How the fuck was Sonic able to use chaos control in SA2?
Sonic is the actual ultimate life form.
The mural in sonic adventure 1 depicted super sonic, which shadow's design was based off of when gerald was doing his thing. They knew he was the real ultimate life form.
>>340033997
He copied shadow
>>340034130
wat
because shadow was the faker
>>340033997
Because Sonic writing is fucking retarded.
>>340034130
>SA1
It was 3&K you dope
The plot demanded it.
I'M THE COOLEST
ORA ORA ORA!!
Rats...
>>340034130
Was this ever confirmed with in the game canon?
I'LL MAKE YOU EAT THOSE WORDS
>>340036423
YOU'RECOMPARINGYOURSELFTOME?
HA!
YOU'RENOTEVENGOODENOUGHTOBEM
>>340034130
No, the mural depicted Super Sonic fighting Eggman in space (end of S3&K), which Gerald interpreted as him creating the ultimate lifeform.
>>340034130
>>340036369
>>340036561
Is there an actual listed canon lore/timeline for sonic?
>>340033997
HERE I CUM YOU CREEP
>>340036561
Actually it depicted both of those events. This is signified by the fight at the end of SA2 where both Sonic AND Shadow fight in space. It was a dual prophecy.
>>340036369
I'm pretty sure if you keep the Finalhazard fight going on for long enough Shadow tells Sonic that he must be the ultimate life form.
>>340036541
>>340038128
Glad to know shit like this still brings a smile to my face
>>340034130
>>340036561
There's also dis shit right here
>>340039809
Also, considering Shadow is blatantly modeled after the image of Sonic in Hidden Palace, I'd say it's safe to assume that Biolizard, likewise, is modelled after the images of Perfect Chaos in Lost World
>>340040086
It is
Hence the chaos-like enemies in the Ark levels of SA2.
on another note, how is a hedgehog the ultimate lifeform?
T
>>340040720
HIS
>>340040674
A creature able to travel at the speed of sound and immortal if in contact with gold seems pretty ultimate as far as things go.
>>340040720
>>340040912
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ14xlT9iHM
I'll use your move; Chaos Control!
>>340041649
But how
>>340041803
He had Tails' fake emerald.
He made it with the same energy and wavelength as the real deal.
>>340033997
Sonic had used the emeralds enough times in previous games to figure out how to harness their power to his advantage. Knuckles should theoretically be able to use chaos control as well, he just never does for some reason.
And even though Sonic was using a fake emerald in that scene, it still had enough energy for him to use it. The fake emerald just simply wasn't as powerful as a real one.
>>340042065
But how does Sonic specifically use chaos control upon not ever using it or practicing it or knowing it existed before shadow came along with the power to harness it?
>>340033997
Because he lived and learned.
>>340042459
Well, he was hanging on the edge of tomorrow there.
>>340033997
>>340042406
When I first played the game, I just passed it off with "Sonic is too cool to die."
Now, I think it has something to do with their ability to use the emeralds to their fullest extent, which also includes having a super form. That's also why Silver and Black Doom have the ability to use Chaos Control.
With that said, you could also say Knuckles, Tails, and even Mecha Sonic can use Chaos Control.
>>340033997
Was the Shadow in Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog the real Shadow or a clone? It always pissed me off that they gave him a noble death at the end of SA2 along with a eulogy and then lol, j/k he's alive.
>>340042726
It's him, Eggman used his Eggman's robots to catch him and save his life.
The big question isn't "how could Sonic use Chaos Control" - we just assume he's really good at using Chaos energy.
The real question is, what the fuck is the deal with the fake Chaos Emerald? It has the "same wavelength and properties" as a real one, it's almost as powerful as a real one, and it can be used for Chaos powers just like a real one. Why the hell are the real ones so sought after then? If it's that easy to make a fake one that's like 90% as good as the real thing, you'd think Eggman and whomever else would be cranking out factories worth of those motherfuckers by now.
It's probably just nitpicking, but the fact that a knockoff Chaos Emerald can just be manufactured so easily and effectively pretty much undermines their power and how sought after they are in every other game in the series
>>340043585
It's not as powerful though.
You probably couldn't use it for infinite free energy the way you use the real emeralds.
>>340043585
It's been ages since I played SA2 but didn't Sonic or Tails try to use the fake emerald as a trap and Eggman rejected it? Like you said, if it's almost as good as the real deal, why wouldn't Eggman just mass produce them? Even if they're only a percentage as powerful as the real ones, he could make up for it in sheer quantity.
