Why were people so triggered by this again?
>>339989634
It's only half as good as 60fps
30 fps is ok
fps equal to monitor refresh rate is ideal
>>339989634
it's ableist
>>339989634
I tried playing Fallout 4 on my xbox the other day after playing Overwatch for the past week, and it was legitimately unplayable.
I have no idea why people got so angry over it.
It literally just includes any games that are 30fps and that's it.
I don't understand...
>>339989634
PCucks
>>339989634
Like SJWs they need to find something to complain about.
At least when NEO and Scorpio hit we won't have to keep up this meme about 30fps not being shit.
Who am I kidding, the games are going to be silky smooth 24fps on those too aren't they?
You mean the curator itself?
Because some games they liked were included and they thought that means the game is bad.
Funnily enough it includes Undertale which was tied with Overwatch for TB's GOTY 2015, so it was getting rustled over nothing. Not that someone disliking a game you like is worthy of getting bothered to begin with.
>>339989817
>>339989824
>>339989897
>>339990242
>>339990608
>>339990772
>misunderstanding OP this hard
He's talking about TB's gay little movement to have every game that is locked to 30 fps and why you are triggered by it
Fucking hell
And to answer you OP, I hate it because they're retarded enough to put the label on games that are literally animated at 30 fps like Heroes 3 and that south park game. It's nonsense, but they of course had to be unconditional
TB fanboys, not even once
>>339989634
Hell if I know, it was just a list of every game that didn't run at 60fps. I think a lot of the shitflinging was because total asscancer was involved.
>>339989634
Because the idea that consumers should have standards is preposterous according to those retards.
Ask a Blizzdrone about the presence of microtransactions in Overwatch, a buy-to-play game.
>>339990932
They are 30fps, so they got listed at 30fps.
What is the problem?
>>339989634
I finally got into PC gaming about a year ago, and started playing Dark Souls II right away.
I remember going to my friends house afterwards and watching him play the same on his PS3, and I literally thought something was wrong with the system.
There really is no going back from 60fps.
Because the human eye can only see up to 24FPS, so they were annoyed with the wasted 6FPS.
>>339991123
You remind me of one of those apple shills on /g/
>use windows for X years
>now got mac
>changed my life xPP
fuck off
>>339991156
But 24fps is also pretty wasteful.
The human nose can't smell past 17 fps.
>>339989634
They didn't like TotalBiscuit and were still incredibly butthurt about Gamergate, as well as the argument is oriented around the mechanical and interactive aspect of video games which they despise because they don't understand it with their shitty arts degrees.
The nebulous and conspiratorial "they" which has been more or less successfully run off.
>>339991073
You could just not buy the loot boxes
>>339990932
Looks like someone got trigged ;)
>>339989634
gen z millennials believe there is no difference.
>>339991304
farts per second?
>>339989634
PCucks need something to think that they're still the """"""master race"""""".
>>339989634
I don't understand why people hate 30fps, the human eyes cannot see more than 4 frames per second, or above 240p quality.
>>339989634
shit consoles
>>339989897
>Implying that Fallout 4 is playable
Here's why
Because its more like 20-24 FPS when you are actually playing the game under load and not just walking around.
>>339991750
so much this
>>339991738
kek I actually did stop playing about ten minutes in when I realized how much time you spend picking up miscellaneous shit like scissors and duct tape.
>>339991750
Nice edit.
>>339990608
Funny you mention that as sjw's stick to consoles.
>>339991750
>skip
>skip
>skip
>skip
Damn that looks terrible.
>>339991750
Fuck
Thanks for the nausea anon.
>>339989634
More frames = seeing more in a shorter amount of time = ability to react quicker = feels more responsive
>>339991846
Count the frames yourself
24 FPS is shit.
30 is still shit because it's more obvious when you control the camera
>>339990932
Once they start making exceptions who knows where that will lead. The point was that every game with sub 60 lock would be cataloged, period. Otherwise it was a pointless endeavor.
>>339991074
some games are designed to run at 30fps while others run at 30 because of incompetence anon.
>>339991978
It's tolerable, and there are some great games that run in 30FPS, but 60 is definitely preferable.
