Is this correct?
>>340145914
>torb
>hanzo
>GENJI
counter to McCree
>>340145914
black icons are what characters can counter, or what characters can counter it?
>>340146256
The latter.
>>340145914
Genji doesn't counter McCree, all you need to do is flashbang his feet
Torbjorn is also too situational to be proper counter
>>340145914
>Mei
>Countered by Lucio
The best he can do is run away. McCree has no hard counters, and Mei's only hard counter is McCree
>>340146591
>be lucio
>mei starts freezing me
>hit alt fire
>skate away
>>340145914
>McCree
Neither Genji nor Torbs counter him
>Widow
Remove S76, add Genji
>Bastion
add Genji
>Hanzo
remove tracer, she dies way to easily to scatter arrow
>Torbjorn
add Junkrat
>D.va
add everyone but Winston
>Reinhardt
add Reaper
>Streetpiggy
add Widowmaker
>Mercy
add Genji and Tracer
>Zenyatta
seriously, no widowmaker? he 1 body shots him
>>340145914
how the shit is Roadhog a Pharrah counter
I mean I know he can hook her, but that shit should not be happening if you're a good Pharrah
>>340145914
>mccree gets countered by genji
whut inb4 muh epic reflection
>>340146221
>>340145914
Fuck no, Reinhardt's biggest counter is fucking Mei
>>340146221
>>340145914
>anyone countering roadhog
>>340145914
>D.Va, the character in most need of a buff
>The least amount of counters
Anyone who's not Winston can easily take on D.va
>Roadhog
>not countered by Zenyatta
>>340146221
I sense a pattern, friend
>>340146669
She's not dead in the end of that
>>340146669
So just abandon your team on the point and let her kill them? Sounds like a solid hard counter to me
>>340146919
Might be his speed amp to save people from meis freeze. Its what I do as lucio when i see her throwing her ult or freezing someone
Winston counters Rein, his gun goes through his shield
The idea of counters is silly because it's entirely team specific.
Case in point: I just had a game earlier on defense where my entire team when Torbjorn.
Apparently it should have been easy as shit for the enemy team since they could just send Mei (???), Genji, D.Va or Reaper out to kill us all.
What happens in practice is PuGs don't have that much co-ordination so their Pharah's all got shot out of the skies, their Genji's and Reapers all got killed long before they could get in position and no-one else managed to do a thing.
Crossfires and defensive chokepoints meant it was literally the easiest game ever, they didn't even get close to the first point.
>>340147052
>The idea of counters is silly because it's entirely team specific.
nope the game is all about counter picking.
>>340145914
Genji rekt Bastion all over the fucking place and McCree fuck Genji right in the ass
>>340146591
Can't you just Reinhardt her?
>>340147051
takes 5 minutes to kill him though, a few swing from his hammer and your dead.
>>340147052
That's PUGs for you. Anything involving teamwork goes right out of the window if your team is assembled randomly.
>>340147225
If you get Reinhardt to take down his shield with any teammates nearby you've already won
>Genji and Mcree are both countered by Zarya because her lazor beams go through genji's reflect making him a shitty tracer with more mobility. Her shields also nullify the effect of Mcree's flashbang
>Reinhardt is not countered by Zenyatta, since his orb does not multiply damage dealt to his sheild
>Tracer is countered by D.Va, since tracer has to get into D.Va's effective range to deal damage, and D.Va's high armor reduces each tick of damage from Tracer's SMGs by 5 points which drastically reduces the damage D.Va takes
>Tracer is countered by torb, because 100% accuracy hitscan turrets
Other than that the list is O.K
>>340147438
Sure, if the reinhard is alone. which he 99% of the isnt since his role is guarding people.
Main reason I'm posting here is seeing Bastion only countering Zarya apparently, even though Bastion is a solid anti-tank character because you don't stick him in the open and when the enemy advances you put immense pressure on a tank to either buckle (shield breaking) waste them outright. They do a lot of damage and then usually die to anyone who specialises in dealing damage, so they're good mainly against high health targets on their own.
>>340147108
According to Blizzard, Ace Retards in game design.
