What did they mean by this?
>>339859805
The pyramid heads represented the protag's want for punishment. After he buried his guilt over what he did, they're had no reason to keep living.
It looks off without film grain.
>>339860571
But why are there two PHs? Single PH could have served the exact same purpose.
And then you find two eggs on them, one is 'fresh', the other is 'rusty'.
Also, why was there a need to fight them? Once James overcame his guilt, shouldn't they have just... walked away?..
James is too strong the only escape is death
>>339860852
One is the guilt of killing Mary, the other is the guilt of letting Maria get killed.
One is 'fresher' in his mind, the other is an older memory.
Just wanted to post in this thread to say that I love how this game still talked about. It's still being interpereted in different ways, and it's still being loved. RIP Silent Hill.
>>339864037
Nice, didn't think about that.
>>339864728
Yeah, I wish /v/ talked Silent Hill more often.
There's very little to do in SH threads anymore, besides answer newbies' questions.
Glad to see that new players keep finding this series after all these years, and actually enjoy it.
Anyway, if there's some potential newcomers lurking ITT, thinking of getting into the SH series, you can get and play the original four titles on PC, for free. Follow this guide, and get the games from these DL links:
SH1 NTSC DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!bVUCTJzD!PmnPw4S7fWGyvTjw9S0-RQdk7rRp2BQNuXJqRkZCZvk
SH2 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!rFcj1SIJ!47JH9M4OrzmQKuaiJ6IqUgmgz_SVNtk4LIYNSa-D-_8
SH2 torrent:
https://mega.nz/#!bYcEnbhC!rYnhvcJiRC46T6yExS0Y61JHZ-5N3WxFvfZMI8xbyhE
SH3 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!2JNkgJ7b!nfPf5cIs6I5K-sdAs7RcnHvGA2hAvIGdpQuIoBhF3iE
SH3 torrent:
https://mega.nz/#!GVVGRLpD!SyklVbuLIkc38ZYji5QL3sWHKtHt9-Bto700My8pH7c
SH4 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!Us1XTaII!cglH0dZOaH5yQEm4cnEh3eyUz4bIf6rACQqcVzkb4Hc
Mount the ISOs of 2 & 3, and then run their installers like always.
The SH1 is a PS1 rip that you gotta emulate.
The "sh2proxy" fix works as a no-cd crack as well, and is included in the pack.
In case you experience issues saving the game / not being able to edit the disp.ini, make sure the files aren't set to "Read Only", and run the game as Administrator.
If SH2 gets stuck in a black screen upon launch, close it and re-start it again.
>>339865679
>Yeah, I wish /v/ talked Silent Hill more often.
more than almost daily, like the tend to do?
>>339867147
I visit /v/ every day and I almost never see SH threads.
>>339867018
Already downloaded the entire series, but thanks anyway, maybe someone else will make use of this.
>>339859805
I always heard that one was supposed to be more brown, representing old dried blood, and the other was supposed to be red, representing fresh blood. But they both look brown here. Are my eyes just fucked up or was that always some fan bullshit, like some THAT KID rumor?
>>339867494
It's hard to say. The one on the left does seem a little more 'red', but that just might be the lighting.
>>339867483
SH gets brought up actively in most horror-game and Konami threads, and even gets its own thread at least once a week or so.
I've personally put up color-filters to the Catalog to highlight my favorite game topics, SH being one of them.
Still, glad to see rookies enjoy the series. Hope you've been going through them in release order, and either are, or will do replays later on. Especially SH3 really requires deeper knowledge of SH1 to "open up" properly.
>>339867494
been an active fan since SH1 came out, and I've never heard that theory before.
There was this fairly nicely fitting one about the 2nd PH appearing onceJames offs Eddie, though. The rusty and clean eggs are pretty obvious references though.
>>339867957
>Hope you've been going through them in release order, and either are, or will do replays later on.
I'm playing SH2 -> SH -> SH3 -> SH4 -> the rest.
I might replay them some time in the future, sure. SH2 had the sort of atmosphere you start longing for after a while, although I doubt the secondary experience will be as amazing.