>>339990932
>put the label on games that are literally animated at 30 fps
Yes, the lable that they are animated at 30 fps.
If that bothers you, the problem is your mental issue.
I don't remember anything negative about the posts made by these people.
They just state if its 30 fps or not. I follow them because they usually put unlocks if there are them.
>>339992082
Like Civilization is fine at 30 FPS.
But anything with a fluid camera or something that requires timing, then the bare minimum is, for me 45.
>>339992096
>defending curators
Shut up, TB cocksucker
>>339989897
thats not even 30
that averages about 24
>>339992173
Why don't more developers compromise at 45? Why is it always 30 or 60?
>>339991074
There wouldnt be any issue if devs would admit that they dont have the time nor resources to rework the game systems to accept arbitrary values. Problem is that when games are built for a specific frame target, it can be difficult to go back and update anything that might be hardcoded.
Older console ports are understandable, let durante and people like that asm hack shit till it works.
But if you're using a fucking modern engine, where most of this shit is allready written for you, there is zero excuse to not have time-delta. Fighting games get an exception because their netcode is often reliant on consistant frames for prediction.
>>339992235
60 is the refresh rate of most monitors
30 is half that
>>339992003
And? If it is at 30fps it should be on a list of things that are at 30fps, no?
>>339992173
To me thirty is the bare minimum, but that's just a matter of what you're willing to tolerate.
I definitely agree that it depends on genre, like if you're playing a fast-paced shooter, you obviously want to play that at sixty frames, whereas, like you mentioned, simulation games are fine at thirty.
>>339992235
Refresh rates of screens are usually divisible by 30.
60 hz used to be the old standard but things are better better.
If you have an FPS doesn't divide well into the refresh rate of the monitor then you can get some tearing
>>339989634
There's nothing wrong with a perfectly fine cinematic experience at 30FPS.
>>339989634
The game journoshits didn't like the youtuber guy who made it because his videos pretty much steal traffic from their site.
People can tolerate visiting third world countries, that doesn't mean that third world countries should be the norm
I think It's mostly weebs triggered by it.
Japs are too lazy to make their games 30fps. A lot of the remakes and re-releases of jap games on PC are poor quality, but weebs still buy and defend them.
>>339991750
nice motion blur
>d-defending sub 30 fps
I don't play anything at below 144 fps
>>339992354
Anything where input is involved should be polling as fast as possible. Even Ocarina polled inputs at 60hz, and rendered at 20.
IMO EVERY single game should have hardware cursor like Witcher 3 does. That captured, frame limited cursor in bethesda games feels like dogshit
>>339990932
>30fps=TB
E-celeb cancer, not even once
>>339992651
Like obviously sixty is preferable no matter the genre, just that it's much more tolerable in certain genres than it is in others.
>>339990932
>y-you guys get triggered all the time
>but not me as I am writing this edgy faglord rant
>>339992462
I'm fascinated people actually buy $60 products because of some commercials or a billboard.
I meticulously research any purchase above $20. Don't understand how others don't.
>>339991750
Ugh I feel sick.
This is why shitty framerates for VR are going to be a big nono.
>>339992570
>>339991750
Thats 24 fps plus 3:2 pulldown if your display is 60hz (not a multiple of 24)
I have mpv's interpolation/ Madvr's smoothmotion on even though my monitor is 144 hz, just because frame blending helps smooth out both issues.
Vector based interp like svp can go suck a dick though
>>339993164
>watch this on a 30hz macfag display
>60fps is smoother than 30
yeah no nice try
>>339991074
It is a negative mark for the game that is unjustified.
>>339993164
>>339993273
>realise it's a gif
whew I fell for the bait
>>339993273
>>339993365Thanks for that (You)
>>339993321
No it isn't, it's simply listing the truth. That it is 30fps.
If it is seen negatively it isn't the lists fault.
If those games appeared in a list on wikipedia for 30fps games would you refute it being on the list?
>>339993573
Was someone else playing the game for him or something?
