>>339923606
*Does The Last of Us Have the Best Writing of All Video Games?
>>339923606
*Does The Last of Us have the best writing of all video games?
>>339923606
nope, zelda does
>>339923606
Thats notNew Vegas
>>339923606
no, but i really enjoyed it
technically a mediocre game
>>339923606
As far as i can tell DOOM om does.
>>339923606
Uncharted 2, if we're talking recent AAA games, was better written.
Overall though,MGS3is the best written game in history
No.
>>339923838
This
TLOU is nice but its story is a fairly generic zombie apocalypse with 'muh daughter' thrown in for muh feels
Why doesn't it? The characters are all human, grounded, and complex, and the plot is desolate and mature with nuance, subtle symbolism and careful blend of tonally consistent humor to add to the humanity.
>>339924121
>subtle symbolism
Do enlighten me
>>339923952
>He thinks MGS3 is better written than MGSV
>>339923952
>Overall though, MGS3 is the best written game in history
Yes when Volgin grabbed Snake's balls and lauged maniacally before torturing him was truly a testament to the best writing in all of videogames. Truly compelling, thoughtful, and human stuff.
>>339924115
It feels pretty silly to downplay human elements like a father-daughter relationship as "muh feels". I mean these types of relations with family, friends and loved ones are some of the most important things to humanity, so clearly a lot of games will have these themes.
>>339924315
>>339924252
Does "best written" to you guys mean "most realistic and muh feels"? Fuck sakes /v/.
Its like you guys think Silver Linings Playbook is better written than Dr Strangelove.
Legacy of Kain has far more interesting writing and stories.
Good thing Naughty Dog didn't run off the lady that wrote them or anything :^)
>>339924252
it is
in a way, yes
it's probably the only game that I can recommend to non-gamer people because it doesn't drop the ball at any stage of the experience
>>339924393
>implying Nier didn't do a better job at portraying Father/Daughter relations and lengths a man will go to for his little girl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3QKhDDWA8
>>339923606
Literally the Citizen Bane of video games.
>>339924487
MGS3 doesn't have muh shitty forced waifu case closed f-f-f-f-fgayman
>>339923606
I thought the characters were pretty well done but the plot wasn't anything too special.
>>339923796
Zelda is terribly contrived video-game-y adventure stuff in terms of writing.
The Last of Us, on the other hand, is far more grounded and guided forward by plight of basic humanity with dynamism given to the personalities and natures of its characters with substantial growth over the journey that is earned.
I would compare The Last of Us to Raging Bull if anything, in terms of how its characterization, and honestly do think it can compare when examined side to side.
>>339923606
>MUH DAUGHTER
Bioshock 2, NIER and LISA all did this better, and they're all pretty mediocre games themselves. TLOU is 4/10 at best.
>>339924684
Nah, learn to appreciate minimalism.
Ocarina's story is fantastic at showing, not telling.
>>339924470
it is
>>339924252
kek, MGSV is written off completely solely because of the jeep drive
who the fuck thought that was a good idea
>>339924684
robert vs. deniro
>>339924512
>Nier
Oh yes, this is truly the best writing in all of games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8XTbluLDyE
>>339924836
The jeep drive was more iconic than the ladder climb
Fact
No it doesn't. There have been amazing scripts that have created entire worlds, and had engaging, deep dialogue that could go on for days.
The Last of Us, even though I enjoyed it, has the story of a generic Hollywood schlock movie.
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nyvLXAC.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>339924121
>subtle
really makes ya ponder senpai
No.
Legacy of Kain and Planescape Torment do.
>>339924865
It actually is perfectly in character writing/dialogue, yes.
Shadowlord is also a more memorable track than anything Naughty Dog has composed in nearly a decade desu, while I'm at it.
>>339925003
That's not Exile
>>339925003
>Legacy of Kain and Planescape Torment do.
edgy, D&D-tier level shit that aged like milk
>All these plebs.
>>339924985
Yeah imo the story wasn't anything special but the character writing was well done. Certainly did a better job of getting me attached to characters than any game that isn't a RPG that I can remember, though maybe that's down to the game actually bothering to have some character development.
>>339924865
I don't see the problem.
Should I post a video of Ellie having a bitchfit and call TLoU shit?
>>339925051
Do you watch japanimation by any chance?
>>339924996
it is
>>339925124
Do you not see the difference in the caliber of writing?
Nier is juvenile. That linked opening was entirely juvenile and sophomoric.
The Last of Us was just a watered down version of Lisa the Painful RPG that didn't have the balls go go as far as Lisa did.
>>339925130
I actually just understand Kaine's character, something that would fly over the heads of most Naughty Drones like yourself.
