Why hasn't any faggot capitalised on this and made a good game? The source material is rich for a witcher 3 like game.
>2016
>good games being made
They made an RPG based on it a few years ago, but it was pretty linear and otherwise forgettable.
The point is that it really doesn't lend itself to interesting gameplay. Swords'n'sorcery is dime-a-dozen these days, and the unique selling point of ASoIaF is the political intrigue, which doesn't translate well outside of grand strategy, a genre not frequented by ASoIaF fans.
>>340101292
The Witcher games are as close as you can get
>>340101292
>book known for complicated polotics and diplomacy
>low level rpg combat
Witcher 3 would be a terrible template.
the problem with all the games is that they're trying to focus on oc characters instead of just telling a story that the show hasn't told. at least the telltale game had some main characters in it.
A Total War-like game would fit the best imo.
>>340101292
Play the Crusader Kings II mod. That's the kind of setting it is. GRRM himself has a few set rules on how the story pans out and just goes crazy with who lives and dies. It's really not a traditional narrative like The Witcher.
>>340101292
Because the story is about clay claims, backstabbing and political intrigue. So the only sensible choice would be a grand strategy game.
I said it once I'm going to say it again. old valyria done by fromsoft
>>340101735
>implying warging isn't a cool mechanic that's easily implemented into games
>>340102782
Nah, Lord of the Rings is a Total War setting. ASoIaF is an intricate political opera, not a series of military campaigns; it's totally a Crusader Kings II grand strategy setting.
The setting itself is not interesting. At all.
It's 100% held up by the characters and the plot. So fuck up with the tw suggestions.
>>340101292
>witcher 3 like game
pls no.
A better template would be Shadow of Mordor. Like, for real, the story of Benjen Stark is pretty damn similar to SoM already.
The problem here would be the fact that the Wights really wouldnt have any personality like the Orcs do.
>>340103263
>That GoT pleb who thinks the fat hack has written anything more than a lurid soap opera hiding behind the veneer of 'realism' and talks shit about LOTR being too simplistic
>>340103210
Go back and play Oddworld
>>340103280
All the living characters are shit though.
Reminder that Stannis did nothing wrong.
game on The First Law series pls.
Glotka helluva character in a game.
Just found this little gem OP, looks like it might be cool.
>tfw the game is officially considered vaporware
>>340103453
That's kind of the point I was making. The overt plot for LOTR revolves around war and defending against invasion and conquest, while GoT is all politics and drama.
>series hasn't been interesting since season 4
>jumped the shark in season 6 with all its rapid conclusions because that fat fuck finally realized his dozens of plot lines are literally going nowhere
>still watch it
Inertia at work.
>>340103453
LOTR IS simplistic compared to GoT though.
>>340101292
>HOLD THE DOOR
The games go through HBO and they have no idea what they're doing. They should make an GoT spinoff of one of the following games.
Total War
Crusader Kings
Mount and Blade
Chivalry
Kingdom Come
>>340104019
>not reading the books
>not knowing that everything from season 5 onwards has been the show's writers' fanfiction that doesn't follow the books
>not knowing that even though the first four season followed the books more or less they basically left out half of the story
I watched some of season 5 and couldn't take it seriously, it's hilariously bad. Jamie is going through a lot of growth in the books and the show completely ignored it for Dorne fan fiction.
Also, the show has no "The north remembers, Ser Davos," which is one of the best moments out of all the books
I really fucking hope that hold the door shit was writer OC and not something Martin told them is in the next book
>Start reading the ASOIAF wiki after last week's episode of GOT
>Find the map
>Read about interesting places like The Sorrows, Asshai, Stygai, and of course Old Valyria
I keep thinking an open-world game where you could visit these places would be nice, but there's no way you'd be able to capture the sheer scale.
asoif is largely developed in noncombat situations. plotting, schemeing, its mostly character development.
You could say the same thing about LOTR yet the best games out of that universe were largely, alright.
The best games most of the time come from an original ip.
>>340104784
>implying
I read the books and yes, they're better. I especially don't like their subtle change of some characters in the show. Like Catelyn lamenting her treatment of Jon, trying to make her look less like a cold bitch.
That's nothing compared to the 6th season though. That fucking pep talk of Daenerys on her dragon was the most cringy thing in the whole show. I will be mad as hell if that bitch gets what she wants. But who am I kidding, that's exactly how it will turn out.
>>340105441
For what it's worth, Wheel of Time had a decent FPS based on it.
Granted, it was set 150 years before the events of the books with a new storyline, but it was still a respectably fun game with a neat multiplayer mode involving tower defense.
There are 3 games out. They are capitalizing...
>>340104339
The Lore isn't though. If you want Lore, you go to Middle Earth, if you want politics and drama, you go to Westeros.
>>340101292
Wasn't Bethesda asked to make one but they decided to make skyrim?
