So what was better? Tales of Xilla 2 or Tales of Symphonia?
Symphonia by virtue of not having pure shit level design and excessive padding
>>339978502
Symphonia had more than its fair share of shit dungeon design nigga? Temple of lightning and temple of earth ringing a bell???
Tales died after Graces f in terms of content, gameplay, and dungeons
>>339978696
I'm talking about literally every area between towns in the Xillia games being copypastes of the same shipport and valley throughout the whole game
>>339978917
literally butthurt about lack of an overword
Symphonia is a better story and world. Xillia/2 is more fun to play.
>>339978164
>A shitty, half-assed "almost everything is reused assets" sequel being better than Symphonia
>>339978934
didn't mean much when there was a great combat every 2 steps nigga
>>339979034
the story was better than xillia 1 tho?
>>339979028
>Symphonia is a better story and world. Xillia/2 is more fun to play.
So i take it Xillia 2 is the better game and Symphonia is just a good anime?
>>339979343
Symphonia is also fun to play, I just like Xillia's combat system more.
I thought xillia 1 was better than 2.
>>339978696
>talks about shit dungeons in Symphonia
>doesn't mention Ymir Forest, Lantheon Gorge or Shadow Temple
Nigga
>>339979107
The are a lot of Tales games with great combat that isn't awful for everything else in-between. I'm sick of X2 getting a fucking pass just because it's MC is broken as hell.
>what was better
>anyone who doesn't say X2 has the OP lash out crying about it being good
what a silly thread
>>339979515
I agree m8 those were but 2 examples
>>339978164
>decide to pick up Xillia 2 again
>start having fun
>then I'm forced to make a debt payment to advance the plot
>>339979016
>it's okay to not have a world to explore
>it's okay to have less sidequests
>it's okay to have less unlockable titles, artes, and costumes because they're fine as DLC
>it's okay to have exclusive pre-order artes and costumes
>it's okay to not have a postgame dungeon
>it's okay to have a godawful camera
>it's okay to remove aerial combat to focus more on holding guard
>>339979575
NG+ Ludger is much better brah. At any rate X2 had a better sidequest game than any other.
Blah blah Vesperia blah.
>>339978164
Graces F
Tales have garbage shounen plotlines and no one but autistic nostagliafags play it for the story.
Xillia 2 is worth it for it's battle system.
>>339979918
>X2 had a better sidequest game than any other
>less than Abyss, Vesperia, and Zestiria
>Legendia of all things handled character episodes better
>>339979515
>ymir forest
PTSD intensifies.
at least the music is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koYTdyNjLuQ
>>339979825
>Not staying 5 steps ahead of it with NG+
why?
>>339978164
The lack of sidequests, that horrid extra dungeon grinding, and debt system held Tales of Xillia 2 back. However, the entire Tales series is dreadfully boring, so anything resembling a decent game excels.
>>339980079
>Xillia 2 is worth it for it's battle system.
>>339979575
>>339979918
>>339980193
>it's good when you play it again
So it's normally shit? That's a problem since most Tales are fun the first time through.
>>339980193
You still have to play the game once to do NG+
>>339980193
You have to play the game once to do NG+, smart guy.
>>339979886
>less sidequests
ToX2 had more sidequests than ANY other tales game
I'm playing Xillia 1 and I just beat Jiao the Dynasty Warriors cameo in the forest, and met resident Oji-san. When can I expect the game to turn into the shitheap everyone tells me it is?
>>339980427
>>339980361
But its worth it though. The first time you just play on normal and do all the character quests and get the story
>>339980438
It doesn't even have as many as Vesperia PS3 did.
Symphonia is better than x2
Now if Xillia 1 and 2 was one game and the bad ending of Xillia 2 was the real ending then it would beat Symphonia.
>>339980583
Why wouldn't just play a Tales that's already fun on the first playthrough instead?
>>339980583
If he's turned off by the first play through, why would he bother playing it again?
>>339980560
When you hear milla speak. Also when she breaks a leg.
