Why is Persona 4 such a happy game? Even Persona 3 had a perpetual air of uneasiness. You can totally forget the serial killer aspect of it with how upbeat it is.
Otaku pandering.
>>340079380
Cause P4 is shit
>>340079380
You're supposed to just chill fam
>liking dark edgy angst over fun Scooby-Doo mystery antics
OP, this is an 18+ website
>>340079380
because it's weeaboo scooby-doo
>>340079380
The mood shifts are very noticeable and overall story and characters weren't as well executed.
Still I give it credit for trying something different in the rural setting, too bad the overworld just ended up feeling like one single avenue and city block compared to P3's bigger city and similar sized high school.
>>340079380
Its replicating DiU, which follows the exact same formula and tone. It gets much heavier duringbthe latter half of the game
>>340080381
What game were you playing, P3s school was much bigger than P4.
>>340079380
gameplay and story wise its better than p3 in every way besides the ending.
>>340081178
Fuck off Jojofag
>>340081572
>you just get letters in mailboxes until sudden hospital drama at the end
at least commend it for its character focus and giving each party member a themed dungeon, but the p3 main quest just had more time to develop
>>340079380
>uneasiness
It's unease you fucking pleb.
>>340081572
>gameplay and storywise P4 is better than P3
But that's completely wrong
>>340081891
Okay but like, P4 is literally the exact same story as Diamond is Unbreakable.
>>340079380
What's the problem with that? P4 while the story being less edgy and intense as 3 is still comfy as fuck. Not only that but Adachi is way better then almost any character I can think of in 3
>>340082042
>p3 story grinds to a halt midgame
>more time to develop
I don't see how you find that better
>>340082770
>Tactics system
>better than manual control
yeah no. p4 beats p3 by a mile
>>340083468
The tactic system is half the reason P3 is so amazing. P4 proves that the combat is shit without it
>>340083916
this is true
>>340083916
>P4 proves that the combat is shit without it
its still there asshat
>>340084439
So what? When you turn it off it is revealed how weak the actual battle mechanics are. Nice try with the goalpost though
>>340083916
>The combat in P3 is better because it hides how shitty it is by removing options from the player
>>340084834
No, it's better because it wasn't designed for direct control. You're trying to spin it like options were removed, that's like saying a mana bar removes options because you're limited by TP, despite the fact that the battle system is actually built and balanced around it
I thought the whole thing with Nanako dying oh wait she's fine clashed with the feel of the story and was incredibly poorly handled.
The game could have done without it.
>>340079380
Different game, different feel
>>340085531
I think they only included it because there needed to be stakes, which were missing for the whole game. I agree though
>>340084667
>When you turn it off it is revealed how weak the actual battle mechanics are.
Then don't turn it off.
>>340085531
Either she should have stayed dead, or Teddie should have
Everyone just being totally fine within like 15 minutes of everything being fucked is just jarring
>>340083468
>one phys
>no weapon fusion
>no fusion spells
>no multiple weapons
>no heart items
>no
>better gameplay
No
>>340085930
It was in response to a post saying direct control was better than the tactic system
>>340085952
Pretty much, I don't understand the point of it all.
>>340085967
none of those matter if the ai is literally shit.
>>340086101
Good thing it's not
>>340079380
>perpetual air of uneasiness
and P4 didn't?
the murder case, the fog, people gradually losing their minds.
It's not in-your-face like P3, which is a good thing.
Also this >>340083403
Adachi is the best villain
>>340086101
>it's ok if they cut content as long as the gameplay is simplistic and requires no thought
Ok
>>340085952
>Everyone just being totally fine within like 15 minutes of everything being fucked is just jarring
What really bothers me in P4 is how the game just rewinded time when you failed to save people. In the end it was pretty much impossible for the MC to fail.
>>340079380
>>340086413
not a fan of the hospital scenes either but Yu is literally a god
>>340083403
>Adachi
>A good villain
>A good character
>>340086413
>What really bothers me in P4 is how the game just rewinded time when you failed to save people.
what do you mean?
Didn't you just get a game over? Or are you talking about the abomination that is P4G?
>>340081891
Atlus has cited jojo is a inspirational factor for p4
>>340083468
>Tactics system
>better than manual control
Yes, actually. It helps immerse you into the game since you only control one character and you feel more like a leader telling people what to do, which makes sense since they voted you as one.
It's a unique mechanic that adds a bit of difficulty to the game. Plus after a certain point, it doesn't even matter and works pretty much every time.
>>340086695
If you fail to save someone you get sent back a week earlier.
>>340086604
>Yu is literally a god
He isn't though
>>340086695
>Didn't you just get a game over? Or are you talking about the abomination that is P4G?
In the original game if you didn't rescue the victims before the fog came you would just go back a week or so in time while keeping your items, levels and personas. I'm don't know how it worked in P4G.