>>339924121
this isn't bait? ellie is the typical glorified teenager, joel is pretty damn generic as well and the story revolves around cheap drama sequences. everything is predictable and boring
TLOU wasn't even the best Naughty Dog game tbqh
>>339923606
>it's any zombie movie but... no, just any zombie flick
can't even call it two dimensional
"Good writing" (and especially "best writing) is such an incredibly vauge concept that it's impossible to define. You can only say whether something is well or poorly written (and this is subjective), you can't create a recipie for good writing, there's no formula to follow.
If we are talking about writing characters that feel natural and believable, I honestly believe Uncharted 2, 4 and TLoU are the best in the industry.
The casual conversations between characters all feels convincing and never emmersion breaking or cringey. The overall story's might be pretty cliche and 4 and TLoU have some issues, but the way everything is written is unironically top-notch.
This isn't just writing though, it's acting and programming as well. Naughty Dog's "writing skill" in Uncharted can in no small part be attributed to Nolan North and the other actors, as a script on a page it would be unremarkable, but the performance and chemistry is what elevates it. Same with programming and art, those lines have to come out of 3D models that need to fit the character, and timing/way they interact with what the player does is also paramount to it being "good writing".
Uncharted 2 is, in my opinion a perfect game, in that everything it ATTEMPTS to do, it does so perfectly. The story is pretty hammy and generic, but it never pretends it isn't and uses its genre conventions to its strength. It's perfectly paced, both storyily, gameplay-wise and visually as well.
>>339923606
Don't listen to /v/.
They will never admit The Last of Us is GOAT.
They're instantly repulsed by acclaim by critics, acclaim by "normies", and anything that is remotely grounded and not overly fantastical.
You combine all 3, and at best /v/ will say whatever it is is just great at best. They'll never say fantastic or incredible or 10/10.
The Last of Us's story is really fucking A-class. If you adapted it to a movie, it could stand the test of time with the likes of All About Eve, Vertigo, Chinatown, and The Maltese Falcon
>>339925616
lel, keep dreaming
>>339925726
don't reply to obvious bait, jackass
>>339925616
you were having a solid point but then you crashed and burned
>>339924470
>Its like you guys think Silver Linings Playbook is better written than Dr Strangelove.
They're completely different movies.
One's a character dramedy and the other is a satire. Get a clue.
>>339923606
It's not even a video game though
>>339924470
>Silver Linings Playbook
is it any good?
>>339925770
How so?
What inherently makes Vertigo better than The Last of Us in terms of writing? At the end of the day, Vertigo isn't all too original and is just detective drama but is still hailed as one of the greatest stories in film of all time.
>>339925761
Lel, keep dreaming
>>339923606
it has shit-tier writing and characterdevelopment
getting almost-raped is completely forgotten in the next scene
>>339925879
watch more movies and read more books kid. when i was 15 i thought my video games had great stories too
>>339924486
LoK is full of so many plotholes, nonsensical characters, and awful retcons that it's debatably one of the most blundered failures in history. Hennig is a hack.
It certainly has better writing than anything of Japanese origin. Japs are great at gameplay, but their writing is subpar.
>>339924721
you're a 4/10 at best
>>339926204
lol no, its writing holds up far better than any of Cuckmann's stories do
>>339923606
Why can't I get into The Last of Us?
I know most people here nowadays are woefully underage, but thats still PST.
>>339926156
That's not an argument. If we're breaking down why The Last of Us can't hold to films in terms of story due to being "unoriginal", then why does Vertigo get glowing praise and is considered the greatest film of all time for its story? That's unoriginal as can be with numerous detective thriller cliche's permeating every facet of it.
This is one of the most dramatic moments I've ever seen in a game, which it's weird because it's more or less a minor subplot.
>>339925874
It's actually very good.
>>339926283
Maybe you have a rare case of taste that's not utter shit.
the mother series has my favourite video game writing. i think it's the only game series that escapes the trap of 'good video game writing' and just becomes 'good writing'
>>339923606
Pretty much any game written by Chris Avellone has better writing than this.
>>339926540
I don't know. I liked MGSV.
>>339924751
>Nah, learn to appreciate minimalism.
>Ocarina's story is fantastic at showing, not telling.
That doesn't change the fact that Zelda games traditionally have a contrived rote video game-y plot. If we're even going by general storybook fantasy, it could nowhere touch Pinocchio or Sleeping Beauty in terms of grandeur, heart, and scale.
>>339923606
Yes. But that isn't a high bar at all.
>>339926273
go away Amy
>>339923606
>>339926582
Kek. Mother series is shit.
Legend of Dragoon and Vagrant Story are better.