>>339868760
>although I doubt the secondary experience will be as amazing.
considering you can not only change the difficulty levels and thus get totally different sort of gameplay experiences, the 6 very different endings should also keep you interested of going back.
I'm still more of a SH1 guy myself, but I love 2 to bits as well. I've literally played SH2 some good ~30 times by now, on 4 different platforms, and I still get the itch to go back to it from time to time, and occasionally even read or find something I'd not known before.
Same thing with SH1, which I've scanned through a biiit more extremely, with some 40-or-so playthroughs, last time couple months ago. It's just amazing game.
>>339864037
This is false actually. The other was the guilt of killing Eddie (he killed another human being) although by the time he killed Eddie he was still repressing Mary's death.
So the two PH are for the two people he killed since he felt guilt for both of their deaths. The fresh egg represents his new kill while the rusty one is the old kill.
>>339869441
I believe this interpretation is as viable as the other, if not less. After all, James showed regret only for a few seconds after killing Eddy, but spent a minute-long cutscene siting on the floor of a slowly moving elevator, sad and depressed as fuck after PH stabbed Maria. And guilt over doppelganger women being represented by doppelganger PHs is just poetic in general. Not to mention the fact that James killed Eddy in self-defense, while Mary and Maria were innocent victims.
>>339867957
>I've personally put up color-filters to the Catalog to highlight my favorite game topics, SH being one of them.
Can you do this with 4chan X?
>>339870315
>James showed regret only for a few seconds after killing Eddy, but spent a minute-long cutscene siting on the floor of a slowly moving elevator, sad and depressed as fuck after PH stabbed Maria.
No fa'm you didn't get it. James actually thought Maria was still alive during that cutscene. He says "STOOOP" because a part of him thought she was still somehow alive. Only once PH poked her again did he start to realize that he needs to stop repressing his guilt. The two PH represent who he killed. When they killed Maria again (remember he thought that somehow she was still really alive and actually a person even though he saw her die twice) it was only then did he finally start to realize why he felt guilty. Do not downplay the importance of his guilt over killing Eddie. Didn't matter if it was in self defense. He didn't kill him feel guilty for a minute and then said lol I'm okay now.
No offense but you are downplaying that way too much when you say that.
>>339870315
>>339870914
And furthermore, assuming you get Maria as the final boss depending on how you play, he addresses his issues with her at the final boss. If it's what you said then Maria couldn't possibly be the final boss of the game.
>Maria?
>but I don't need you anymore
Not the exact quote but that's what he tells the final boss at the end. So he feels guilt over all three until that cutscene where they kill her for the third time. That scene makes him realize that Maria was his own manifestation. So when he says he finally gets it now he is ready to address his issue head on after the two PH fight. There is no true canon ending for SH2 but it has been said that if there is then the devs would assume it's the in water one. So Maria likely is the true final boss.My favorite ending is actually when he leaves with Maria just to let you know
>>339870914
>>339871557
Alright, you make some good and interesting points. I may have misspoken before.
Do you have any insights on why the hotel transformed thrice during the game? At first it is just a normal, albeit abandoned hotel. After James watches the tape, the hotel seems drenched in water, it's dripping in every corridor, almost as if the hotel was submerged under water and pulled out. And then after the twin PH fight, the hotel seems burned down and partially demolished, while it was raining outside and on the roof where the final battle took place. What was the significance of these changes?
>>339871873
Well to be fair the game is very vague on purpose. I actually didn't fully comprehend it in my first playthrough. In fact I didn't even realize that the corpses around the town were wearing James jacket. Nor did I realize the guy who gets killed in the apartment is James himself. It's definitely a very strange game.
Water is a common theme with SH2. Another common theme with SH2 is James keeping things tightly under wraps (think the otherworld hospital).
There's this anon on /r9k/ that is pretty passionate about the game and can explain some of these questions much better than I can. You should check him out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYb7qOgBVwY
>>339872657
Thanks, I will check this out.
But now it's time for me to go to bed. I hope we'll have another SH thread some time soon.
Bye.
>>339871873
It's possible that James "Otherworld" is actually the clean, pristine versions of the environments, while the ruined versions are the 'real" ones. The nice Hotel could be the otherworld, the broken down one the "real" version, and after killing pyramid head he goes into a more nightmarish version of the hotel.
