>every crackgroup gave up
denuvo saved gaming
Piracy is healthy for the industry.
>prove me wrong
Oh wait, you can't.
>>339842575
Holy shit I thought this is another stupid thread, but I just received my daily newsletter from [email protected] and they totally gave up.
>>339842775
prove how it's healthy for the industry
oh wait you can't
>still can't play Warhammer
FUCK OFF LET ME PLAY
IM POOR I NEED MONIES TO FEED MYSELF
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>339842575
>increased cost of developing games
>marginal to little increase in sales a result
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""healthy for the industry"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>339843869
>increased cost of developing games
How?
>>339842575
>Denuvo can't be cracked
what about that big list of Denuvo games they cracked
>n-n-noone cares about those games
>p-p-p-pirate f-fags b-b-btfo
This is how autistic Denuvofags look
>>339843934
encryption technology take money to develop and denuvo probably charges for it
>>339842775
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw-oxLMhHxA
>>339843801
Spend your free time making money instead of playing games.
>>339843934
Denuvo is not free mate..... you can't just mail denuvo and be like yooo please encrypt my games xD
>>339843869
Devs have no issue forwarding money to protect their games. They recognize pirates for what they are, a cancerous blight on the industry
>>339844120
those games are literally shit
>>339842775
Remember to report all global rule violations.
>>339844289
>>339844538
Got it, thought you were talking about the game itself.
>>339843689
Well that's easy.
People now have to pay them even if it turns out to be shit.
>>339844581
>SJW's recognize men for what they all, they are all rapist, sexist pigs
this is what you sound like
>>339844404
have money, no time
have time, no money
>>339843689
Actually it only matters if it's unhealthy for the industry. If it's irrelevant or healthy then it shouldn't be banned.
>companies actually think we will buy the games for more than a few dollars if we can't pirate
>>339844706
That doesn't refute my point anon
>>339844404
>No one can afford games anymore
>People stop pirating and instead pick up second jobs
>The mental and physical stress on the work force makes them not want to do anything but collect their measly paycheck
>Tired people who don't care are much easier to control
DENUVO CONFIRMED FOR ILLUMINATI
>>339844706
The difference is, like blacks, all pirates are criminals by definition whereas only some men (including your father, presumably) are rapists.
>>339844605
Why is /v/ the most semantically uneducated board? You make /x/ sound smart, and /x/ believes in a flat earth.
>>339842575
>no modding or file-extraction
>hampered performance
>alleged HDD damage
>always-online
>increased development costs
>all for a problem that usually doesn't involve people with incomes
Just another reminder this fucking site is good at attracting bored contrarians.
>>339842775
quality post
>>339842575
I can already see the first symptoms of publishers trying to push console prices on PC.
I hope pirates won't give up if only to counter that jew devs cancer.
Nobody is going to build 1000 dollerino gaming rig and then pay for fucking videogames too, its way easier to just switch to consoles.
>>339842575
MKDEV says otherwise, with progress on D44M's crack for example
I don't even know why you'd want and try to make a new golden face shitposting trend with denuvo, it's guaranteed to get cracked and go the way of the dinosaur, just like any of its predecessors did
>>339844975
>doesn't realize most of /v/ is underage
>>339842575
see
>>339845318
On top of this its on its v3 at this point. How many more versions have to be cracked before this meme dies.
>>339845318
Haha, this thread made me go check and I saw this. Get fucked OP.
>>339844975
/v/irgins aren't here for the discussion. They're here for the entertainment of riling people up. Leave this place if you actually expect to talk about games.
>>339845479
>>339845565
Link? I have serious doubts Denuvo will ever be cracked
>>339844720
Go rob a bank, you'll have plenty of time after that for anything. If you get caught you'll get plenty of time for role playing games in prison where you roleplay as a bitch faggot. You seem to already have the role playing part down so it shouldn't be hard.
>>339845479
Does anyone have any info on how they cracked it? Because I'm fairly certain they didn't bruteforce serious encryption, so they had to extract some unencrypted data from some post-Denuvo runtime.