>>340033997
>THE ULTIMATE LIFEFORM... MIGHT BE YOU!
>>340043723If the Chaos Emeralds have infinite energy, why would you ever need more than one?
>>340043884
Because then you have infinity times seven.
>>340043884
Because when you get all 7 together, you can turn into your super form if you're a hedgehog.
>>340043585
Because a fake emerald is only good for a power source.
Collecting seven fake emeralds won't create a miracle, like collecting a set of seven Dragon Balls would. Remember in DBZ canon, only the seven balls in a specific set will work. Six yellow balls and one red ball won't do shit.
sonic used that master emerald shard with the fake chaos emerald and did it
that's how i've always saw it
>>340043974
THAT LOOKS LIKE A HOMING SHOT
>>340033997
>SA2 multiplayerCOWS CONTROL
Sonic Adventure 2 isn't the only game with a fake emerald.
There's one in Sonic The Fighters, where you need all seven emeralds to stop Robotnik but eight opponentss have one. Better to just take all eight with you rather than just getting seven and finding out one of them was a fake.
In Sonic Heroes, Shadow pulls a fake emerald out of Omega's chest to use Chaos Control as part of their team attack.
The fake emerald is usually an amber color, but they probably made it green in Sonic Heroes to reference the first time we saw Shadow use it.
>>340043884
I don't think a single emerald has infinite power, just a shit load of it
They're like the infinity gems, one is enough to make you powerful as fuck but you need all seven if you want to be nigh-omnipotent
>>340034130
Close but no cigar.
Sonic was the original ultimatev lifeform, but Shadow is now. He can do everything Sonic can do plus tons of other Chaos Powers. He was created to use the chaos emeralds.
>>340044209
>Making dragon ball comparisons
You're ignoring the fact that dragon balls and chaos emeralds each do different things. A single chaos emerald can do more than what a single dragon ball can do.
>Because a fake emerald is only good for a power source.
That's what Eggman would use them for anyway.
>>340036663
Yes. Autistic as the haters haters can be (AEB the same individuals coming in every thread spewing shitty meme quotes then complain about Sonic threads being shit), there was once an actual consistent Lore to the series from Sonic 1 up to Shadow the Hedgehog where everything connected. Everything is explained through the Japanese manuals though.
Then they ducking reset everything with 06 and the canon restarts every game now.
>>340044714
>Somebody compares men and women because they are both bipedal great apes
>YOU ARE FORGETTING THE FACT THAT MEN HAVE PENISES AND WOMEN HAVE VAGINAS
Are you retarded? I'm not being rhetorical, here.
>>340044963
Why did Sonic Adventure go from magical animal wonderland to metropolitan city filled with human beings? Did the lore ever explain that? Did the cast go to a different dimension at some point?
>>340045137
The Island dropped from the sky dingus
so what are fucking chaos drives, then?
They look like chaos emerald shards in tubes that are used to power robots, are they just chunks of mass produced fake emeralds?
Is that why eggman didn't care about the fake emerald?
>>340044963
....Sonic 2006 didn't, "reset" anything.
Have you ever played Dino Crisis?
Anyway, every Sonic title was following the same canon up until Sonic Generations. Then Lost World and Sonic Boom did their own things.
Both Secret Rings and Black Knight are just deemed as dreams Sonic had while reading the books before bed.
>>340045137
There are 3 different universes with sonic in them. One is the adventure universe.
>>340045137
...Tell me what's in the background of Chemical Plant Zone.
>>340045056
>Someone makes a stupid argument
>Somebody else points out how stupid that argument is
>Well... you're retarded
People like you make me laugh everytime.
>>340045189
That was just angel island you dingus.
>>340045137
No, if you look at the original Sonic games they were always in the human world. Star Light Zone, Spring Yard Zone, Casino Night Zone among other places are clearly regular man-made areas. Also Eggman is a human, obviously.
They just didn't add human NPC's into the older games because they were less story and lore-driven, but all the evidence points to them being in the exact same world as the later games.
>>340033997
the same way amy can cause other people to wait a minute
>>340045315
Robotnikopolis? City of robots and enslaved animals?
>>340045328
>Comparing Chaos Emeralds to Dragon Balls is a stupid argument
Fuck off, retard.