>>339926721
Go away Kikemann
>>339926786
Elaborate
>>339926869
You first.
>>339926709
>>339926775
Or maybe not. Do the Witcher games have legitimately good writing? (And I include pacing and delivery when I say "writing")
>>339926893
The games are just fan fiction extensions of the books.
>>339926893
Compared to TLoU, yes
>>339923662
Haha no. It's utter genetic shite with an abysmal ending
>>339926893
Better than the terrible shit in the OP, but the writing overall is just decent.
>>339926889
I'm not that anon, I just want to know about Vagrant Story
>>339926992
Underagedb&s leave.
>>339924865
This looks awful.
>>339925291
>joel is pretty damn generic
Give me five characters that are basically the same as Joel if he's so generic.
>>339926273
I never thought TLoU was good... But Legacy of Kain is something people say is good while misunderstanding practically everything about critical analysis.
>Mobius paradoxically leaves a time-streaming device open to Kain despite having the foresight to know Kain would use it to foil him, handing his adversary the exact thing he needed.
>Vorador is regarded as the shepard of the vampires yet almost exclusively acts against their best interests throughout the series, notably attacking the circle completely unprovoked out of revenge which starts the vampire genocide.
>Mortanius' character is shown sacrificing himself in LoK willingly, it's revealed in Defiance he was actually in mental conflict with a Hylden possession to such a degree he couldn't control himself for more than a couple minutes at a time, making his acts in the conclusion of LoK impossible.
>Mobius could and should have stopped Mortanius from ever resurrecting Kain.
>The Elder God had no reason to let Raziel leave the abyss, even if it was to reave souls (kek) or kill Kain (an enemy who didn't actually become aware of the Elder until the end of the series). All he does is risk delivering his ultimate opponent the exact weapon he needs to defeat him.
>The "edge of the coin" moment was supposed represent when Kain and Raziel were free of the fate, but for some reason the Elder and Mobius continue to predict their actions.
>Paradoxes are (for reasons that are never explained) only catastrophic if they involve the Reaver.
It's a fucking mess. This shot just keeps going.
>>339926893
Yes.
>>339927109
Yet weebs say that's the best writing in games lol.
Let's just be brutally honest. The best writing in games pretty much belongs to Witcher series, Rockstar games, and Naughty Dog games. Nothing else can compete, and if you really have any true contention with this statement, then you give far too much credit to your silly little jrpg's. weebs.
The gameplay was meh but the writing is pretty great for videogame standardswhich are pretty lowbut weebs and contrarians can't accept that there might be a few positive things about this games so they'll use their shallow and fallacious arguments to make it look like the most unremarkable piece of shit ever.
>>339927187
Not him, but practically any morally grey, rugged "I lost my senpai-senpai in the apocalypse" character is going to have a similar caveat carved out to Joel. For example (and I know this isn't video) practically half the male characters in the Walking Dead could be a stand in for Joel.
>>339925238
More like it would look like shallow garbage to anyone with some decent taste.
>>339927315
Naughty Dogs have better writings by virtue of being linear. With open world, you do get more sub-plots, but the overall narrative is muddled. The pacing is off and long stretches often occur where nothing is happening. It's like if the book said ,"And then Marston went to play poker," and the next three hundred pages are just detailing his various poker games.
>>339925351
>literally child porn
>>339927492
Except Joel's a bad guy.
>>339927492
You're right for the wrong reasons. A character who has lost an important person and lives in a post-apocalyptic world will have similar traits but on closer inspection Joel is pretty different to most TWD characters. Expand a bit more on why they would be the same since I'm not convinced with your point yet.
>>339923606
I liked Ghost Trick's writing better.
>>339925213
>Nier is juvenile. That linked opening was entirely juvenile and sophomoric.
Well thanks for proving you've never played the game.
>>339927315
I personally think that Nier has plenty of unique storytelling concepts but some of the lines are pretty cringeworthy and don't work at all if you're not a shonenfag. This is probably a grip because of cultural differences but a lot of the time the characters don't talk like real people but anime people and that always rubs me the wrong way.
>>339927871
Nier can feel pretty juvenile at times though, also don't use the "you didn't played it!" card, it makes you look desperate.
>>339923606
Not when this game exists.
>>339923796
>good guy kills bad guy and save the princess
Give him an award
>>339927960
>Nier can feel pretty juvenile at times though
Explain.
>inb4 you focus mainly on Kaine
>>339926223
you're mom is 4/10 at best
>>339923606
>Does Last of Us have the best writing in all of video games?
