Flying Wild Hog, developers of Shadow Warrior released a "Redux" version of Hard Reset that is in fact a downgrade to the previous version.
They downgraded the game to release it on consoles and are now attempting a cash grab on PC claiming its a "Redux" when all they've done is added some unbalanced mechanics, unnecessary animations and severely downgraded graphics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOHNo2sa9-Y
Fuck, I had a lot of respect for Flying Wild Hog as well.
>>339940180
>they changed the ads on the billboards
FUCK that, this company can eat a bag of dicks, absolutely unacceptable
>>339940180
Glad I pirated this and Shadow Warrior. Definitely not buying SW2, even if it uses Denuvo.
>those minor changes
I've seen worse downgrades, this one isn't a problem
i bought it
runs and plays so much better those changes are negligible
>>339940752
>minor changes
Maybe you are used to console releases.
>>339940180
Looks exactly the same, right has a little less contrast.
>>339940880
This is a downgrade.
hard reset ha very little changes that doesn't bother anyone
>>339940180
NO ONE CARES
Way more imporantly: isn't the game much easier with the blade they added?
>>339941127
Right is incredibly more detailed than left though?
>>339940180
Why you such a bitch, OP?
>>339940180
>They downgraded the game to release it on consoles and are now attempting a cash grab on PC claiming its a "Redux" when all they've done is added some unbalanced mechanics, unnecessary animations and severely downgraded graphics.
i've heard nothing but good things about the actual gameplay changes, it's the visuals that have turned in to shit. however it does seem like you 2x better fps now.
More importantly, they didn't add any content. Hard Reset problem was that it was short as fuck, there is no reason to pay for the same 4 hour campaign again.
>>339941279
Left is the UE4 remake, right is the original
>>339941279
the right is the original
i am not fucking kidding
>>339941279
Exactly, right is the original.
>>339941127
This.
Saw the video, really didnt notice them until they fucking circle it.
Is this the power of the PC?
>>339940180
>STILL
>NO
>FUCKING
>MULTIPLAYER
I don't give a SHIT, if you're gonna make "muh oldschool FPS" and not have multiplayer you can FUCK RIGHT OFF.
>>339941342
What gameplay changes?
>>339941279
The right is the original
>>339940180
W H Y
H
Y
That's a shame, I really enjoyed HR, SW not so much though
>>339941279
Exactly
>>339940180
Well, they did dumbed down ambient occlusion and light effects, no doubts, but the framerate is now more than twice what it used to be, good news for poorfags with old rigs.
What the game actually gives is better balance, the original was pretty brutal here and there with some difficulty spikes that would have turned off casuals.
Not that I care since I finished twice the original in hard difficult, but newfags might prefer this redux version since it's easier.
>>339941552
Lazy devs
I'm not sure why anyone who bought the first version would pay for the new one when there isn't any significantly new content. This is probably marketed towards people who haven't played it before.
If the main change is optimization like that other anon said then whatever.
Hard reset is a shit game anyway
>>339941527
gggmanlives talks about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_ybbSnWE4I
>>339941127
Yfw realize right pic is the original
I only ever played 10 minutes after I got it in a sale
If I have the original + Exile DLC, is there any reason whatsoever to get Redux?
Just talking about gameplay here, I couldn't give less of a fuck about grafix
>fucking miniscule downgrade
>doubled FPS
While I'm not sure why they decided to do that for the PC it's pretty impressive in my eyes.
>>339941542
>>339941829
yeah, whoever made the comparison is from asia or something, who the fuck shows comparisons in descending order.
>>339941868
>having FPS problems in original HR
>>339941868
It's because the Redux uses FXAA instead and no AO. That's it, it's not some magical optimization, just removal of muh graphics.
>>339941868
No monitor can output 300 fps anyways so who cares
Am I the only one struggling to see any difference between versions? It really doesn't bother me at all
Why would you re-purchase a forgettable mediocre first person shooter?
>>339940180
Downgrade is not that bad though.
>>339942293
The main difference is the original one was free so pretty much everyone have it
>>339942340
But I wouldn't purchase nuDOOM again, I don't know why you're bringing it up.
>>339942340
"Because it's muh OLD SCHOOL. Not like one of those MODERN shooters!"
>>339942293
Very minor stuff. I had to go full screen to notice them. Some textures are slightly lower res and some fire effects were tone down but thats it. Is not a huge deal.
>>339942340
Because I already played all the Serious Sams
>>339942563
Why would you do that?
>>339941127
>hard reset ha very little changes that doesn't bother
>very little change
Pic related, look at your "very little change"
>>339942849
I cant see any difference.