>mfw the Shadow levels were the best levels in SA2
>played the shit out of them for that sweet ass running animation
>Shadow made Sonic look like a fucking nerd with how much slick ass style he was oozing
>he's been fucked up ever since
It's not fair.
Friendly reminder that even as far back as Sonic 1, there were intended to be extra human characters aside from Eggman, although they were cut.
The Sonic world is basically like the Looney Tunes world. It's mostly similar to the human world, but there's also some zany locations too. There are small realistic animals and also big animals that walk and talk like people but none of the humans bat an eyelid. That's just how it works.
>>340045396
>Makng shit up on the spot to justify beliefs
This is how a social justice warrior thinks.
Stop being retarded and accept the fact that Sonic's Earth is a homage to Dragon Ball's Earth, where you have dinosaurs and futuristic cities on one continent.
>>340045576
Can you explain how assuming that humans live there is any less making shit up on the spot to justify beliefs?
>>340034130
Not to mention Shadow is based off the tenrec, which is colloquially referred to as "a fake hedgehog"
Pic related was his original color scheme, based off a tenrec
>>340045137
There are different places in the world you know. 1 took place in mostly nature dominated environments with some city stages like the casino stage. Same with 2. 3 is on Angel island. And Adventure just finally moved him into more 'populated' environments now that hardware limitations were no longer a thing and they could make people in the games.
>>340045669
Because of >>340045565 and >>340045576
Sorry that you're either in denial or just an idiot. Nobody cares about your Mobius or your Swatbots or your DiC shit.
>>340045334
fuck you dingus
>It's 2016 and people are still confusing SatAM bullshit with SegaSonic canon
>>340045439
There are seven of them and they can do something powerful when you have all seven. That's where the similarities end. Their actual capabilities and the lore behind each of them are quite different.
A single chaos emerald can do shit. A single dragon ball is practically worthless. You can make fake chaos emeralds that have similar energy but are less powerful. Fake dragon balls would be nothing more than useless glass orbs. Seven fake emeralds may not be able to turn you into Super Sonic but they are a hell of lot more powerful than seven fake dragon balls which wouldn't do anything.
Why did you even bring dragon balls into this discussion?
>>340045775
>DiC
PINGAS
I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG
SCRATCH! GROUNDER! YOU NINCOMPOOPS
YOU BOLTS FOR BRAINS
YOU BLASTED DUMBOTS
>>340045937
Because they make Sonic go super saiyan
>>340045240
It was reset in regards to more. It was the first game to have literally no connection in any way shape or form to the old games beyond Sonic and Shadow being rivals.
>>340045775
So your "evidence" is stuff that was never put in the game and your own post that lacks supporting evidence? Gee, guess you're a Social Justice Warrior then.
>>340045669
That other anon used a shitty example with Chemical Plant because it's clearly a Robotnik-made area.
However, Spring Yard Zone and Star Light Zone very heavily resemble human settlements, and as stated in >>340045565, there were intended to be humans in Sonic right from the first game although they had to be cut for various reasons (stylistic clashes mostly I believe, I'll get back to you with a source on that one). Sonic Adventure references and continues the plots mentioned in the Japanese comics of the original games, and Angel Island was once connected to the Mystic Ruins, which is only a train ride away from Station Square, a largely human settlement. Also there's the obvious stuff like Eggman clearly being a human, clearly having normal human ancestry in Gerald Robotnik. Plus let us not forget that by the canon Japanese manuals, Sonic's birthplace is Christmas Island, a small tropical mostly-uninhabited island near Australia.
Sonic has always took place in a cartoony exaggerated version of the real world. Sometimes it's exaggerated more than others, but it's always been an alternate Earth. Only the bullshit western comics and cartoons ever muddied the water as far as that fact is concerned
>>340045960
People may always quote Tomorrow I'll, but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3GZDq8RSdw
This is my favorite thing to ever come out of it
>>340045240
Black Knight was an excuse because he was late for a date
>>340045439
Here's your (you)
Seriously, how did he KNOW?
>>340046336
he saw two additional emerald readings on his radar even though he already had six of the emeralds. Play the Dark story again, I don't know why people keep asking this question
>>340046336
BECAUSE YOU JUST TOLD ME FOX BOY
>>340046336
BECAUSE YOU JUST TOLD HIM
FOX BOY
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B
O
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>>340046058
Ya let's just ignore the fact Blaze recognizes Sonic. I guess Sonic Rush means shit.