>When Legacy of Kain and Silent Hill exist
>>339927871
I did play the game and it shares the same faults as Kojima games which is that the writing overall is tonally inconsistent with stints of sophomoric humor like johnny shitting his pants, and hermaphrodites telling flying books that they'll piledrive them. Any sort of emotional resonance the story tries to convey is INSTANTLY lost with these moments of juvenile levity. Tension is lost and emotional investment is lost because none of this feels human or genuine. It now feels forced and contrived like an 8-year old's first grab at creative writing.
>games with good writing
>no one mentions the best game that uses writing as gameplay
>>339928015
Not him, but it does suffer the anime trope of characters exclaiming how they feel or their motivations instead of just acting upon it.
>>339926786
Spot the Sonybabby.
>>339927683
How is he different? It's always the same character.
>Rough and curmudgeonly and emotionally isolated.
>Muh Garth Brooks-tier country deep-down hurtin' that I keep hidden.
>Heart of gold way deep down.
>Does monstrous things for their own morally gray greater good due to seeing wacky shit and plain selfishness.
>>339927654
I didn't say he wasn't, but he's not anyways. Literal survival of the fittest.
>>339928103
This. When TLoU attempts humor, it fits into the story and is used for exposition.
>>339928103
>if a work isn't 100% mawkish melodrama all the way through it's callow and childish
Ask me how I know you browse /lit/
>>339928103
>and hermaphrodites telling flying books that they'll piledrive them
Yeah that's really sophomoric. Totally on the same bar as poop jokes. Next you'll tell me Yakuza games are bad because they have a sense of humor to break up serious moments with over-the-top goofy shit.
>>339928221
The first Walking Dead has better writing. It even did the adopted daughteru story better.
>When you kept that hair short
>>339928208
No, he really is a bad guy. If it wasn't for Tess, he'd leave Ellie. He doesn't care about other survivors like how most heroes in post-apocalypse does.
>>339925616
more like it should have only been a movie. I hate games where you walk from cutscene to cutscene. oh, time for a firefight so you remember you're playing a game.
I would have enjoyed it more if it was just a movie.
>>339927683
Not the guy you're replying to, but I don't understand how he could get any more informative other than that, since saying that much just pretty much just provided most of his argument.
He's a middle-aged ruffened up guy with the stereotypical 5-o-clock shadow, handsome features, all that jazz that has worry lines due to his dark and troubled past that involves losing someone. All-around, that's a generic person to go as. The very idea of it could contribute to thinking of some other people.
It may sound a bit bitchy, but overall, I found myself playing out how his character development would go perfectly over the story, which was fucking obvious the second I got Ellie, and remarkably even before that. I never really cared for it. I couldn't, really, since Ellie never did anything for me outside of cutscenes and making remarkable quips.
The times where the game broke this predictable flow to actually develop their characters on their own is really where the whole fucking thing shines, and I'd actually like it more if The Last of Us was a poignant story about Ellie that remembered Joel (or vice-versa) as she traveled the remnants of the shit come to pass as she had flashbacks back to when he or she was still around.
Instead of that, though, we just get a safety net story about a guy who starts to think of a little girl as a put in for his dead daughter after bonding with her for a little bit, all brought up on the fact that he was a dick and that he deserved character development for that reason.
It's gauging, sure, but its nothing really mind-bogglingly beautiful. There's a whole lot more characters that I find myself way more attached to that do what they were trying to do with superfluous dialogue that borders on bad comic-book levels tier of exposition without so much a problem, or do it with just as much, but make every word amazingly worth it.
>>339928243
Yes the writing in Yakuza games is bad due to the goofy stuff. You need humor to bring nuance to a piece, but the humor has to be balanced and tonally consistent. The Last of Us fits this mold while still being dark, adult, and morally grey.
Ellie is the most annoying recent video game character I can think of. Also "muh daughter" is generic for Joel. just about any apocalypse survivor trope in any form of media has this. Also nothing happens the story.
>>339924684
>I would compare The Last of Us to Raging Bull if anything
Thats it. Im out.
>>339924684
>Zelda is terribly contrived video-game-y adventure stuff in terms of writing.
yes, it's a video gamebut this is bait isn't it
>>339928380
>Also nothing happens the story.
Confirmed never played it.
There's significant events and character growth over the course of the game.
>>339928213
>haha did you know Bill is gay
>lmao check out his porn mags
>big dicks haha jk lol
>>339923606
>>339923662
no
>>339923796
lol fuck off
>>339928339
Cinematic games definitely have a place in vidya industry. Too bad for you if you don't enjoy them.
>>339928451
>yes, it's a video game
And we're talking about writing.