>>340086859
I'm all for the tactics system but it was still poorly implemented at times, like Yukari never ever EVER using charmdi even when set on heal/support. It needed more layers of control IMO.
>>340087034
It worked the same way, they didn't change that at all.
>People actually defending no direct control
u r a wasp 2 me boy
>>340079380
Felt the same way, its a bit of a scooby doo type of adventure compared to P3.
I hope P5 will have a more serious tone to it, but I doubt it.
>>340079380
I think the main colour being yellow and the upbeat music creates that sort of atmosphere. it's not necessarily a negative or a positive
>>340079380
Because they were reusing all of P3's assets so they tried to make a game as different as possible, kind of like Majora's mask
>>340087346
So far it doesn't look like it. But there is hope they toned down the "happiness" at least.
>>340086101
well if you don't know how to use the ai via commands, then ofcourse the ai is shit.
>>340087507
I don't know what you're talking about, P5 looks way more like P3 than P4
>>340087346
P5 MC is getting arrested for vigilante justice the edge factor is seemingly there
>>340087507
>colors are bright, must be happy
>>340081891
http://dijeh.tumblr.com/post/56081922481/remember-that-one-araki-x-kaneko-interview-its
ATLUS has always taken from JoJo for Persona and they've never tried to hide this, the P4 characters even do JoJo poses in PQ.Kira>>>Adachi
>>340087702
It really doesn't look much like either, which is for the best as far as I'm concerned.
>>340088487
That's true too, P5 should have it's own identity and feel
Persona 1 was fairly lighthearted, P2:IS toned it down a bit but still had it's moments, then P2:EP went full edge.
It's just tone shift in general for the Megami Ibunroku games. It wouldn't be fun playing something with the same atmosphere over and over again
>>340088725
I agree, and I think it's unfortunate that people keep trying to tie it into the other games. I understand that people want to relate it back to what they already know and like, but saying things like Makoto is just Mitsuru 2.0 isn't even giving the character a chance to be their own thing and saying they should bring MC back, either as a plot point or a secret boss, just makes you look stupid.
>>340088978
Maybe P1P with all that J-pop blasting constantly was lighthearted but not the original P1. It wasn't as dark as P2 got but it was still pretty moody and the original atmospheric music reflected that.
>>340083468
>HASHINO: Yes! It would have been wrong, for this game. There are a lot of RPGs out there where you can control every aspect of your party members, including what kind of underwear they are wearing… but because we wanted the player to relate to the Hero more than any other character in “Persona 3”, we wanted the other characters to feel like “other people”.
>SOEJIMA: It was important to make that distinction. It helped to emphasize the concept of Social Links, and it also allowed us to show off the improved AI. It would have been extra cool if the party members had been completely free of player control, but we knew that would be pushing it a bit too far, so we gave the player control over their equipment at least.
>HASHINO: It’s true that we got some feedback stating that the party system was “too difficult” to control effectively, but I’ll honestly say that I don’t regret doing what we did with it. I’m glad we stuck to our guns on that one.
>>340089428
>There's no option to turn off the Meguroshit in P1PSP
>>340086646
I mean he was at least better than Revolver Jesus
>>340089861
My favorite part about Revolver Jesus is the Revolver Jesus joke.And muh symbolism
>>340079380
Because nobody fucking dies after the first two murders
I hope P5 is as lighthearted.
>>340090261
Our beloved hero did.
>>340090342
Fuck, I hope not, I'm willing to have more edgelords in the fanbase instead of that tumblr cancer that P4 brought.
>>340090342
I think it'll be a mix of both, with the school and social link part lighthearted like P4 and the dungeoning/story parts being closer to P3, though maybe with a little less edge.
>>340090261
You're forgetting something.
>>340089307
I think a big part of it is the usual shitflinging between 3fags and 4fags. 3fags want a sense of vindication that 5 returns to the roots of 3, which is ironic for a lot of reasons. Almost they want the P4 casuals to not like 5 because of the changes. See: the posts that arose while I was writing this.
I'm also a P3fag so I partially feel this way too
>>340090342
P5 seems to be more stylish/badass instead of lighthearted or edgy.
P4fags are a cancer to this series.
>>340079380
Its part of what makes it so good. No one IRL ever acts perpetually angst or depressed like the P3 cast (or 90% of other stories desu). P4 cast gets the feels, but they also get over it, or at least move on with the baggage, like real people, instead of crying and moaning about it for the whole game. Its nice.
>>340081891
>>340079380
Someone already said it. It's literally DiU even down to the primary yellow color theme.
Both games are good.
>>340090342
I hope there is less dick sucking than 4. The best things about 4 were the soundtrack, and Yu being goofy. It's why I like the anime's adaptation of him so much. But seriously, P4 stepped over the line with the way they handled the writing for the party members.
>>340091074
This post is so misguided it hurt to read
>>340089307
considering they are thieves on the wrong side of the law, I think a Naoto cameo is more than warranted for P5
>>340091074
The P4 cast are almost unrealistically perfect if anything, they have almost no tangible flaws whatsoever apart from the shadow scenes and then it's basically never brought up again throughout the main story line .