Also i doubt a game would fit because the most interesting parts of the books were the schemes, revelations and tense moments that didn't revolve around combat in general
In a game you could conquer westeros, free cities, dothraki lands and old valyria in days with the power of valyrian swords with special limited gamestop dlc edition GENOCIDE enchantment
Also every guard would say
Winter is coming
Because arrow meme
The new season looks like video games anyway.
Might as well.
It's been dead for years.
>>340101292
Could work at a mount and blade style game.
>>340101292
Just play the mod for Crusader Kings 2, it's better than any official game could ever be
I just want a sci-fi series with the same level of political shenanigans and plotting. Dune gets close but it's too esoteric at times. Star Trek was close during DS9 but then the writers lost all interest and made season 7.
I HAVE A REALLY BIG COCK
>>340106393
>I just want a sci-fi series with the same level of political shenanigans and plotting.
I didn't watch it but isn't that basically BSG?
>>340106449
LMAO
>>340104784
If it makes you feel better, show is finally putting Jaime in his book role by sending him to Riverrun.
>>340105521
Had to remind the audience how powerful Dany was by finding and taming in less than a minute the same uncontrollable dragon that was resting on a hill hundreds of miles five episodes ago... and that they still had the CGI dragons.
>>340104784
I read somewhere that Martin said gave the rough outline as to the hold the door thing, but no details. Someone from leddit asked Martin about the scene and he said it will be very different in the book.
Because the writer doesn't even know what the fuck he's on about.
It's basically a generic fantasy world without the main characters.
Middle Earth still hasn't gotten the treatment it deserves.
>steal LOTR
>make it boring
>be edgy as fuck
And bam! Masterpiece!
>>340103653
Played the first 3 episodes, was good
>>340103653
The choices virtually influence nothing. You might as well just watch it on jewtube.
>>340103654
Literally who? Get your Sanderson garbage outa here
>>340106610
No, BSG was a soap opera where everything ended up being explained as "God did it".
because mount and blade already exists
>winter is coming
>it never comes
>instead here's 500 billion chapters about the worst character in the world, Danerysyeanryersys
>>340106714
We all know Martin is the ultimate troll and is just going to change everything from what he told the TV show because he tries to troll his audience instead of having an actual plot.
People like this character, he dies. They like that character, he dies...
>>340106765
You forgot
>add in sex
>replace interesting vernacular with swear words
Then you've got yourself a bestseller.
>>340101645
This, gaming is in a dark age. The biggest proof being how insistent gaming media is that it isn't. Remember when always online and microtransactions were introduced and journos were shilling for it? It wasn't until everyone hated it that they 180'd and pretended to hate it too. It's the gaming equvalent of Cracked.com making articles about how outrage culture is ruining society. Where do these hypocrites get off acting like they didn't create the situation in the first place?
>>340101292
>The source material is rich
Let me just stop you right there. Lots of description, endless side characters and tons of death does not make something 'rich' or 'deep'. If you think it does, then just go play Final Fantasy.
>>340103453
Based fatman BTFO Racist/sexist Tolkien long ago. Trash like LOTR belongs in a trench, not on your bookshelf
>Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
>The war that Tolkien wrote about was a war for the fate of civilization and the future of humanity, and that’s become the template. I’m not sure that it’s a good template, though. The Tolkien model led generations of fantasy writers to produce these endless series of dark lords and their evil minions who are all very ugly and wear black clothes. But the vast majority of wars throughout history are not like that.
>>340106893
>literally who
>names the author in the next sentence
If your goal was to confuse me then you succeeded.
>>340106905
Not him but BSG did have a lot of political shenanigans going on at various times, among many other things. Was pretty soap opera-ish though, I will agree.God-tier character development
>>340107227
>Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
>muh taxes
>>340107048
Was Stannis popular? I don't really follow fan faggotry. That was the only time I was legitimately mad a character got killed. Everyone else had it coming to them.
>>340107227
>What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
There's literally 2 pages dedicated to Tyrions breakfast when he's on that fucking boat.
Not everything needs to be described and explained, also Martin is shithouse as setting a scene.
>>340107227
Tolkienfags can't even argue against this
>>340107227
What a fucking autist.
>>340107227
He is literally just trolling everyone until he drops dead of clogged arteries
>>340107227
>What was Aragorn’s tax policy?
Why is he critizising this point when his own books completely avoid this theme too?
Dragon Age: Origins already happened.
>>340107675
He goes into taxes and how they finance wars.
>>340107675
He needs all those pages to describe food.
>>340107227
LotR is a larger-than-life mythological tale about heroes and monsters. It's not supposed to be gritty and realistic. It's definitely true that uncreative people used his work as a template for all modern fantasy, though.
>>340107210
>Lots of description, endless side characters and tons of death does not make something 'rich' or 'deep'
it does though
>>340107728
Yeah and his reason is retarded
>btw we own mines for 8000 years xD
>>340107675
Tyrion spends a whole book on this topic. He goes into detail about Littlefingers operation as master of coin and implements the Dwarf's penny tax on prosititues etc.