>>339928213
>muh pun book
literally just thrown in
>>339924751
oh fuck off
>>339928369
>humor has to be serious
also TLoU's humor boils down to >>339928464
>>339928469
Thank you for contributing to the thread in such a meaningful way.
>>339928491
good bait my man
>>339928367
That's like saying Jason Bourne is like James Bond. Both white male, secret agents, mysterious past. And the whole thing is so terribly contrived, good guys versus bad guys. It's boring. Oh wait? What am I doing? Generalizing, what people do when they want to be contrarian but have no real argument.
>ITT: Everyone squabbles over second place
Final fantasy Tactic and Lisa are probably better than whatever movie ND came up with.
>>339928319
You're attributing his lack of heroics and desire not to be saddled with a burdensome child as being "bad", making me question if you understand the word.
This is actually something that happens all the time in this genre.
Nothing he does is evil so much as selfish, and those are two different things. Only the cannibals could really be considered evil.
>>339925101
Hell yeah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00efdE5CD7A
>>339928573
Prove me wrong.
>>339928464
>game never outright states Bill is gay
>humor is used to bond the two
>never gets too crass by actually saying "penis" or "dick"
Seems like well written humor to me
>>339928578
This. Stop being contrarian for one fucking second, /v/. Sorry your anime games don't get attention, but frankly that's because they're utter shit an you're the ones with shit taste.
>>339924865
who is this cute looking christian girl
>>339923606
No. KOTOR 2 does.
Reminder that this did everything TLOU did story wise, and did it much better
>>339928631
He tortures and kills non-threatening people.
>>339928631
He used to be a hunter. He and his colleague murdered a defenseless man. He personally killed two men who were tied up in cold blood. He is a bad guy.
>>339928634
>Narrating what you're doing in front of the audience
You don't know what good writing is.
>>339928754
Not a game
>>339928686
>Saying "penis" or "dick" is too crass
What the fuck
Plus, none of those thing you quoted showed that the humor was well written.
>humor is used to bond the two
So what, if the humor is used to make the player laught then it's "tonaly inconsistent" or some bullshit like this?
>>339928424
That's not an argument.
>>339928458
>He disagrees so he didn't play it
but I did play it, and you're full of shit. Their relationship progresses but not them as characters. Also when I say nothing happens I mean plot
>>339928875
It has about the same level of gameplay as TLOU though
Nothing in Last of Us was as much of a gutpunch as losing P.F.
>>339928686
>game never outright states Bill is gay
Except when Bill outright says the dude hanging from the ceiling is is lover.
>bond the two
Now you're stretching.
>never gets too crass by actually saying "penis" or "dick"
Well it's an underage girl, so replace crass with downright creepy.
If you think it's well written humor, you probably like Adam Sandler movies.
>>339928948
>Their relationship progresses but not them as characters
Ellie becomes independent. You have no argument.
>>339928367
I have to disagree.
While The Last of Us is remarkably pedestrian throughout the development of Joel and Ellie's relationship, the two key things which elevate it are left mostly unsaid and left for the player to figure out for themselves.
First is Joel's background. While he's initially presented as a mercenary, he only ends up doing the right thing, initially, because Tess died for it and his life, such as it was, got completely fucked over.
You're left with the impression that Joel was a guy just trying to survive in the years between the prologue and the start of the main plot, but throughout the story you get very subtle hints that Joel was, at times, just as bad (if not worse) than some of the people he winds up protecting Ellie from. He instantly recognizes a trap based on the fact he probably pulled the same trick, etc, etc.
The player is left to fill in the details, but one gets the impression Joel was a very, very bad man.
The other point which elevates it is the vague ending. Joel and Ellie in the truck, after Joel reverted to his old, bad self and selfishly killed a bunch of Fireflies, as well as the closest thing to a maternal figure Ellie had. Joel spins his lie, but Ellie's acceptance of his story is just doubtful enough that you, the player, are left to wonder if she accepts it, whether she's accepting it but has her doubts, or whether she doesn't believe it and just accepts that Joel was Joel and some bad shit went down he doesn't want to have to explain.
I will say this about it, though. The performance of Joel and Ellie's actors really helped elevate the story as a whole. It would not have worked nearly a quarter as well without some very, very strong performances, which we got.
>>339928875
I said the story was better, not the game itself.
>>339928960
Kek no.
You actually have to control your characters, fight enemies, and use environmental awareness in The Last of Us on grounded.
oh god not more "my humor is superior to yours" faggots
fucking summer
best written video games are by Jane Jensen.
>>339929043
Not really, she just slightly grows up due to her situation. Even if so that's hardly all that deep or well written.
I feel like you'd think Life is Strange has a good story
>>339929124
We're comparing game stories. Compare Walking Dead to David Cage interactive flicks.