>>339992462
>Retail Piece of Shit
Even Sony knew
>>339992931
except the problem with the Hobbit movie was that the cgi and camerawork was garbage, not the fps
>>339993573
lol whose this faggot?
>>339993573
someone give him a 24 fps VR headset
Because they're console fanboys jealous that PCs are insanely superior and mad that someone is calling out companies making inferior PC ports of shit console games.
My problem isn't 30fps, it's when it dips below that. Consistency is key
>>339989634
People are being retards about it.
You don't need 60fps for a RTS
Some games are playable at 20fps like the Total War games when you run custom battles. It all depends on the amount of movement of the viewport. Lots of movement means you need good reaction times so 60fps is a lot better. In a 3rd person game the movement of the viewport is far less than an FPS. An FPS almost needs 60fps for precision and 30fps is only really acceptable if the game is slower.
20-30fps is fine for 3D action adventure games
Because it's regression and people make excuses for something being objectively shit.
>complaining about fps
>using an LCD monitor with inherent lag
I used to play Quake 3 with 120 fps on a CRT monitor. It was fun, but I wouldn't want that for EVERY OTHER GAME I WAS PLAYING AT THE TIME.
>>339994741
>fps=input lag
what was the number, i cant remember, but its basically, 60 fps means your reaction time to any event on screen is about 7% faster then a person with 30 fps.
so that. if you both walk around the corner, and your reaction time is 13 milliseconds faster then your opponent, you still lost by 2-3 milliseconds, despite both you walking into view exactly the same time.
if you dont notice a whole 15 millisecond difference, and this is assuming your reaction time is plebian as fuck, at 200 miliseconds ( the faster your reaction time, the larger percentage the frame difference makes )...
then
your just not
that
good
>>339994321
>20-30fps is fine for 3D action adventure games
If you have the standards of an african child playing with literal shit.
>>339989634
>were
I still won't play games in 30fps, console migrant.
Go back to your home.
>>339995309
Less frames can cause delayed inputs or straight up refusing to recognize an input because of the display of frames not being able to keep up with the inputs.
>>339993573
What an insufferable piece of shit that guy is.
>>339992462
Then how come the uncharted collection runs at 60?
>>339996151
>it runs at 60 fps
>>339996572
It does tho.
>>339996935
so does my gif
Can't say I care if they slap labels on things saying if it's 30 fps or not. More info is never a bad thing.
However, getting butthurt about a game for only that reason is asinine. I mean if it's not stable and 14 fps and a pvp game than sure, but I'm more concerned if the fucking game is good or not first. People freaking out about tales games and indie games being 30 just baffle me.
I'll never understand why, as technology gets better, players standards goes down.
It's sad because back in the PS2 gen we had 60fps on a lot of games. Two generations later it's somehow ok for graphics to look and move like shit from 10+ years ago still.
I don't give a shit about the framerate as long it's stable. Games with the FPS going all over the place (even on decent rigs) fuck the entire experience to me.
>>339996815
If any game blows the fuck out of the cinematic fps meme it's TLOU remaster.
Has an option to cap it to 30 in the menu that you can flick on and off with ease to see just how fucking shitty it is at 30.
It's like the game is actively trying to get you to stop playing it at 30.
>>339989634
People who can't fathom other people having differing opinions and values gets triggered that people dislike something they don't really mind. they feel insulted because the notion of needing a tag or warning makes it seem like they're plebs for not caring.
These people are not to be cared about, they are weak nothings who need to increase their dose of pic related.
>>339997092
Games journalism changed, for example see >>339996815
>>339997190
PC gives you stable frame rate because of frame lock. Watch every digital foundry video and fps on console goes up and down.
>>339997092
Roller Coaster Tycoon could hit single digits on my rig back in the day, and I still loved the shit out of that game.
Fun > Arbitrary framerate limit.
I'll admit higher is def better, but I'm not going to become a holier-than-thou asshole about it.
so can we talk about how joel decided to condemn literally humanity to death so he could play daddy to a girl for a few years, maybe a couple decades?
>b-b-but it would of been haaaaard
>b-b-but it would of been unlikely
yeah, right, its not like its saving, you know, the entire fucking earth or anything. eh, too much effort, whateverrrrr.
joel, given the information he knew, thought that she was the best chance the institute had of solving this, and he chose NOT to.