>>339845962
>you'll get plenty of time for role playing games in prison where you roleplay as a bitch faggot
/v/ doesn't usually make me laugh, thanks anon.
aren't some faggots charging people money to play games that uses denuvo
>>339846154
yeah, it's just family game sharing shenanigans though
>>339844581
All muh protection still can't sell copies of a shit game. It's almost like piracy WAS free advertising for them.
>>339846903
The irony of this being illegal and even more retarded than piracy while the sheep are cheering because they have downs.
>>339847164
Why are you pirating shit games anon?
Abd in case you weren't sure, the quality of a game doesn't entitle you to it, your wallet does. Devs are anti piracy as a matter of principle, and they don't give a care about how vocal you are about the game on the internet when you didn't pay for their product
>>339842775
>It's not a lost sale, because they were never going to buy it.
can't be verified in any meaningful way. There are cases of people who would have.
>It's not theft.
still illegal, and dodging the issue
>Publishers need to stop being greedy.
a deflection and complete change of topic.
>If they made better games, people wouldn't pirate.
logically bankrupt, since any improvement to the game itself would equally benefit the pirated copy. No disincentive is created.
>People pirate because of DRM.
upside down, DRM was created as a reaction to piracy, and DRM free games are still pirated frequently
>Piracy helps sales!
Pure delusion. "Hey man, check out this cool game I pirated!" "Cool, I'll pirate it too!"
>>339842575
I am really interested in seeing how point 1 facilitates point 2.
>>339847534
Why are you projecting?
See I can do retarded replies too.
I like how your first assumption is that there's even a hint of entitlement.
My wallet doesn't entitle me to shit. Because I have no intention of buying trash in the first place. Them being 'protected' by a viral posting company is just icing on the cake.
The only people that are vocal in this thread are the Denuvo shitposters. Just fuck off. we're sick of the threads every hour.
What makes you think you're entitled to spam on any website but your own?
>>339847808
Just want to throw in that I would have purchased Dragon Age 2 right up until my friend taught me how to pirate.
I never bought another game after. EA Definitely lost a sale due to piracy (and the game being shit) there.
>>339842575
ACTUAL PAYING CUSTOMER HERE.
I use cracks once I finish downloading the game through steam because I don't want to have to run every single game I own through a third party program.
Denuvo isn't saving gaming, they're contributing to Steam's control over access to video games.
>>339842575
>New Doom
>hailed as the GREATEST GAME EVER
>denuvo
>1/10th of the copies Overwatch sold
How's that DRM working out for you, I'm sure all those 14 year old kids in russia rushed out to buy a copy since they couldn't pirate it right?
Lel
>>339844975
flat earth has been scientifically proven numerous times
>>339848315
b-but origin has denuvo game too !
>>339847808
>can't be verified in any meaningful way
You know what can't be verified in any meaningful way? The claim that it IS a lost sale.
If nobody claimed it was a lost sale to begin with (with literally zero evidence to back it up), then "It's not a lost sale" wouldn't exist as a go-to counter-response.
The claim that it is a lost sale was made first, yet has never had one piece of evidence to back it up
>>339848376
Overwatch is a multiplayer meme game with waifus/husbandos though
>>339848425
t. /x/
>>339845002
Is it really always-online?
>>339848438
An extremely small percentage of games use other similar services. Most PC games released nowadays use Steam alone, and can't be run without Steam unless you crack it.
>>339847808
>upside down
No, circuituous.
People pirate because of invasive DRM, which was instated because of piracy.
>>339848471
try /sci/
>>339847808
>can't be verified in any meaningful way
Exactly. A sale is only a sale when it's concrete. A theoretical sale is worth jack shit.
>>339848641
I don't know a single person who pirates for any other reason than because they can.
>>339848452
But it is completely obvious that piracy causes lost sales -- you would have to be claiming that no pirate ever would have bought the game. The odds you are correct are so astronomically low that no proof is required to refute you.
>>339848819
Honestly I wouldn't say it like that but at the core that is the reason.
Generally games I like I do purchase though.