The only thing they haven't done is make a hilarious call like Sakurai saying normal Samus in SSB4 is OP when she's positively one of the worst.
>>340147225
Good thing Winston outranges Rein and has an escape.
The point is Winston can shoot through his shield while being shielded himself AND hit anyone else behind Rein.
Also a good Winston can't be killed just by keeping his ult saved to turn any fight.
>>340145914
Add Pharah to Junkrats counters. Unless you're a pipe god you can't really do anything to her.
>>340146669
>he thinks it knocks her back far enough
nice delusion there anon
>>340147601
Well if youre bringing ults into it if a winston starts zapping with rein having his ult ready too, all he has to is press Q no ult for you and the teammates next to you are wiped too.
Other than that you can scare a winston real fast by charging into him which either he will die or leap away somewhere else.
>>340145914
>D.Va
>Not: Everyone
>>340145914
This list is fucking awful and you don't even have to look any further than the fact that the dumb redditor that made it thinks that every class has the same amount of counters which anyone who has played the game for even 5 minutes would know is not true.
>>340145914
>Pharah
>Not countered by literally everything
>Least of all fucking Torb c'mon man
I'm so glad McCree is OP, he's cool as fuck.
thank god some shit tier character like DVa isn't the OP hero
>>340145914
>all those bastion counters
buffs when
>>340147876
theyre getting nerfed and buffed soon, respectively.
Hope youre ready for mcree to be shit tier and Dva to be every-fucking-game tier.
>>340145914
Zarya doesn't counter Zen. She's annoying, but no more than Rein shield, and Zen can be in the back most of the time. Zen ult also negates Zarya ult more than the other way. Tanks don't counter Zen, period.
>>340147773
Except for the bit where Winston doesn't work with teammates. So you're ulting to get a guy who just got 1000 HP and will definitely outlast your ult before escaping.
Winston still has a strong edge.
>>340147876
>he thinks Mcree is OP
How are you enjoying your first day playing Overwatch anon?
>>340147773
Rein's biggest problem is having that charge, because it does not sync up with his kit at all. He's too easy to kill while he's charging in a large area and he usually winds up surrounding himself with enemies far away from allies.
If it wasn't ridiculously high damage it would never be used.
>>340147986
>>340147601
>>340147438
>>340147051
>Ever doubting the glorious man that is Reinhardt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNUJqAiecg
>>340145914
>Genji
>McCree counter
Look, I've reflected High Noon as well, but Genji gets fucking destroyed by any McCree that knows how to press left shift and click the right mouse button.
>>340146221
This guy gets it. Even after they nerf his right click it's still going to be true. Fucking McCree is going to make me drop this game.
>>340145914
>Mei counters Genji
Wat?
>she's freezin'
Hit shift
>she's wallin'
Hold space
>she's sniping
Throw stars
The only way Mei counters Genji is in edge cases. If she's losing, but only slightly, she can iceblock and come out on top. Also, if they both pop their ults hers beats out his. But if the genji is on his game, he can reflect her ult, so it's not a 100% beat.
>>340148750
Genji can't reflect mei's freeze beam.
>>340148847
He can reflect her ult though.
>>340148923
Good work, 5% of the time he doesn't get fucked, provided he's close enough to reflect her throw.
>>340145914
>hanzo counters genji
in ever situation? nah, a good genji is as annoying and zippy as a good tracer, gl shooting him hanzo
>roadhog counters pharah
with what? because of his hookline? sure
>reinhardt counters 76
how
>roadhog counters tracer
again, how, because of his hookline? roadhogs are the perfect ult builders for a tracer, he hardly counters her, hw's he going to hook her with her blinking everywhere
>lucio counters reaper
m8... what's he going to do?
>no tracer under bastions counters
get gud
>zaryas icon isnt pink
no anon its not correct, not at all
>>340148750
>>340148923
being mei against a genji is the greatest thing, he can do fuck all against her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krbhq4uO0oE&list=PLzaZjpHugfN4f9JgtqhpHWE_332wSl28p
>Genji countered by Hanzo
Isn't it literally the opposite? I usually run at Hanzo's, get some star damage, and E in their face to kill.