>b-b-but the fireflies would of kept it for themselves
hold the fuck up. you murder like 500 people over the course of the game, and THEN you murder the fireflies YOURSELF when you decide NOT to save the world, and THATS your biggest concern? "well, fug, i cant shoot THESE guys as well?"
joel was a bastard. any character building they did disappeared at that one little scene. why.
>>339997014
https://youtube.com/watch?v=O_S7Kk3rYzE
Wonder when will you play the 'only pretending' card
>>339997427
thats because rollercoaster dosent have any time dependent actions or gameplay? golly why does low frame rates seem to not matter in a game where you PAUSE TIME if you feel like it to build?
>>339997593
What if the game gave you a choice at the end? I know that it's stupid hindsight thing, but come on now.
>>339997427
Video games are a luxury, they're $60 a pop on $300-400 machines, more if you're on PC.
Consumers shouldn't have to "deal with it" when their games are running at bottom of the barrel framerates.
>>339997627
>Frame-Rate Test [Work In Progress]
kek
i mean, ignoring the fact you can LITERALLY see the frame rate judder. but lel.
>>339997593
It was the fireflies fault, they were completely fucking retarded about it and those dumb fucks couldn't be trusted tying their own shoe laces let alone with trying to save humanity.
>>339997759
why not? hell, theres an audio log you can find that actually implies there were 12 other subjects, and so, shes not the only one. if joel really wanted to be a cranky bastard, and keep HIS waifu, but go find another person who would be okay with, oh, you know, saving the entire world with their life, he could....IF you didnt shoot the scientists on the way out ( like, a double fuck you )
but since we knowthere is no cure, word of dev says so, that would just end the game with only joel and no cute girl to hamfist into dlc and sell because of lesbian kisses. god forbid they have the balls to end that particular story on a bad end, right?
>>339989634
lmao. you plebs still arguing about 30 vs 60 fps?
>not using strobed lighting
>>339998132
kek, here we go.
>b-b-but it was reaaaallly unlikely!
>so fuck the lives of literally EVERYONE
oh, so, where was the better option. who was MORE likely to solve this? i mean, if, options to where you can save the fucking world are so abundent, why isnt joel, you know, moseying over there, saving the world...
>>339997874
So you aren't even pretending. K
>>339998351
>literally a pre release test
>its totally gonna be 60 fps in the game
wew. if being right is retarded, i dont wanna be
uh...unretarded?
>>339998136
>god forbid they have the balls to end that particular story on a bad end, right?
Well, technically humanity could survive by living in their colonies and shooting all infected and playing it safe.
However, we also know that would NEVER happen because Fireflies absolutely LOVE to bomb hospitals and safe areas, because "Muh freedom"
>>339998472
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sRO0CZJLfIE
The regular retard fits you better.
>>339998481
>that would NEVER happen
yeah, joel couldnt do anything about that, he isnt some sorta, one man army, its impossib-wait, a second, didnt we cover this already
>>339998273
>have only thing that can save the world
>hello i am dumbfuck let me have your thing that can save the world and do ?????? to it trust me it'll work :^) we have no proof or evidence that we have any clue what we're doing but trust us and send your bank details and sort code to us ;^)
Even then they didn't even proposition it really to Joel, just was like "hey this is happening and there's nothing you can do about it" after he woke up after they KNOCKED HIS ASS OUT WHILE HE WAS TRYING TO SAVE ELLIE'S LIFE
The fireflies were fucking morons and if they weren't unbelievably braindead retarded i'd actually give a shit about what Joel did but they were so I don't.
They were doomed to fail because the story made them braindead idiots.
>>339989634
>dev thinks 30fps is best for cinematic experience
>their game is actually mostly 24fps
>>339998771
sorry im so fucking retarded i read the first line of the description
>Yes, we've been hands-on with the Nathan Drake Collection ahead of release
>pre-release version
>a pre-release version for reviewers
>>339993321
This, I'm sick of all this fucking PC mustard race wrongthink. It may be true that a game runs at 30 FPS, but you shouldn't be allowed to talk about it.