>>339860571
this
/thread over
>>339860852
why shouldn't there be as many PHs James wants there to be?
The eggs represent Mary and Maria, one is old blood the other is fresh blood (which he is about to kill - see Maria ending)
>>339873102
when it comes to the hotel, the flooded one is most likely the real one - but that version also has a ballscrazy stairways which he does the final confrontation on.
>>339873254
Could change into a worse version of the otherworld after Pyramid head leaves, so to speak?
>>339870315
the second pyramid head represents his guilt for killing Eddy. There was no second pyramid head before he did... also both Pyramid heads are holding eggs after they kill themselves. A rust-colored egg, representing old blood and a scarlet-colored egg representing new blood.
I can't tell if it's a meme or not because I've never seen a serious answer but what did the game mean by that line written in blood "There was a hole here but now it's gone"?
>>339871873
>Do you have any insights on why the hotel transformed thrice during the game? At first it is just a normal, albeit abandoned hotel
This is how to hotel normally looks like
> After James watches the tape, the hotel seems drenched in water, it's dripping in every corridor, almost as if the hotel was submerged under water and pulled out.
After watching the tape and realising he killed Mary, he realised that the reason he came to Silent Hill was to take his own life in a place of memories by driving into the like with the body of Mary in the backseat of the car. (japanese practice called Shinjū https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinj%C5%AB)
>And then after the twin PH fight, the hotel seems burned down and partially demolished,
The time for mourning is over. Now it's time to fulfil his obligation to Mary.
>>339864037
I think one is actually because he killed Eddie not too long ago.
>>339874865
In Water isn't the only ending. All 4 of the non-joke endings are equally viable, as the creators themselves have said.
>>339875365
I don't think he implied that it was the only ending, but it's certainly the fan favorite.
>>339875365
They are, but looking when you look at the story as a whole it becomes apparant that the In Water ending was the original intended ending. (not saying it is the 'one true ending' as most endings still fit with the rest of the series)
https://youtu.be/rhyT4gjDHM8?t=14m3s
>>339875639
>>339875483
Worth mentioning that Leave fits the most with Crime and Punishment - which Sato said was the primary influence of the story (redemption through suffering).
>>339867018
Thanks for SH4 download. I can't find any torrents anymore.Thanks for the dolphin porn
I'm too much of a pussy to play these games
>>339860571
You just need to shoot them a lot to make james feel better.
>>339876316
they aren't really scary tbqh, except for a couple of moments in 4
>>339876093
Also worth mentioning that in SH3 Douglas once went to Silent Hill for a missing person's case
and in SH4 the superintendent Frank Sunderland, father of James mentions that James went missing in Silent Hill.
>mfw reading all the Symbolism sections of the monster pages on SH wiki
Those fucks think everything is a metaphor for sexual frustration
>>339876685
>except for a couple of moments in 4
4 had burping nurses
>>339877067
Don't forget the stock monkey and jaguar noises
2 > 3 > 1 > Downpour > Homecoming > 4
>>339876316
the original SH games are some of the best ways to cure your pussiness. I've seen it work, many many times, in real practice.
For starters, their horror is not your typical "BOO LOUD NOISE MONSTER OOGABOOGA!" jumpscares. Instead, they rely on the creepy atmosphere and disturbing imagery. Audio plays major part in SH series.
Second, even if you're not usually into survival-horror, or heck - games in general, it's usually possible to still enjoy and appreciate many aspects of the original games: deep plot, memorable cast, awesome soundtrack and visuals, puzzles... etc. The 2nd and 3rd game even separates Action and Puzzle difficulties into two separated options, so if you dislike combat and spoopy monsters, you may wanna start with easy Action, but crank up the puzzles. Though personally I'd go Normal-Normal from the beginning.
>>339876685
I disagree quite a bit. SH1 especially is still one of the scariest games I've ever played (and trust me, I've played quite a bit of them). The sequels also have several disturbing scenes and haunting atmosphere.
>>339877067
1) Not nurses.
2) doesn't change the fact that the stuff with Room and some of the worlds are creepy as hell.