More P4 stuff in 5 please tbh
>>340091660
There will be a cameo, but that's not a big deal, I just don't want it to rely on the other games for its plot, it should be its own thing. The most likely cameos are Teddie and/or Rise on TV, Naoto investigating some crime, or if there's a trip to Inaba, they will have friendly police officer Chie or older Nanako.
>>340092125
The Door will be involved, I know it
>>340091689
They do have flaws though. It just isn't ultra unrealistic and exaggerated flaws that are over the top.
Chie is hot headed, quick tempered, and not very bright.
Yosuke is somewhat incompetent and selfish. He is also a tad bit delusional.
Kanji is not only insecure, but violent. He is also pretty dumb.
Naoto is obsessive and ironically childish to a fault, even after her shadow shit. Not only that, but she also has a chip on her shoulder and tries to pull more weight than she can handle. She also has a big ego and thinks she is better than what she is.
Teddie is a fucking hyper active, naive, animal mascot who goes into deep depression like 5 times in the story and bounces back with speed that makes him seem bipolar.
All of the characters are flawed as fuck, it just isn't the expected super cartoony type of flaws that permeated P3.
>>340079380
Because they didn't give a shit about the story
>>340092125
I think Naoto showing up to help with the investigation into the P5 cast at some point is more than warranted. Maybe she can even be the one that hatches the plan that gets P5 protag caught (as we see in the trailers) but maybe she bails, thinking the job is complete, and leaves town.
>>340092320
>The flaws you listed aren't cartoony at all
>But having a dead sister, an abusive father, and a whore mother are cartoony
>>340091329
Whats misguided about it?
>>340091660
Did you hear the woman speak in the latest trailer at the very beginning? .
I'm like 80% sure that's mitsuru.
>>340090843
Stylish/"badass" IS edgy.
>>340090342
I hope it isn't.
>>340092615
>dead sister
When your entire life and social interactions revolve around dead sister, then yeah, thats a bit ridiculous. I have dead family members, and its not something I think or even talk about often. Its not a big part of my life. I was sad when it happened, and then moved on. No one but the mentally dysfunctional hold on to shit like that degree.
>Abusive Father
This is one of the few that actually worked, because that is a constant threat that deals shit and drama at you.
>Whore mother
Like dead sister, having that rule every single facet of your life just isn't normal by any rubric.
>>340092692
That women is confirmed to be Biker-chans relative, either an older mother or older sister. Shares her last name though and looks like her.
>>340091074
>>340092649
The P4 cast is horribly written, at least in comparison to the P3 one.
>No one IRL ever acts perpetually angst or depressed like the P3 cast
If you actually believe the P3 cast is perpetually angsty or depressed I swear you didn't play it.
The P4 cast is incredibly static. They have one dungeon dedicated to character development, which focuses on their one and only defining characteristic, then they do a complete 180 flip and stay static the rest of the game. They go straight from point A to B and never develop at all after that point, which is in contrast to the constantly developing and over arching character narratives of P3.
>>340092972
Akihiko's entire life and social interactions don't revolve around his dead sister though. Neither do Yukari's. It's the P4 cast that revolves their lives around their one noted feature and Yu.
>>340092615
Bad things don't happen in real life anon
Don't be silly
>>340092302
I'm pretty tolerant of shitty plot points for the sake of fanservice, I don't love Dark Souls 1, but I was fine with the references in Dark Souls 3, I don't like Part 3 of JoJo too much but I was fine w7th the fanservice at the end of Part 7, but if they actually bring the Door back, that would be unforgivable. It would be worse than Nanako's revival in P4 and I think it could significantly lower my opinion of the game.
>>340093203
>then they do a complete 180 flip and stay static the rest of the game. They go straight from point A to B and never develop at all after that point
Okay now i have to ask did you even play p4 or more to the point did you do the social links of your party members? Because none of them did 180s. Kanji became more comfortable but still stayed insecure for a lot of the story (camping trip, Inn trip) Yosuke was still kind of a dick though he handled his jealousy of Protag WAAAY better than junpei handled his jealousy of Mc.
>>340093203
I couldnt disagree more.
In P3 the characters are all completely static until a predefined point in the story. Then they suddenly get their character development dump and by then its the end of the game and that is that.
P4 character development STARTS where P3 character development ENDS. P4 cast gets their big first leap in character development early, and then from that point forward it is a more gradual, but constant character growth.
It is much better than P3s system, because in P3s system you have almost nothing happening in regards to the characters for most of the game, then it quickly builds to something going on with them, and then you are at the end of the game and its over. In P3 its less of a development over time, and more of a build up and constant teasing until you finally get to the moment later on where they actually develop. By then the game is wrapping up.