>>340107785
>call people uncreative for using LOTR as a template
>when LOTR used anglo mythology as a template
When will this meme die?
>>340107785
This. One thing worldbuildingfags aways forget is focus and theme.
Tolkien didnt give a damn to answer those questions because that wasnt part of his greater vision, if he did it would just be wandering off in useless byways.
>>340107927
>call people creative for making a WoW clone
>when WoW is a Warcraft version of Everquest
When will this meme die?
>>340108075
uncreative*
>>340107227
LOTR wasn't an allegory or propaganda, it was a romance, it's simply widely applicable to various meanings. Like this 'war for the fate of civilization' could instead be apply to a war against totalitarian governance, and the ring of power is a metaphor for political dominance. Aragorn and Theoden were inspirational figures, unconstitutional monarchs as Tolkien puts it, not rulers who unjustly tax their people to fund wars. Tolkien described himself as a philosophical anarchist, but this sort of thing goes over the heads of leftist hacks like GRRM.
>>340107227
>But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
Its okay to want to have more development like this. But Martin, you take it to the extreme. Not every single little detail has to be in a story. When Arya is walking through the woods, we don't need to know the color of every single leaf, how the crows sound, the smell of urine on the side of the road, how the wind feels across Arya's face....all of this is excess fat. Ephemera that does not build Arya's character nor does it have anything to do with the destination she is heading to. It is essentially filler. You will call it world building. But you should only give enough description for the reader to paint their own picture. If you end up trying to describe every little nuance ever, then the reader feels like they're just being dictated to. And it starts to resemble reading an Encyclopedia, not a story.
And its really cheeky that you're complaining that Tolkien didn't have enough description when he already did too much himself. You piling on 100x more world building and description, to the point that characters don't even develop over four books, doesn't make your writing better. In fact, I'm going to say it makes it much much worse.
>>340107927
Tolkien stole a fuckton of different mythologies and religious motifs all around Europe, especially Germanic and Finnish people.
>>340107785
>LotR is a larger-than-life mythological tale about heroes and monsters. It's not supposed to be gritty and realistic.
Oh, absolutely. And GRRM acknowledges that. Lord of the Rings are his favorite books of all time. What he's criticizing is everyone doing the same thing, and explaining his sort of philosophy in approaching a fantasy world.
I think it works incredibly well. Despite being fantastic, the world feels real in a way that other fantasy series do not, which increases my stakes in what happens.
GRRM's actual prose is mediocre at best, but the world, characters, and their motivations are incredibly rich and detailed in comparison to other offerings.
>>340107227
>Fought in the war to end all wars
>"by 1918 all but one of my close friends were dead."
>Gets criticized for his depiction of war by a fat fuck draft dodger who's only experience in battle is smashing people aside at the buffet
Characters and political intrigue are all ASOIAF are good for, not things video games do themselves very well.
>>340108075
>>340108325
The point is that art is always derivative of something that came before it. It's called inspiration.
LOTR wasn't conceived in a vacuum and people need to stop pretending it was.
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and Berserk started off as total Fist of the North Star ripoffs and they branched off into their own things.
>Actual good fantasy books are completely forgotten and will never get a game
>>340108232
None of that went over his head, and GRRM isn't a leftist.
>>340108325
Taking inspiration is not the same as stealing. Tolkien took a lot of concepts and put them into a new land with new characters. Not unlike pretty much every RPG does with Tolkien concepts.
>>340108574
Yeah and bot JoJo and Berserk fans despise FOTNS, so it's only fitting Martin take potshots at Tolkien as par the course
>>340108574
I'd say Berserk was more inspired by Devilman.
>>340108672
>Tolkien invented fantasy
>>340108257
Isn't the purpose of Arya's character simply world-building? She winds up in some of the most interesting places in Westoros, might as well go into detail about the aesthetics.
>>340108751
Which I did not say.
>>340107241
what is this? stargate?
Farcry: ASOIAF Edition
>be a Stark bannerman deep in Lannister territory
>get captured in cinematic/gameplay intro (metro 2033 style)
>Red Wedding happens
>Brotherhood without Banners help free you while the Lannisters are celebrating in beginning tutorial
>someone teaches you about the lord of light and shit
>you raid lannisters and hunt collectibles for the lord of light
>choose your playstyle
>you can be sneaky sneak or go in loud
>bows, crossbows, swords, axes, etc
>game ends with a boss fight against the mountainyou lose
>>340108634
yet he votes for and endorses Democrats and advocates to take in Middle Eastern migrants.
>>340108872
That is your argument, though.
I actually really liked the Game of Thrones RPG. Was a lot like the Knights of the Old Republic games. Even has some actors from the show reprising their roles.
>>340108779
If that's the extent of her character, than it just proves how Martin focuses too much on world building to carry a story. But most readers of the series thin Arya is going to have some big part in the finale. Just like the Dragon bitch who seems to wander around and do nothing as well.
>literally just tits and dragons: the show
wew lad, skyrim already did that one
>>340108634
>GRRM isn't a leftist.