>>339928686
>13/14 year old who yells fuck and shit every second sentence
>dick and penis are crass
>>339923606
>I play video games for the writing
>>339929142
>You actually have to control your characters, fight enemies, and use environmental awareness in The Last of Us on grounded.
That's a funny way to say "Generic 3rd person shooting"
>>339929048
we live in a world where people think this is deep.
>>339923606
No but probably the best loli.
>>339928998
Partner does not automatically equal lovers. Cops are partners, but they don't have sexual relations with each other, usually. And before the exchange, Ellie was in the backseat, but by the end of it, she was in the front seat, sort of symbolic of where she stands with Joel afterwards.
>>339928935
Humor is inconsistent when it doesnt flow naturally with the rest of the story.
>>339924898
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ujPuCJSVeI
>>339929226
>killing people and stealing is okay
>rape is not
Such is the world we live in, bruh.
I liked New Order's writing better honestly.
>This ain’t war, but the breaking of seals. The undoing of life itself.
I know a lot of people don't think it fits Wolfenstein but I thought the mix of serious and over the top was interesting. The scene with BJ in Fergus room is amazing imo.
>>339923606
Give up, OP. You're not going to get any decent mature answers from the least mature, least cultured board on the site.
Really, you shouldn't even be asking 4chan this question at all. They will fight tooth and nail to prove to you Neptunia is a better game than any Grand Theft Auto just because more 13 year olds play GTA than Nep.
>Video games are trying to become movies
If the player can't affect the story, it's inherently a bad video game story.
>>339923606
Easily not. The writing is pretty meh but the atmosphere and characters are done rather well.
>>339929357
>Partner does not automatically equal lovers
You would have to be pretty fucking dense not to have picked up on it.
>>339929417
No, I'm pretty sure they're all considered crimes, so yeah.. you're a moron.
>>339929478
>If the player can't affect the story, it's inherently a bad video game story.
So only rpg's count?
>>339929473
Nep > GTA
>>339929357
who the fuck made you king of humor
shut the fuck up
you sound like those cringeworthy fedoraboyz 16 year olds who pretend to get British humor because you think it makes you look more intellectual
>>339929497
Go to war and shoot the enemies, they give you a medal. Go to war and rape people, see what happens to you then.
>>339924252
>>339923952
>>339924470
>>339924487
>thinking any mgs has good writing
The stories are good, the writing is shit.
>>339929406
God, I will never get what they were thinking with this.
>>339929491
>Easily not. The writing is pretty meh
Then what is the best in video games? I'd really like to hear your answer. What is it? Nier, Drakengard, or Undertale?
>>339929425
>that pretentious shit
>good
Nah, man
>>339923606
It's shit, not open world, how you can have a SURVIVAL ZOMBIE GAME as a LINEAR game is beyond me, fucking dipshits.
>>339929576
Bruh, there's a place for sophomoric humor. I can even enjoy a few swears occasionally. But to have a dialogue shove in swear words and explicitives in order to get a laugh and then call the work anything but lowbrow is absurd.
>>339929661
Not him, but Pathologic
>>339929661
New Vegas completely shits on TLoU in terms of writing I don't even think NV has the best game writing
>>339929586
Nothing. There have been plenty of rapes during wars that had zero consequences. Stop trying to sound profound, you just sound idiotic.
>>339928578
Except Jason Bourne got away from being James Bond with unique characterization over the movies that set himself away from being too flaunderized. If anything, James Bond got more like Jason Bourne as time went on, so I mean, whatever dog.
>>339929048
Like I said, I really loved the game for how it managed to pull off developing those characters outside of the daughter/father flow that the entire gameplay was focusing on without too much to really help it.
You get Ellie sometimes helping you out, but the other times its just her running around and being seen or doing shit that would of cost her her life in that given situation without so much a scratch. Pretty much every single follower did this, but for Ellie to really be the focus on that system and still fall victim to the same shit is really kind of what bothers me the most.
She at least gave clear indication of helping out Joel with little moments in-between where she did some shit outside of just being a snarky little girl that tries to develop trust through words, but overall, I found myself loving her character the second I actually got time to actually play as her without anyone else around (the Winter segment), which, again, broke the flow of the game.
I guess without that breakage of flow, it wouldn't of been as good as if it constantly did that sort of thing without the surrogate father/daughter thing, but hell, man.
>>339928789
DOOM has the best story for videogames. Suck it pseudo-intellectuals
>>339929697
Resident Evil also is fucking shit by this logic, you're absolutely right
>>339929706
>still going on about "sophomoric humor"
>actually says bruh
>>339929697
You imply open world is always a good thing.
