So which one is the cheapest/most rage inducing way of dying?
freezing + ice shard or flashbang hammer fan?
>>339939231
Flashbang and hammer. What a stupid fucking question.
At least you have to aim when it comes to the freezing. You can throw the flashbang wherever the fuck you want and then just hold right click and maintain a MINIMUM 1KD.
Neither are as simply epic as Widowmaker's 150 damage bodyshot + 50 damage follow-up for doubletapping any hero with 200 health.
Dying to mei is probably the most rage inducing.
Instead of just dying in the blink of an eye and moving on, this bitch floats around you like a fly to shit and slowly freezes you then gives you one last glare before firing an icicle through your fucking skull and ending your life.
>>339939231
>Getting frozen
>Seeing that smug fat fuck Mei
>giving the sniper as much health as the offense heroes that have to put up with her two shot bullshit
????????
>>339939334
Atleast flash bang kills you quickly and not slow and painful by a Pyro tier m1 + w frost bitch
And the way she just stares at you when you're literally in stunlock, and shoots her disgusting ice pellets at you while there's nothing you can do
As genji i just reflect the flashbang but good god mei is rage inducing.
>>339939496
>>339939470
Quiet down, c****cks
Either pick mobility heroes or learn to keep your distance. McMeme on the other hand will catch you no matter where or who you are, you think he gives a fuck? No, flashbang.
>enter a game
>no widowmaker
>no genji
>no mccree
>no mei
>quality of Overwatch increases tenfold
poetry
Fucking Mei, the second she touches you with her jizz ray it's all fucking over, no matter if you land all your shots on her she has the health of a fucking tank so she doesn't die and then you just have to sit there and wait as she leisurely pops you in the head with her popsicle gun, staring into her disgusting obesity eyes.
It is fucking ridiculous.
>>339939231
>main Genji
>just SEEING mei triggers the fuck out of me
I cannot begin to explain how much I hate that fucking fat cow.
Dying to "skilled" Junkrat players who just spam their main fire into objectives from a safe distance and get rewarded.
>tfw play tracer but I never get McRee'd because I bait flash bangs.
I have a friend aka a Blizzdrone who thinks Overwatch is a perfectly balanced game unironically balanced and I just want to kill myself.
He thinks fucking McCree is balanced AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>339939231
Probably flashbang hammer fan because it can be done quickly at close range.
Getting frozen by Mei is ultimately always my fault for getting too close to her. But McCree can get you quickly, from a good distance, and around a corner.
>>339939231
>mei about to freeze you
>turn around
>she cant headshot you
easiest counter of my life
>A pixel of meis frost shit hits and slows you down
>You turn around and fight her
>You get slower and slower
>Heat and will to live is literally draining out of you body
>Realize the battle is lost and start MASHING Recall before it's completely over
>Get out safely and watch that smug bitch jump around joyfully
Hanzo arrow headshots that he clearly only landed by accident
>>339939479
are you implying snipers need to be nerfed?
maybe this a problem on the PC but snipers on console are never that much of an issue.
>Get sniped
>Kill cam shows you where they are
>Use a character with vertical mobility and climb up when you spawn in
>Look for poison mine
>Kill Widowmaker
pocket sand + hammer
>>339940250
welcome to bows in fps, huntsman says hi
Mcree could be fixed by just removing the flash and replacing it with something else
cowboys don't even /use/ flashbangs
>>339939880
I am a master baiter of flashbangs on zarya, he can still 2 shot you but a fully charged zarya will win that fight most of the time
>>339940251
>precision sniping with a controller
>>339940251
>not a problem on console
duh no one can aim on console so no snap headshot widows
>>339939496
>she just stares at you
>>339940316
it has a tiny range, just dont walk around corners
>>339939775
She's probably a hard counter to Genji I wouldn't contest her up close unless she's one hit away from dying.
Just pepper her with some shurikens, if it doesn't kill her, just keep moving- she's slow, and you're fast. Her biggest threat to the team is to corral you all together and drop her ultimate.
I would worry more about healers, Mei will fall when her team falls. She's pop her freeze-heal, outlive her team, and then your team will focus fire on her until she dies.
You deserve to get wrecked if you got frozen. Mcree's pocketsand is what pyro wished he had for over 10 years, the ambushing capability is way to high.
>>339940251
>the counter to snipers is to die
Seems fair
take away flashbang, give mcree a whip that disarms people for x seconds instead.
>>339940467
It has a fucking huge hitbox AOE tho
>>339940018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJSVHM6YD88
>just turn around
This is pretty good advice. Many characters heads in this game are completely inaccessible from the back.
>>339940606
The counter to snipers is a jumping gorilla with a pocket shield.
>>339939647
But anon, Mei directly counters both Tracer and Genji.
>>339940638
Flash bang should slow/blind. I think they should get rid of that, or fan the hammer should of a 3 second cooldown like Lucios blast.
Flashbang+fan at least with mei i know i could have done something if i had a character with a mobility skill with mcree he can just throw a flash in the back of my head and fucking melt me no matter what character im playing
>>339940251
>snipers are okay here where no one can snipe so snipers are okay
>>339940737
Mei honestly can't do much about Tracer, you start to freeze her and she just recalls or zips away.
