Any good reason you didn't play サクラノモリ†ドリーマーズ?
You like Persona 4, right?
I love videogames!
>You like Persona 4, right?
Oh god no.
I-I'm relearning Hiragana right now and I'm moving to Katakana next. I don't understand what you're saying.All for you, my sweet.
>>339905518
Why did you throw one kanji in with the katakana?
I don't remember this in P4.
>>339905752
There's no kanji.
† is a cross mark included in the title.
>>339905659
It spells out Sakura no Mori + Dreamers, I think.
Honestly, learning the kana and getting to read romaji's the easy part.I still haven't learned the kanji
>>339906612
Kinda lol how you post like learning kana and kanji are in any way comparable hurdles, just one easy and one hard.
In reality one's nothing and one's neverending ordeal.
>it's an "i just started learning the hiragana xd :3" episode
probably my least favorite episode in the history of ever
>>339905767
>incest
gay
>>339906720
They just don't know yet. Be nice, maybe some of them will persevere and even read 2ch one day.
>>339906612
>I still haven't learned the kanji
I feel like you have a fundamental misunderstanding about learning Japanese.
>>339906842
*I still haven't learned many kanji
Better?
>>339906720
You called me jackass before.
Take it back.
>>339906710
If by neverending you mean a couple years to read 99%+ of everything you encounter, sure.
>>339906842
You can speak a language without being able to write it. Just look at English.
日本語を習いません? どうして?
>It's a I'm learning japanese thread
>tfw you just keep grinding out kanji words every day and it feels like your going nowhere
>>339907438
日本語の勉強に奮闘しているが、日本美人と交際を申し込むはずがない
>>339907438
You should wait few years before you act all though, that unnatural Japanese is too striking.
Of course claiming other's Japanese is unnatural is way too generic of an insult and way too easy to use whenever, even when you yourself have no idea, but in your can it's obvious.
These negative questions poised like you did "日本語を習いません?" are normally used when you're inviting other people to do something, as in "Won't you [try] study[ing] Japanese?". You intent of course was "Why aren't you studying Japanese yet?" for which your sentence is painfully unfit.
>>339907675
>it's a japanese learning thread
>Still not learning Japanese
>Still learning Mandarin
>Still only able to read the kanji and not the squiggle-lines
>Still questioning validity of your life choices
yeah boy we in it now
>>339907818
How would I go about asking what I actually intended?
>>339908071
どうして君たちは日本語を狙っていませんか?
>>339908204
習って*
>>339908204
>>339908278
Put in まだ. And 勉強する is better than 習う, unless you specifically mean the nuance of 習う as per:
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1011628000
>習う・・・人から教わること
I'm currently doing Genki, and I'm wondering if I should pace myself and make notes. How did you fags go about using Genki 1?
I've also been using Anki for the vocab that they listed in the first few chapters.
陰茎がおいしいだよですです
>>339907996
>learning any east asian language
waste of time
>>339908621
ばかですおにいちゃん!!! =3=
私はビデオゲームが大好き!
sakuranomi dreamers?
never heard of it.
>>339908720
Same desu
>>339905767
>He didn't get the Nanako scenes
>>339905518
Still reading 戦国†恋姫X
wa-watashi wa
no ntr no play
>>339905659
>Tfw you can read Hiragana and Katakana perfectly fine but you still barely have a handle on any vocab or grammar, let alone kanji
This is gonna take a while
Hopefully I can get a grip on it by the time DQXI comes out
答えてください!
>>339909213
write in english first, retard
>>339907675
>Get sick of all the grinding.
>Get a parser for all that kanji BS
>Finally read that VN you alway wanted to play
>Be satisfied
Ohayo!
>>339907675
>it feels like your going nowhere
Then go put that knowledge to use by reading stuff
eigo de ok
I will never get the motivation to learn japanese
>>339909647
i will never get WHY people learn japanese
>>339909265
プリーズレスポンド
What games are you learning Japanese for /v/? I'm doing it so I can play Atelier games earlier and visual novels. I might start reading books again too.
>>339909750
>he writes in katakana
>a script where every character looks the fucking same
>>339909647
>>339909768
>What games are you learning Japanese for /v/?
All.
日本語を勉強しているなら、ここに行かないことの方がいいよ。ここには悪い人が多いでしょ。その人があなたのことを笑って思う。
>>339909647
>start reading a LN for almost 12 hours daily since last week
>1200 cards due
jesus fuck
>>339909957
fucking faggot hahahaha
>>339909957
What a stupid post.
>>339909172
>Tfw you can read Hiragana and Katakana fine but you are still slow as ass and mess up often when you aren't paying attention.
>>339909957
>ことの方
w
>>339906720
What should they learn first, then, asshole?
>>339910041
>12 hours daily
1200 is nothing if you are working that much.
>>339909768
Super Robot Wars and Dragon Quest mainly
>>339909713
My main motivation was being able to read Danganronpa 2, Dies Irae and untranslated porno.
>>339909713
Because I series I enjoy has literally zero chance for 90% of the games coming out in English due to the copyright clusterfuck it would entail anywhere outside of Japan
And then the other 10% don't come out here anyways
>>339909768
I wanna play Growlanser 1 and Queens Gate on my psp and actually read what's going on.