>>340149081
>>lucio counters reaper
>m8... what's he going to do?
Boop him away whe he starts ult to save the team
>>340145914
>that reinhardt
Who the fuck made this piece of shit? The only thing right in that is McCree, but he only counters Reinhardt by virtue of being fucking OP, not because he's meant to counter him.
>>340145914
>no snipers as a counter for d.va
>not mei or a sniper as a counter for mercy
>no snipers under zenyatta as they can literaly bodyshot him
>lucio as a mei counter, as if he's going to be able to run away
who makes these lists and why to they think its ok to be wrong
>>340149205
just because you can interupt an ult once in a blue moon doesnt make you a certified 100% counter son
>>340148847
>Genji can't reflect mei's freeze beam.
Yeah, you press shift and move out of range. Then take her down fast with stars.
I literally typed that already, perhaps you're just slow:
>>she's freezin'
>Hit shift
Do you really think she's going to catch up to you with your wall climb and double jumps? If you can't consistently hit that slow fatass while you jump around her like a ninja, you shouldn't be playing Genji against anyone.
>>340149362
His ult nullifies his ult too.
>>340149294
>snipers countering d.va
What?
>>340146678
>>D.va
>add everyone but Winston
So far Winston is one of the only characters I am consistently losing to as D.Va because her shields can't block his tesla cannon. The only thing I can do is try to boost away or hope he's low enough health that I can take him out before he does enough damage to me to destroy my mech. Same with Reimhardt because his primary attack is a hammer. Pretty much everybody else I can just put up the shields, wait for them to blow their alt/have to reload, then I boost in and kill them.
>>340146221
spbp
>>340149294
Holy shit, I just realized that Widowmaker isn't under Zenyatta because I just assumed she was there.
This list is retarded.
>>340149415
to call something a counter though implies if you pitted them against eachother, both good at their respective characters, the "counter" would come out on top, being able to negate an ult is an nul point because then you could just say mcree could stun him. in a 1v1 lucio cant do much
>>340149382
m8 then you must be not a braindead enji because nearly all the ones iv seen get frozen and headshotted, every tim
>>340149451
d.vas headhsot hitbox is hueg
>>340149456
D.va beats Winston pretty consistantly if they're both at full health. They have the same HP, but D.va has armor so she effectively has more HP. Her guns also deal more damage than Winston, while not consistant, and they can get headshots for even more damage. Winston's only chance is to put down his shield and try to constantly go between being in the shield and outside of it so D.va can't keep up, or hope she's really bad at aiming. Even if he does manage to get the upper hand on you, you still have a good 2 seconds to finish him off with your pistol once you get ejected out.
>>340145914
>Symmetra
>Not countered by toilets
>>340145914
>Mercy Counters
>Not all other 21 heroes including other Mercys
I'm sorry, are you saying a Mercy is stronger against people other than Genji, Reaper, WM, and Winston?
>Zenyatta
>No Winston or WM as coutners
You've literally never played this game before, have you?
>>340149661
>d.vas headhsot hitbox is hueg
Doesn't matter. You just boost and matrix to the widowmaker/hanzo and kill them from close distance. If they run away, you can just boost after them.
>>340146221
>Implying you can't farm mcccree with MY TURRETS
>>340149831
Mercy is easiest to take out with those heroes is the point I think.
I play Lucio and I go out of my way to kill her because nobody else will but I would have a much easier time doing it as one of those 'counters'
>widowmaker
>has counters
no
>>340149831
I dunno about Winston against Zen, Winston's hitboxes are so huge it's easy to get headshots on him, plus the orb of discord increasing the damage means insane damage output against him.
He eats through most of the tanks because of that. It's pretty much the only group of characters he's really really effective against.
>>340145914
Whoever made this as no idea how D.va works...
Tracer shits on Winston, Mei and Roadhog, you just need to dodge the hook for roadhog, keep a distance of Mei's freeze and focus down Winston, using recall to heal once
McCree is easy too, you just dash as soon as you see him to dodge the predictable stun, only tricky part is he can get lucky with right click shots
>>340149894
are you saying dva can boost across route 66?
or up to that little room in kings row from the statue?
because i really think you're exadurating the distance traveled and also its cooldown if you think you can chase someone down with it.
plus at that point you're being a shitter for not being with your team and helping negate damage
>>340146678
>Neither Genji nor Torbs counter him
Play with better people
>>340145914
If you can't kill any dude with any hero you're shit at this casualshit game, like most people are.