>>340109084
>OP says this book series needs a videogame
>you're talking about a show for some reason
???
>>340109084
>GoT is the Skyrim of fantasy books
Funny how I can only agree.
>>340103653
Finished the 1st Episode and wasn't feeling it.
>>340108901
star wars
>>340108979
>That is your argument, though.
My argument is that insperation is not the same as imitation. No idea what rose tinted glasses you're wearing to turn that into 'Tolkien invented Fantasy'. Especially when I said in my own post that Tolkien took inspiration from previous works.
Lucas didn't invent SciFi. But sadly, the sheer force of people copying his work proves that he was a major source of inspiration for SciFi. Its the same for Tolkien.
>>340108751
No, but he definitely popularized a lot of common aspects of it. Do you think everything would have mystical elf archers, dwarves who live in mountains and mines, halflings who steal things, and orc armies who serve the evil dark lord without LotR?
>>340108232
>the ring of power is a metaphor for political dominance
Try reading the Silmarillion sometime
Tolkien was just an autist who made up an entire mythology because he felt like it, none of it is metaphorical for shit
Why hasn't any faggot capitalised on this and made a good game? The source material is rich for a witcher 3 like game.
>>340109187
But it's the exact same thing???
>>340109330
Tolkien had halflings?
Also, didn't he invent the practice of calling them elves/dwarves instead of elfs/dwarfs and also invented the word orc?
not sure why most modern settings have orcs being green though
>>340109403
>disregarding the word 'applicable'
>>340108490
did you even read what he wrote? the criticism was more based in ignoring certain realities of government. then going on to talk about good & evil vs shades of grey in the majority of fantasy works.
>>340108901
Battlestar galactica, soap opera with okay plot, good effects for his time, god tier acting and usually good characters except for the main female character
it was okay, I enjoyed it
>>340101292
Because the books all about the political side of the story with some battles thrown in. They already made a telltale game which was probably the best way to make it a game since you pick many different options.
>>340109659
"Like [...] could instead apply to [...], and the ring is a metaphor [...]"
Not my fault you can't construct a sentence, you shouldn't switch from a conditional if you don't mean it
>>340108490
>he fought in a war so he can't be criticized
>dodging the draft is bad
lol
>>340109843
>many different options
oh you poor soul
>>340109645
>Tolkien had halflings?
Halflings and hobbits are the same thing. Both words were used in his books, but "hobbit" is copyrighted and "halfing" isn't.
>>340109645
Orcs are based off Old English/Latin terms for "ogre".
Orcus, orco, orcneas, all roughly meaning monster.
So no, Tolkien did not really invent orcs, he just borrowed from mythology like everything else in LOTR.
>>340109989
Right, all the Men called them halflingsor rather Tolkien "translated" it as halfling because he was crazy as fuck
They never stole shit though
>>340110125
Saruman calls them halflings too
Can't we just agree that both GRRM and Tolkien suck?
>>340110062
He took an old english word that isn't used in modern english and adapted it to fit one of the species he invented
I'd call that "inventing the term", even if it's just derived from something else
the mountain blade mod is ok, the mountain blade 2 got mod should be goat.
Game of Thrones was only good for the politics involved. Now it's an absolute shitfest
>>340109886
I already established the conditions. Nice attempt at nitpicking.
>>340110237
They're both pretty great to be honest
>>340101292
because there's nothing good to come from it besides the CK2 mod
>the actual licensed games are garbage
>the mod for M&B Warband is a massive autist and the mod itself isn't very interesting
>>340110125
>They never stole shit though
Bilbo stole the Ring from Gollum, and stole treasure from Smaug. He was crafty and stealthy because of his ineptitude at combat, and that's (I assume) where the idea of the halfling rogue came from.
>>340110237
reading is shit anyway
>>340110356
It's clearly not nitpicking because your post was confusing enough for me to misunderstand what parts you were making up about what LOTR could be
>>340110237
Tolkien's good, it's just that the first half of Fellowships is pretty boring
Writing gets better as you read through the trilogy though
>>340110449
>Bilbo stole the Ring from Gollum
To be fair, that wasn't really his fault.
>>340110125
Its like people didn't even read the books. Where the first 200 pages of Fellowship of the Ring is basically a long prologue about what Hobbits are. And Tolkien even poked fun at how over description he had for the Hobbits.
All of this was heavily edited and changed in the movie to basically make 200 pages into 30 minutes of film. And even then, they totally messed up basic things.
>>340110282
>Earlier references to creatures etymologically or conceptually similar to orcs can be found in Old English and Anglo-Saxon sources; including Beowulf and 16th-century Italian folk tales, in particular those of Giambattista Basile.
Concept already existed, he just took a word for "monster" and slapped it on them. It's like me taking a hamburger and calling it a burgwich.
>>340110449
merry and pippin were rather sneaky hobbitses too
>>340106893
Fuck you. Sanderson is a God.
>>340110767
>It's like me taking a hamburger and calling it a burgwich.