>>339876093
What bothers me about that ending is that Laura goes with James even though James admit to being a killer. It's a bit of an odd ending.
>>339876981
As a huge SH fan, I'm quite embarassed with the wiki
>>339877212
1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > SM > > > all the other shit.
>>339877212
2>1>SM>3>DP>rest shit.
>>339877334
Nah, 4 is literal garbage.
>>339877474
>>339877212
>DP even mentioned in the same sentence with Team Silent's games
Dis-fucking-custing as hell.
Downpoor's literally the worst game.
>>339860852
>But why are there two PHs?
There's always been two PH. You encounter both through out the entire game.
>>339877219
>1) Not nurses.
>2) doesn't change the fact that the stuff with Room and some of the worlds are creepy as hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiDz69EqlFk
>>339877503
No, it's not.
It has great visuals, very nice soundtrack, the Room is a total genius idea, and the background story and everything about Walter are pretty neat. And say what you say about Ghost, they're easily some of THE scariest creations in any game, ever.
SH4 may not be a god-tier horror game like SH1 and 2, but it still beats the living fuck out of any western-made wannabe SH title.
>>339877708
Like I said: they're not nurses.
Having one silly glitch (that everyone seems to get) does not make the game bad, or negate the fact that it has great atmosphere and ideas.
>>339877572
Worse than Homecoming? You're joking.
>>339870914
>Only once PH poked her again did he start to realize that he needs to stop repressing his guilt.
This is the third time Maria died. He's not an idiot. He's realizes that Maria isn't real and is just fucking with him.
>>339876716
And your point is?
James could have left with Laura to somewhere entirely new and started a new life.
>>339876981
I've noticed this, but how should I interpret the nurses specifically?
>>339877572
>"Team Silent"
Every game from "TS" was made by different people. After 3 only Akira left.
>>339876981
welcome to freudian psychology, where all you really want to do is kill your father so you can fuck your mother.
>>339877837
No, I am not joking.
HC gets waaay too much flak, no matter that it's a shitty The Movie: The Game title. It at least WORKS, and is somewhat enjoyable to play.
DP, on the other hand, is broken by its writing, overall design, and tech-wise. It's literally THE worst SH game ever created (next to BoM), and the greatest buyer's remorse I've experienced since DNF.
>>339877897
The team's members did not change completely between the games. Some people left, some came, some remained through and through. The team was kinda split into two during development of SH2 and 3, which happened almost simultanously.
>>339877238
It's referential to Crime and Punishment - Laura playing the role of Sonya (though, obviously, without the romantic subtext lol)
>>339878047
>The team was kinda split into two during development of SH2 and 3, which happened almost simultanously.
I think you mean SH3 and 4
>>339859805
LMAO 2HEAD!
LMAO 2HEAD!
>>339877828
Magical great atmosphere. Some ppl feel it, some ppl dont.
But anyway, there weren't great ideas in this fucking mess.
>>339877334
Correct, take this.
>>339877837
Downpour was the game I was genuinely excited and optimistic about, but it was a huge disappointment:
-No Akira's soundtracks. You can hear it, you can FEEL it.
-The MC's inner monologue = fucking annoying.
-Indicators, flashing items and tips everywhere! Try to play without them, and you gonna be all lost for a while at least, as the game was DESIGNED with them to be ON.
-The chase scenes were annoying. Especially the last one. And I fucking liked SM for crying out loud.
-Bad and limited enemy design.
-A handful of characters that just... are. I guess they tried to personify the Town or something, but come on.
-The environments? Boring & full of copypaste.
-The side missions? POINTLESS in the end, as you get ripped off all your gear, and they don't even effect the ending!
-BAD combat. Yeah I know, and I always ran past 90% of enemies in originals as well, but holy shit this is WORSE than in SH1-4 if you ask me.
-UT3 engine bugs and annoyances (texture & area streaming, usually lagging badly behind, the Subway doors getting locked, random bug of being unable to pick up items ...)
-QTE -like scenes.