>>339980760
But Milla speaking gives me the weirdest boner Anon.
>>339980560
It doesn't until the last boss shows up and leaves you shaking your head
>>339980619
>implying any of us mortals plays Vesperia PS3
>>339980193
>NG+ makes something less bad
>said bad thing is actually plot relevant
you do realize that makes it more likely that first-timers won't enjoy their first run
>>339979343
>Symphonia is a better story and world.
no. the story and world in xillia 2 was miles better. the biggest complain with xillia is that 1 was rushed gameplay that lead to no endgame content and you're swapped with a new protag in 2.
>>339980560
When Jude lusts for Milla and fails terribly
>>339980650
>>339980712
>>339980868
The story is good you shitlords
>>339980959
>If he's turned off by the first play through, why would he bother playing it again?
I'll repeat it in case your horrendously biased ass didn't read properly.
>>339980959
Only if you go with the bad ending.
>>339980819
Oh I didn't know you had a thing for women talking with a retainer in and a box over their head. My mistake good sir.
>>339980959
Yeah if you have a fetish for watching anime dudes get tortured
>>339981065
It is good. Half your first playthrough you're wondering what's going on but on your second you get it
>>339981086
>>339981165
I fucking cried man
>>339981131
It's okay Anon, I forgive you.
>>339980251
There really isn't any other tales games on par with combat besides Graces and maybe vesperia
>>339981131
nothing wrong with the voice. it gives her some character... which is hot.
>people still complaining about the debt non-issue
>>339980760
I wanna fuck millia
If you play tales games for story you should kill yourselves.
Even the nips only post combo vids.
>>339981309
what is literally every Team Destiny game ever
>>339981309
>vesperia
>good combat
>blah blah blah tidal wave
>mission 17
>>339980959
>implying a good story magically makes the worst parts of a game disappear
That's like saying Symphonia's characters were so good, Ymir Forest doesn't happen or Innocence's intro was so good, the dungeons aren't empty hallways.
Besides, story is the weakest part of every Tales.
>>339981475
Can you do this in Xillia 2?
>>339981346
>it's a non-issue for everyone if I personally dismiss it
That's not how it works.
>>339981538
the story is the best though. Good stories make a a good tales game and bad stories make a shit tales game
>>339981676
>tfw you'll never be good enough to do sick combos
>>339980712
>If he's turned off by the first play through, why would he bother playing it again?
That's a question I ask Graces fans every time
>>339981775
>Good stories make a a good tales game
Phantasia and Symphonia have some of the most cliche stories and unoriginal characters in the series and they're good.
Xillia 2 clearly has better combat, but Symphonia is better in every other category.
also like Xillia 1, 4 player co-op is fucking impossible, so Symphonia wins by default.
>>339981676
perform high combos? nigga pls. just youtube xillia 2 combos. exists in every tales
>>339981131
That's not HER fault though, the recording fucked up.
>>339981958
You best be trying to trick me nigga. Who the fuck would let that shit happen and not go back and re-record it? I know this shit was rushed for some anniversary or something but how the hell would that stop the English release?
>>339978917
Tales of Graces had shit gameplay and I don't even think the dungeons had puzzles, just elevators and keys.
inb4 B-BUT DA COMBOS
less freedom than Vesperia's combo system, the retarded bullshit of having to wait for your meter to come back, bosses have stats that scale far out of fucking control, and every boss is pretty much extremely unfair bullshit.
>>339981881
I want to play game and not enjoy something that might as well be watched and enjoyed in anime form since the combat is shit in the game.
>>339981775
>Good stories make a a good tales game and bad stories make a shit tales game
>misunderstandings, racism, and ancient technology
>kyaa pervert, I'm the traitor, the clumsy one, the genki girl, idealistic retard, old person, the tits
Good character interactions, exploration, and gameplay make a good Tales game. The stories never go past mediocre and if you think they're great, you probably think Neptunia is god tier writing.
>>339978696
I liked the Temple of Earth.
The Temple of Lightning is the second worst part of the game though. The worst was the one Human Ranch that had the insanely slow elevators.