>>339929697
TloU is shit but not everything needs to be open world you mongloid.
>>339929753
That's my point, bruh. Anything can be generalized to sound similar. The fact is TLoU has distanced itself from the usual zombie games with its superb narrative and focus on characters and their growth instead of the zombies, just like how Jason Bourne and Bond are different.
>>339929725
So basically Fallout 1 has the best writing in the history of vidya.
No voice acting has some close to the Master's final lines, that were voiced by two VAs.
>>339929830
>reductive reasoning and strawmen
>>339926416
>>339925879
>considered the greatest film of all time for its story
Even Hitchcock fans consider Vertigo as just "okay", and it's not for the story, but for the directing. Dial M for Murder had clearly superior writing over Vertigo, and even then it's not one of the best in cinema.
>>339929921
whoa nice terms bruh you sure sound smart
you're so intellectually superior that you only laugh at mature humor for mature humorists like yourself - such as vines right?
what vidya actually has good writing
Do you like The Last of Us?!
If you do, you're sure to like Sweet Tooth! That's because they completely ripped it off wholesale and the game does not have a single original bit of writing.
>>339929858
In the case of zombie horror-survival games, it is. The idea that you should be forced to do certain things and take certain paths in a SURVIVAL game, where decision making should reign free, is moronic.
>>339929890
>The fact is TLoU has distanced itself from the usual zombie games with its superb narrative and focus on characters and their growth instead of the zombies
Walking Dead did it first and did it better.
>>339923606
No.
>>339929425
>hurr durr let's go to a secret cavern at the bottom of the fucking ocean so we can learn ancient Jewish knowledge to defeat the Nazis.
>good writing
Kill yourself.
>>339929725
>NV
>Good writing
I'm sick of this meme. Just because it has better writing than Bethesda's game does not mean it is good
>>339930014
We've been over thisDOOM
>>339924121
No, because I love story driven games and I just can't care about the world or the characters. I've tried to play throughout multiple times and I just can't give a shit about the story. The gameplay is alright but I think the story itself is the lamest post-apocalyptic nonsense I've ever experienced.
A good story makes you care about the characters, where they came from, and what happens to them. I just don't care about the characters in TLoU. Joel is unlikable (on purpose, so I guess they did that right) but so is the little girl that I care so little about that 3 partial playthroughs later I can't remember her name.
Perhaps part of it is that the gameplay is just so grueling (again, a good stylistic decision in theory) that the game seems like too much work to learn more about characters that are just worthless pieces of shit from beginning to end. At no point during my playthroughs of TLoU do I ever feel like I'm having fun or being entertained. Frustrating stealth sequence leads into frustrating combat sequence and for all my trouble I end up getting a cutscene of Joel being a surly fuck and teenaged girl being a standoffish teenage girl. Sure, the characters are realistic but that doesn't make them compelling.
Feel free to tell me I have terrible taste but I have tried to like the game so much but I just can't. It just seems like it's trying too hard and that turns me off something fierce.
>>339930007
BRUH
>>339930019
You're gonna have to explain the correlation between the two. Sweet Tooth was a fucking ice cream man with his head set on fire by a priest.
>>339930002
No, Vertigo is praised for its story foremost. You're an idiot.
It's also no. 1 on Sight and Sound.
>>339930065
Walking Dead did do it first, but it's fast wasn't as good as TLoU's.
>>339930014
Fucking Planescape Torment
Fallout 1
>>339930124
I didn't say it was good, I said it was better than the writing in TLoU, which is true.
>>339930124
It was good for an RPG, and a game meant to fix 3's major fuckups.
>>339930167
*cast
>>339930203
Excuse me, this board is for people who started playing video games last gen.
>>339930014
That depends on what you mean by "writing"
>character development and motivations
>lore
>the actual narrative, i.e., the plot as it happens
>dialogues
These can all be considered "writing" and some game does one area better than the other. Frankly though, Final Fantasy 13 has the best writing in the medium.
>>339930167
>but it's cast wasn't as good as TLoU's.
Big Boat says otherwise
Ok, since /v/ will never reach a consensus of what is no. 1, can we all at least agree The Last of Us is ONE of the best in terms of writing? As well as Witcher 3?
>>339929425
That ending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiTn4j7gVvY
>>339927187
Looks Like Nathan Drake and Shepard mashed together.
If the Last of Us isn't generic, i don't know what is.
>IT'S TOTALLY NOT ZOMBIES GUISE, IT'S A VIRUS!
>>339930328
You're retarded.
>>339930389
Amazing performance and well directed but it's story and writing are pretty lacking
>>339930480
Elaborate.