>>339939231
Reinhard ult
>>339940996
>The only way to win against Mei is not to fight her
>>339939470
That and it's freaky to start unexpectedly and slowly lose functionality of key pressing.
>Why's my W feeling slugish
>My mouse isn't working right either
>Fuck I can't jump
>I can't move
That combined with her 5s invincible ice shield that restores half her health makes her the most annoying character in the game.
>>339940606
Well the majority of sniper time is wasted waiting around anyway, so knocking them out of their nest is always worth it- even if you have to die first.
Do you see my reasoning? It's balanced in terms of time and return. She's going to waste a lot of time finding another safe camping spot. Time wasted not being a credit to team- wheras some character can get in the action instantly and do damage to multiple opponents, she can only pick off one opponent at a time.
>>339939231
Hammer fanning works on every single character in the game, if you try to freeze and shoot roadhog he'll just hook you, you'll freeze, then he'll heal and kill you after.
Mei is bae
>>339939496
I always do a "Hey, Chill out!" right before I finish them for extra comedy gold.
>>339939843
That's literally Junkrat's purpose, spam the objective with grenades hence why he is a defense character and not an offense character
>>339941067
>Push payload with team
>She throws her ult on top of it
>You get frozen, facing the cart
>Hear scary fighting and noises around you
>Hope you don't get anally raped by anything while sitting your frost tomb waiting for salvation
it's this stuff nightmares are made off
>>339941065
One on one, no. But Tracer not really beating anyone could be said for most heroes. She's an annoyance first and foremost, and distracting Mei for that amount of time, could've given one of her teammates an opportunity to wreck her shit.
>>339940018
>easiest counter of my life
>Hammer Down
>They all fucking jumped
>Charge
>They all fucking jumped
I've never been more pissed off at this game
>>339939843
>>339941334
>implying Junkrat isn't one of the best offensive players
Hopping into an enemy stronghold and just being a nuisance does take quite a bit of skill desu.
>>339940281
why dont they just make mcree flashbang like the counter strike flashbang?
>>339941631
genji and widow are literally the only characters in this game that take skill at a high level
>>339941653
can only steal so much from valve desu
>>339941693
>not tracer
lol
>>339940990
Their effectiveness is just intrinsically limiting.
A sniper against a full team can't do anything to by themselves, no matter how good they are. They shoot/kill one guy, their position is given away (Either by kill-cam or the big obnoxious bullet trail), and one or two people flank the sniper. The end.
She's fragile and her primary is laughably weak. I'm sure pro-players can do work with her- but she just has so many weaknesses.
She can't even "no scope" which means she ALWAYS has to sacrifice awareness to snipe someone.
My opinion isn't law it just seems like she doesn't need any nerfs. Generally I like the balance of this game and I don't want to see it fucked up due to crying casuals. I don't want this to be Vanilla WoW all over again.
Let the community git gud, and we'll see where the meta goes.
Balance changes:
>McCree: Remove stun, replace with a slow, or keep stun but reduce Fan's damage and remove reload on roll.
>Mei: Reduce slow on her freeze gun
>Reinhardt: Decrease duration of stun on his ult, and increase time it takes for the ult to go off.
>Widowmaker: Increase time for full charged shots, loud indication that the enemy widow has ulted.
>Bastion: Reduce splash damage on ult
>Hanzo: Increase base movement speed, Reduce damage of reflection arrow
>Lucio: Remove passive healing for himself, decrease healing aura for teamates
>Zenyatta: Increase base movement speed, buff health to 175, increase time of healing orb on teamates
>Mercy: Increase time it takes for ult to go off
>Soldier 76: Decrease damage of helix rocket
>Junkrat: Decrease fire rate of grenade launcher, reduce time of root in beartrap.
>D.va: Remove abiltity to crit her in mech, reduce health, decrease spread of guns, buff guns slightly, ult goes off slightly faster
>>339941693
>Widowmaker
>a high mobility sniper whose rifle doubles as an smg
>one of the best ults in the game
>skill
A good Genji does take a good amount.
>>339941852
>Toblerone is curiously missing from this list
Great, can't wait to see more highlight reels of Torbjorns dead body racking up kills off screen.
>>339942031
Yeah hitting Reflect must be so hard
>>339941852
>buffing zenyatta
ayyy
>>339941852
>>Mei: Reduce slow on her freeze gun
Her freeze is already slow as fuck. If you get 100% frozen before you can either kill her or escape then you deserve to die.
>>339942139
Toblerone is pretty easy to deal with desu. 1 Junkrat ruins his day.
>>339939231
Mei is bullshit, McCree's flashbang while annoying, is easily duked, has a fuckhuge cooldown and a really short range. Mei can squirt out that freeze shit with 0 diminishing returns for as long as she wants.
Then you finally get her down low and she gets a fucking immunity with a 100% heal to reset the entire fight. Her ult is also much stronger than McCree's.
You can't even block Mei's bullshit freeze with shields, it's gay as fuck.
>>339939231
Hanzo blindly firing arrows and getting headshots is the most rage inducing.
We get it, your arrows are the size of trucks, hahahaha
>>339941339
>Push payload with whole team
>Hear Chinese mumbling
>Everybody got frozen
>"Ryuu ga waga teki wo kurau"
>Team kill
>>339942159
>actually have to aim
>alt fire is worse and should only be used to finish somebody
>his ult isn't "PRESS [KEY] TO WIN"
His reflect is less useful than Zaryas shield, it buys him like one or to more seconds of time.