>>339941527
Mobs are less bulletspongy
>>339942849
Keep trying. In the end i dont let minor graphic changes bother me as long as i have fun
>>339943030
Then play the original
>>339940180
I don't really care about the graphics all that much.
>>339942293
see
>>339942849
Difference are noticiable with a side-by-side comparison. If you play the redux now month after the original, it's not obvious.
>>339943075
the original didn't have melee combat or dodging
>>339943030
Then good on you. Nobody is forcing you to be outraged. But saying it's "very little difference, barely noticeable" if plain wrong. It's noticeable. It might ideed not influence the fun you have with the game, but that was not the point discussed here.
>>339942849
holy fuck it got dark souls 2'd
>>339943075
The original doesnt have all the cool new content.
>>339943264
Aye Understood.
>>339940180
holy fucking shit, did they hire some third party dev to do the job?
Is this game any good? I was gifted it a while ago but I've never gotten around to play it. The Steam reviews are quite mixed.
>>339943327
I liked the original, and because I own it, the redux was 3 bucks so yeah, I don't feels ripped off. I whish I could have the gameplay improvement on the graphics of the original, though.
>>339942902
No shadows at all from the window in the bottom pic, for starters.
>>339943542
do you have the original or this version?
>>339943709
The original.
>Separate from that, the studio said it is looking into reports of “missing particles and lighting effects,”
http://www.pcgamer.com/hard-reset-studio-addresses-redux-graphics-complaints/
Wait for a patch I guess, it was only $3 clapbux, so no huge loss
Not really, they changed engine & with that the SSAO to real time (which looks worse while technically better) added blurry FXAA (New engine doesn't support MSAA i guess) which makes the textures look worse & the fire effects/particles look a bit worse which is really just nit picking
Metro 2033 Redux on the other hand was a massive downgrade compared to the original, so they could hit 1080p/60fps on Consoles, Eurogamer pulled their Digital Foundry review of it because they knew it would be embarrassing to Consoles they shill so much
from the top of my head
-Volumetric Lighting & Fog removed
-Soft Shadows removed
-Muzzle Flash removed
-Particles/Smoke are not illuminated by light
-Tesselation removed
-Bokeh DOF removed
>>339940180
>Over double the framerate
That's an upgrade anon.
>>339943931
its actually has a few problems that the redux version fixed
>>339940180
I had no plans on buying it any way, but the heads up is appreciated.
Didn't sleeping dogs have a huge downgrade in its rereleased version?
How drastic are the gameplay changes? I'm already halfway through the original but if there is some dodging and the enemies are less bullet-spongy I will go back and start again
>>339943542
It's mediocre. Though, it's so short that if you don't like it you wouldn't have wasted much time playing the entire thing.
>>339941079
Are we looking at the same gun, floor and railing textures?
>minor graphics changes
it's fucking nothing
>unbalanced mechanics
nigga have you even played the original? the rebalance is much better
>150+ fps difference from the original
how is this bad?
>>339945505
>The game with enhanced graphics gets +150 fps
Why did they even bother making the original graphics in the first place?
>>339944248
Sure, they just moved the FPS slider to make this happen, you fucking mouthbreather.
Hardly any difference, maybe they just optimized it and that's why it runs so much better.
>>339946771
They DID remove ambient occlusion and real time lighting.
If you're used to last gen graphics, low resolution, or are flat out retarded, you might not notice.
I don't even know why it got a remake - played the original a year ago and it ran just fine.
>>339941952
I assumed it was a trick to make people say the right looks better when they didn't realize it's the original
>>339947113
So it can get a console re-release.
>>339940180
Why does this keep happening? This is the 3rd remaster in recent memory that makes the games look worse.
>>339940180
looks like a chink job
is this a chink job?
just look for any new studio in the intro
>>339940180
What did you explect? It's multi-platform version, of course it will be graphical downgrade from PC only version
The dead island definitive edition was a really big improvement. This one seemed like it could have just been a patch.
>/v/ literally only cares about graphics now
>they are working on shadow warrior 2
>hard reset redux not even on their official page
this, fellas, smells like a good old contracted chink job
http://www.flyingwildhog.com/games
I wouldn't mind the downgraded graphics so much if not for the fact that the game's description on Steam claims the visuals are "enhanced".
Make the graphics worse and call it optimization; I don't care. Just don't fucking lie to me.
>>339949584
So you came into this thread just to shitpost?
Talking about one thing at one particular time doesn't mean we don't care about anything else.
>>339949714
it's just a quick cash grab to make money for SW2 development.