>>340150006
Tickrate lag shenanigans cause me to sometimes get stunned as I'm going through the dash. It wouldn't be so much of a problem since I get stunned away from where he's looking, but again he only needs to hit like 2 of his fan shots to get the kill.
The others though, I agree. I destroy Roadhogs and Winstons as Tracer, as long as I don't get hooked.
>>340148450
What if they justremoved the flashbang.
>>340149983
>I dunno about Winston against Zen,
Zeny's strength is in long range sniperlike shooting. Winston is the counter for that, he leaps into Zeny's face, drops his bubble and Zaps him dead in seconds.
Sure, if the Zeny is a good shot and the Winston didn't land close enough then the battle wont go the way it's supposed to. But if you assume they're of similar skill, the Zeny loses the DPS race against an opponent that specifically negates Zeny's advantage (long range target picking).
>>340149894
>be d.va
>widow is taking pot shots at me
>boost past enemy team and kill widow
>enemy team push and take objective
>>340149952
other snipers can counter widow
or if you're this guy >>340149894 D.va counters widow maker because she can boost :^)
>>340150119
>if you can't kill Reinhardt with Mercy you're shit at this casualshit game, like most people are
this was bait and I fell for it, hook line and sinker
>>340148750
Playing Mei is just being a bully to the enemy genji
also to reflect her ultimate you have to do it precisely in front of her
>>340150020
>are you saying dva can boost across route 66?
Depends on which part you're talking about.
>or up to that little room in kings row from the statue?
Yes, just tested. You can easily reach it.
>its cooldown if you think you can chase someone down with it.
5s cooldown. Chasing after people is not hard as D.va.
>plus at that point you're being a shitter for not being with your team and helping negate damage
That's not how you play D.va.
>>340145914
>walk around a corner
>random arrow hits me
>instant death
>shitty character then gets rewarded with the ability to random an arrow through walls and kill entire teams
Hanzo has to be the most brain-dead character in the game. Such a shit character.
>>340145914
Why doesn't Symmetra counter Reinhart when that's probably the single character in the whole game that's she'll ever hit (on purpose) with her stupid mooninite bullet?
>>340150182
>be d.va
>widow is shooting at my teammates
>stay back and shoot barely dealing any damage because of hte distance while the widowmaker snipes our supports and squishies
>>340146221
this is more accurate
same goes for widowmaker the only counter to a GOOD widowmaker is a BETTER widowmaker.
>>340150367
Not him but implying you'd be able to chase down the enemy sniper, in reality you'd use one boost and then get burnt down by a competent team before the 5 second cd has even finished.
>>340145914
genji counter hanzo not the other way around
>>340150181
It's still pretty close, unless I'm wrong Zen should do 135 per orb if he's hitting headshots with the orb of discord, and he can put out close to 3 of those in a second. It's possible for Winston to win if he lands on top of Zen with the initial jump, but it's such a close call it's hard for me to say he's really a good counter. I think the characters who can pump out super fast damage on him are better counters, like with Reaper and Tracer.
>>340150269
>Playing Mei is just being a bully to the enemy genji
If the enemy Genji is garbage.
I kill the frosty fatass all the time as Genji. Just keep outside her spray range. Which the game has given Genji every tool in which to do so except a jetpack.
There's plenty of other characters that can't run from Mei once she's ambushed them. But many of those characters have easy damage they can hit her with.
Notable exceptions are like Zenyatta. He can't escape her frost unless he out DPSes her which is difficult because she can wall and block. With his little HP bar, and no "press e, receive kill" button, he's fucked. For fun, lets check the OP and see if Mei is listed as a strong counter to Zeny, which she should be because he's fucked in any ambush from her.