>>339941852
>Make the game a tickle fight
That's a lot of shit ideas.
>>339942282
>she gets a fucking immunity with a 100% heal to reset the entire fight
tfw you just remembered this game is made by blizzard
tfw you just realized mei is literally a frost mage in duels
>>339942426
>Whole team on payload
>not 3 on it and 3 pushing/flanking
You guys deserved it.
roadhog hooks you you're dead
how is that balanced
I play Tracer and Soldier 76 mostly on attack, so if she can be fast enough to freeze me or close enough, I did something wrong.
>>339941838
The issue is her effectiveness ISN'T limiting.
She can spam bodyshots and kill like 3-4 people in 5 seconds.
THAT is the issue. Make her sniper use more ammo or increase the charge time.
>>339942282
>Her ult is also much stronger than McCree's.
Her ult does shit all if she doesn't have a good team to back her up. Escaping from it is also easy.
McCree can literally take down a blob of people with no effort.
>get frozen
>mei emotes before killing me
>unfreeze
>kill them
>spray
>tell them over pub chat to taunt after they kill someone next time
>they leave the match
Mei's need to learn their place!
>>339942254
>>339941852
I think what everyone needs to realize is that every character has hard counters, and this guy is clearly complaining about too much to give any indication that he's gud in the slightest.
My mains are Genji, Winston, and Symmetra. I have zero issue with the characters listed. At worst, I may have to change characters once per match- but I usually end up getting 4 gold medals.
Does anyone here actually main McCree or Mei? And if you do, what's the biggest cock you ever sucked?
Mei by far. At least McCree is quick and fast. Mei drags it out so long and stares at you with her dumb downy face to line up her headshot.
>>339942420
I raged like nothing else when the kill cam showed him one-shotting me by firing near my feet. Not actually hitting my feet but hitting the ground which I happened to be next to.
>Got play of the game because I pocket sanded five enemies at once, killed on of them and then Junkrat and Pharah took care of the rest
Felt like fucking scum
>>339942540
That's what triggered me the most, she's literally a faggot WoW Frost Mage. Back in the day I re-rolled Hunter just for the sole purpose of being able to shit all over them.
>>339942626
The same way you dont walk into a snipers line of sight to get one shot, dont walk into roadhogs line of sight with his chain off cooldown/bait him to miss it.
>>339939231
Depends on whether or not you get more angry about dying suddenly or relatively slowly.
I'm personally more infuriated when I run past a wall, get flashbanged and die instantly. Usually with Mei you know it's coming and have a chance of getting out alive, especially if you have a teammate near you.
McCree:
>Fan The Hammer damage decreased by 20% (1 shot: 70 -> 56. 6 shots: 420 -> 336)
>Fan The Hammer now has a 4 second cooldown
McCree can no longer destroy tanks with this combo.
Mei
>Upon leaving Cryofreeze, Mei's cooldown for the Ice Wall increases up to 3 seconds.
>Rate of freeze is now inversely proportional to the amount of base health+armour+shield the victim has (Tracer freezes faster than Roadhog).
>Running on a friendly Mei's sprayed ice causes the user to run 30% faster (Lucio's speed boost is 30%, 110% on amp up)
>Mei's Ice Walls are now translucent to teammates
>Mei can now climb friendly Ice Walls, Genji and Hanzo style
Reinhardt
>Stun now effects jumping players, but still doesn't effect players who are climbing walls
Widowmaker:
>If an enemy Widowmaker uses their ult, your team's bodies have a noticeable red tint to them
>Increased charge time
>Decreased firing speed
Zenyatta
>Can now double jump like Hanzo
>Can slowly hover to the ground like Mercy
Lucio
>Reduced base health to 175
Mercy
>Ultimate now charges slower
Junkrat
>Rolling grenades now only do 80 damage on a direct hit
>Mei's iceblower reduces your fucking mouse sensitivity
>>339942921
Honestly, Zenyatta should be able to straight-up move in 3 dimensions with zero gravity.
>>339942921
Man just lower fan the hammer to a tops 250 damage
Boom, he still solos everything in the game besides tanks, which he should never be soloing, while keeping him as a top contender for 1v1 fights
>hear a Genji doing his ult
>freeze him as he charges to our Mercy
>mfw as I actually taste his frustration as I icicle him down
Why does she sound like shes struggling to say her ult when it goes off? Like shes shitting it out of her mouth.
>>339940851
it should at least block the use of skills, that way he can do his job and kill flankers like Tracer. But he shouldn't be able to melt tanks, so a cooldown on fan the hammer, or a slower reload after fan the hammer (without being able to roll) would be perfect.
>>339940951
FHIGK
God dammit i don't even play the game but Mei makes me diamonds everytime.
>X character is easy to beat, just switch to Y character
switcher character to counter just one other character is not ideal though
>>339942921
>>Running on a friendly Mei's sprayed ice causes the user to run 30% faster (Lucio's speed boost is 30%, 110% on amp up)
I'd take every nerf for the ability to be Iceman.
>be mei main
>all these people crying for mei nerf
>mfw it has already been confirmed she's getting buffed on the next patch
>>339942693
Even if you're alone, and you freeze 3 enemies in the square with your ult, all you have to do is icicle them in the head for 3 ez kill when they're frozen. And that shit lasts more than long enough to headshot 3 people for the ult freeze wears off. It's also FAR stronger for team plays.
