hell happened to the level design?
>>340155330
>You can turn off reflex!
>You can turn off marking!
Then you sound starting like a Thief 2014 apologist. They should have never abandoned the Solid 4 controls either
>>340160397
Funny. I played them one ps3 without a fuck. I remember se bullshit bug in pt but everything else was fine.
>>340161092
It's probably ranked low because someone still can't get over Raiden.
>>340161309
Not really.
I'm assuming he's talking about First Person Shooting ADDED to the already overpowered Soliton Radar.
It doesn't help that the hardest challenge of Euro Extreme is that bosses will fuck you up.
>>340161220
>what the hell happened to the level design?
Kojima fell for the open world meme.
> Tom Clancy died
> 2 years ago
What the hell?...
>>340161490
>implying he died
>not got killed by KGB
>>340160572
It's okay dude, I hated it too. Until I played it.
I love both Splinter Cell and MGS, I think MGSV and CT are my two favorite stealth games ever.
Didn't like Blacklist though, as fucking dumb as MGS is. Blacklist felt way too Tacticool and Nuthin Personell. Sam can just fucking run up and shank five guys without anyone having time to react. Even MGSV isn't that lenient with its AI.
Maybe it just the style, I liked SC as the more grounded stealth game and MGS as the more silly badass stealth game. I don't think that style fits SC and I really fucking HATED new Sam.
>>340161249
what exactly is supposed to be good about the controls in MGS4? Literally the only thing you cant do in GZ that you can do in MGS4 is the ground submission, and thats because your groundslams already knock the enemies out now
also youre retarded if you have an issue with marking , you need to see the enemy first to do it, the map is huge, and MGS4 had a radar and the solid eye
>>340161928
>MGS as the more silly badass stealth game
Yeah, that's kind of the mentality of MGS.
Even though you can sneak your way through like a standard sneaking game, the game gives you tons of options and tools to fuck around with, and encourages you to use them.
>>340160376
>return to form
>replace the GOAT voice actor with someone 30 years younger than him
okay, pal.
>>340148259
>mod
>not the 1st person mod
Well, you have something there.
>>340162156
Okay, I'm not defending the replacement of Ironside, but dismissing the whole game because of it is pretty stupid. Besides, the guy's over 60. He couldn't be doing any of the motion capture necessary for the game.
>>340162069
Ground zeroes as blacklist has the WORSE context sensitive shit i ever saw.
You cant control both sam or snake as you like, and end up going into wall or doing weird shit.
>inb4 press 5 buttons to do simple shit
>>340162487
>He couldn't be doing any of the motion capture necessary for the game.
That's always been a dumb excuse to me. You can record facial and body motion capture separately. Blacklist did exactly that apparently.
>>340162487
then get rid of Sam and start a spin off series with a new character. the end of Conviction was pretty damn conclusive, Sam was out. but Ubisoft decided to ignore that entirely, because they are terrible game developers and they don't know what they're doing anymore.
>>340160086
>Blacklist was released in 2013
Has it really been that long?
>>340162848
I thought it was released in 2011 or 2012
>>340161490
most of his stuff was ghost written in the last few years as well, he just became a brand name.
Spies v Mercs is LITERALLY the best multiplayer mode of all time. That was blacklists only redeeming quality.
>>340162069
>Ground Zeroes comes out
>you can't select fire mode, something that has been in MGS since MGS 3
>think it'll get added in the main game
>The Phantom Pain comes out almost two years later
>you still can't select fire mode
>>340146949
how do you go from badass seasoned agent with a dark sense of humor to generic grim dark action game protagonist #312314?
i hope Richard Dansky (writer of Conviction and Blacklist) and his co-writers get ass cancer fucking hacks
>>340162914
Agreed.
Why the fuck does Blacklist feel older than it actually is?
Meanwhile I was fucking shocked to find out Mirrors Edge was almost 8 years ago. Feels like 4-5.
>>340149208
>zip lines to the sign overhead
I didn't know you could do that
>>340162069
If you need marking to get through V, you don't belong in this thread.
>>340163639
Are you genuinely retarded? Where did I say that?
>>340163831
Then quit apologizing for its inclusion, you cuck.
>>340146949
>not Thief: TMA and Gold
truly a special kind of shitposting
>>340163935
>some retard says X mechanic is casual
< explain why its less casual than what the series has has up till then
>w-well u cant even get thru the game without it...
< where did I say that?
>S-STOP APOLIGZI FOR ITS INCLUSION C-KEKCUK
pic related, trying pretty hard to sound hardcore there
>>340164024
Splinter Cell guys are alright.
I have a feeling LGS would've dun goofed a slight on the third title too judging by the Invisibility potion and Frogbeast egg in Thief 2
>>340164132
XD HE SOUNDS LIKE THAT LOL
no MGS title is hardcore, but I don't think anybody asked for a fucking Squeenix type wallhack.
>>340160729
>Not Sam Fisher sneaking around as a R6 operation takes place
>Not R6 going in after Ghost Recon clears an area
There are so many better options and we'll get none of them :(
>those graphics
>that Amon tobin
I still don't understand why more games don't use the mouse wheel more cleverly like in CT instead of just being a weapon wheel
>>340147079
At least blacklist was better than conviction holy shit
Still fucking awful though
>>340164502
because of people like
>>340164132
>>340164750
Well argued kid
The reason is people who think MGS games are bad? My other posts in the thread are
>>340155330
>>340155134
>>340148636
>>340148103
>>340147801
>>340165148
Don't let them rustle you, they're just mad that MGSV is an unfinished mess
>>340165251
>>340165148
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So... We have to make it morecasualskeda
>>340165251
an open world, casual to the max, wallhacking, health regenerating, quicktimed, action packed unfinished mess.
>>340160234
There are hardly any action sequences in 5.
>>340161405
the hardest challenge may be the bosses, but the guards were always tough to move around in 2
>>340166868
The AI was impressive, that's why I regard the VR missions so highly.
>>340166934
that's my point. you may have gotten new abilities, but the stealth was still quite difficult. much harder than 3
>>340166934
>that forced 1st person with the AK
Felt so lost.
>>340167115
3 was too lethargic for it's own good.
>>340146949
>Chaos Theory
>the best purist stealth game ever created
Thief 1 and 2 did it first and better. Chaos Theory is still a bitchin ass game though.
>>340150650
You're referring to Vegas 2. The NSA agent is dressed up like a Splinter Cell agent.
>>340167290
Slightly off topic but does anyone have the image of the tiers rating the thief missions from best to worst?
>>340146949
Thief.
T1 & 2. GOAT.
SC is good for it's time, but, thief rapes it's ass like a Brazilian prison gang on mexican child molester.