Last the story... there technically isn't one! It's not deep or cryptic at all, it's just CONFUSING - most probably because before the very end, the game doesn't know how the story even goes, when your choices are evaluated. In this sense the game actually contradicts ITSELF earlier on, as there's no alternative cutscenes or discussion choices.
Yes, it's slightly better than Origins, can't say any better than HC, but it's still a BAD horror game, and worse SH-game. Far from the original Tetralogy.
>>339878108
Nope. The development of 3 started before 2 was out.
>>339877879
Been a long time since I played an SH game but
>in 1 they were born from Alessa's mind, not Harry's, and are probably a byproduct of all the shit the order did to her giving her a fear of doctors and nurses
>In 2 they COULD represent sexual frustration but more likely have to do with his feelings on hospitals because of Mary
>3 I have no fucking clue, maybe the same as 1 given Heather's identity
>Homecoming and Downpour they were there because the older games had them
What happens to Laura in the water ending?
>>339877838
>He's not an idiot.
Anon...
>>339877867
how does that even sound remotely plausible though?
it might be a nod to the movie you mentioned, but mostly just comes off as sloppy writing
>>339878154
>there weren't great ideas in this fucking mess.
it was not a mess. It was a very well working, if not a tad more experimental game.
The element of the room alone is a struck of genius, letting you personally experience what the MC is going through, letting you witness the world both changing and remaining the same around you, all while you keep experiencing these "nightmares". The best part in the game is after the half point, though, when theestablished "safe place" gets slowly corrupted and infected by the external horrors.
Also, I feel like most people don't realize who the REAL "main character" of SH4 is. No, it ain't Henry.
>>339859805
Don't talk to me or my wife's son ever again!
>>339859805
What the fuck is wrong with the lighting? You're not supposed to see shit that clearly
>>339878352
Okay, he's kind of a dopey idiot.
But even he has his limits. Bitch keeps dying and then showing up again without explanation. 2nd time was weird. But this is the third time.
>>339878393
>movie you mentioned
f'am you need to get at least remotely cultured
>>339878325
She stays trapped in a ghost town.
>>339877897
You fags always forget the most important point.
After 4 the Americans took over the franchise. So it wouldn't matter how much TS changed through out the years. You people always exaggerate this anyways.
>>339874810
Firstly, it's
"There was a hole here. It's gone now."
And secondly, no one really has any definite idea. Personally, I think it's just supposed to be a vague and creepy thing, but it could refer to anything, from the holes in the prison James has to jump down, to the hole in the window itself, to some metaphorical hole.
>>339878047
yeah, some small people, like Keiichiro Toyama main game designer after first game, or Takayoshi Sato, writer of SH2, after second game.
But top men stayed working on this series. Top Men.
>>339878393
How is it implausible? I presumed that Laura has no family, and now James doesn't either. They just simply take off and start anew somewhere. People do it all the time, and it was even easier during the time period SH2 took place in.
>>339874810
>"There was a hole here but now it's gone"?
It's a metaphor for James' sexual frustration
His "hole" (Mary) was there, but now it (her vagina) is gone
>>339878325
This is part of why Leave is the most sensible ending on multiple levels. In water fags are in denial.
SH2 really encapsulates freudian psychology, I'm more of a jung guy but I can appreciate that.
>>339867018
Hey m8 do you know about the latest PS1 emulator plugin that ends polygon/texture warping? I tried to get pcsxr running with it the other day but I'm dumb and couldn't do it.
Does anyone have a working emulator with the plugin and doesn't mind uploading it?
>>339859805
You know, I really enjoy 1 and 3, but to be honest I always found the cult plot really dumb, and convoluted. I much prefer the more personal horror aspect of 2(The town and monsters in it appearing as a reflection of James' own issues), but it seems like I'm the only one who does.
What about the cult appeals to you guys?
>>339878302
Good insight, thanks m8
>>339878768
In Water and the other ones just leave Laura's fate unknown. Presumably after all this she can just leave. Or she wakes up in the real Silent Hill and someone takes her home.
>>339867018
There's only one peer on both the sh2 and 3 torrents... What are DDL's? Just the game uncompressed?
>>339878978
Everyone with at least 90 IQ prefers 2's story over the cult shit lol
>>339878440
Well, Henry was hardly character anyway.