For a McCree to flashbang an entire team he has to waddle right up to their fucking faces since flashbang has like a literal 1 meter range, pray they're all joined at the hip and not looking at him as he waddles up slowly and pray to RNG his hammer gets lucky.
>>339943104
it's the foundation of the game senpai
I wouldn't care so much if she didn't fucking stand right in front of my face.
>>339939231
Mei isn't really overpowered but dying to her is the most infuriating thing in the game
>>339943162
>Even if you're alone, and you freeze 3 enemies in the square with your ult, all you have to do is icicle them in the head for 3 ez kill when they're frozen. And that shit lasts more than long enough to headshot 3 people for the ult freeze wears off.
nah son, it rarely works out like that
>>339939231
If they just changed her face it wouldn't be so bad.
Make her look confident or smart or smug. Instead she just has the dumbest fucking look on her face.
>>339943136
>be Mei main
Stop, you are literally a terrible human being and shouldn't be allowed to go outside
>>339943162
You are comparing Mei's ult to McCree's ability. Do you know what McCree's ult is?
>pick a character in the very beginning
>have an okay time with it at first
>after the first fight two people on the other team rageswitch to counter you
This didn't happen when the game was brand new and everyone was learning how to play but now it happens every single game.
>>339943082
This. Her Chinese sounds strange as fuck. That rhyme that she says sounds weird too.
>>339943253
>not taking extra long time waddling in front of them watching their soul leave their eyes as they stare at their executioner
>>339943104
If the enemy team has a setup that would require someone to switch, chances are good that the character they're switching to will work better against multiple enemy characters.
I hate playing Pharah, but if the enemy team has a Reinhardt, Bastion, and Torbjorn, then she's probably far more useful than me continuing to play Tracer/S76
>>339939334
>At least you have to aim when it comes to the freezing
Wut
>>339943169
>>339943354
you should have to pick your team comp in the beginning blind and then not be able to switch heroes for the rest of the game imo
you might think this is ridiculous but keep in mind that the games are fucking 7-12 minutes long
>>339943346
Yeah, it's a loudly announced sniper shot, he also fucking glows when he's doing it. McCree just isn't as great as you guys are trying to make him.
>>339942626
Widowmaker bodyshots you you're dead
how is that balanced
>>339943162
If you have the time to waddle up and throw your ult on 3 enemies who are close enough to be unable to escape, you could also just have High Noon'd their asses
>>339940447
Nerf this!
>>339943354
>rageswitch
No they're just being smart if one approach doesnt work try another
>>339943486
>it's a loudly announced sniper shot, he also fucking glows when he's doing it
he also walks painfully slow while doing it
>>339943486
Mccree's ult is amazing if you know how to use it. You have to flank them while their distracted to get more than one or two of them.
People suck with it but it's fucking instant kills for anyone on your screen what are they complaining about?
>>339943104
well it's not required but it's easier than getting gud- so that's your option.
The different characters have skill ratings in training mode. Some characters are designed to be easier and have their work cut out for them- whereas other characters are more complex, but are less limiting in their effectiveness.
Casuals AKA people who've played less than 10 hours per character, want to feel like they're good when they aren't.
If you balanced the game and only allowed "slight advantages" this game would become as predatory as Counter Strike- where veteran players get all the kills and everyone else is just lambs to slaughter.
Everyone in this game is designed around a specific niche, an intended use, with an intended weakness.
If you want to play a game where everyone is balanced with everyone- play Counter-Strike or Halo.
>>339943486
You obviously never played against someone decent or good with him
He will win every fight because of how easy it is to flashbang someone
Going off and saying keep your distance only works if the McCree is a literal retard and charges instead of flanking
I get mad that Rein's charge works on me better than it works on anyone else. Despite being at a 70-80 degree angle away from him I get magnet pulled into being pinned for whatever reason.
>>339943461
I would support this but it would mean the game would have to actually be balanced.
>>339943461
you would have way more people dropping from matches
>>339943706
So make the penalty for leaving more severe
>>339943461
That is retarded and you are retarded.
>>339939231
Freezing
It doesn't happen all at once and unless you are zarya reaper or tracer you have to watch yourself die slowly as you try to futilely jump away. Then there is that one second charge up on Mei's gun where she just looks you in the eyes and you know its fucking coming and there isn't a single fucking thing you can do about it.
GOD DAMN IT FUCK MEI WHO THE FUCK PUTS STUNS AND REVIVES IN AN FPS FUCK THIS FUCKING GAME
>>339939998
you make no sense, wouldnt it be your fault for getting to close to mcree
>>339942612
Yeah, the joke is
I was Mei that game, I threw the blizzard that fucked up the enemy team
Easiest POTG of my life
>>339941852
>nerf everyone but buff my waifu
garbage opinions. Get good kid.
>main Zarya
>hard counter Mei and generally counter Mcree.
It feels even better popping barrier on a teammate and watching them shit on one of those two.
>>339943461
>>339943769
>How to kill your game in two easy steps
>>339943678
>for whatever reason
20 tickrate stupid hitboxes are the reason. Same reason that roadhog's hook hits behind cover and around corners.