Also references Shadow The Hedgehog on how Shadow is now at peace with his past and has become a GUN agent like the GUN Commander in ShTH hard mode said he wanted.
Don't fucking talk about Sonic lore unless you're actually following Sonic lore.
>>340046182
Tomorrow I'll is good but a bit overrated, my personal favorite is still
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QeYpjbsGfU
It made me appreciate Baldry's vocals more
>>340033997
because sonic comes from a species of anthropomorphic blue hedgehogs who can run faster than the speed of sound. they have been known to use chaos energy in the past. this is a scientific fact.
>>340046160
The fucking description for Chemical Plant Zone is that it's the city's processing plant that Robotnik fucking came and polluted. SatAM isn't canon you retard, so stop pretending that it is.
>>340046336
>Poses six of thr seven emeralds
>Radar picks up two emeralds headed your way
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>>340046589
You a real fucking nigger bro, I'm backing up your argument that Sonic is in the human world. At no point did I pretend SatAM is canon, I just got one point about Chemical Plant wrong. Are you actually reading posts or are you just jumping at peoples throats like a retard
I don't know what's funnier about this thread, the anon denying that almost everything in Sonic The Hedgehog is an homage to Dragon Ball Z or the anons who can't disassociate the shitty cartoons from games
>>340043723
Didn't it break after he used it?
>>340046732
>Being mad at others
>Is racist
:Y
>>340046336
Play the dark story.
He had a radar that was picking up signals from the second emerald which clued him in that they were planning something.
>>340043884
Seven create a miracle. And the master emerald is the actual infinite one, I think the chaos emeralds just take from its reservoir, and they've stopped working before.
>>340046767
I wouldn't say EVERYTHING in Sonic is an homage to DBZ, although Super forms and Shadow/Silver certainly are. The series was known for ripping off everything it could back in the early 90s. The Death Egg speaks for itself, it's literally just the Death Star with a moustache, and of course I'm sure by now everybody knows about the connection between Angel Island and Laputa: Castle In The Sky
>>340045137
Original games-South Island, Mobian paradise
Newer Games- Other islands, Overlanders/Humans
>>340046873
Why do people keep claiming any of these things have infinite energy when it's not even remotely true
>>340047024
>Comics
>>340046589
Not that anon but the Japanese manuals have no such description. You can't just pick and choose between the Japanese manual canon and the American manual canon as you see fit.
>>340047024
>Mobian
Get your SatAM faggotry out of here already. It's always been a planet called Earth.
And if you wanna try to use some shitty American instruction manual to counter this, I'm just going to bring up how they called Amy Rose, "Princess Sally".
>>340047024
you mobiusfags are just terrible at bait, don't you ever feel bad at being that lazy? there are much better ways to get (You)'s
>>340045524
At least we can all agree the REAL Shadow can't be made fun of. SA2 Shadow was a fun, arrogant(rightly so), and calm character. It's the new games where they completely missed the point of him that he sucks in.
>>340047095
I wasn't talking about manuals and wasn't even aware manuals described each zone.
Please don't put words in my mouth. That's strawmanning an argument.
>>340047024
>Kenny Pinders faggotry
AND LARA-SU IS A REAL HERO
>>340046058
06 was supposed to be a reboot. Guys, this is a good thing. They knew the sonic games were gonna start sucking, so now we can put all the bad games in the 06/Boom timeline(once they crank more Boom out), and keep the Genesis/Adventure/Any other good games timeline pure.
Uh oh autistic DBZ defense force fans arrived
bail
>>340047250
>I wasn't talking about manuals and wasn't even aware manuals described each zone.
>The fucking description for Chemical Plant Zone is that it's the city's processing plant that Robotnik fucking came and polluted
Then where did you get this 'description' from? Genuinely asking, I'm on your side we all know Sonic never took place on """"""Mobius"""""" I just don't get where you got this from.
>That's strawmanning an argument.
There is no argument. Sonic takes place on Earth. Why do you keep getting so defensive and shit when I literally agree with you, I'm not the retarded Mobiusanon
Speaking of manuals, there was a Japanese one about the Space Colony Ark that contained logs and findings by Rouge and GUN. It was really interesting and shed some light on some things the game didn't touch on. Anyone know what I'm talking about? I lost the link to it.
>>340047419
It was in some interview about Sonic Generations.
And agreeing with me on one topic doesn't make you right about another. We might both agree that hitting a woman is wrong, but that doesn't stop you from believing that men in drag or men with castrated dicks are also women.