>>339848559
If the people who make denuvo ever go out of business, the authentication server will never be able to activate your denuvo game ever again
Take a guess about how many DRM companies from 5 years ago are still in business today :)
>>339848384
It is, but this can actually be justified. How? Easy: I really do not think, and anybody with working eyes can agree, that your poor harware-limited uprendering is worth the massive entry fee for a single title you are asking for, therefore you are factually abusing your IP ownership. I am merely overruling your turbo capitalist assraping with a free and better solution to reproduce the games I own (and this is where there is a fork in the road, iso etc.) at a way higher visual fidelity than both the original and your alleged remaster.
>>339848857
Yeah and the decline of pirates caused global warming.
SHIT THE WORLD IS MAD
>>339848805
What is this supposed to tell us. A Multiplayer MOBA shooter has more players than a single player Arena Shooter with a notoriously bad multiplayer game?
>>339848857
>But it is completely obvious that piracy causes lost sales
Then shouldn't Doom, Tomb Raider, Arkham Knight have sold more copies than their previous non denuvo versions?
Hint, they all sold way way less
why does /v/ shill for drm
>>339849183
Falseflagging is world's biggest flaming fodder, take note.
>>339842575
3dm stopped Denovo to see if the impacts of piracy would change anything (positve or negative). the sales are suffering.
>>339849148
Yes, that claim is about as retarded as claiming that every single person who pirated a game would not have paid for it otherwise. I'm glad you agree.
>>339848857
>"i-it's completely obvious"
It's also completely obvious that the earth is flat. Look out your window, it's not like you're looking downhill in every direction. The odds the earth isn't flat are so astronomically low that no proof is required to refute you.
>>339849175
Arkham Knight had other, much larger issues besides Denuvo though.
>>339848857
/v/ has always lived by the maxim that if you pirate it and like it, buy it and support the dev. This is the only way to be an intelligent and frugal consumer in the video game world because developers are engaged in actively obscuring the quality of their titles to maximize profit in a very cynical and seedy gambit.
Shut the fuck up.
>>339849272
>The sales are suffering
They are?
>>339849167
Concrete proof that Denuvo doesn't increase sales, and a pirated copy isn't a lost sale.
The new doom was a financial failure on the PC.
>>339849484
/v/ is not one person
kill yourself faggot
>>339849175
Arkham Knight is literally gimped on PC though.
Ready for the golden age of gaming boys?
>>339849601
Everything that isn't a MOBA is a financial failure on PC.
>>339847808
>can't be verified in any meaningful way.
Neither the claim that it's a lost sale nor its opposite can be verified. Same thing with the claim that it helps because of publicity vs the claim that some people who pirated it would have bought it. Both are true, I only have to find 1 occurrence of each to make it true (and I've done both).
The entire discussion boils down to wether the beneficial effects of piracy trump the adverse effects. Anything else is pure conjecture, no matter what field of the argument you're in.
I don't even disagree with anything you've said and yes, piratefags avert the issue and bring up parallel shit a lot.
>>339847808
>still illegal
Having slaves was legal at one point. Does that make it okay?
>>339842575
>Just Cause 2 (no Denuvo)
>3,969,951
http://steamspy.com/app/8190
>Just Cuase 3 (Denuvo)
>568,795
http://steamspy.com/app/225540
Gaming is saved bros. I look forward to not being able to play my games in the future when Denuvo servers go down so that publishers could have no increase in sales.
>>339848425
I'd love to see those numerous proofs.
>>339849484
You can say that about any industry though. It's like eating a burger then deciding it wasn't good so you won't pay for it.
>>339849778
yes
>>339847808
>I pirate all the time
>If I think it's a great game and would like to see more in the future I legit buy the game
>Never play it afterwards because I already have 300+ hours into it
>>339848857
No, the argument is that the beneficial effect of publicity is larger than the negative effect of lost sales.
>>339849805
Have JC2, Would've bought JC3 if it wasn't for the DRM in my DRM in my DRM in my DRM.. in my DRM.
>>339849447
Doesn't matter
Arkham Knight SHOULD have sold more than City since it was protected by uncrackable DRM right?
All those pirates rushed out to buy it since they couldn't get it for free right??