In P4, you have the initial character development upfront instead of at the end. So you start out with a better idea of who these characters are and whats going on with them. From then on it is a more gradual character development that occurs via relationship building- which makes far more sense since these two games focus heavily on relationship building.
>>340092535
That would be completely unnecessary, we already know there's a detective character who can handle that role. Even if one of my favorite characters came back, I wouldn't be happy, I want the P5 cast to have their own chance to shine, a small cameo from a P3 or 4 character is fine, but I've had enough if those characters to want them to have any significance in P5.
>>340094082
The issue is I have a hard time believing the Persona 4 cast would just fuck off and not do anything about whats happening in Persona 5.
Teddie would be telling them he smells something off, they would have heard intense rumors about the phantom thieves stealing peoples "hearts" in another "world". Naoto would be doing investigations, Yu would want to search for the truth on whats happening.
I get what you mean, and I agree. But the P4 cast has not good, believable reason to sit out of this. It would actually hurt their credibility and place in the Persona universe if they just fucked off and ignored all of this shit after everything from P4.
>>340094345
It could easily be explained away by stating The Palace is a completely separate entity from TV World/Tartarus, even if they're all connected to Shadows. Even giving it a throwaway line in a spin-off would do.
>>340093859
>Yosuke was still kind of a dick though he handled his jealousy of Protag WAAAY better than junpei
Yosuke's apparent jealousy of the protagonist is only brought up in the last rank of his social link, there's nothing else that actually leads us to think that Yosuke was jealous. At least the P3 cast have consistent flaws, that's my main problem with the P4 cast, we're told that they have problems and flaws, but it hardly ever actually shows.
>>340094628
True, but even then, the rumors alone would be enough to draw their attention I think. They have a natural tendency to investigate.
>>340093940
Yes but in the actual story of the game, where the plot and characters matter the most, the characters act pretty much exactly the same as soon as they beat their shadow for the rest of the story
Sure they have development in their social links, but as soon as they have something to say in a story cutscene the social links may well have never happened
Yosuke and Yukiko say nothing of value
Chie is always muh kung fu
Kanji is always angry man with a gay joke thrown in
Naoto repeats things that you have already figured out
Rise's a slut
And Teddie is the only one with any actual character development, as it happens gradually throughout the story
>>340083403
>>340086646
I'll admit making him the villain really got me. Wasn't expecting it.
>>340094662
The power of friendship helped them overcome their hang ups. Damn now that I think about it this game is really fucking gay.
>>340086598
lol
>>340094721
Then say none of them were in the city at the time so the rumors never reached them. Rise, Yu and Naoto were all busy with work and the others don't live in the city.
>>340079380
because that's the point.
P3 was an edgefest, with an apathetic protagonist and characters who have more issues than you can count and the whole end of the world thing.
P4 was supposed to contrast this by being light hearted and fun. This is also reflected in the music and setting itself.
It's basically an even lighter Diamond is Not Crash wheras Persona 3 is basically Stone Ocean.
>>340094662
Its shown all the time. Just because its not blatantly told to you all the time doesn't mean its not there.
People like you probably thing the Star Wars prequels have better character development than the originals. It feels like the same difference. The prequels beat you over the head with shit constantly and are very overt in the way dialogue is structured and presented, where as the Originals are more goofy, but also far more subtle.
To give you an example of what I mean. P3 has a bunch of "I HATE SAND" moments with its characters. Which you laud and approve of as consistent character flaws and well written character and development.
I disagree and point to "I love you....." "....I know.." exchange which you complain about and say the characters are too perfect and hardly have any flaws that show. How dare Han still be a sly scoundrel and Leia be the princess love interest! They didn't change at all! (even though they actually have both changed and developed by this point far more than anyone in the Prequel trilogy by this same amount of time, its just more subtle about it and doesnt beat you over the head with the dialogue about it.)
For a more modern comparison, with your line of thinking, you should LOVE Batman V Superman. So much character development! Consistant Character Flaws! Characters literally monologuing how they feel with stilted and forced dialogue!
>>340095334
Yosuke's jealousy is not shown all the time. It's not shown at all, in fact.
>>340090261
Nobody dies because you rescue them, that's the entire point of the game
>>340095316
There's a point you can get so lighthearted that it becomes a problem
P4 Golden's opening is the pinnacle of disgustingness.
Never played a Persona game for a challenge. I just want good social links and characters that will make me replay it.
>>340095334
Really, give me one moment in P4 where Yosuke even hints he's jealous of the protagonist?
>>340081891
P4 is literally Jojo part 4, though.
You're attending high school in a small town and mysterious killings start happening. You awake a power and start investigating the murders.
The closer you get to the killer the closer the killer also comes to you, culminating in someone important to you nearly getting killed.
>>340086035
what's wrong with that
>>340094723
But Persona 3 is practically the same, except their character development in the story comes later instead of earlier, and there is less going on in the second half of the story to compensate for their character development triggering closer to the end.