>>339909713
I don't know japanese, but I learned english for videogames and it is one best things I ever did.
>>339911018
well yeah english is actually useful in the real world at least
>>339906710
It doesn't even take that long, providing that you are studying it diligently and sticking with it. A quick learner can get a pretty good grasp of the Kanji you'll see in games and comics in under a year. If you dick about it might take you much longer, don't build up barriers. Self sabotage is stupid.
I tried learning japanese a few years ago and crashed and burned mostly because I was barely trying.
I'm actually trying this time and I've memorized hiragana/katakana again. I'm going to pick up a genki textbook soon.
>>339911091
>the real world
I literally only use it for playing videogames and shitposting on 4chan. I think entertainment is a fair enough reason to learn a language; if you can find a more 'pratical' use for it, then its even better, but it certainly isn't necessary.
>>339911908
good for you for picking it back up again. there will always be frustrating periods while learning any language but if you keep at it you will see results.
How to you increase the amount of cards you want to study in aniki? I only get 100 cards and 20 news words to learn a day.
>>339912156
Thanks, anon! Back a while ago once I learning all the kana I pretty much just gave up when I realized how much progress I still had left to go.
Luckily I didn't completely forgot all the kana over the past few years, but I got a bit spotty on it so I'm just brushing up on it now.
Once I'm able to scrape together some money I'm going to buy the Genki I textbook. It seems people say that's a good place to start.
>>339912192
>aniki
You can't seriously be this retarded. RTFM.
>this thread
wwwwwwwwwwwwwww
>>339907306
Aiming to be an illiterate is a terrible idea for any language.
What's the easiest way to learn how to read Japanese without speaking it?
>>339912864
Stare at childrens' drawings of a house.
ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
>>339913235
>>339905518
>using the title rendered in Japanese in the middle of an English sentence
Fuck's sake
>>339913421
私は諦めたいです!
>>339907675
Step 1) Learn kana
Step 2) Learn grammar
Step 3) Learn vocab (also do this while learning grammar obviously)
Step 4) APPLICATION
Simply grinding Anki decks will do you NO good.
Read manga.
Play games.
Watch TV.
Listen to music.
USE the language.
This also helps you learn new words. Stick every new word you come across into Anki.
頑張れ、名無しくん
学んで行け!!
>>339908537
Personally, I just read through Genki I and II. I've got a bit of a knack for learning languages, so I absorbed most of it on the first run through.
If you feel like you need notes, take notes.
>>339913504
>>339909713
I'm learning because it's fun and I like the language.
Practically speaking, I will be able to use it for fun stuff like games, TV, manga, music, whatever.
But I'd also like to become a translator/localizer if at all possible.
I've done some shitty amateur translations of things here and there and I really enjoy the feeling of using this skill to share something to other people who would otherwise have to miss out.
>>339906612
Oh, that's supposed to be a plus sign. I thought it was a Kanji I didn't know.
>>339906720
I know some kanji and conjugations as well actually
Where the fuck do I learn Japanese? Hell, where did YOU learn Japanese?
>>339916583
Study the hiragana and katakana symbols. Memorize them.
After that probably buy one of those Genki textbooks. That's what I'm doing at least.
>>339908537
Do you have the CD audio files? Those are pretty helpful if you want to do more than just reading and writing
I find my weakpoint is listening, so I make sure that after finishing a chapter I can go through all of the recordings and understand what's being said without having to pause to think
>>339916583
Genki is a good system, make sure you have both the workbook and textbook
Sakura Forest Dreamers? Never heard of it.
I thought persona people hate it becausethey hate games with taste. I wish it had better OST though.
>>339917310
Is it worth the cost, though?
>>339919006
I have found it worth the cost personally,though I'm also doing it as part of a uni subject so I have an actual japanese person helping to go through it too
Doing it on your own may be different
>>339919314
>tfw I'll have to self-teach
Can't say I'm not jealous, anon. I'm probably going to order the Genki 1 textbook and workbook tomorrow.
Is Amazon the cheapest website to get it new with the CD?
>>339919689
I'm an ausfag and I got it at a shop called kinokunya, and that was the cheapest price I could find (which added up to about 100 AU dollarydoos)
I have no idea what the market's like in america
>>339916583
Everyone should take at least one class with a native speaker teacher. A bunch of people here will tell you they completely self-studied, but you'll notice their fundamentals are pretty bad in a way a native could easily point out. Also you'll be able to hear how a native person speaks, and you'll also probably be able to practice speaking with classmates.
>>339920186
Damn. I dont have any local shops like that sadly.
Ordering both the workbook and textbook off amazon is going to add up to around ~$80 USD I think. It's worth it though.
I have actually started to learn japanese this week and I got the kana memorized no problem and am now currently in the kanji grind.
If I can keep a good tempo with my learning, will I be able to reach a level where I can somewhat play Persona 5 now in September? I don't really care if it's going to be slow with me having to look up a lot of words, I just want to be able to get a good understanding of what's going on in the game.