>>340149456
>>340149735
D.va beats winston handidly in a straight-up DPS race, her armor means that winstons gun barely touches her. Winstons mobility is higher though especially when shooting so he shouldn't have to take that encounter
>>340150416
Reinhardt is going to hammer Symmetra away faster than she can beam him to death, even if she has a level 3 beam already built up. The only thing she's going to do as far as countering him is force him to drop his shield and fight back, which will hopefully either cause him to die from your team shooting him, or everyone else behind him to die from your team shooting him.
>All these retarded opinions by shitters who think they know how to play.
>>340150416
>with her stupid mooninite bullet?
Oh god it's true.
You'd expect that something that takes so long to charge, creates such a large projectile, and travels so slow, would actually do damage when it hits.
Nope.
on route 66 from the bottom of the first petrol station all the way to the top right of the first gate, where widows usualy stand.
little room in 66, from the statue, she cant reach it, she falls before getting there, you must be going to the wrong room or you are too far away from the statue.
the point of me mentioning the cooldon, you've just used it to get to a widowmaker, well done, the widowmaker jumps down from ehr ledge, you chase and drop down too, she zips up somwhere else and your boost is on cd still... are you really going to play cat and mouse with her? no you're not, so your point is null
>thats not how you play d.va
lol m8 neither is chasing down snipers, you're most usueful being with your team and blocking ults and the like, or being annoying and poking their supports, i dont main d.va but i reckon id be a better d.va than you
>>340150714
Fully charged it hits for 125 damage, and pierces enemies and shields. It's great for choke points and people huddling behind Reinhardt.
>genji counters roadhog
he's literally one of the easiest target for a hog
>>340146591
Pharah is basically a hard counter to Mei.
>>340150482
Depends on where the enemy sniper runs off to, how many teammates he happens to have nearby, and how busy those teammates are with your own teammates.
The worst case scenario is that you remove the sniper from his sniping spot for a while and distract the enemy team. The best case scenario is that you kill the sniper while also managing to disperse the enemy team. Always assuming the worst case scenario is retarded as hell.
Besides, this started with some retard claiming that snipers counter D.Va. I never said that D.Va counters snipers, just that she doesn't get countered by snipers.
>>340150656
But fucking up his ability to protect his team is literally the most important thing. Otherwise you have to have your whole team try and focus down his shield while not getting mowed down by Bastion, Tobjorn, or even Hanzo. Reinhardt can barely do anything without his ultimate to stun people and if there's even a single turret slowing him down he'll never ever catch up to you to retaliate.
>>340150773
was ment for
>>340150367
>>340145914
Not, it's bullshit.
Also, Counter meme should die.
At most any of those are Checks. There are no counters in team based action game with human skill involved.
>>340150875
He can still charge into people without his ult. And a good Reinhardt isn't going to push in and let the little sentries ruin his day, unless his team is really shitty.
>>340150803
>It's great for choke points and people huddling behind Reinhardt.
Ideally those people huddling are shooting back with things more powerful than the slowest moving projectile in the game that you only have to sidestep to avoid.
I've hit tons of people with it, but I don't remember it causing a single elimination ever. It feels like it's been the victim of some horrible nerf because it previously charged in 1/4 the time or something.
>>340150823
Snipers do counter D.va though, every hero counters every hero because its based on player skill like >>340150902 said.
>>340150967
I've gotten a triple kill with it before, but of course people were softened up. Ideally you'll want to charge it behind cover and then let loose from around the corner.
If you're lucky someone will run right into it and then you can beam them in the face.
>>340151041
Yeah, playing Symmetra is oddly similar to playing Hanzo until you get up in their face.
>>340150823
>I never said that D.Va counters snipers, just that she doesn't get countered by snipers.
then whare are you even arguing for then, you've just given asspull reasons on what a dva could do against a sniper. but you could literally do the same for any character couldt you <X counters Y> "yes well X could do... even if it is against their role or as if it works every time, so therefore Y is not a counter! HA!"
sperg
People seem to think "counter" means that if you put each of the characters in a deathmatch arena battle then the one that kills the other "counters" that character
Protip: "Counter" means that the countering hero can prevent the other hero from performing their function on a team. The easiest example being widowmaker countering any backline hero with less than 300 hp. An example of somebody not countering somebody else would be stuff like >>340150006. It doesn't matter if you can outskill those people to beat them 1v1
>>340145914
>zenyatta doesn't even have widowslut as a counter
>>340151164
except Symmetra isn't going to get random headshot kills
>>340145914
>hanzo counters genji
wut
>symmetra counters genji
only a retarded one, her turrets are no threat when you make use of his mobility and in 1v1 genji oneshots her.