But even then, those characters in P4 have their social links focus on elements unrelated to the main story so that they can have more signifigant development as you advance the plot. Characters are constantly building relationships and bonding with the new character(s) introduced, so its not like they are completely static- you are seeing them in new situations, dealing with new shit, and tolerating and accepting new things. While it might not be as dramatic as P3 all the time, it certainly is there.
>>340095228
You didn't watch the newest version of the trailer? The rumors are all over the internet and are even on national TV. Based on the ingame date this happens as early as JULY, 3 months into the game.
>>340095457
>>340095616
He gives passive aggressive comments all the time. He tries to pass it off by being funny about it, which he says so himself during his social link. There is the whole argument about throwing namatame into the tv where it is very clear and he is pretty blunt about it. He also constantly makes remarks like "wow, you sure are lucky" or "I wish I could get away with that." and similar, showing that he is, at the very least, envious of your social status/ability/ect.
>>340095517
You have no heart.
>>340096385
I thought that was just more of the player ego stroking that P4 really ever so loves to do.
>>340096385
What does killing Namatame have to do with jealousy? Yosuke being an asshole doesn't mean that he displays jealousy or envy.
>>340096510
Happy stories are for braindead plebs.
>>340093940
We seem to have polar opposite views of this. Like the argument you make for P4 is the argument I make for P3. If this didn't happen all the time a P3 and P4 fan get together I would think you were fucking with me
>>340096510
Nah man. Even Waifu Emblem doesn't have openings that disgusting (yet).
P4G's is just plain embarrassing.
>>340096587
>Happy stories are for braindead plebs.
I've never been more convinced that there are high schoolers on this board.
>>340096786
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
>>340096587
He specifically brings up the "You always get to make the call, and thats bullshit, what makes you so special" argument during that Namatame exchange.
Also
>happy stories are for braindead plebs.
Fuck off. Some of the best stories on this planet are happy. Card Captor Sakura for example.
>>340096786
It's a fact. Look at any great literature, or any great film, anything. Nothing has anything happier than a bittersweet ending, and they all revolve around suffering and trials.
Happy stories are for children.
>>340096897
No, that's how P3fags actually think.
>>340079380
Because even in dark times there is joy
>>340090628
SHEEEEEEEH!!!
>>340096752
Nah, it gives me the same feeling as this ED.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn1aFr0GWww
Its a good feel. You are just a faggot.
>>340081891
>>340096991
Do you think love can bloom even on a battlefield?
>>340096083
Was that on Futaba's computer or something? Regardless, I'd rather a shitty excuse for them not showing up to them showing up. Even if it wluld be in character for them to come help, thii isn't Persona 4-2, it's Persona 5 and the cast ofmPerspna 5 should handle things themselves.
>>340096980
I am a P3fag and I think that happy and uplifting stories can be just as good as melancholic and darker toned ones.
Though I do personally think that P3 went about its themes and narrative better than P4.
>>340097049
Persona isn't card captor faggot.
>P1 is semi-dark
>P2 is dark
>P2 EP is super dark
>P3 is dark
>P4 is rainbows and sunshine
Hmmm, which one of these doesn't fit in?
>>340096980
If you continue to see the situation as an "us vs them" it's no wonder why these discussions always turn to shit
>>340097461
I agree with you, I just wish there was a good excuse for them instead of a shitty excuse.
>>340097783
>>340097783
By that logic, you should HATE MGS3: Snake Eater for pretty much the same reasons and view MGSV:Phantom Pain as a return to form that does the MGS series justice.
>>340097915
I still want to know what the fuck Kuzunoha and Hacker are doing while all this shadow bullshit is going on
>>340097783
Cardcaptor Sakura is pretty fucking dark.
>>340098084
What does this even mean? Are you suggesting that MGS3 is a lighter, happier game than the previous ones? It's the only game in the series that has a sad ending, unless we count the non-canon bad ending for MGS1.
>>340098134
Honestly, I just consider P3 to be a soft reboot of the whole franchise.
>>340097795
P3fags are the ones constantly throwing their weight around as if their favorite game is a masterpiece and P4 isn't worth the grime on their fingerless gloves. I'd love to have a regular discussion like in the old days but P3fags have gotten so full of themselves in the past couple years that it's impossible. It's like trying to discuss Mass Effect as a series without ME1fags rearing their ugly heads, impossible.
>>340098084
Not him but Snake Eater was a departure for the worse, it's not nearly as good as 1 and 2. And V isn't a return to form in the slightest either.
>>340098247
The ironic thing is that's exactly how P3fags see P4fags. Perspective is a wonderful thing
>>340098240
P3 was a soft reboot
>>340098223
It is a lighter and happier game, through its entirety, the sole exception being the sad ending, which everyone agrees hits harder than normal because the rest of the game is happier and campier in comparison.