Sorta optimistic about Denuvo. One less thing for Producers to blame their own shortfalls on when their rushed run of the mill games bomb.
>>339847808
I tried to buy Shantae and the pirate's curse on 3DS but nintendo kept rejecting my credit card. A couple of weeks later, it was (what i call) "free on pc" so i pirated it.
I only buy games on consoles since i like having physical copies. I have a ps3, and a 3DS (but lately, all the "i got FE and Kirby eight months earlier top lel" threads make me feel like a fool for not having my 3ds hacked...).
>>339848384
Oh they bring back a few select titles at an incredibly high price. Fuck it then they can burn all the rest, it's OK if we lose forever every game they don't bother with.
>>339843689
A study in the netherlands(or denmark) proved that piracy is actually healthy for the industry, because people to poor to buy digital stuff increase their quality of life while simultaniously having more money to spend on actual industry
>>339849484
>developers are engaged in actively obscuring the quality of their titles to maximize profit
>The real estate agent won't let me live in the house for a month to try it out -- I'm just going to steal it.
>>339843801
>He didn't go to college
>>339843689
it assists in creating informed consumers
>>339842575
Didn't doom sell more than 500000 PC copies now? I'd imagine that those numbers would be smaller if denuvo wasn't implemented. Pretty successful imo and also amazing for a game like the new doom so sell that much copies especially in this day and age
>>339849167
>Overwatch
>MOBA
When will this meme end?
>>339850015
yo i need sauce in this girl
>>339842575
I hope they upgrade it and it ends piracy forever. I just want to piss off disgusting cockroaches of people who are complete worthless leeches
>>339850132
>doesn't buy in to the college scam
>muh try before I buy
You don't get to try the majority of things you can buy before buying them. Stop using this as an excuse.
>>339850260
>leeches
FUCKING LOL
>>339849715
The point of bringing up an even more retarded argument is to show that yours is equally fallacious
>>339850293
>implying 1s and 0s is a physical good
>>339844382
>youtube reaction poster
literally
>>339850447
>implying that makes a difference
>>339849869
Except if they would hand out samples of said burger, you could decide if you like it or not before spending money on something you won't like and could not have known beforehand. Except this burger costs you 60 buckaroonies and is an expense most people cannot afford.
>>339847808
>Piracy doesn't help sales!
>>339850125
Nice analogy mate, you suck at this.
>>339850424
Claiming that at least one pirate will purchase a game if they can't pirate it is as close to an absolute truth as you can get. I'm not sure how you can continue to claim otherwise -- I can only assume your grasp on the English language is shaky at best.
>>339842575
no it didn't, besides pc games are not exactly a humongous money maker... also x64 debugger is on the way
>>339850424
or you could just refute his argument without having to resort to mentioning irrelevant things.
>>339849869
>food analogies
how to spot a retard
>>339849858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI79kwLNwPk
>>339850543
>comparing game sales of games that have been out for years with games that haven'y even been out 6 months
>comparing games that have been out for years that have sold for a few $ in sales many many times over that last several years with games that are still full price and only been out 6 months or less
Why are you fags so fucking dumb?
>>339850293
yeah you do
typically if something's a tangible item in a store and you aren't buying it online you get to do whatever you want with it as long as you don't end up breaking it.
>>339850543
Don't forget the Denuvo'd FIFA game, that sold exactly the same as the previous years FIFA.
Also laughing at Doom 3 BFG edition selling more than the new Doom.
>>339850529
>implying it doesn't
The only downside of Denuvo is that it SEVERELY fucks with modding and multiplayer hotfixes and basically turns PC games into console games.
To make a very simple example you wouldn't be able to use a script extender on Bethesda games.
Yep, imagine playing Bethesda games unmodded.
>>339851043
That's not the only downside.
The other major downside is that games will not function in the future when Denuvo servers go offline.
>>339850841
>What is insulation
>>339850953
>typically if something's a tangible item in a store and you aren't buying it online you get to do whatever you want with it as long as you don't end up breaking it.
I don't know how to break this to you, but it's only pure luck that the employees at the appliance store haven't caught you when you go there to reheat the McDonalds you fished out of the dumpster. That's not actually allowed.