Thats more or less how most words are invented
>>340110767
If no one had called it a hamburger in centuries and you made a new one that was an amalgamation of several historical ones, sure
Tolkien made some serious mistakes. Rresurrecting Gandalf. Yeah, he realized it later but what's done is done.
Also, fuck that faggot Tom Bombadil. What was the point of him anyway?
>>340110924
>>340110873
LOTR orcs are just practically demon dudes for the heroes to slay.
What's the difference?
If anything, the people who "ripped off" orcs and turned them into green savages with big tusks did more to differentiate the concept.
>>340110843
His work is decent teen fiction at best
>>340108606
Bored me to tears.
vidya geam when?
>>340111061
>teen fiction
What does this mean? Is it the same as young adult?
book genres confuse me
>>340107397
The guy who burned his own daughter at the stake didn't have it coming to him?
>>340108606
>Actual good fantasy books are completely forgotten and will never get a game
Speaking of the origins of common fantasy tropes, Elric and/or Eternal Champions game when?
>>340103654
All I see is AUTISM
>>340111061
Yeah, his teen and kids fiction books. What? Not enough killing, rape and violence in his books to satisfy your needs?
>>340109030
Got to be honest, I had more fun playing that game than Dragon Age Origins.
Story of the faggot red priest prince and the Badass Ranger was so good.
>>340111286
nice LOTR ripoff lmao
>>340101292
They made an RTS before the show, and an rpg a few years ago.
The RPG had pretty good writing but shit gameplay, which is why it was forgotten by everybody.
>>340111340
Pretty much
>>340107017
I didn't mind her for a while but man A Dance with Dragons made me hate her chapters and i can't believe it took 5 years to write that crap.
>>340111226
It's a term used by bookfags to refer to literature that they don't like by associating it with younger (and generally more ignorant) people.
It's like /mu/tants and dadrock or /a/utists and "entry-level".
>>340111114
I read the first of one of his books in some series and NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENED
>>340110987
What was the mistake about resurrecting Gandalf, aside from losing the impact of his death? Gandalf was suppose to be similar to Merlin and the Druids, so the idea of him being half immortal and cheating death isn't that crazy to me.
The Elves as a whole felt more pointless to me. A race of being who are immortal and are trying to flee middle earth, yet decide to stay and die anyway for 'honor'?
>>340111114
Someone recommend me books like the First Law series
Everyone always recommends Broken Empire. I did like it, but it wasn't enough sarcastic banter and too much I'M EVIL I RAPE PEOPLE RAAAGH
>>340111443
Fair enough. I'm just able to read anything as long as it has badasses or some romance sub plot.
>>340111286
Too bad all these recent shitty rpgs like pillars coming out I hope theMalazanseries doesn't get any attention to prevent anything shitty from being made
>>340111605
>Pillars of Eternity
What a fucking disaster
I was willing to tolerate the bland as fuck setting but the fedora shit threw me off the edge
>>340111496
>. A race of being who are immortal and are trying to flee middle earth, yet decide to stay and die anyway for 'honor'?
Don't just watch the movies, read the Silmarillion
It's like a tiny bible just for the elves
>>340111061
Deepest lore though
>>340111705
I read the Hobbit + LOTR. It just feels like the Elves don't fit in those stories as everyone besides Elves are worried about death and their legacy. But the Elves have no part in that.
I might read the Similarringalong someday. But its still kind of bad that the Elves weren't really developed enough in the main books.
>>340101292
Your choices with licensed games of this sort will always be a crappy game in a pillar genre like an RPG, or a Telltale game.
>>340111492
it's not a big overarching quest to save the world (maybe in the end it is, depending how you want to look at it)
it's a trilogy so it takes some time to build up, but if you didn't like it then all the power to you
I'd call it character focused
>>340111705
This. The Silmarillion is cool as fuck once you wade through all the elf genealogies.
>>340111971
>>340111893
>>340111705
Why are Elves so boring no matter the setting?
>>340101292
Telltale tried, and while it wasn't terrible, I thought it was really held back by trying to pander to the HBO crowd.
If they had told a story in the same universe that wasn't tied to all of the fan favorites from the show I think they really could have made something interesting.
>>340111382
Elric saga is in fact a LotR ripoff, but stripped out of everything Moorcock hates in LotR to the point of being different enough.
>>340102607
>complicated
yeah I suppose you think girls hating on each other in the workplace is 'complicated' too
it's entertaining and all but it's far from complicated
>>340111738
>>340103654
As an aspiring writer, this kind of stuff makes me go into full autism mode. It just reeks of an author spending months coming up with complex symbols and lore which 99% of people will just ignore. What a waste.
>>340112018
They are only good as slaves
>>340112029
It's more of a Conan ripoff than LotR. Elric was specifically made to be the anti-Conan. Instead of being a muscular bronze barbarian, he was a sickly albino wizard.