But i think, you mean Walter Sullivan. What's his character? He just crazy evil guy. He was crazy even before cult messed with him.
>>339874810
Pretty sure it's just a level designer's joke.
>>339878672
>and now James doesn't either
we know from SH4 that at least his father is still around and knows his son is missing.
Douglas Cartland went on a missing person's case in Silent Hill, so obviously people are still looking for James....
IF james in fact killed Mary and left whith laura, what did he do with Mary's body?
Why would there be no mention of him being wanted for murder in the later games?
>>339879186
Not the person youre talking to but why are you using games written by other people to discuss sh2? sato had no input to 3 and 4.
>>339878556
SH3 wasn't even close to SH2, while room was far behind, so even if evil western people didn't get to the series, it would go to hell anyway.
BTW, Akira was a producer for Origins and Homecoming, but it wasn't his fault, right?
>>339879338
and the writers from SH2-4 had no input to SH1, what's ur point?
>>339878978
The cult storyline is pretty bad. I think they should have ended it in 1. Then it just becomes part of the background for the other games. My main gripe with 3 is that it focuses on the cult and that there's little if any mystery or ambiguity. It's so technically good, but it's just kinda not fun to analyze or debate over. Plus there are so few endings.
Sh2 is much more open ended.
>>339879186
You're presuming that the "Mary's body is in the trunk/back seat xD!!!" theory is true. There's no compelling evidence for it beyond a single engrish tweet from Ito a decade later, and he was just the artist. That, and the Laura time discrepancy, which still doesn't necceserily mean that Mary is in the trunk.
Going by your logic, how could the Maria or Rebirth endings be correct either?
Clearly the issue lies with the references given in the later games.
>>339879425
point is only sato know what was intended for sh2, not whoever made the line in the later games
>>339879579
Yeah, fuck the cult with thier's stupid rituals, crazy plans, evil motivations and shitty "gods" which dies from pipe's smash.
>>339879731
By that logic only Keiichiro Toyama knew what was inteded for the entire series
>>339879862
Well, maybe.
If you didn't notice,story in second game was very different from first one.
>>339879579
>I think they should have ended it in 1. Then it just becomes part of the background for the other games.
Yeah, also it kind of sealed the cult as the "Real" reason behind all the fucky shit in Silent Hill. If 1 had happened, then it had gone to 2, then 3 had been another totally unrelated story, it could easily be claimed that the events of 1, and the "God" of the cult was just a manifestation of the towns nebulous power, warped by the cult, but then 3 basically said "Nope, sorry. The cult is right. It's their god doing all that. That's why the town is so evil. This doesn't make sense with SH2? Doesn't matter, it's the truth."
>>339879648
Her body doesn't need to be in the back seat for him to have killed her...... he did so in every ending..
Rebirth ending = new game + ending
Maria ending also makes no sense since Maria doesn't even exist and dies 3 times... and is already showing symtoms of dying when they are leaving town.
>>339879731
>point is only sato know what was intended for sh2,
The writing is ambiguous. Writers don't have magic windows into the universe the stories take place in. The worlds are entirely made up. As such, if the made up world contains some ambiguity, then even the writers don't have the answers. It's ambiguous.
>>339880001
If only based godking Sato hadn't left
>>339880001
Some texts in SH2 hint that shit's been going down in SH for centuries. I think there was shit with natives and some early settlers that vanished.
>>339880101
The Maria ending makes perfect sense. He failed to truly make amends with Mary, and has fallen for the town's doppleganger. There's no rule stating that creatures from within the town can't leave it. The coughing means that James is doomed to repeat the cycle again (Maria will get whatever cancer Mary had)
It's really the cheeky throwaway references in SH3/4 that are the issue, not these endings.
Maria
Does she exist? No one else ever saw her. Can she leave the town? Does she have free will?
Her prequel suggests that she starts as a blank slate, and basically a normal peson. As the game goes, she seems to get more evil, angry and pissed. So I take it she starts as a person with free will, but is corrupted over time by the town.
>>339880217
Yeah, but 3 basically said "All that is from the god" rather than the god just being a manifestation of the overall weirdness of the town, and whatever unknown nebulous force makes it so weird.