>>339850928
We're talking about sales figures anon, not pricing points.
Nice job trying to refute the cold hard figures that say Denuvo doesn't increase sales, it in fact decreases them.
If anything, Tomb Raider having a multi-million install base should have made it a huge hit since those evil pirates were forced to buy it right?
>>339851196
wait, denuvo uses server side anti piracy checks? (I have not payed attention to denuvo whatsoever)
can you play a denuvo game without being connected to the internet?
>>339851043
>Denuvo means developers will actually have to release finished games.
God, yes.
>>339851267
>never heard of a showmodel
>>339850841
you can't honestly be this stupid
>What is an orbit
>>339851357
no they don't, it just means the community can't fix them anymore.
us not being able to fix them != people will stop eating shit
>>339851357
>>Denuvo means developers will actually have to release finished games.
LOLOLOL
>>339851357
it's funny that you think that, and kind of sad
Why are you even having this discussion?
Invasive DRM is bad to any consumer either they are pirates or not.
Look at what it does to the regular consumer such as this one>>339851357
>>339851379
That's not even plugged in, anon. It's not going to heat up your trash-salvaged meal. Let me take you down to the local soup kitchen -- I think you can turn your life around with a bit of effort.
>>339851357
I don't think you understand modern game industry.
Rome Total War had more features, gameplay options and stuff than Warhammer Total War and that's because SEGA has decided since Empire that CA can't release complete games and forces it to release games in chunks to nickel&dime consumers.
>>339851275
Why are you so dumb?
You are taking the inststall base for games that have been on sale for years with games that have been out for 6 months or less.
Of course there are more people with the older games you stupid twat.
TR 2013 has been in the humble bundle several times for $1, it has also been in the steam sales several times for $3. Many people bought it for cheap in the sales or humble increasing the install base far beyond its original install base.
Same for KC2, that has been on sale in bundles, steam and other sites or $2 for years.
D3 BFG has also been on sale many times for $3 several times yearly as well as being sold on G2A and other places for dirt cheap.
You are a fucking dumb twat, pls leave this board.
>>339851729
>That's not even plugged in
You can ask them to plug it in if you really want them to, but you're digressing. Also, I'm not the anon you were calling a poorfag.
>>339851275
>We're talking about sales figures
In different time intervals.
>>339851357
Majority of today's gamers are console players who still happily buy and enjoy glitchy games like Fallout 4 or AssCreed Unity.
Also modding would just come down to what said developers "officially" allow, so they can still have us do the fixing for them.
>>339851951
Just because you deal drugs to the minimum wage shop clerk in exchange for using the microwave doesn't mean any old average Joe can walk into the store and start making dinner.
>>339842575
>people can't pirate your game
>you still not even trying to optimize it on pc
I wonder what they will blame now for low pc sell numbers.
>actually justifying piracy
Holy shit you people are faggots. Just admit that you like pirating cause it's fucking free and easy, I mean I pirate all the time but I don't try to justify with bull shit like how I'm actually helping the industry.
>>339850015
Arkham City has sold for $4.99 constantly though
>>339852432
That pc gamers have no interest in those games, and thus their time is better spent catering to consoles even more.
>>339850015
No, it shouldn't. You're trying to attribute any change to a single variable when it could be a combination of lots of things. People could be poorer/richer, hardware innovation could have stagnated/leaped, THE GAME ITSELF COULD BE BETTER OR WORSE.
You can't draw conclusions regarding piracy as a whole through 1 or 2 cases.
>>339850956
Everyone I've ever met talking about or playing fifa had a legit game bought, I think it's such a normie title the playerbase doesn't even know about pirating.
Not taking part in the argument, just a thought I got.
Some barely english speaking nigger on reddit released a partial crack for doom. Some people are reporting they can't get past the loading screen, the dev said he'll keep working on it. But it's kinda shady right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBmJay_qdNc
>>339852574
>actually trying to justify draconian DRM that doesn't increase sales and will inevitably result in games being unplayable in the future when DRM servers go down
Holy shit you people are fucking faggots. Just admit that you hate pirating cause you don't want people trying your shitty games before they buy them.