>mei counters genji
that's ok but she is not a hard counter
>winston counters genji
in most situations yes but if genji knows map well enough he can just wallrun>dash away.
where is zarya in this list?
also what counters every class is proper teamplay.
at the end of it, this whole thread and conversation is utterly pointless because:
>>340150902
>>340151171
are spot on, its all down to player skill and how you use your characters abolities to disrupt and outplay your opponents abilities
>>340151284
>>winston counters genji
>in most situations yes but if genji knows map well enough he can just wallrun>dash away
Are you implying winston cant leap after his ass and finish him off?.
>>340150773
>on route 66 from the bottom of the first petrol station all the way to the top right of the first gate, where widows usualy stand.
Tested. No problems. Are you sure you're not starting your boost from a retarded place, before you get in the line of sight of the sniper?
>little room in 66, from the statue, she cant reach it, she falls before getting there, you must be going to the wrong room or you are too far away from the statue.
There was no room I couldn't reach from the base of the statue.
>your boost is on cd still
Barely. You'll have at most 2 seconds left on the cd, generally less.
Maybe you should actually try playing D.Va.
>>340146221
/thread
>>340151294
Yes, sure. Providing my on definition of "counters" is moving the goalposts in a sense. But we cannot really have a meaningfull discussion if we use the same term to mean different things. If you want "counters" to mean "wins 1v1 vs that hero" then go right ahead, but that will indeed have the consequence of most offensive and flanker heroes countering most other heroes since that's literally what they're designed for.
>>340151284
>she is not a hard counter
Fucking thank you I'm tired of the le Mei is so op meme
I main Mei yes I can kill tanks by myself if they are retarded but she really is not that hard to kill
>>340151170
>then whare are you even arguing for then
>>just that she doesn't get countered by snipers
Can you read?
>sperg
That whole post of yours is you sperging out. You can barely make sense of what you're even trying to say.
>>340151448
>>340151171
Dont bother with these people, they just think if you cant kill someone 1v1 it isnt a counter since most people treat OW as a glorified TDM which is why most people pick offensive+snipers characters anyway.
>>340145914
>>340151645
Also Mei does not counter Tracer what the fuck are you thinking
Personally, I haven't come across a Genji that didn't eat shit after a scatter shot and a couple of arrows.
Maybe every Genji I've come across when playing Hanzo has been shit.
>>340145914
>>340146221
How do I read this shit? Are the smaller icons what counters the larger colored icon?
Also are you saying Genji isn't Bastion's counter? I fuck them up all the time as him.
>>340145914
This list was from the closed beta, get with the times OP
>>340151419
no, i am not.
this thing is heavily map and skill dependant. there are some maps that allow winston to easily fuck up genji because there is not enough room to maneuver and there are some that are big enough and open for genji to just run away from him.
but yes, in this list, winston is perfect for fucking up genji. of course everything depends on personal skill but winston always has an upper hand.
>>340151645
she is a bit irritating but for fucks sake, it's not hard to avoid her as genji or even kill her.
>>340151781
genjis mobility is advantage against hanzo allowing him to jump on him from almost every direction. In close quarters hanzo is always at a disadvantage because of his slow movement speed and fact that he has to draw his bow in order to shoot.
many genjis try to engage enemy head on instead of using mobility to backstab them gaining upper hand in dmg done.
>>340147916
Never because half of the players are too retarded to figure out how to counter him or not to walk in his sights constantly.
>>340147916
bastion needs a rework so hes not dogshit vs competent players but not a complete pubstomper but I doubt theyll change him at all. Hes like the spirit breaker of overwatch.
>>340145914
No because it shows D.Va having the least coutners in which case would mean that she's the best hero in the game which is false
>>340150481
Na. D.Va and Winston can counter any widowmaker
>>340149762
Don't know why but I laughed.