>>340047347
No Penders had like two good characters, the man was a retard who loved his OC's too much
You just raise the emerald in the air and yell CHAOS CONTROL.
What's the big deal?
>>340047589
>mfw he legitimately thinks he owns the concept of "Evil Sonic"
I'd really like to see him go to court over it because there's no way any judge would take him seriously
>>340046589
>SatAM isn't canon you retard, so stop pretending that it is
did you actually read the post you replied to past the first line
>>340045137
The explanation for Station Square in the comics was batshit insane
Once, there was an alien race that got really pissed off because humans dissected their emissary. The aliens retaliated by pelting earth with "gene bombs" that de-evolved humans into barbaric, 4-fingered Overlanders and mutated the animals into Mobians. One human ship in space avoided the bombs and the people formed the city hidden in a mountain.
>>340047712
I hope he does, and I hope Sega kicks his ass.
>>340047712
...He DID take it to court. He got legal rights to own all of his Knuckles recolours.
>>340047721
That's what happens when you make up nothing but bullshit for 6 years and suddenly had to fit in the games
Damn, this thread is fucking retarded. Where did all the comic fags come from? They're baiting right? Nobody actually believes that the old Sonic games and the Adventures are different canons, do they? Nobody actually believes in that Sally Acorn shit?
>>340047982
But where dose Sonic Underground fit into this???
>>340047764
Sega doesn't care enough about comic only characters to defend it.
Pretty sure they forced Archie into settling because they didn't think it was worth drawing out.
>>340047858
I meant just the Evil Sonic part, there's no way they let him have something that's literally Sonic with sunglasses
>>340045908
I know. Considering the canon conflicts and the fact they single handedly turned the fanbase into a hive of autism, the comics and cartoons have brought nothing positive to the franchise.
>>340046487
Blaze's back story in rush doesn't even match the one in 06
>>340046487
>don't talk a about lore unless you know what you're talking about
How about you not talk admit games you haven't fucking played yet then.
Blaze doesn't fucking know Sonic in that game because THAT Blaze is not the one from Rush. She is her own 06 version of the character.
>that moment when you realize Blaze was actually the guardian of the sol emeralds and not Silvers best friend from a ruined future
How does it feel?
And stop fucking playing, Shadows past isn't referenced in 06, or at least nothing note worthy.
>>340033997
I always figured it was like Jotaro v Dio. They basically have the exact same abilities, Sonic just never even thought to do it cause why the fuck would he know about Chaos Control until seeing Shadow do it? Add in some life-or-death desperation and there you go.
>>340048157
Who said Blaze was from the future?
This chart might help explain things, though Eggman Nega is from Sonic's future, not Blaze's present.
>>340048363
>hough Eggman Nega is from Sonic's future,
That was such a retarded retcon. He was supposed to be alternate dimension Eggman.
>>340048283
>Someone mentions a blue hedgehog
>A fucking six second long screen focusing on Blaze's reaction to hearing this
>"THAT Blaze"
fuck off
>>340048283
>And stop fucking playing, Shadows past isn't referenced in 06, or at least nothing note worthy.
>GUN Commander wants to make Shadow an agent of GUN (You DID complete hard mode, right?)
>Very next fucking game, Shadow is an agent of GUN
You can just fuck off forever now, champ.
>>340048363
What the fuck is this?
>>340048557
delete this
>>340048363
What was she doing in the future fighting demons and away from the Sol emeralds when she's the guardian, why didn't she stop silver from going after sonic when she knows sonic personally
>>340048363
>who said Blaze was from the future?
Pic related.
>graph states Silver is the only character in the future in 06 in spite of Blaze being in the scene he references for Blaze 'knowing' sonic IN THE FUTURE
pic related.
>>340048687
Pic. Related.
>>340048629
At the end of shadow he says he won't take orders from anyone and cut off his connections to his past
So it's only logical that he would end up taking orders from the same organization that killed his bff from his past
>>340048687
>Pic related
>>340048651
I don't know why she's in the future with Silver, it's never explained. But it is canon that Eggman Nega is a lying bastard from Sonic's future, and isn't from Blaze's dimension at all.
If Eggman Nega can travel to Blaze's dimension, then there must be a means for Blaze to travel to Sonic's future. And she evidently didn't know she was even in Sonic's world until "blue hedgehog" is mentioned, at which point she seeks Silver to see if she can find out if it's actually Sonic or not.