Also, MGS4 ends with an attempted suicide, MGS2 ends with nothing left solved, and everyone having been manipulated and used all according to the patriots plans. MGS1 has the typical action movie ending, but is pretty dark and sad throughout.
>>340098249
MGS 1 ended perfectly. MGS 2 ruined the canon. prove me wrong.you can't
>>340098249
glad you shitters are the minority here, everyone agrees that MGS3 is more or less one of the best and memorable entries in the franchise, for both gameplay and story.
I liked Persona Q better than 3 and 4 put together
>>340098595
It's only lighter and happier in the sense that it's disconnected from modern politics and thus there's little room for bringing reality into the picture. It spends most of its time as little more than a spy thriller with minimal commentary.
I'll agree that MGS4 has a bittersweet ending and the whole game is melancholic, but that came after MGS3 so I don't think it's fair count it.
MGS2's ending has the bad guys win but the heroes learn valuable lessons and are ready to strike back. It's not a depressing ending.
>>340098247
P3fags are pretty aggressive, Fuukafags aside, and they're all easily agitated. The worst part about them is how they act like P3 is a hardcore gaming experience while P4 is for babies, when the two games are fairly similar. I like P3, but P3fags are overly obnoxious.
>>340098362
I don't count myself as either one, I like both games even if I prefer P4. I have not seen a P4fag with that condescending attitude towards P3 until the past couple years, when P3fags got upset that their beloved wasn't on top anymore, and started talking shit about P4 constantly. P4fags then got defensive, and now we have this divide. There is no different perspective to be had here.
>>340098732
Jesus sounds like I struck a nerve. Also sounds like you've never been in a MGS thread, 2 is the most beloved and highest rated
>>340098795
I'm in January 2012 in 4 right now, but Q is sitting on my bookshelf. How is the music in that game, should I pick it up next? I kinda want to check out SMTIV as well though, which does have really good music.
>>340098864
>Fuukafags aside
Did you forget what happened yesterday?
>>340098957
He was overly defensive, still easily agitated. Almost all Fuukafgas are timid pussies.
>>340098940
The music is the same catchy Persona j-pop that never gets old after hours and hours. It's a lot like Etrian Odyssey with a Persona coat of pain over it. Lots of fan service.
>>340098919
Honestly I disagree, but you sound like you've already made up your mind. I've had the exact opposite experience, and people should stop cherry picking from either side and pretending to be the victim of shitposting For example >>340098864 I could say P3fags are obnoxious in response to P4fans being obnoxious
>>340098795
>Sub-personas and actual dungeons
Feels good, man.
>>340099235
Cool, sounds good to me. The main draw for these games has been the music for me, the gameplay is piss easy, but the music and overall aesthetic hits it home.
>>340098940
Q is great, and the music is as good as anything from the main series.
>>340099398
Fantastic!
>>340079380
It's called juxtaposition, look it up.
>>340098940
The music in Persona Q is excellent, it has some good remixes of the P3 and P4 ost, along with music by Yuzo Koshiro (etrian odyssey composer).
>>340098795
The combat and dungeons (especially dungeons) I feel are stronger than mainline Persona. Sub-personas add a ton to fleshing out the party. I hope 5 is taking notes and this wasn't just a one-off thing.
I've never played any Persona but I've been wanting to get into them
Which should I start with?
>>340099607
Oh wow, even the EO composer got in there, now I'm really excited.
>>340098940
better dungeon
better music
better ingredients
papa johns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5IftkVs6ro
>>340099959
Persona 3 FES
Can anyone help me with fusing personas in Persona Q? I have been using same shitty ones I fused since the end of the 1st dungeon and I'm at the start of the 3rd one now. What should I think about when fusing etc?
>>340099959
I started with 4, just do that, if you beat it and enjoy it before 5 comes out you can go back to 3 then follow up with 5.
![kyknAti[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q8L2iW1.jpg "kyknAti[1].jpg")
>>340099959
I got u senpai
>>340099959
Whichever one you play first will determine which side you take in this shitty war, congratulations
>>340099959
P3 FES emulated on PC.
It's easier to go to P4 afterwards, and 3's characters are more interesting to me personally.
I'm glad we can all agree to hate each other.
>>340099959
Release order always
Which in this case means 3 since Persona started at 3
>>340100302
Hoy
>>340100370
Hello again not canon-kun
>>340100370
>Fueling the flames even more by adding P3P into the mix
I see what you're up to you little noncanon shit
>>340100302
I played Persona 3 first, then Persona 3 FES (I liked Persona 3!) then finally got around to getting Persona 4.
I like Persona 4 more and think its much better overall than Persona 3.
Why are jrpg fans the worst fanbase in video games? We're literally worse than fighting game faggots. No other genre is this toxic and awful towards it's own games.
>>340100415
>persona 3
shoots self in head to kill own ego and bring out the "facade" shown to the world, the persona. Social links advance better by telling people what they want to hear.