Symmetra is doper than I've thought. Really satysfying.
>>340145914
>Hoggers being countered by Genji, Soldier 76, and Torb
>>340153479
Surely roadhog is countered by anyone who can do decent damage outside the range of his hook
>>340146690
Pharrah flies pretty slowly, but if she keeps her distance she can't get hooked. But if shes close enough and she doesn't have boost she's an easy target to hook.
>>340153692
And this is why you gotta play him like fat assassin instead of just standing out in the open like a free ult builder.
>>340153824
he is also shit as an assassin. go figure.
Junkrat counts as a Reinardt counter, he can dump grenades on his shield, his mine can send him flying, countering his main role and his trap can immobilise his charge
>>340153867
Oh I feel obliged to disagree. If you got a 1-shot combo, you're hard to kill even if caught and can sustain yourself in between your eliminations, you are all set to assassinate.
But mcskill can counter anyone, even people in their ults with e+m2
>>340145914
this is the closest non-meme list I could make. I don't play all the heroes so i don't know all of their counters but I added the ones I do know.
>>340153867
>he is also shit as an assassin
Nigger what? He almost 1 shots the squishes, and, if your team isn't complete shit, the hook is pretty much a guaranteed death for pretty much any character, except maybe Tracer and Reaper. Just don't try to fight sustain damage characters, like soldier 76 and Reaper or Reinhard alone.
>>340151937
low mmr detected
>>340145914
>widow not a counter to zen
YOU HAD ONE JOBi'm a zen main
>>340154691
swap zen as a counter to roadhog with zen as a counter to mei and i'll agree
far too much risk of hooking when playing as zen
>>340145914
Zen is countered by literally every dps class. Except for Roadhog, I like the balance between those two. You're beyond fucked if you get hooked but if you stay back and discord him, he melts.
how is mccree op when he has 49% win rate?
>>340145914
Roadhog counters everybody except for Mei
>>340155189
>play king's road as zen
>trying to hide behind statue near the payload
>get hooked from the other side
>get pulled into the little pocket and pulled into the medkit
>fully healed
>>340148750
All Genji can do against Mei is stay far away from her and harass her. He doesn't have the damage output to kill her at long range before her iceblock heals her back to full unless he is really accurate with them.
Going mid or close is an instant loss as she will freeze you in 2 seconds. Genji can only reliably go after Mei if his ultimate is active and deflecting Mei's ultimate is something that is only possible in theory because any smart genji will not get close enough to Mei to reflect it, and any Mei will not ult into a Genji's face.
>>340155417
http://masteroverwatch.com/heroes
>>340145914
Pharah is countered by pretty much everyone except winston, dva, and supports. Most everyone can shoot her out of the sky with ease. Rockets have to be direct hit to be effective so yea if you have amazing aim you're fine. I'm used to being able to shoot around a corner or at peoples feet and still be somewhat effective. Doing 20 damage for a rocket that hits next to someones head is just agonizing.
Also rockets are super slow (I feel) relative to the damage and firing rate.
I know that if they just upped splash damage a little she would be devastating so they can't really do that. Some rejuvenating armor would be nice so one shot from a torb a mile away doesn't take you out of the fight.
>>340155562
>>340155417
You need to take popularity into consideration. A lot of bad players will pick him because they hear he's OP
>>340155030
Strong breezes counter Zen.
>>340154691
>that wall of counters for genji.
first 4 I can agree but the rest is total bullshit.
>>340155768
if you're shit at zen, yeah
widowmaker is far more of a tracer counter than tracer is a widowmaker counter, yet so many lists i see have tracer under widowmaker. good luck with that if the widow is on a rooftop or some other vertical location that tracer cant reach
Pharah is definitely a hard counter to Junkrat.
>>340155113
Zen can stay in the back line and apply discord which turns Roadhog from a damage sponge into just a big target.
How does Zen counter Mei? He doesnt counter her more than he counters anyone else.
>>340155949
i've killed airborn pharahs with junkrat. You just need to get good and learn to lead
>>340155887
literally any flanker teleports behind you and kills you before you can turn around.