They even have a scene where Silver is debating with himself whether killing Sonic to save the future is the morally right choice or not. Blaze says she doesn't know, but they have to try. Blaze is weighing the life of a friend with the lives of everyone, and at this point she didn't even have confirmation that it was Sonic or not yet.
>>340048857
Stop posting anytime.
>>340049026
u
I doubt Chaos energy is hard to use seeing how Tails was able to replicate it and the echidna clan all are able to use it, Knuckles is even able to use the master emerald which is a even greater source of chaos energy. It's even replicable and controllable to create low intelligent monsters.
After seeing Shadow use it, in sure Sonic was able to replicate it easily. Of course Shadow was created to be able to use Chaos energy more adapt than others given his Chaos based attacks
That's just fan theory though the actual answer is because plot lol
>>340046873
Actually lore states chaos emeralds came long before the master emerald and that the master emerald was merely used as a conmduit to control the chaos emeralds more effieciently (like bringing out there full power in sonic 3+K.
>Knuckles is even able to use the master emerald which is a even greater source of chaos energy
>Play SA
>Rebuild the Master Emerald
>It just sits there being useless for the rest of the game
When the hell does Knuckles ever use it?
>>340049272
never
>>340049175
Oh, all right.
>>340047712
I want Sega to make a game where an alternate universe evil Sonic (Not the same one from the comic) is the main villain.
I want Penders to think Sega stole his completely original idea and try to take the entire company to court over it.
I want Penders to get his ass blasted off by a sane judge that won't fall for the stalling shit he pulled last time.
How the fuck does he expect to get his Lara-Su comic out anyway? I doubt any publisher will want to work with him at this point once they google his name.
>>340049819
what
>>340049819
We almost had a robot tails last time, maybe SEGA cut the idea because Penders owns Evil Tails?
>>340047575
Weren't you just complaining about strawman arguments?
>>340035468
/thread
why do hedgehogs turn super saiyan
>>340052059
Because Dragon Ball.
>>340052059
because when you unite the seven dragon balls, you wish for super saiyan from the dragon.
>>340049272
Knuckles is a responsible guardian and only uses it to stop the Chaos emeralds when they are going to shit.
I doubt he's smart enough to realize it's full power anyways
>>340045137
Art-direction. The Sonic universe has always had humans in it (Eggman), and normal-looking cities (Spring Yard Zone, Starlight Zone, Casino Night Zone, etc.), it's just that Sonic Adventure has anime humans instead of something like pic related or Unleashed, and uses actual photographs for most of its textures as opposed to limiting the amount of detail it has.
>>340052882
I don't think he even realizes he's guarding it to protect the world from Chaos who is sealed inside.
He thinks Chaos broke the emerald instead of the emerald broke and Chaos was released.
>>340052882
I would like Hyper Knuckles to come back.
I wish Sega didn't only want hedgehogs to go Super
>>340052059
Tons of people go golden haired warrior in japanese media. It's all a reference to Journey to the West.
Why the fuck are you autists discussing sonic lore
Why the fuck have Sega not released a Chao Garden mobile game? It's so obvious.
>>340053074
Because it's fun
>>340053183
Because Sega hasn't had a good idea in decades
>>340053183
The yellow parts of the chao are calluses.
SHADOW! THE ARTIFICIAL CHAOS IS OUT OF CONTROL!!! YOU HAVE TO LURK THROUGH THE DEPTHS OF THE ARK AND KILL ALL 30 OR THEM!!!!! PLEASE HURRY!
>>340052995
To be fair it's not like anyone could have told him being the last of his race. But then again that brings up the question of how he knew he had to guard the thing in the first place
>>340053005
I agree the hyper forms were great additions I don't know why they got rid of them
>>340053183
Because Sega hates money
Shadow the Hedgehog is a better game than both Adventure 1 and heroes.
It has many failings but what it sets out to do is truely impressive and th re sheer amount of levels, their length, and the ways to play through them is very impressive.
>>340054082
A shame it's sub 20 fps make it unplayable edgy garbage
>>340054173
>A shame it's sub 20 fps make it unplayable edgy garbage
On Xbox it runs perfectly fine. Even the GameCube version is manegable. The only unplayable version is PS2.
>>340054173
>A shame it's sub 20 fps make it unplayable edgy garbageHD REMASTER WHEN?