>>339949875
they did optimize it though, the game now uses my whole CPU and never drops below 100, while the original shit itself in almost every shootout
>>339940180
i want all remasters to fuck off
>>339949498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuBAnySobc0
literally just more post processing
>>339950079
I know it runs better now, which is why I would be fine with them calling it an optimization.
But the Steam page claims the visuals are enhanced, which is clearly untrue.
>>339950137
Pretty sure that was a problem in the original as well, I remember it happening near a pool. Of course, it should have been fixed.
>>339950137
left one is a machete, right one is katana you autist
different swords
>>339950307
what the fuck are you talking about?
>>339950447
i might have misunderstood the image, care to spoonfeed me
>>339940180
I already got it grafixfag, and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>339950712
wait nvm
>>339950137
I've seen that effect in a lot of games. I'm assuming it has something to do with a shortcut they use for refraction in the water. Does this not happen in modern games? I haven't really played anything from this year.
>>339950447
Looks like he's just missing the point.
>>339950712
sure - the water in "definitive" edition has stupid glitch with refraction, where it grabs the texture of players weapon (something that obviously not presented in the original)
Which is more funny, when you listen to youtube morons talking about more precise lighting, better special effects etc.
>>339950137
you can see that blade on the left one also leaves black lines, this is purely easy way around DX shaders, some companies do it properly and some do it like this.
>>339950826
i would presume it's just cheaper to distort the already renderred frame, rather than generating it separately or something like that (not a programmer). Or it's just a "perk" of the new engine they done ported the game to for some stupid reason (oh yeah - to release it on "next generation" consoles, cuz fuck backwards-compatibility)
Anyway, this just screams "lazy" and the definitive editions have such miniscule changes (sometimes, not even improvements!) that they should be released as a patch or something
>>339951328
Is it? Oh well.
Still - fuck definitive redux of re-master editions
>>339949714
Publisher hiring 3rd party studio to make console port? Classic Hard Reset has now publisher listed on its steam page, while originally game was self-published by FWH.
>there are people who bought Doom 3 BFG for PC
>>339940180
Actually, if you already own shadow warrior, it's 85% off, and you also get a copy of the original when you buy it. They also added a couple new mechanics, a new weapon, and different enemy placement in the redux.downgrade is a fucking pisstake though
I bought it because it was only 3 yuros and I don't regret it. Combat feels way better this time around.
Don't really care about the graphics honestly.
>>339947819
because the publishers are a bunch of greedy fucks hiring shitty chinese and indian developers to do quick, dirty and shitty port jobs.
>>339947819
literally because new generation of consoles have no backwards compatibility
>>339952246
I don't understand. I thought the PS4 was a supercharged PC, I thought that Microsoft has infinite money. Why is the remaster worse than the old version? Let's compare DooM to this. While there were a few concessions here and there, the game is quite amazing on PS4 and Xbone. How can DooM look so great and hit 60 on consoles, while games that look marginally better hit 30, or the visuals have to be degraded significantly to keep 60?
>>339940180
>>339942849
I honestly cant tell the different aside from the shadows.
>>339940180
I paid $1 to get Extended from a Humble Bundle. I'll probably pay the $3 to get the Redux if just for the game rebalancing.
>>339940180
for someone who didn't play the first release: is it worth buying the redux for 3bux due to the rebalance
>buh grafix
it's on sale unlike the other version and i don't really care about grafix
>>339940180
I'll give it a try, it's only €3 if you already own original Hard Reset. Worth trying even just for rebalance and changed spawn locations
>>339953732
yes. the dash alone makes the game much better. enemies are far less bulletspongy, making the game a lot more enjoyable. runs like a charm too, i'm getting like 150 fps on my 5 year old pc
Getting tired of these "redux", "remastered" and "HD" releases that are just downgraded bullshit marketed as improvements. It's fucking slimy and dishonest.
Apparently the dashing mechanic isn't very well balanced
>>339954016
>dash alone makes the game much better
how is dash different? In original HR I used it only to dodge gorillas and rockets
>>339954357
It's basically the dash from Shadow Warrior if what I've heard is right.
>>339952561
>How can DooM look so great and hit 60 on consoles, while games that look marginally better hit 30, or the visuals have to be degraded significantly to keep 60?
Because DOOM dynamically lowers the resolution in order to maintain framerate, there is actually a program that does that on PC.
>>339954357
>>339954482
that's right. i like going fast. at one point i was able to see the enemies spawning out of thin air because i wasn't supposed to be there so quick
I actually lowered the difficulty from hard to normal in the original, but this time i gradually went over from normal to insane. So start on insane if you've played it before, otherwise it's a fucking cakewalk.