>>339943859
>zarya
What the fuck are you talking about? Zarya is one of the hardest counters to Mei because her shield makes you immune to the slow and she can't do shit to you.
>>339943984
>>main Zarya
>>hard counter Mei
Lol wut. The best outcome for Zarya against Mei is a stalemate where you run away.
>>339943486
This.
Anyone over level 20 is usually competent enough to dodge or counter McCree's ult, if not kill him before it goes off.
Meanwhile, Hanzo's ult blasts through your speakers and has two giant glowing dragons, yet nobody on my teams have the common sense to move out of the way.
>>339943769
>make the penalty for leaving more severe
Sure as soon as you remove the retarded afk for 20 seconds and get kicked bullshit.
>>339941838
>be Hanzo
>head shot
>Run up a wall
>head shot
>Drop down behind someone
>head shot
>Look at the objective
>Quad kill with my dragon
Sorry but snipers are basically the only way to get kills in OW
>>339944027
That's what he said.
Anyone with an mobility/block button (Zarya, Mei, Reaper, McCree, Genji, Tracer, D.va, Reinhardt) can get out of Mei's range relatively easily.
>>339943994
>>339943836
>waah I can't handle playing the same character for 10 minutes
>>339944192
Oh my, I'm just a retard aren't I?
I should go to fucking sleep
>>339939231
it takes a few seconds to freeze someone, it's not really cheap.
Anybody else think Mei shouldn't be able to freeze Torbjorn when he ults?
Not saying he needs a buff but it honestly doesn't make much sense
>mei is an annoyance at best and a waste of a slot at worse
>mcree will always win a 1v1 but may as well shoot himself in the head if he encounters anymore than that
>BLIZZ PLS NERF
>Lucio can determine the outcome of a match by himself, is super tanky, fast, brain dead easy to play and his ult counters most other ults
>nobody cares
Y tho.
>>339944119
This. I play zarya frequently and she is not a hard counter to her because her barrier lasts no way long enough to kill her. Even if you somehow do get close she can heal and go immune for 4 seconds which is a bullshit long time
>>339941561
I'm pretty sure hammer down affects airborne targets, I've been sent to the ground several times as Genji. Maybe you just missed.
>>339943892
McCree's faster, has a long range weapon, and can roll.
But honestly I don't think either of them need to be nerfed.
>>339941852
>Junkrat: Decrease fire rate of grenade launcher, reduce time of root in beartrap.
This guy gets it, the AoE and base dmg is fine, but the fire rate is retarded
>Potg
>it's a "junkrat blindly lobs shots from behind cover into the KOTH zone" episode
>>339944293
The problem isn't the time from nothing->freeze. It's that it cripples you from the first hit.
>>339944334
>lucio
just jump in and focus him with winston he can't do shit
>>339939775
>"MAIN"
You are one of those fuckbois who only plays Genji, even if the entire enemy team counters you?
God, I hate MOBA fuckers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O1hM-k3aUY
>>339942426
That sounds like a good teamwork
>>339944315
I mean, thematically, no, obviously it makes no sense. But balance wise, being 100% totally shit out of luck if you walk up on Tor with an ultimate handy is garbage, especially since you can easily freeze Winston during his ultimate twice if you're good.
>>339943457
You would be surprised at how much leading the frost needs to hit a target that is moving horizontally in relation to you
>>339944334
I would rather deal with an actual OP character that can't self heal than an annoying bitch that never fucking dies
>>339940348
>Zarya runs up
>Shield up
>McCree fans
>he rolls, immediately reloading and avoiding damage
>shield down
>MccCree fans
>dead
right
>>339944389
your counter-argument makes no sense
whats does it have to do with mcree having a long range?
You got within range of his flashbang and you ultimately got rip apart, yet you say is your fault for getting on meis range.
???
you make no sense
>>339943913
Any actual criticism? Both D.va and Zenyatta are in need of a buff.
>>339941852
>nerf the worst tank in the game
Do D.Va give you so much trouble?
>the other team has a widow maker, mccree, and mei
>>339944514
Combined ults are a wonderful thing, but seeing support ults get wasted fucking infurates me.
>playing Zenyatta on Anubis attack
>sticking to the Reinhardt
>tell him my ultimate is charged
>we're standing on the side entrance to the final point
>"Go!"
>use Transcendence
>he stands there with his shield up while the turret next to him keeps shooting at him
>mfw
>>339944615
>Zenyatta
the unremovable orb of twoshotting isn't strong enough for you? I bet you think he should be able to main heal a whole team
>>339944514
>"I'm going forget tough nest it!"
>"Bomb's away!"
I was honestly a little impressed. Felt like they planned that one.
>>339944441
I agree with this anon. It shouldn't drastically change your mouse sens until you're nearly frozen. As it is now, getting frozen is pretty much a foregone conclusion unless you are tracer or mccree
If you get frozen by Mei, she had to aim at you for several instances.
You had time to kill her or use a move to get away.
She at least sort of earns the kill.
If you get hit by McCree's flashbang, he had to aim in your general location and tap E once.