>>339989634
Incompetent indie devs and PS4 owners who thought they were gonna get 60fps games before the console came out.
>>339998936
no, they were doomed to fail because the devs decided there was no cure. SURPRISE, we are talking about the moral choices joel makes here, and since joel can only know what is...in the game, he would of found the log of the previous 12 subjects, and hear, in what he believes is a candid recording how they thought they were making serious progress and just need a lllllitttttlllle bit more. like: ellie.
as for the rest of your argument there: "oh man, theres no way joel could of delt with the fireflies power hungry desires"...right after, you know, he does that and escapes the facility single handed wasting the scientists himself. your argument is literally "but its reeeaaallllly unlikely that he could SAVE FUCKING EVERYTHING".
>>339989634
GEEE
I DON'T KNOW MAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whuh5C-2xqg
>>339999057
Ok, no need to try anymore I actually believe now you are retarded.
>>339993573
Jesus Christ. Where do people get this shit from?
>>339998936
Bottom line is the fireflies are fucking retarded and the story literally doesn't matter at that point when an incredibly simple scenario becomes a convoluted one through pure retardation.
>>339992003
>some games are designed to run at 30fps
NO GAMES SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO RUN AT A FRAMERATE THAT LEGITIMATELY PUTS A STRAIN ON YOUR FUCKING EYES
DID YOU TRY TO PLAY FINAL FANTASY 7 ON A PSX RECENTLY? TRY IT WITHOUT BLUR I FUCKING CHALLENGE YOU SON, TRY IT WITHOUT HAVING YOUR EYES EXPLODE
>>339999403
im just picturing this in other games for comparison
>sniper elite, hitler assasination dlc
>get right up to assinating hitler and then
>"oh man, why am i doing this. its really unlikely ill succeed at killing hitler, and, man, the worlds already ruined and even with hitler dead theres the ss and all those other guys"
>he turns around and leaves
or like, megaman
>just about to beat the last robot master and go confront willy
>oh man but theres a good chance ill die and lose, and hell, for all we know willy will come back in 18 other installments
>megaman turns around and leaves
or fuckin, halo or something
>chief, driving away across platforms exploding and the entire rings like gonna blow up
>man thats hard, and unlikely, guess ill just stay here and iunno, eat some of these rations because gosh
>>339999117
>this sausage was produced with human remains but you shouldn't be allowed to talk about!
>>339999802
Do any of those games have the shitty writing that TLOU does at the end?
Because people are so fanatically defensive about their favourite games that labeling something as 30 FPS is automatically an attack.
>>339989634
Faggot.
>>339999534
wow, you failed to provide any actual post release evidence of the game running in 60 fps? you got out debated by me, a retard?
the fucking THIRD youtube video is post release and ingame. the FUCKING THIIRRRDDDAJSDASDKASJDLAS
ALL YOU HAD TO DO
WAS SCROLL DOWN
A TINY BIT MORE
AND IM *THE RETARD*
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>340000062
...Hello?
>>339993573
>the industry doesn't even try to enforce shitty framerates and yet everyone laps it up and defends it
crash when
>>340000253
ah, no worries mate. it was fun.
60fps looks like garbage ever since I got a high refresh rate monitor.
>>340000393
Really 60fps should be on the way out for 120fps, yet consoles are keeping things back at 24fps.
>>340000393
How's 144hz? I'm looking into getting a monitor capable with the PC I'm building but does it not cause screen tearing with games that don't have settings to lock to 144fps?
>>339993573
2D Hobbit at 48fps was the best thing I've ever seen in the theater
I have no doubt Cameron will have a HFR version of Avatar 2 also.
>>340000798
Screen tearing is significantly harder to notice at 144hz. Gsync seems kind of nice but I'm still experimenting if it's worth using or not. Mostly it seems good for games where the framerate jumps around a lot
I get nauseous playing Dying Light. Can play 30 mins tops
I've been playing Overwatch at 30fpson PC
>>340001427
The problem with Dying Light is the FOV and all the motion blur and other shitty effects