>>339982062
They have outright said that's what happened. The audio compression fucked up.
>Who the fuck would let that shit happen and not go back and re-record it?
Because in localization (unlike in Japanese since voice recording is generally one of the first things you do after the script is writen since you still have to make the game) voice recording for the dub is generally the last thing you do. They probably didn't notice until it was too late.
>>339981876
>Symphonia has shit you genuinely don't see coming
>>339982125
>I want to play game and not enjoy something that might as well be watched and enjoyed in anime form
Xillia was so shit it didn't even get an adaption lol
>>339979343
keep in mind Symphonia supports 4 players and Xillia 2 only has 2.
>>339982265
Don't tell me you were blown away by the predictable "revelation" of Kratos as Lloyd's father or worse, Mithos being Yggdrasil. The former is practically spelled out for you by the time you get to Kvar and the latter is silly.
>>339981757
>people still see spending 10 minutes having a fun Giganto fight as ''LITERALLY RUINS THE GAME HORRIBLE PACING WORST TALES OF ALL TIME''
Jesus christ, not that I think it's a good feature, but goddamn is the problem way exaggerated.
>>339981775
it has nothing to do with story. NONE. no one cares about muh race equality theme shit that every Tales spits out.
it is all about the character interactions. EVERYTHING.
>>339982265
I replayed it on ps3, I can't remember any twist coming up that isn't sufficiently forshadowed. Even Raine's fear of water ties into her being from Tethe'alla.
>>339982125
Symphonia's combat isn't shit. It was far above any other JRPG on the market when it was released and it's still fine combat. Of course they advanced the combat system in the entire decade since it came out.
It's not as if Symphonia's combat is that much shittier than the newer games anyways. It's not an autistic combofest but the bosses in Symphonia are better designed than pretty much any of the bosses in the free run games.
>>339982591
>Symphonia's combat isn't shit. It was far above any other JRPG on the market when it was released
Not him but Eternia's was better. Not that I dislike Symphonia's, but I'm just saying.
>>339982186
The Palmacosta human ranch was by far the most difficult
>>339982181
No, but Tos, TotA, and ToV do
>>339979510
Same. Not a huge fan of the changes in 2 and I fucking hated the little girl in 2. Really spoiled it for me.
>>339982702
I've played Eternia and it was pretty much exactly just Symphonia's gameplay but with sprites.
And Eternia didn't support 4 player co-op.
>>339981775
Stories are the lowest part of all Tales game
Unless you're Graces
That had shit story and shit dialogue
>>339982803
>And Eternia didn't support 4 player co-op.
Ah but it does, it's just a bitch to do because you need 2 multitaps.
>have the ability to switch party members mid battle
>remove it in the sequel
>and also remove the ability to edit your party formation outside of towns, and the force player to have the MC included at all times
why?
Just got the best costume yesterday
>>339980848
>claiming something has the best anything when you haven't even played all the games in the series
quit being a filthy /v/ parrot
>>339982803
>And Eternia didn't support 4 player co-op
You needed one of these for games like that and CTR.
>>339981676
Milla has a lot of skills dedicated to air combat.
>>339980848
>implying any of us mortals plays Vesperia PS3
Even if you didn't import and play in Japanese like I and others did, it's had an english patch for over a year. You have no excuse.
>>339982404
mithos being yggdrasil was obviously predictable, but nothing else was
>>339982476
>replayed
well obviously
>>339982828
Graces was disappointing but while one was first playing it, they couldn't not be confused and intrigued by fodra
>>339983031
I have though. Even DoTNW and tempest
>>339982591
Stop being a nostalgia fag and realise the combat system sucks today and is far from being any where near the other tales games.
>>339981775
>Good stories make a a good tales game and bad stories make a shit tales game
No this is how you spot a newfag who don't know shit about tales, the series is solely know for its combat just like how something like persona is played for its dating sim shit.
>>339983246
>well obviously
I hadnt played it since the GC era. There were parts where I literally had to look up where to go next, so it's not like it was all fresh in my mind.