Out of that he gets a free kill, you have no way to break out of it.
the only logical conclusion is that flashbang+fan is objectively cheaper than freezing+shard
>>339939496
>disgusting ice pellets
my sides
>>339939231
When your friendly mei blocks your path, shots or ult
>>339942493
He's an idiot obviously. As you said Genji needs to actually aim those shots back, and anyone who encounters a Genji should expect the deflect and Genji is gonna get punished for using it at the wrong time. Genji gameplay involves constantly moving around both horizontally and vertically while also firing off relatively slow projectiles. Every input matters for Genji. Compare this to widowmaker who only has to think about moving her crosshair around while standing still a mile away from your opponents.
>>339940250
>be genji
>stick to roof tops
>stay in the shadows
>jump on the point unseen
>die to a hanzo trying to hit a dva
EVERY FUCKING TIME
>>339944441
Exactly. I'm fine with getting frozen if she legit beat me, but the fact that I, even as Lúcio in Sanic mode, am basically guaranteed to be frozen unless she runs in front of me, is infuriating.
>>339939647
You can type canuck on the internet
>>339944615
>buff D.va
Why?
Her E is great
Her Shift allows her more mobility than all other tanks
Killing her mech doesn't end her, allowing her to survive certain death situations. She gets less health, but is faster with a powerful gun and can respawn her mech after a few good hits.
If all you're doing is W+M1 then you're playing her wrong.
If you cant counter Mei youre pretty shit.
I dont know why Snipers always complain when they outrange everyone
>>339944171
>getting headshots all the time
>implying this isn't the result of player skill
Hanzo always struck me as the most anemic hero in the game.
>his ability is a watered-down version of Genjis
>slow run speed
>low health
>Non-charged arrows do close to nothing
>Sonar arrow requires you to already have a good idea of where the enemies are, (easily wasted for that reason.)
>Arrows drop with distance, unlike Widowmaker who fires instantly with no bullet drop.
But on the flipslide his scatter arrow and ultimate are pretty useful, but that still makes him a mid-long range character ONLY.
Just look at this weeks "Super Shimada Bros" event. Genji is the deciding factor, and is overall superior to Hanzo. Hanzo's best role is supplementing Genjis and launching the ultimate- whereas Genji can handle literally everything else at all ranges.
>>339939231
Wallhack widowmaker with decent aim
>>339944706
It's the Holy trinity of "I hope you weren't planning on having fun this match"
>>339945127
Just the fact that widowmaker has a hitscan sniper rifle AND a submachine gun while hanzo has a bow and arrow and nothing else was enough for me to be like wtf
>>339944507
Genji has only like 2 hard counters and ive only seen a team of just winstons one time. If you are good you can always be useful to the team as genji.and i switch betweeb genji and zenyatta
>>339939231
Freezing has some counterplay with a bunch of characters at least. There's literally nothing you can do against McCree other than being Reindhart and hoping you are full health.
>>339941852
>Shit
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>Eh
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>Shit
>>339944541
I literally said this is possible in the thing you quoted. It also almost never happens, but I play Zarya a lot and I've been in those situations where you round a corner and surprise McCree. She's pretty much the only character I survive that situation on.
Hell McCree can theoretically one shot an unshielded Zarya with one fan but I'd love to see some video evidence of that happening.
>>339945241
she doesn't have a sniper rifle AND a submachine gun, she has a snuper rifle that is also a submachine gun.
The difference of course being that Widowmakers don't even need to switch weapons to go into rapid fire mode, they don't skip a beat.
Also Hanzo's arrows are kind of bullshit, there are videos of how they snap to enemies even when a player is purposely trying to miss them.
>>339944905
>friendly mei blocks your path
>Be Reinhardt
>Lead team into enemy lines
>Fucking friendly Mei sticks an ice wall right behind me
>Don't notice until I'm getting gang banged and can't reverse out
Flashbangs and just being Right Clicked as a general fucking attack at any range is the worst thing in the entire fucking game.
The fucking "Woah there!" voice line is just the shitty icing on the shit encrusted cake.
Fuck McCree fuck the people that play him thinking they are hot fucking shit. Fuck the people that attempt to hit a couple of left clicks and then panic and instantly right click
Fuck Fan the Hammer. Fuck Flashbangs. Fuck his stupid fucking loud as fuck footsteps and knowing that you either have to run the fuck away or hope you get lucky as fuck.
Flowchart McCree in every game. Pubstar Roadhog in everygame. Awful fucking Widow in everygame.
>mfw I block a reinhart's charge with ice wall multiple times in one match
His rage fuels me
>>339945325
>Genji has only like 2 hard counters
Winston, Zarya, Mei, Symmetra, McCree (as long as he throws the flashbang behind you)
Junkrat and Pharah that are good at utilizing splash damage can counter him too but I generally have the upper hand against them
>>339943984
>Be Zarya, decent charge %
>Come across enemy Mei
>She begins to freeze me as I lay my beam into her
>Right before I freeze, I put up my barrier
>Increased charge makes me do more damage
>About to zap her frosty pussy into an oblivion
>She cryofreezes
>ok i'll just wait until she comes out and bomb her ass
>Comes out four seconds later
>Immediately puts up an ice wall and runs away
>>339945539
woah there
>>339945325
>When a genji comes at you while you're playing Mei
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krbhq4uO0oE
>play mercy
>other team relentlessly focuses me
>>339944787
I already have given what he should get buffed. Sure he can do a lot of damaged but any body can oneshot him and easily abuse him.