>>339930389
hell no. It was boring. If you couldn't completely guess the whole story before you even played it you're probably retarded.
>>339929614
killself.exe
>>339930572
What about Witcher 3 and GTA 4?
>>339923606
No that would be this game
>>339928520
It's true. Nice argument though.
>>339930678I actually haven't played those games
>>339930540
Every big moment between and Ellie and Joel was really predictable
Tough guy doesn't want to get involved in a big mess, ends up doing it anyway because muh hero
Talks about pawning her off for the greater good only to change his mind later because muh hero has a heart after all
Finally finishes job but realises girl is now more important than job and some say his heart grew 3 times the size that day
Outside winter everything Ellie and Joel could be seen coming a mile away
>>339930676
Pseudo-intellectual ramblings from a freshman philosophy major with sense of humor of a teenage boy
Metal gear is shit.
oh but DUDE NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION THROUGH MEMES LMAO XD
DUDE MERYL'S BUTT LMAO XD
DUDE JOHNNY SHIT HIS PANTS LMAO XD
Fuck off.
>>339930124
Name some games this gen or last gen that have comparable standards.
>>339930682
Cast and setting yes but VLR had better writing
>>339929406
im glad i wasnt the only who felt uncomfortable watching that.
>>339930389
No. The crux of the story, Joel's decision that saving humanity isn't worth it if it means sacrificing the only person he sees as worth saving, is ruined by the fact that the fireflies' plan was fucking retarded and wouldn't have worked.
If that issue were fixed, then the story would be alright for a book or movie, but I think good writing for a video game means writing that plays to the advantages of the medium, like Planescape: Torment.
>>339930894
>Last of Us is better
>>339930894
Project harder please.
>>339931034
>deflection
>>339929890
I just rebuked your point to say how that Jame's Bond actively got less and less about creative mob-like villians that fit the niche of a Saturday morning cartoon except on full-time serious mode to become more like the very thing that you were comparing it to to not be generalized in the state of how they got more and more serious and action-y compared to the suave flow of the originals, and you go on to say that, "Oh yeah, anything can be generalized to sound similar!" ?
How the fuck does that even make any sense.
Read my previous points. I wrote about how I did understand Joel's character as well as loved him outside of the father/daughter aspect. It's the very moments where he fits into the niche that got annoying, up to the point where when the entire game focuses on it, it might as well be the case, since he's got the face, the attitude, literally everything.
It wouldn't be generalizing if he didn't really fit the bill that fucking hard. If we're still going off on the Jason Bourne/James Bond example, then that's a perfect case on how to make two characters with the same set-up different and unique, with Bond being a subtle parody of a ladies-man agent that saves the world and everything, and Jason Bourne a well-rounded one man against them all machine that takes a more serious note to the occasion.
I understand how the two differ. The thing being is that Joel doesn't really differ since the entire game focuses on pushing him into being that very thing that he tried hard to avoid being. Those parts where he wasn't that was beautiful, like I previously stated. I know its generalizing, but for fuck's sake, dude, whenever a game pushes him into being like that so that everyone and their mother can understand the concept of "character development" in the most barebones way of practical application on top of follower mechanics that break the rules of the game constantly, that's when I raise an eyebrow.
>>339930986
Zero escape is the best example I can think of that blends gameplay and story
You make choices and create different outcomes, then load the story again to make different choices and get another outcome, the main character has the abilities to remember things he's already experienced in other timelines
>>339930894
>Pseudo-intellectual ramblings from a freshman philosophy major with sense of humor of a teenage boy
You sound like an absolute moron who is simply projecting.
>>339931265
>>339931039
Hi, samefag!
>>339931416
no
>>339931265
Insults aren't a counter-argument.
But please do tell me how Volgin stroking Snake's balls before torturing him, Raiden doing naked cartwheels, and Johnny shitting his pants for an hour is good writing. Please do tell.
>>339931535
There's nothing to "argue". My sense of humor is more mature than yours is not an argument.
Also it's Japanese humor. It's meant to be stupid and over-the-top. But I guess you were too busy being intellectually superior and offended to actually get it.
>>339929406
I don't see the problem with it. There was so much going on: helicopters in the sky, other jeeps on the ground so I didn't think it was too awkward.
Even if it was somewhat awkward, so what? Why shouldn't a game include those kind of moments too?
>>339931664
>Also it's Japanese humor.
That's not Jap humor. That's just shitty anime humor injected into a shitty game.
Good Jap writing is Tokyo Story. There are jokes i Tokyo Story that feel overall connected and consistent with the material.
Now look at Metal Gear. How am I supposed to be even slightly invested in the story if the characters are relegated to cardboard cartoon characters in immature gags every few seconds?