>>339982934
>>339983176
Alright I take back that complaint, it has better 4 player co-op than Xillia 1 and 2.
>>339983246
>confused and intrigued by fodra
Were you twelve years old/never fapped when you first played it?
>>339983278
>just like how something like persona is played for its dating sim shit.
But persona 1 and 2 have none of that.
>>339982828
F arc made it worth due to the skits and the subtle implication that Lamda will one day make Fodra his waifu
>>339983246
>confused and intrigued by fodra
>ELIMINATE HUMANITY
She was Lambda with more blatant bias against humanity and tits.
>lel teh tits make it awesome
Shut up, dude.
>>339983396
>and the subtle implication that Lamda will one day make Fodra his waifu
Good.
>>339983246
>but nothing else was
Literally the only thing that had nothing forshadowing it was that there was a second world.
Which you should have known anyway because Sylvarant and Tethe'alla are the 2 moons in Phantasia.
>>339983332
man nobody would've known what to expect. I was hoping it had 30 environments rather than 5 and I had no reason not to think so
>>339983246
>I have though
>implied he didn't play PS3 Vesperia
>>339983597
Oh, he's going to wreck the shit out of that
>>339983385
Yeah and there's a reason why those weren't popular and sold like shit while P3 and P4 are the the most known ones.
>>339983858
>weren't popular
>P2
Tatsuya is still a popular character in Japan.
>>339983549
The planet, not the queen.
>>339983657
>I thought the barren wasteland would have 30 environments
>>339981676
Yes, it's why the game is called Ludger May Cry.
The perfect game would be Rebirth's battle system and artstyle with Legendia's music and Destiny 2's story.
>people on this thread claiming that xillia 2 was better than symphonia
it makes me want to vomit
>>339984204
Sure. Why not?
>Legendia's music
Although Go Shiina can never compose for a Tales that isn't mixed/hated
>>339983246
>Chosens die after the journey or on the way
>Kratos keeps badgering Lloyd about his mom and the exsphere
>Sheena comes from a foreign location, revealed by both Raine and scenes before you recruit Sheena like when she's praying at the House of Salvation
>Raine recognizing Sheena's clothes proves she knows about the other place
>Genis and Raine are obviously bothered when Lloyd shit-talks half-elves
>Regal acting uncomfortable around Presea at all times
>everyone who isn't a girl treats Zelos like shit
>human ranches being so common
>Kilia even having a unique dialogue box like other plot relevant NPCs
>the Renegades confused and laughing at Lloyd when he calls them Desians
All I can think of is Tethe'alla being an actual second world and not another continent.
>>339984643
I agree. There was fucking ZERO expectations for ToS having another world where every other game wasn't nearly as mysterious.
Phantasia GBA had the best dub of the series hands down.
>>339985125
I DWELL AMIDST THE ABOUNDING LIGHT OF HEAVEN
>>339985125
Phantasia GBA is the only game to actually hurt my sides.
>WHAT THE HECK IS THAAAT?
>Kangaroo
>>339980164
the music itself became part of the PTSD after 20 minutes
>>339985298
OMEGA TEMPEST
INSPIRATION. (spoken as dead as dead gets)
>>339985204
THOU ARE AT THE GATE TO THE UNDERWORLD
>>339980438
copypaste sidequest that is all about getting money for your debts.
>>339983278
>Stop being a nostalgia fag and realise the combat system sucks today
But it doesn't, other than not being a buttonmash combo fest and not having bosses with mid combo super armor, its still pretty good
>>339980848
i played the demo.
Who else here played Tempest from start to finish? That is true PTSD.
>>339978164
both sucked balls.
was mithos a SJW?
>wanted to crate one race to kill rasism
>always blamed everytrhing on one race (humans)
>wanted to incest his sister
>>339985652
I tried.
Tried being the keyword.
Xillia and Xillia 2 have pic related and are therefore perfect.
>>339985908
Jude's not going to hit that is he?