>>340053592
that and the bomb mission in the computer level were actual shit. I spent thirty minutes on that and still got an a rank
>>340054271
I played the PS2 version and even with a good frame rate it's still trash
>>340053592
>SHADOW! THE ARTIFICIAL CHAOS IS OUT OF CONTROL!!!
They're not though.
They were literally just floating around harmlessly.
>>340054615
The PS2 version is complete shit, just like pretty much all PS2 multiplats
Because the writers remembered that Sonic is the main character and couldn't die, so they did that asspull in order to save him.
I've 100%ed all the adventure era sonic games
Unlocking and beating hard mode on shadow the hedgehog was actually really satisfying.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0IUxd2xX4EM
>>340055225
Holy shit
>>340055073
>they couldn't kill sonic off and make tails the new hero of the series
>>340054082
>what it sets out to do is truely impressive
Appeal to the absolute lowest common denominator and relentlessly pad the games length by making you run through the same shitty generic corridor levels again, except this time killing all the aliens in the way?
I don't know why people praise the mission system in Shadow, most of the levels don't even feel like they were made with the mission system in mind, like they just made a regular level and then added kill X aliens objectives a few months later.
>>340055505
Dude, Tails would get his ass handed to him by Shadow and Eggman would put all the emeralds into the cannon.
>>340040086
>>340040419
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>>340046336
YOU JUST TOLD ME FUCKBOI
>>340033997
Because he saw Shadow do it.
If shadow is the strongest why does sonic usually beat him?
this thread is blowing my mind.
>>340046403
I really miss dickass "Actually Kinda Cunning And Smart" Eggman.
I mean, I don't hate newer Eggman either.
I've only ever played Adventure 2 on Gamecube. Was it only the Gamecube version that had the weird audio fuck ups?
>>340044628
That's wrong though
I see Shadow and Sonic as the Abomination and the Hulk.
Shadow is based off of Sonic as is Abomination off the Hulk and while they were based off of them they were given expanded abilities so that they could become more powerful.
But they have no actual potential.
Anything that Sonic can do when Shadow was created he can do.
However He can't do anything Sonic learns on top of that because he doesn't have the potential like Sonic does.
tl;dr
Shadow has a set cap on his abilities whereas Sonic has none.
I recently replayed SA2, and Shadow seemed like a much better character than i remembered.
He's not just an edgelord or anything, he just seems like a smartass dick, just like Sonic, except on the opposite side of the hero-villain thing.
Like Sonic always used to be a smartass and stuff, but he was always a smartass that was fundamentally devoted to helping others, shadow seems like a smartass who's just watching out for himself
>>340058946
Then Heroes happened, and his character went downhill from there.
>>340052882
I still wish the Sonic OVA personalities were the canon.
Sonic as a sarcastic hero
Tails as a genius who is still clearly just a child and has all the flaws associated with that
And Knuckles as an intelligent treasure hunter type.
Instead we just have:
Sonic the no-personality cool guy
Tails the genius
And Knuckles the angry idiot
seven
>>340039809
>>340040086
Holy shit, I never noticed these.
>>340036271
i can't i can't
Wait, do people actually think Shadow is better than Sonic?
Sonic is literally 4-0 against Shadow canonically.
5-0 if we count generations.
>>340059396
Sonic had a personality in adventure 2.
He seemed more mature too.
>>340060215
>Sonic is literally 4-0 against Shadow canonically.
I count 4-0-1
the first SA2 battle is essentially a draw even though Shadow appears to be more winded at the end of it and retreats.
>>340060323
Well yeah, but I feel like it was probably with Heroes that they cemented the less nuanced personalities, if that makes any sense
>>340047451
I think you're referring to this:
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_Adventure_2_-_The_Truth_of_50_Years_Ago...
>>340060215
>4-0
OK I've got both fights in Adventure 2 and then I just go blank on wherever else they've gone head to head that wasn't Boom.
>>340060906
>Well yeah, but I feel like it was probably with Heroes that they cemented the less nuanced personalities, if that makes any sense
Heroes was when they officially dropped the adventure 1/2 voice cast and hired the 4kids VAs from Sonic X.
Also, when adventure 1 was originally made, all the characters had been given significant age bumps in mind but after SA2 they just decided to make him 15 again which still makes no sense because that would mean literally everything up to generations takes place in 1 year.
>>340061052
>>340060215
Does Sonic canonically win both shadow fights in SA2?