>>339921706
You'll need to have some understanding of the grammatical structure. Memorising the kana and kanji won't really help you understand sentences
>>339921889
Of course, I'm planning to learn that alongside learning kanji
>>339907996
lol
>I'm going to learn a new language!
>get as far as their alphabet/pronunciation
>drop it
>repeat
I know like 8 different fucking alphabets but not a word in any of the languages
Why do I keep doing this
>>339908204
>君
LOL
Wish I could be bothered to learn Japanese. I can't though; if I had the ability/motivation that would let me learn, I probably would be doing better things with my life and not just watching anime and playing videogames. And being on here.
How long will it take for me to learn enough Jap to be able to read DQX and DQXI no problem? I don't give a fuck about using it in any other way really besides being able to play a few Japan-only games no problem.
>just over halfway through 6k
>reviews are starting to take more than an hour a day
>>339922089
I'm more interested in anon's steel industry job
That sounds like interesting work
>>339920625
ふふ
俺様は全部自習ですぜ
本物の日本人、全然要らねぇ
>>339921706
>will I be able to reach a level where I can somewhat play Persona 5 now in September?
No. Not at all.
>>339922089
I hope he's okay
>>339923057
How come? If it follows the pattern from 3 and 4 the game will be like 95% text that you can advance through as slowly as you'd like. If I get a good grip on the grammar and take my time with each dialogue box shouldn't I be able to understand most of it?
>>339923872
You will probably not get a good enough grip on the grammar, and even if you do, you will almost certainly get frustrated and bored looking up as much vocab as you would have to.
>>339923872
You're giving yourself less than half a year to know a full language.
Life isn't like those "learn Japanese in 90 days" books.
Take your time. Relax.
>>339923872
It'll probably take you hours to understand a simple 10 minute scene. You'll have to look up all of the vocab, by either writing the kanji or finding it by radicals, and then you'll be stuck trying to understand a ton of grammar you probably haven't come across before. Even then you'll only get the basic gist of a sentence.
Persona is a really text heavy game, you'll probably get sick of trying to decipher it a few hours in.
>>339922208
why did i laugh
why
what have you done to me /v/ ?
>>339924579
Ah okay. I haven't dived to deep into learning the grammar yet but from what I've seen from some sentences I've encountered it doesn't feel like it should be THAT hard. I guess I'm wrong about that though.
>>339925050
>>339925359
I thought I would be able to learn a lot as I go through the game, as it's bound to have some repeating kanji and patterns I could pick up on, but I guess it's just going to be too overwhelming with everything new I have to learn?
>>339925713
Once you've got a handle on fundamental grammar it probably is best to just dive into something and wrangle with it until you get the hang of it, but don't underestimate the amount of kanji you'll be looking up.
>>339925713
You just won't have enough time from now to the release to know enough to decipher Japanese bullshit.
Give yourself a bit more time. Maybe half a year to a year. A language is tough shit, anon.
>>339925713
Yeah it'll be too overwhelming and you'll get burned out.
Persona 4's opening was over 2 hours of just just text and dialogue.
Start with something easier like a kid's manga.
>>339907996
>learning mandarin for a year
>start self teaching japanese
>kanji is ezpz
>actually havingfun
If you're having doubts you can just start jap and space it out or drop mandarin entirely if its really bothering you that much. there's diminishing returns the deeper you get and its fun to hop from one to the other if you want to pick up another language. your use of "validity" is kind of telling, just do what make you happy m8.
>>339925938
>>339925949
>>339926287
Aight, thanks for the input. I guess I will keep on grinding kanji and sentences until I feel confident I can make it through the game as a reasonable pace.
I probably won't be seeing it for a while but how do you understand slang?
>>339926421
>>339926515
Persona 5 will be out in the West before that happens
>>339926515
You can do it anon, I believe in you.
>>339926592
its sad that i really want to eat these despite them being made up of sugar and salt primarily
IM A SLAVE
I fucking despise Persona 4. It's a horrible, insulting game.
Feels good man
>>339927235
Holy fuck.
Nice going, anon.
>tfw I started to learn Japanese 5 months ago
>tfw when I can read basic/intermediate stuff but if I watch a video, I understand nothing
How can I improve my listening comprehension .__.
>>339907675
>your
You should learn English first.
>>339927235
>weak with 咲、預、畑、為、監、督、汗、狂、添、汲、羽 etc.
How? Those come up all the time.
>>339927235
Feels useless man
Learning jap is the biggest waste of time ever, stop while you can.
>>339929757
>and I base this on absolutely nothing
Some people like to actually learn something for the sake of learning it. It's a challenge and a puzzle and kind like some twisted form of magic when shit starts making sense.
It becomes addicting.
>>339929595
For me it depends on what kind of vocab they're being used in and how similar they are to others. I only got 狂う wrong because I mixed it up with 狙う for example
>>339930921
Ahh. That makes sense.
>>339930921
You need to play more denpa VNs, then you'll know 狂 anytime.
>he says 'desoo'
>>339932920
Shut it you fucking slut. Go take some little jap cock. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>339928382
Watch Japanese live action TV (not anime)
Join an online speaking practice website