And if you stay too close to your team to prevent that you die to a stray bullet/widowmaker.
Zen is fucked no matter what position hes in, he needs a dedicated reinhardt shield to be playable.
>>340149952
Winston
>>340156072
sounds like you just suck ass at zen
>>340145914
>Zen and Roadhog counters to D.va
What
How do you...
WHAT
How is Mei not a counter to Rein? The freeze goes through the shield
>>340148003
>He thinks McCree isn't OP
You will never be good at this game anon
Mcree has counters? ;^)
>>340156298
Zen is pretty obvious, by doing discord and shooting from a distance at that massive target. Roadhog shouldn't be on there though, of course it's possible to win as Roadhog, but it's more a matter of skill.
>>340155816
Pharah and Junkrat shit on Genji, 2shot him with rocket and grenade AoE, it doesn't even have to hit. His moon jumps combined with lag compensation make any AoE a death trap for him.
He has no answer to Roadhog except for avoiding him and needling him from afar. Roadhog can heal to full before Genji's weak shurikens make any progress.
Tracer and Reaper are a stretch, I'm doubting those. Genji can hunt Tracer down but a good Tracer will always control the fight and weave in and out, using recall to heal if she gets low. Genji can't run from her unless he climbs up something. Reaper has to literally not kill himself, just point his shotguns in a general direction and even at long range they do about as much damage as shurikens but they are hard to miss with and can be spammed. I would consider him to be a soft counter.
>>340145914
>Zarya only Bastion counter
what
>>340156396
I dunno man, even with the orb on Zen it's pretty damn squishy and easy do mow down as D.va. It's actually one of my favorite targets.
>>340156620
Only at short range, and line of sight from Zen. Generally the Zen will be behind enemy lines, near other enemies as well, so boosting in is stupid as well (considering you have discord). Bad Zen's will be easy of course, but that's the case with every hero.
>>340145914
>mei doesn't counter zenyatta
A single ice to the head and he's dead. And he barely moves as it is, so it's piss easy to hit.
>>340145914
overwatch is a shit game and no that is not correct
>torbjorn counters mcE
mcE can just pop in/out of cover, 4-5 shots and and toblerone turret goes down
>widowmaker counters mcE
not if he has a good tank or is flanking, which he is doing one of those things if hes playing properly
>genji counters mcE
>mcE presses E near instead of on genji
>another free kill
>hanzo counters mcE
how would he?
hes same as anyone else, mcE is close then you are dead
>Implying torbjorn's turret+ shotgun dont shit on tracer
>>340156752
I see
Well, chances are I'm of this is due to my flanking approach with D.va
>avoid open and frontline combat
>flank like a motherfucker
>get close and personal by popping outta nowhere from behind
>>340156567
Junkrat can get shit on by genji. When you get at his face he is basically dead because he can't defend himself from reflect or nonstop shuriken spam followed by melee/dash combo.
For me pharah is not a problem when I play as genji. When I have to, I avoid her but when it comes to a fight, I almost make her taste her own medicine. Also if pharah is busy dealing with genji he is doing his job cause he is supposed distract enemy team.
Also it's not genjis job to deal with roadhog but it's a free damage sink to charge up genjis ult.
I have a weird feeling that you think that every genji charges everyone head on like a retard and dies instantly. Genjis job is to jump on enemies not charge at them, he is supposed to go from behind and time his attacks instead of rushing like a retard and dying instantly.
Genji is not a frontliner. He is a assassin. His priority is not to get spotted while getting on position.
>>340147052
>play with friends
>enemy is 6 torbs on hanamura defend
>tell them to pick a few soldiers and pharas with one or two Reinhardt at it is easy mode
>but muh mains!
>slightly lose it because it isn't the first time torbs raping us because apperently 25+ years old men can't into basic tactics
>we barely win at the end
One guy who played Zenyatta refusing to switch still tries to convince me how useful is that fucker against 6 turrets.
>>340145914
I went directly to McCree and Mei.
The only counter to Mei is McCree and there is no counter to him. That image is absurd.
>>340146221
I literally came in to suggest this.