>>340061137
I always figured the age didn't really matter all that much, but then they go ahead and give ages to the characters a the times and they always manage to make them contradict
>>340044528
The Sonic Heroes one is probably the real one, in the cutscene before fighting Metal Madness, Omega's still holding the green emerald. He likely just had it from the start for whatever reason.
>>340058946
I think most people would agree Shadow was fine in SA2.
It's everything that came afterward.
>>340061261
which brings the question as to why did the player need to get the emeralds in the special stages if the main characters already had them in hand
>>340061245
This. None of the characters look or act their age.
Sega just says they're early teens because that's their audiance.
Time to put this to rest.
>>340061137
Sonic Heroes was actually the last game to use the Adventure VAs.
>>340043884
The chaos emeralds merely have the power to emit a set amount of energy for an infinite period of time.
This is fighter trope big foot. Big foot to headquarters, over. We've engaged the enemy and request back up!
What!? For just one hedgehog!?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0n2WPozTXgX
>>340055225
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1NJ7w2pZ7pl
>>340061052
>SA2 Fight 1
Draw. Sonic appears to outperform shadow but neither actually wins.
>SA2 Fight 2
The only logical conclusion is that Sonic wins since he gets to the eclipse cannon and stops it (although it's possible Shadow let's him win since he wants the cannon to be destroyed so that Biolizard will be released via failsafe when it's activated but can't fire). We don't see Shadow again until half way through the Last story arc.
>Sonic Battle
Sonic beats Shadow straight up.
>Sonic Heroes
There's no way to tell who wins. It's probably a draw.
So it's really 3 Sonic wins and one tie.
The Sonic fights in Ow the Edge are not canon since only the good path is referenced in the last storyline.
>>340064697
I remember you.
Did you find VA work yet?
>>340065285
I had two people working independently on their own games approach me but neither came through. Most indy devs don't actually finish anything they start.
So I basically shitpost on /v/ and Twitter with my voice.
>>340055073
But he dies in 06.
>>340065971
Are you illiterate?
>>340065957
Never give up anon.
More importantly, never stop shit posting
>>340064697
Fucking KEK
>>340066495
I won't, thank you father.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1c6IwJg5PS8
>>340043884
infinite power != infinite output.
They could have the output of your average AA battery(1.5v) but if you combine them you will be able to do stuff you cant with only one (10.5v)
>>340049272
He only uses it to stop the emeralds.
And he uses it.
>>340047014
To be fair I'm sure there are tons of stories with something similar to Laputa (and certainly innumerable ones with just plain ol' floating islands). Hell, to go with another vidya example Cave Story takes place on another floating island with a magical power source in its core
>>340067062
This is now my ringtone
>>340033997
He probably gained some affinity with Chaos Emeralds after all those times he went super.
>>340068395
Chaos abilities are just something anyone can seemingly do if they figure it out.
Robotnik has used Chaos Control.
Black Doom and his army use Chaos Control even without an emerald present (Shadow has, too).
Metal Sonic has used Chaos Control (though after absorbing Shadow's DNA, to be fair).
Barack Obama has used Chaos Control.
I even feel like I'm forgetting somebody.
>>340068803
Megaman
>>340068803
I can use Chaos Control.
>>340068803
When did Eggman use Chaos Control?
>>340069402
https://youtu.be/qt4bd1OaHTQ
>>340069556
Who made this?
>>340069545
Sonic advance 3, he used it to split the planet. It's the game Gemerl is from.
>>340068803
Silver used it in Sonic 06
>Plot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SONIC PLOT
Sorry anons. It ain't fucking happening. You will never be able to achieve the lore that isMARIO PARALLEL UNIVERSES.
>>340070178
Fucking tragic. You're a fellow Jojo shitposter, I expect a higher quality of shitposts than HALF A PRESS LOL
for the same reason Jotaro was able to move within the frozen time
>>340042526
>knuckles
hes some knock off hedgehog species
>tails
the literal bitch of the sonic universe
>metal sonic
he has no soul bro
>>340070874
thats because jotaro has the same type of stand
>>340069556
I wish the Chaos Emeralds were real.
>>340065180
>The only logical conclusion is that Sonic wins since he gets to the eclipse cannon and stops it (although it's possible Shadow let's him win since he wants the cannon to be destroyed so that Biolizard will be released via failsafe when it's activated but can't fire)
But that's not how it works. Gerald's plan goes off as soon as all seven emeralds are collected regardless of the cannon's condition and the Last story starts directly where the Dark story left off.