>>339852916
>>339852621
It's not 1 or 2 cases now, every single Denuvo protected game has sold less copies than the previous version.
Also
> a combination of lots of things. People could be poorer/richer, hardware innovation could have stagnated/leaped, THE GAME ITSELF COULD BE BETTER OR WORSE.
the things you're talking about also apply to a pirated copy of a game.
Just accept the statistics anon, DRM doesn't increase sales in any way.
>>339852197
You're projecting again.
>>339853397
Look, it's a hyperbolic way of pointing out that >>339850953 is probably the most retarded thing I've ever read. No, you can not try items in a store, not to any reasonable degree.
I don't like how there are literally no demos being made for games anymore. Like, would it hurt to just get a random cool section of a game and make it into a separate standalone demo for people to test their rigs/get a feel for the game before buying it? I know it can also be a deterrent from buying the game, but the fact that I can only see how the game looks through videos and pictures is more of a deterrent for me than anything.
>>339850282
>College
>A scam
Keep telling yourself that buddy. I'll be over here making 170k/year as a lead engineer.
>>339853175
>every single Denuvo protected game
And how much is that? 10? Statistical analysis says conclusions drawn from less than 30 cases are irrelevant and that's in controlled cases. Has anyone checked for metaanalysis reviews to ensure these games aren't all way worse than the previous ones? Or accounted for medium household income variations? No, they looked at 3 or 4 game sales and immediately drew conclusions.
>the things you're talking about also apply to a pirated copy of a game.
Yes, and if we reliable piracy numbers we could draw some conclusions (like if only sales went down we could infer some blame on Denuvo), but since it's nearly impossible to pirate Denuvo games we can't even do that comparison.
>Just accept the statistics anon, DRM doesn't increase sales in any way.
Look I'm a FOSS dev. I make entirely open-source software. I'm not in anyway advocating DRM, it's the last thing I want, and I have other concerns with Denuvo (fucking up muh SSD with lots of writes). I'm just saying you're arguing this wrong and cherry-picking statistics. If Denuvo games were shown to have massive sales you'd be saying that was attributable to a myriad of other factors.
>>339853175
And every single (triple-A) game released in the last 6 months has sold less than triple-A games released half a decade ago.
Clearly, releasing games hurts sales.
>>339853730
You can, though. You can rest on a bed, sit on a sofa, open, touch and sit at desks, try out computers and phones, etc.
>>339853730
>No, you can not try items in a store, not to any reasonable degree.
Yeah, all those samples, show pieces, and whatnot literally don't exist in the world, right?
Fucking autist.
>>339853775
This.
>right out of college
>first job
>making 140k + equities
>>339853775
Not everybody can be engineer, the "just study and yall get maths" is pure nonsense.
Gaming won't be saved until paid reviews are gone, demos are the norm again, and you don't have to pay 60 bucks a year just to have online matchmaking in games.
Denuvo only made gaming slightly less shitty.
>>339853753
But anon, you're supposed to base your purchase off totally trusty reviews, streams of the game by populare streamers that surely have nothing to gain from shilling a game and the likes!
Who needs actual testing?
>>339853854
>Has anyone checked for metaanalysis reviews to ensure these games aren't all way worse than the previous ones?
Well they are, but that are devs gonna do now that they can't blame poorer sales on piracy?
>>339854117
I'm >>339853775
this >>339853898 would be a very simple baseline you could use. Show how much the average variation on AAA games was, and compare that to the average variation, or even largest variation, from Denuvo games. If the Denuvo games had a larger deficit than non-Denuvo games, it's already a better argument against Denuvo.
MKdev is a fucking retard that shares half finished info on reddit so Denuvo can patch them next time.
Fucking retard.
>>339849778
>hasn't read aristotle
how morally illiterate can you get?
There are people who are born to be slaves, period. It's not anyone's fault if it just so happens that all said people have black skin and certain facial features (wide nose, big lips, laidback forehead).
If you buy used games or any used goods, you are killing the industry:^)
>>339842575
>Doom is the greatest game ever!