>>340101292
Games based on books don't really sound like such a good idea. I prefer to try my luckwith movies and tv series. Let's see if the Kingkiller chronicles dont let me down.
>>340112024
TellTale's entire point is just to pander to fads. Just look at all the games they've been making for the last 6-8 years. They're all tied to popular series.
So if you expected more from them, the fault is yours.
>>340111893
Nothing's really developed in LOTR because it's a snapshot of the age of the Elves ending and the age of Men beginning
It's not really the "main books" either, Tolkien was crazy about the setting in general
>>340111971
The genealogies really aren't too bad, Tolkien just has a tendency to list every single son who will pop up in the story later before you have a reason to care
Admittedly though I sometimes had to look up a name again, with all the Fingols flying around
Are the books worth reading? The TV show has become laughably terrible and I despise every single character that is left, but I've been told the books go in a very different direction
>>340101292
they lack a central hero like geralt, maybe they could do a spin off like shadow of mordor
>>340112059
>99% of people will just ignore
Luckily, reality does not fit your comfortable narrative, and none of this is ignored at all. In fact, quite the opposite.
>>340112018
Theyre far from boring in erotica books.
>>340102607
Witcher is best when it's about the monsters. The fucking bloated politics middle chapter shit is the bane of me.
>tfw Ladies of the Wood
>tfw Haunted Painting
>tfw Spoon Wight
>>340112263
Nope
>>340112263
The show is farther ahead than the books now, so you'll have to wait a decade until another book comes out.
>>340112059
It is a waste, IMO worldbuilding is fucking useless if it dosent serve a purpose on a thematic level.
Even in my own works I'll toss out or switch certain details of the world if it fits my ultimate purpose better, who gives a fuck about a "lore bible" when there are actual stories to be told? That dosent mean I''m inconsistent though , I know thats its important to be consistent, but I sure as hell wont let little details strangle me.
>>340112219
For your average reader, even the list of hobbit names and regions of the Shire would turn them off. Let alone how people just burst out into song every 20 pages.
>>340108606
I remember being a little shit playing a warcraft 3 custom campaign called The Black Company. It followed the story of this book and was extremely compelling. I finished the whole thing in one sitting for the story alone.
>>340112018
Incurable dignity
>>340112361
Every author should have this mindset. Wheel of time had me banging my head against a wall every time it described the tea.
>>340112263
Don't bother, the author is just riding the money from the show till he dies of a massive heart attack.
>>340112397
I'm "your average reader", though, I'm certainly not some kind of magical patrician
I half-skimmed thriough th chapter introducing Beleriand, though
>>340109030
yeah, this game was actually awesome. it had a really good story (for a game), the lead characters were both based, the end choice was also very well made, and the way they cut from one POV to the other is so good and reminded me of readin the books.
also the leveling system had a neat idea that also goes well with the material (you pick your char. strenghts, but you also must pick his weaknesses), but it's not that well implemented in the game.
Gameplaywise its almost at the exact same level as TW2
>>340108963
I'm right wing and vote right where I live, but I'd vote democrats in America
>>340112504
Fucking Wheel of Time. I loved those books, but completely lost interest after the main protagonist became boring as fuck, and nothing ever happened anymore.
>>340112539
Gameplay wise it's actually the exact same as Of Orcs and Men, which is a great game
>>340112190
Telltale's Walking Dead and Borderlands actually managed to have some fun ideas because they mainly used the established setting and nothing else.
In contrast, Game of Thrones was weakened by established characters like Ramsay because they're fueled by plot armor and audience expectations.
>>340107227
there is literally nothing wrong with what he said
>>340106714
>>340112263
Yes, the show can't really compare to the books at this point. The only real detriment is the massive wait for the series to actually finish.
>>340112361
For the book I'm writing right now, I've already developed a vast world and tons of lore behind it. But when I go to write the actual story, I find myself cutting out all the heavy description. The average reader won't give a flying fuck about how the kingdom of Andares once fought the kingdom of Loriyant 50 years ago. That is, until I've had the main characters actually visit both kingdoms and they have a reason to feel for them.
Yet so many fantasy stories seem to think that name dropping as many kingdoms and characters as possible is the point. I'm sorry, but I usually just skim past tons of names if it is something I haven't been exposed to yet. I sure don't remember all the random location names Boromir or Aragorn or Gandalf named in Middle Earth, except for the dozen or so they actually visited in person.
>>340112263
they're probably the best written fantasy books I've ever read. Not too far up it's own ass like Tolkien, not too normie like Rowling
>>340112353
Let's be realistic here, Martin will almost certainly die before he can finish ASoIaF.
>>340112664
that too, honestly the only bad thing about the game is its graphics, everything else is above average. Put cyanide studios on the radar for me, glad they get at least some praise for styx ,on this board at least.
>>340112625
>but I'd vote democrats in America
Stay out of my country.
>>340112059
>As an aspiring writer
>>340112816
Then someone else will use his notes to finish the books, like with Wheel of Time.