>Persona 4
You use personas as if they are literal cards in your hand to play at any given time. You accept that the different facets of your personality all link back to and are part of your true self, not as separate or as 'fake' as persona 3 would have you believe. Social Links advance best when you tell people the truth.
>persona 5
???????
>>340100507
>>340100681
>>340100985
>what is the Zelda fanbase
>what is the Sonic fanbase
>what is the Pokemon fanbase
I can't wait for two years from now when everyone here thinks 5 is overrated shit and that 4 was better, describing it with vague nostalgic words like "comfy".
>>340100985
>worse than fighting game faggots.
It's not nice to lie, Anon.
>>340100985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsJfLKtGlfw
>>340101065
>persona 3
shoots self in head as a metaphor for being unafraid of death in order to bring out their true self, the persona. Social links advance better by being real with people
>Persona 4
You use personas as if they are literal cards in your hand to play at any given time. You use each card as nothing more than a tool, each one willing to do anything you command of it, serving your completely and unable to think or act for themselves. Social Links automatically advance because people fall over for you at a moment's glance
>Finish my year at uni
>Start working at McDonalds right away
>It's fucking shit
>Need something cool to calm me down and relax
>Continue that 40h in P4G save
>It's insanely comfy
>Now I even hear Rise saying "Way to go Senpai" when I cook my burgers
10/10 but P3 is still better.
>>340101336
Sonic fanbase is terrible in a completely different way
FFags are the exact same power level as Zelda fans, if not worse
Pokemon is a jrpg
>>340101065
I think the costumes will be the main gimmick, wearing your heart on your sleeve type thing which maybe explains personas being enemies and having forms outside of your control
>>340101065
>Persona 5
Put on masks because otherwise the real world police would know who you are.
>>340101745Way to go Senpai!
>>340101703
>social links advance by being real with people
No, there are several social links that advance slow as shit unless you tell them what they want to hear.
>social links automatically advance
at a signifigantly slower rate if you are not being honest, the sole exception is the Adachi link in Golden, which advances in P3 style- you tell him what he wants to hear.
>>340101703
>Persona 5
You rip off your mask, it being the mask we are forced to wear in society (the persona) emancipating your true self
>>340101952
P4 doesn't even give you any option, you only tell people what they want to hear. P3 actually lets you be a douche if you want, and the characters themselves are way better, like the Sun in 3
>>340101943
T-thanks !
It's thanks to you that I'm still here
>>340102234
>telling him that his story is gay
>telling the athlete guy that he is a pussy
>telling yuko that she eats too much and that you hate kids
Too bad I was a serious boy and didn't do it on my first playthrough.
>>340102458
So because you thinking his story is gay means that saying you like the story is not the truth, and is telling him what he wants to hear. There's no way someone could think that telling him his story was good was the truth, right?
Or maybe P3 actually gives you choices, something P4 doesn't.
>>340102803
>refusing to advance the S-link
For what purpose? might as well skip it
>>340102803
I don't understand what you are trying to say.
>>340086101
If that's such an issue, play P3P and control your party faggot
>>340103205
"The truth" is subjective. I did word that poorly, I agree.
>>340103287
best decision of my life right there.
>>340103287
P3P on your first play is cancer-tier.
>>340103570
this
I was hyped for P5 but now I have the feeling it's going to incorporate the worst aspects of 4.
>>340079380
That's part of what makes it more memorable than 3.
Things are light hearted and chill until they suddenly get very dark and troubling. Situations have much more gravity when the tone of the game isn't always grimdark and edgy. It's something you appreciate when you're older.
I don't know why people waste their time arguing with Persona 3 fanboys. They are clearly fucked in the head. Every argument they make is downright idiotic and ignorant. Defending not controlling your party, pretending the story isn't nonexistent for the majority of the game, they actually believe p3 isn't the odd one out in the series, they think character development means being annoying and static till the end of the game where they change a tiny bit.
It's just pointless arguing with such stupid people.
Persona 3 is one of the worst jrpgs out there.
Persona 4 is just a more tolerable version of Persona 3, making it a mediocre game at best.
>>340104075
>>340104075
I can't help it desu. I love how much they loathe P3P.
>>340104075
I love Strawmen
>>340104075
Sounds as if you don't like either of them so I don't know why you're chiming in.
Aesthetically Persona 3 FES was better imo. The music was better and more memorable. The characters were bearable. As far as story goes I thought it was fine although the story aspect in both games is shit imo. Much more so in 4.
P4 is good too but P3FES is better. P4G/FES are on par with enjoyment for me but FES was more interesting.
>>340103570
It's really not that bad
>>340104515
For me P4G is my favorite game of all time. P3FES is really good too, but it doesnt crack my top 10 list.
>>340104656
What makes 3 that much worse?
>>340103887
>more memorable than 3
I can tell you very obviously played 4 first.
>>340104656
Hey I'm the opposite, what a coincidence!