>>339944786
>Just captured Point A in Hanamura
>Moving towards Point B
>Dealing with stragglers
>Our Mercy Ults
For what purpose?
>>339945106
Her mech might as well be made out of paper mache thanks to it's giant crit hitbox. Her guns need work too, since they're only effective point-blank and make her an easy target for enemies.
Awful Genji on your team, he does nothing for about 5 full minutes, just kind of doing a little bit of harassment now and again. Never actually gets any kills.
Pops sword and clears enemy team. Rinse and Repeat how to Genji.
what if it was like a right click CSGO flash, still short range but you have to toss it and wait - *tink* *tink*... *BOOSH*
I still don't get why they gave McCree the reload roll. Even if you are a shitter and fail to kill someone, you get an extra fan the hammer and the mobility to go with it. Either remove the reload or give fan the hammer a cooldown.
>>339945539
>>339945661
eaaasssyyy
>>339945607
Welcome to why I have so much fun playing Mei
>mfw I just found out that Roadhogs can hook rip-tires
gg, cobber.
>>339945583
Zarya doesn't counter Genji unless you're a retard who just stands there waiting to die.
>>339945661
>>339945813
Triggered so hard right now. Full PTSD flashbacks.
>>339945665
>he tries to reflect your ice stream
>>339945448
Well. They are homing arrows in his story trailer. Still they are a source of bullshit.
>>339944119
I'm Zarya, I'm always near a teammate and I since I'm usually playing with atleast my roommate it's pretty easy force a retreat from Mei and have another teammate kill her in retreat.
>>339944530
If you've played Mei for 15 minutes you'd know it takes minimal effort. After you hit them once the slowdown starts, making it easier. Plus you have surprisingly good range. After McCree gets nerfed she's going to be unstoppable. Flashbang was her only hard counter
>>339945665
>>339945878
Not hard counter, but if her aim isn't shit with her laser beam she shouldn't lose 1v1. This is just in theory, I stomp every zarya as Genji
>>339939231
there is only one character that annoys me and that is Genji. Maybe Torb becuase no one wants to try and take out his turrets, but a good Genji will flank every moment of the game, and when you thought you succeeded inpushing him back. he disappears for 1 minutes, only to hear those haunting words of death
>>339945831
Oh yes and they can and will react purely on motion to anything in their site, whats that? A Reaper? I'll hook that shit! Oh no.
Is that a Mei? oh and shes ice blocked and frozen my entire team and killed my healer? Well at least I hooked something I am being helpful. Better go charge some enemy team ults.
>>339945583
>mccree
Fuck that shit just reflect fucking everything
>>339945106
No she is absolute garbage. She gets practicaly oneshot every time she tries to do her job due to her giant fucking headshot. She doesn't have the damage to play outbox anybody, winston has both better mobility, teamfight, and damage than her. Her ult is literally useless against anybody who realizes it explodes.
>>339940606
Tracer, Winston, D.VA, Reaper, and Genji are all counters to the snipers. Widowmaker players tend to flip out if you ambush them
>temple of anubis
>it's a bastion+reinhardt+mercy+torbjorn on defense episode
seriously how do you counter this
>>339946019
>DONGXHU, FU SHI ZO!
>>339945831
>tfw you've saved your team multiple times doing this
my suggestions for balance changes:
>make mccrees fan the hammer have a cooldown
>make flashbang only affect targets with less than 300hp
>give bastion a movement skill similar to d walker
>give zenyatta a tiny bit more hp so he can't get body shot by widowmaker
>let d.va move while firing and reduce her crit hitbox a bit
>give symmetras beam a bit for range and a bit faster charge time for her alt fire and make her teleport have a few more uses before being destroyed
>decrease lucios passive healing a tiny bit
>decrease widowmakers scope charge speed
>decrease mercy's ult charge time
>>339939231
Flashbang + fan the hammer
You at least have a chance to escape/kill mei before she freezes you. McREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE stuns you instantly and you just have to sit there and let him kill you.
>>339945607
>Be Junkrat
>mfw Mei Cryofreezes
Thanks for the free kill, grill.
>>339945701
I don't think he needs a huge buff for now. He just needs some extra health or movement speed. I'd be fine with either of them.
>>339944626
>Nerf
I didn't nerf her though, I said her health has to be reduced if were going to remove her crit box and buff her damage. Otherwise she'd be op.
>>339946161
go genji and climb up the walls on the left side and start capturing the point
>>339946161
Lucio, Mei and a good widowmaker
>>339940447
This shit pisses me off so much but the art gives me the angriest boner
>>339945425
Wow great argument you got there, you really showed him.
>>339939231
>tfw freezing someone and they try to run away
>m2 to the brain
>get at least 4 gold medals
I can see McFreePotg and Le blue asswoman of snipes but how bad do you have to be think Mei needs nerfs?
>>339946092
to be fair he was trying to hook me
>standing in hallway
>pull ripcord
>he turns the corner and tries to hook me
>gets the tire as soon as it hits the ground
>gets a face full of fire and rubber
>>339946161
mercy with fatpig to tank and occasionally hook out of position enemies. junkrat for wreking stuff from around angles and behind shields. hanzo for ulti through shield.
should work, right?
>>339940737
What the fuck kind of a Tracer gets caught by a Mei?