>... it is distressing to see the press grovelling in the gutter as low as Goebbels in his prime, shrieking that any German commander who holds out in a desperate situation (when, too, the military needs of his side clearly benefit) is a drunkard, and a besotted fanatic. ... There was a solemn article in the local paper seriously advocating systematic exterminating of the entire German nation as the only proper course after military victory: because, if you please, they are rattlesnakes, and don't know the difference between good and evil! (What of the writer?) The Germans have just as much right to declare the Poles and Jews exterminable vermin, subhuman, as we have to select the Germans: in other words, no right, whatever they have done.
Why was Tolkien so based?
>>340112856
They're helping Streum On make Space Hulk: Deathwing right now
And Spiders (the other dev who made OOaM) are gonna release Technomancer soon
God, I love these frogs
>>340103653
Some shit was cliche. You can kinda see the ending coming. It was an alright ride, but definitely one of telltale's weaker titles. There's going to be a second season judging from how it ends.
>>340112024
I stand by the idea of a Dunk and Egg spin-off game in a similar style.
A smaller story with a fun character dynamic to work off of.
>>340112909
Your image makes no sense to the put down you're trying to perform. You would have done better with something like this.
>>340112263
The books are immensely better
>>340112803
Tolkien just developed this entire world and was passionate about showing it
The stories came to him as an afterthought
>>340112909
>shitty europoop sword
Can't do shit to my katana
>>340101292
Goddamn this series is the worst most shitastic example of fantasy anyone could have chosen to allow to be popular.
No wonder you all love it.
>>340111269
that was pulled out of D&D's asses at the last minute because they realised they had to make people dislike Stannis before they killed him
It made no fucking sense in the context of the character
>>340107227
Did he really say that?
Tokien BTFO
>>340112909
You're a cunt, but you're not wrong. You're either a writer, or you're not.
>>340111114
I pretend witcher 3 dlc takes place in Styria and my angry waifu is trying to hunt me down. It's great
>>340112803
Yea, my own preference is to focus immediately on the characters and what they're dealing with. The world itself will be revealed as needed by what the characters are dealing with. I wont ever front-load with extra detail. The reader can just feel things out as they go.
>>340112173
I remember specifically reading that Moorcock wrote Elric as a response to Tolkien.
>>340113139
The thing I hate the most about the show is that they have more time than a typical hour long series. And waste 90% of the time with added sex scenes, random secondary characters getting murdered or 20 minutes of banter. All the stuff from the books could be added in. They just fucking waste the time to establish 'tension'. And in the end, the tension isn't even that tense. You can see it coming a mile away.
Even if this show didn't have to do with any book series, it would be bad.
>>340113139
D&D weirdly had it out for Stannis. The character has his flaws in the books, but seeing him played as an obvious villain from the start was incredibly disappointing.
>>340101292
Didn't Telltale?
Also someone else tried to make a game beside them and it sucked.
>>340112640
I have too many problems with it. I had to stop a bit after they cleaned the male side. It has too many descriptions, I got tired of the mc's bullshit, women managed to bring pure hatred out of me. I mean both men and women thought they were better than ther other and it was a kind of joke in the books but the women somehow managed to just act like bitches while thinking that way while men just kept thinkimg what was wrong with them. The fights in general were boring. There was almost no badass moments. Only part I liked was how it caught me off guard with a harem. But even that couldnt male me keep going.
I fucking hate the dragon bitch. She's the queen of entitlement and a total fucking brat that the show tries way too fucking hard to make you like. I don't know if the books are any different, but I despise her like I have never despised someone before.
>>340107227
>The war that Tolkien wrote about was a war for the fate of civilization and the future of humanity, and that’s become the template. I’m not sure that it’s a good template, though.
>writes about scary ice zombies having the threat to march south and destroy humanity and civilization
>>340113256
>You're either a writer, or you're not.
You can be a writer for your whole life. But that doesn't mean you're a professional writer until you get published.
>>340113026
gotta lookout for those
thanks for the heads up man
>>340106393
>Dune
Fuck GoT, there needs to be a new Dune game.
>>340113538
dem eyebrows though
>>340113538
I feel the same way. She feels like a Final Fantasy protagonist. Everyone worships her, yet she does every possible thing wrong. And yet still manages to keep her following and the focus of the show because of the biggest plot armor imaginable.
>>340113538
She's a little more likeable in the books but still pretty bland. Same with Jon
>>340113605
Ex-Westwood devs on the sequel to Emperor:Battle for dune.Or a jordowsky adaptation
>>340113195
read the books and say that again bitch
>SA3 not until late next year
>more boring-ass Shallan chapter drudgeryAt least Kaladin and Dalinar will make up for it.
>>340113460
Yeah, I know Moorcock has a lot of issues with Tolkien, but the Conan thing is definitely true too.
>>340113763
>read the books and say that again bitch
I haven't seen the show, so this wouldn't help you soap opera loving shit eating cunt.
>>340113474
Shit wouldn't be successful enough if you only try to get the fans. You have to casualize it enough so plebs who don't read books at all are also hooked. You can't put them off with too complex stuff.