>>340104790
Its not that its bad, its just that P4G is better by a significant margin. P3 story didn't really engage me. It was interesting, but I didn't care for most of the characters and felt like the characters did not really do anything until the second half. Many of the social links were boring too imo. Meanwhile I really liked P4's story, its social links, its cast. It had tons of group events with the cast doing something and lots of relationship building. I really cared and felt for Nanako when shit happened to her. Meanwhile, I hardly cared about Shinjiro.
P3 had much better boss fights imo, but aside from that I feel like literally everything in P4 was better by a massive margin. I also prefer P4s music and general tone more than P3, but that doesnt really factor heavily into my feelings.
>>340105243
No social link is P4 even comes close to Akinari.
>>340103570
Why?
I started playing it a couple of days and I'm having a blast (I tried to play FES but I couldn't stomach the boring navigation, the lol u r tired nigga, and not controlling my teammates.
>>340105243
I think it's more the tone that appeals to you then. Persona 4 felt very anime "everything is fine power of friendship yeah let's do it guys!". Everybody pretty much suckered up to you from day 1.
Persona 3 felt much realer imo. They're both good for different reasons though. I loved P4G, it felt really nice connecting to the characters and caring for them. I was legitimately sad when P4G ended, felt like the end of summer back when I was at school where you're finished playing out with your friends and you have to go back to school after a long holiday.
P3FES felt much more satisfying to beat, much cooler and fun to play. Different strokes I guess.
>>340105990
I know it's your opinion and I can usually see why people like a certain thing over another but I implore you to play FES instead of P3P if you really like it.
>>340105990
Stop trying to start shit
>>340104656
Switch P4 and P3 and that's the exact same message I posted not so long ago on a similar thread.
Persona is a gay as fuck, boring game that is literally created for kids with autism. Virgins, I swear to god.
>>340106309
>tfw not a virgin, have a girlfriend and like watching anime and playing jap games
Although saying that it's hard to find people with similar interests who are normal
>>340106431
That pic made me laugh
I dislike anime, it's fucking ridiculous.
>>340106242
The only ones that start shit are those that can't tolerate different opinions
>>340106309
Epic, dude
>>340106573
>I dislike anime
Why are you even on 4chan? Go to literally any other gaming site.
>>340106014
P3's ending was anime as fuck. Everyone suddenly can't stand, except MC-san, who learned to fly off-screen. And then they forget shit for extra drama.
>>340106578
I'm just pointing out that that post was clearly trying to bait shitposting, see>>340104306
>>340106661
Hey it's my opinion little one. You nerds think everyone has to like anime.
>>340106573
>it's fucking ridiculous
That's why I only like anime, west garbage is boring as fuck by comparision
>>340106745
Felt more symbolic rather than "I'm the chosen one and have plot armor".
>>340106892
>calling somebody a nerd
>whilst being on 4chan
>just shitposting for no reason
okay
>>340107016
So not dying equals plot armor? Also, MC is the chosen one.
>>340106014
>Persona 3 felt much realer imo
With sentient robot girls and an albinos dog having an ego ?
P4's cast behavior towards MC has an in-game explanation, he comes from the city and he's pretty much the new attraction at school. Also Inaba is a small city where everyone knows what going on in town. On the other hand P3 MC is a literal who in a huge urban environment.
>>340097060
gappy and dio ones are a stretch
>>340107602
I was speaking more about tone. And settle down mate I still think P4G is a good game.
>>340107414
Yeah not dying usually equals plot armor.
Chosen one in a less obvious way then.
>>340107602
>With sentient robot girls and an albinos dog having an ego ?
4 has a giant teddie bear that grows a body via push-ups
>>340107414
Partly. Not dying in a situation you SHOULD die in is plot armor.
>>340106170
Maybe I'll pick FES after I finish P3P
>>340107602
>getting mad at robots and a dog when a fucking teddy bear turns into a human when he comes out of the TV
Retard.
>>340107414
That's the literal definition of plot armor in that instance.
>>340108856
Well if you can get through P3P then more power to you. I thought it was shit.
No real reason to go play FES if you complete P3P, The Answer is bullshit
>>340109086
I like the answer
>>340108953
What's wrong with a shadow pretending to be human? Lucifer cosplays as human in every SMT game.
Having a super advanced android that doesn't fit the setting and that has to pretend to be a real grill, now that's dumb.
>>340109306
>Aigis doesn't fit the setting
Aigis is the embodiment of P3 the same way Chie is the embodiment of P4
>>340109306
She's made in a lab or something? Can't quite remember her origin story, the only thing about it is that they chose to make a sentiment killing robot a girl. Still, I think it fits the setting.
>>340109250
It's pretty bullshit though come on
>persona 3 color theme is blue
>blue is the color of depression and death
>persona 4 color theme is yellow
>yellow is the color of happiness
>persona 5 color theme is red
>red is the color of angry
>mfw
>>340109568
I want Persona 6; Green with Envy