Instead of it being
>Town has some dark(Or maybe not) power associated with it of unknown origins
>This has caused weird shit throughout the history of the town
>The cults activities in the town, caused the dark god to manifest, much in the same way that James guilt made Pyramid Head and the other monsters manifest in 2
3 confirmed it to be
>There's a dark god worshiped by the cult
>It's strongest in Silent Hill
>Any weird shit that happens is because of it's influence
>>339880405
She is created by the town itself.
At the very start of her story she mentions that she has no memory of who she is. Only that she is looking for someone. At the end of her story she recalls that the person she is looking for is James
>>339880405
She is a combination of James and Mary's desires, along with a dash of the town's "spiritual power". James wanted a healthy, sexy wife; and Mary also wanted to be that wife.
>>339880480
The events of SH1 (birth of the god and all that) tainted the spiritual power surrounding the town, which causes it to have a sort of conciousness and the ability to project peoples thoughts into reality much like Alessa was able to in the first game
>>339880545
Maria's story wasn't written by Sato as well. Guy, who made sh3's story, made that.
>>339880545
She starts off as a normal amnesiac person. Then her memories start to form. Then she becomes more and more manipulative and obsessed with James. She's rather a sad, pitiful creature.
>>339880405
Maria always ducking out and avoiding interacting with other characters always struck me as suspicious. Is it because she's only a figment of James' mind? Or would the other characters question Maria.
>Uh, James, you say you're looking for your wife. But that woman standing right beside you looks just like her. Even her name is pretty similar.
Laura would have raised some interesting questions too.
What was Maria's excuse to not enter the Bowlerama?
>>339880717
If that's the case, then why is the town playing therapist to James and the others in SH2? Even if it's rather horrifyingly harsh in the way it makes them confront their issues, the overall act of what it does hardly seems to fall in line with the God of the cult.
>>339880751
>>339880405
As the title of the Maria campaign states; Born From a Wish
>>339880480
the dark god of 1, 3, and 4 are a result of a hijacking of the town's spiritual powers. 2 is the town's spiritual powers being twisted so severely after the events of 1 that it starts drawing straws for people at random and abusing them
nothing in 3 really mentions the power or how the god relates to the town, it seems to be a closer to the arc started in 1 as it relates to Harry's story
>>339880898
Never noticed her stripper tat. I played in 480i on a CRT.
>>339880898
>born from a wish
That's what makes Maria so sympathetic. She didn't ask to be created. She didn't ask to have these emotions. She didn't ask to be some tool to punish James.
>>339880849
Town doesn't do shit, it's just magical.
It's people who unintentionally use its magic.
>>339881012
>after the events of 1
2 probably takes place in the late 70's to 80's. If you take 2003 as when SH3 takes place, then 1 takes place in 1987.
>>339881064
>That's what makes Maria so sympathetic. She didn't ask to be created. She didn't ask to have these emotions. She didn't ask to be some tool to punish James.
>>339881064
She can't ask for things, she isn't real.
>>339869441
This. Fresh blood is Eddie, old blood is Mary, represented by the eggs
>>339880849
because the actual smart person on the team, sato, had control over the story of 2
>>339865679
better shadows than doax3
>>339870315
but james didnt kill maria, pyramid head did and punished him even more, but james didn´t commit the murder
>>339877219
SH1 does have some loud sudden noise jumpscares though.
>>339881521
Sparingly used. And that's what makes them effective.
2 and 3 also have some.
>>339875365
Considering in Silent Hill 3 that his dad says James has been missing. Water ending is the most plausible other than UFO.
>>339882406
Or he doesn't like his dad and stays away from him. I mean, he does keep some guy's umbilical cord with him.
>>339878869
While there are the obvious parallels, I get more of a jungian vibe from all the mysticism. There's a lot of very deep symbolism and genuine occult theory in addition to the more blatant nods.
>>339882406
It's not that I don't take that as canon, I just don't put too much weight into that because I don't take 2 entirely canonically. It screams gaiden and I prefer to take it on its own merit rather than exegesis.
>>339872657
thanks. this "lore" is amazing