>>340113538
She's worse in the books but GRRM seems to be a bit more aware of her terribleness at ruling.
>>340105441
Best fantasy combat setting would be derived from the Warhammer universe, thanks to the simple fact that it was designed to just set up different armies fighting each otehr.
>>340113753
I get that GRRM wanted to hammer home that she's just a little girl who don't know shit about ruling and can't deal with the fact that she'll either have to sacrifice her new liberated cities or her birthright, but there's really no need to keep that going for 3 books
>>340113538
The books at the very least show the different sides of Dany's moral dilemmas, with her second guessing herself over life-or-death choices and making mistakes while having to put on a facade of always being in control.
The show just kind of paints her as the action-hero queen who's usually in the right.
>>340113538
In the books her arrogance/attitude is played up as a sign of incoming Targ madness and her incompetency at ruling is heavily highlighted.
Those bits went right over the head of the show writers and they play it straight.
>>340114131
Yeah, what age is she in the books? 16? She is very young and does a lot of shit queen-wise. Everyone gets fucked around her. I would love to see her turn mad like her father.
In the series they wouldnt do it because muh protagonist
>>340114105
They show her being wrong and making mistakes, she just doesn't ever have to face any long lasting consequences for her fuck-ups and people still love her.
>>340107208
>gaming media
>relevant in any way
>>340113825
I just skipped all her chapters. I was left for a deep want of more Jasnah though. Loved her pov in the second book.
>>340114245
She is 14 at the beginning of the books.
>>340114389
Jasnah will be a main character during the second half of the series so we'll get a Jasnah book. She's certainly a lot more interesting than Shallan.
>>340101292
The telltale games are ok.
>>340114546
Second half of the series? Wasn't she being a main already implied at the end of the second book? The third isn't even halfway done and the series is supposed to be at least a dozen books long. I doubt we'll have to wait for book 6+ to get her pov. I hope like hell that isnt the case.
>>340114971
Stormlight Archive is only going to be ten books, anon. Jasnah will be one of the protags during the second half, along with Lift, and, IIRC,the man who thinks he isTaln. I don't know/remember who else we know of thus far. Maybe Renarin, I think.
We may get more one-off Jasnah PoVs, like with many other characters, but no regular Jasnah PoV chapters until the 2020s. Sadly.
>>340113754
I'd prefer a nice RPG.
>punishing lesser houses for disobeying the padishah emperor as badass sardaukar
>>340101292
Because game of thrones is shit.
Why?
Firstly, the writing is drivel. pic related. Also martin spends way too much time on pointless things In doing so, he sacrafices any deeper point, The closest martin ever gets to this is via the dragons, which can be summed up as "nukes are bad", something a fucking retard can tell you.
Secondly, it's inaccurate as fuck, yet claims to be realisitc. Martin loves to claim that other fantasy, like lord of the rings, is completely wrong in it's depiction of life in the medieval era, but his books are realistic. Which is fucking wrong. First, the period, despite martin's claims, was not grimdark, full of rape death and war. It was just as bad as modern day. Yes, lifespan was shorter, but that was because of how many babies died in childbirth, past that it was in no way odd to live to your 60s 70s. Most everything else martin writes is in no way based in history, except some exagerations of english authors, but England during this period was bybfar the exception nit the rule. Feudalism wasn't that bad, lords and ladies weren't all scheming bastards or evil, and life, while simple, was in no way dark or of poor condition. However, even the English depiction doesn't support martin, as his books are supposed to be based around the period of the war of roses, during the very very late medieval era, long after the worst of times, heck, Italy was already in the beginning of the renisance. However, not only is it a poor depiction of medival life, worst than the vast majority of fantasy, it's main plot point, the war for control of westeros, doesn't even make sense. Westeros is the size of south america, has a very poor tech level, and a population lower than the lowest point in the medival period. Something like that should never ever be fighting over control of the continent.
In short, GoT is shit, and martin's claims that it's accurate does a disservice to everyone.
>>340107208
This is pretty true. If it wasn't dark age, then media wouldn't even need to bring it up. I was so fucking angry when that blame game started occurring. "Just accept it and everything will go smoothly". That's the cancer of today's society. They think, or at least corporate interest wants them to think, that "peace" and calm is the only way to happiness or "better games" in this case. As if that EVER fixed the problem. Just letting someone walk all over you ever stopped them from doing it. Right...
>>340114334
To normies unfortunately. Wish are the ones poisoning the well in the first place ever since 2005 and/or Wii mainstream success.
>>340115932
I agree. This whole "middle age were a dark age full of death, pestilence, war and stink" meme has to die already. The dark age was a relatively short episode and the only reason it's called "dark" is because there aren't many historic documents from that time. People weren't dumber than today, just a bit more superstitious.
If you want a grimdark age, look at the early 20th century.
>>340101292
>reading garbage tier literature
Martin makes Salvatore tier fantasy lel