>>339985652
Innocence DS and Tempest nearly bored me to death
>>339986001
They made it super obvious that he is going to.
>>339986001
Maybe onenever
>>339986124
At least Innocence R is better
>>339978164
Abyss
>>339985798
He was /pol/.
anybody else feel that zesteria was absolute shit?
I mean I have never wasted 60 bucks so damn quickly, plus it came out like two weeks befoe fallout
>>339987118
it's the most hated tales since Tempest
>>339987118
its fucking shit. cant belive its getting an anime series.
>>339987118
It's shit.
Mustards on /v/ or people who played it before any other will tell you it's a great game and dismiss any criticism as "alisha fags" despite her not even being the biggest problem.
>>339986001
Muzet got his direct tether first.
>>339987118
Seriously, I was expecting at least something along the lines of xillia which wasn't perfect but had great combat.
I thought that the tales team learned what not to do after ToS2, another game i wasted cash on, but at least it had Original symphonia remastered.
>>339987523
I want Milla's tit er directly on my face.
>>339986001
>never got with millia
>instead tethered with muzet
the players got cucked
>>339987809
Alright.
I want to cum in Lloyd and Genius
>>339978164
The original Tales of Xillia was better than both.
Tales was never better than a 7/10 JRPG series
>>339987349
maybe Zesty could benefit from having the shitty gameplay taken away
>>339987383
It's the fucking camera, it's the huge ass world with NOTHING in it, it's the stupid lord of the land/fast travel/upgrade shit, it's having to talk to that bitch to find out what the hell is going on, and finally I could care less about alisha, i play as the other chick anyways because she is the only tolerable fighter.
I could go on and on.
>>339988067
Unless they do a massive overhaul of the story, not really.
>>339988823
I'm gonna laugh so hard if Alisha is rewritten to stay in the party
Graces F>>>>Vesperia PS3>>>>The Rest
>>339989117
Vesperia PS3 > all in terms of content
Graces F will still have the best combat in 3D Tales though
>>339990173
I wonder if they will ever remaster Vesperia.
>>339981676
nope Xillia 2 lacks Vesperia's physics and impressive combos because the chaining system is nonrestrictive and lacks depth.
>>339987523
>Muzet will never sit on your face as punishment for being a bad boy
Feels bad man.
>>339991053
Wait, what is this?
>>339991845
Tales of Link i think
>>339991053
Would it be mellow Muzet or psycho Muzet doing the punishing?
>>339978164
Xilla 2 has the best combat in the series, I feel Symphonia has a better setting and story, I also feel like Symphnia only has good and bad characters in terms of personality, where everyone in XIlla is boring. I like both equally though.
>>339978917
Graces has less content then Vesparia, Vesparia on the PS3 has the most content of any Tales game.
>>339980848
But Anon i'm playing it right now
>>339981785
Honestly you just need to practice, especially with Vesparia and just tool around to see what works with what, when you get it down though its fun.
>>339992329
Either, though psycho Muzet would probably just crush you into a quantum singularity instead.
>>339993267
Sounds fun.
>>339985798
/pol/ incarnate.
>>339993267
An orgasm focused on a quantum singularity? However you spin it, it sounds fucking awesome. Sign me up.
>>339991053
>No Muzet doujins
It was a sad day when I tried to search up the tags and found that tales was truly a yaoi series
>>339994836
It was always that anon. Girls hardly get any love in Tales doijins.
>>339994919
BUT IT'S NOT FAIR!!
>>339994919
>Girls hardly get any love in Tales doijins.
there is very few good ones and most are not translated
>>339994919
>no doujins of Annie getting rammed by gajuma cocks
>>339994836
I remember seeing a sample of one on Pixiv where Muzet ties Ludger to a chair and then rapes him, but I've never seen it anywhere and now I can't find it on Pixiv. It was called Fairy Dance or something.
>>339978164
Haven't had fun with tales since vesperia and graces in recent years and eternia/phantasia in the ole days.
Something is really missing in modern tales.
>>339990426
stop shitposting and literally google shit
ludger can infinite combo