>>339946118
As I said, he can throw the flashbang to your side so it goes off behind you, and it will affect you regardless
It's funny though, I deflected a flashbang to the far right so it affected nobody and he still went for the fan-hammer, which I made him eat. It's just instinct for McCrees to press those two together even if it's obviously going to kill them.
>>339946231
That's what I said... If he just got some extra health he still would not bring the utility that mercy and lucio bring with their ability to easily get around and heal everyone. He needs both a movement speed and health buff to be able to compete.
>>339944786
I fucking hate when Reinhardt forgets that he has a giant hammer.
>>339939231
flashbang fan
It doesn't matter where you are, how fast you're moving, or how many teammates you're with. Get hit with a flashbang as a 150hp hero and you're dead. Sure, your team might kill the mcreed seconds later but you're still out and it's infuriating.
I played him a lot when I first got the game. After about 4 hours I stopped because it was insanely boring .There's just no challenge.
>>339946458
Her freeze shortens the range of tracers blinks, enough to keep her in the range of the freeze gun. Not sure about genjis dash. Don't underestimate the slowdown of the freeze, it kicks in immediately and reduces their speed to half or less almost immediately. Once you're caught good luck running, especially if you're ability is still on cooldown
>>339942726
Really than what's McCree's hard counter? Lucios? Clearly not everybody has a counter and that's a lot of characters need to be adjusted. Nobody should be able to one man army doing 420 damaged while leaving you immobile (McCree) or just stand by your team doing more than Zen's healing, being able to shoot/push and bringing huge mobility to the whole team. Good for you, you're own experience with the game has nothing to do with the actual balance issues that plague it.
>>339943657
>casuals
>less than 10 hours per character
>210 hours
>game came out a couple weeks ago
>>339946625
>as a 150hp hero
lol he kills 500hp heroes just as easily
>>339942139
I was thinking of just reducing his turrets ability to lock on to people instantly but I then realized how little damage they do and how easy they are to kill. I think nerfing that would make him near useless.
>>339939231
getting killed by op widowmaker or op tracer since both doesn't have any hard counter unless you pick them.
This bitch.
>Be widow headshot applys barrier have to stop shooting for my teammates sake. Pull out hook and fly away bc I've blown my cover.
>Be McCree flash fan roll barrier applied have to try to run away before Lezbeam instamelts me
>Be Genji no thanks.
Are there any hard counters to her? Her paired with a support and her ability to set up wombos with her ult almost makes her a Meta.
>Mei just has to point in your general direction to put a crippling slow on you that eventually stuns you
at least mccree doesnt have an iceblock that heals
>>339946748
Mcrees counter is anything beyond medium range or another enemy after he's already blown his load.
>>339946625
he's supposed to counter tracer, even after the nerfs that will still be the case.
>>339946021
She should lose 1v1 because Genji never has to be inside her ticklebeam range and even if he is, you need better than Quake-pro LG accuracy and full charge to stand a chance of outdpsing him.
>>339946748
McCrees only hard counter is McCree.
Meis only hard counter is McCree.
Nerfing McCree is necessary, but then you've got someone else to fill his top-tier shoes
>>339946884
>Are there any hard counters to her?
Don't shoot her. That's literally all you have to do. If a Zarya is staying under 50 charge the whole game she might as well just change classes.
>>339946848
>he can't counter Widowmaker
>>339946884
i just hate her that her damage is so low
i get that she is a tank and all, but it takes several fucking right clicks to even kill squishy, and those bombs are *relatively* hard to land on fast moving characters
>>339946323
>Him
If you say so, my man.
The changes "he" proposed were mostly terrible because they either A: completely break the character and their playstyle, or B: buff them completely pointlessly.
Some of the changes were also just pointless, such as the Soldier 76 one.
>>339946231
He needs a better ult. A chest dropped the god tier skin for Zen, but I still don't play him because for his ult he just becomes a slightly better Lucio. There is no wow factor to it.
>Be Junkrat
>Enraged Winston
>He's out to give the the hot monkey dick
>Only feet away
>"The hunter lays a trap for his prey..."
>mfw
He went from enraged Winston to enraged Winston Player
>>339946884
Just dont shoot her shield. Low energy zarya is a joke.
>>339942208
Her frozen part isn't what's so annoying about her, if she manages to hit you with her gun for less than a second your movement speed is so slow that you're basically a walking kill.(which has a decent range) it makes characters like tracer and genji useless. Of course you should always switch your characters but she can still outsnipe a pharah, who's supposed to be her hard counter. Her freeze also isn't slow at all. It's a lot tougher killing her than it is getting frozen, as she has a wall, self heal which makes her invulnerable and a alt fire that does 75 damage and can one shot chars at 150 with one headshot.
what happens if you reflect mei's main fire?
>>339946884
Tracer
>>339947026
tracer, pharah, widowmaker, reaper are all good against mei.
>>339947045
she goes from weak to nuclear once you bait people into attacking your shield
>>339946884
>>Be McCree flash fan roll barrier applied have to try to run away before Lezbeam instamelts me
Flashbang + fan is enough damage to bust through the shield and kill any squishy. Add in a roll and second fan and you blow up full health Zarya with shield.
>>339947160
does her shield reflect anything or what
>>339939623
Fucking bronze Mcrees that don't throw the flashbang to the wall or the floor.
>>339947135
You don't