>100 million dollar Bethesda marketing campaign!
>Denuvo Protected so those evil pirates will be FORCED to buy it!
Less sales than the shitty Doom 3 remaster.
Hahahahahahahahhahahahaahha
>>339850135
you have reviews and gameplay videos for that
you people fucking know for a fact most people who torrent are not simply trying the games, they're fucking keeping them
>>339850953
this is different. this is entertainment. Do you watch 50% of a movie before buying it? There are no movie demos. Trailers are supercuts made by editors to give you a very general outline and are usually misleading in one way or another.
When the thing you're gaining is entertainment and not practical, sorry, you dont get to get enterainment from it for free. Just like you dont go to home depot, ask to demo a tool, and take it home with you for the weekend to complete a project then bring it back.
>>339853902
>>339853976
>You can use this item in a store for a short while.
>Therefore you can use any item in the store for as long as necessary to determine if it's any good or not.
Holy shit. I'm going to go down to Best Buy and play their copy of Crysis on one of their pre-builts. And continuing this "try before I buy" attitude, I will do this for the next two years to see if the parts hold up.
I stand by my statement -- retail stores offer only the bare minimum of sampling things.
>>339854554
Clinical retard detected.
>>339854164
>falseflagging
>>339854689
Maybe you should try posting an argument.
im fucking loving this thread. Scumbag pirates being absolutely blown the fuck out that they cant get free games like the babies thieves they are
tell me more about how you "only pirate to try a game out"
this honor system is not concrete enough, this is the logical direction things have to move. Developers don't want to, and frankly dont have to spend time and money and effort creating demos. Look up gameplay, look up reviews, look up forum consensus.
>>339854771
Nigga.
>>339854394
>D3 BFG
>been out for 4 years
>been on sale for $3 many times over 4 years
>only sold 520k
>DOOM 4
>been out less than a month
>already sold 500k
>hasn't even been on sale yet
hahahahahahahahahahaha
Fucking retard.
>>339854464
I can't remember the last time I went to see a movie for $60 though.
>>339854921
>Developers don't want to, and frankly dont have to spend time and money and effort creating demos. Look up gameplay, look up reviews, look up forum consensus.
How about I just play something else? I'm sure they'll love the no money they get from me.
>>339854874
You mean the argument that other products have limited demo capability while software like games don't?
The one you're retarding about claiming samples are identical to sitting in a store playing full games?
>publishers think pirates are the problem
>not that they make shit games
No, Denuvo killed gaming. Once they realize sales are unaffected, they'll stop making PC ports at all, and consoles are dead in the water after 8th gen. It's all mobile from here on out...
>>339854394
yeah im sure the people who havnt bought the new doom are hesistant because they weren't able to demo it by illegally downloading the entire game
you realize the average video game player doesnt even fucking know how to torrent right?
Tbqh I fucking bought Total War: Warhammer because you fucks said that it's awesome, even better than Shogun 2. After a couple of hours I realized that it's shit, and if I could've pirated it, I would never had bought it in the first place. If I could sell my copy, I would sell it in a heartbeat.
For me the moral of this is that I'll never buy again anything without pirating it first to fucking try it out before..
Oh, and it's funny to see, that no one talks about Far Cry: Primal because it was a disaster too. Even with Denuvo and it's probably not the only one.
>>339854394
Sold 67% more than the original doom 3. Somehow sold less than Doom 3 bfg. If you say so bud.
>>339855038
Most movies aren't 10 - 100+ hours long
>>339854921
>spend time and money and effort creating demos
Have you ever even played a demo you underage faggot?
>>339855038
Me neither, then again, I can't remember the last time a movie was 10 hours long or more, had multiplayer, and was interactive
dont get me wrong, 60$ is a bit steep but you're paying for more than staring at a screen for an hour and a half (queue order 1886 jokes)
>>339855072
>The one you're retarding about claiming samples are identical to sitting in a store playing full games?
Now, I know debates might be a little hard for you, but my entire point is that samples are _not_ a substitute for actually trying things. Keep up.
>>339855125
>he bought doom
>he bought TW:W
>he bought VR googles
>all because a zimbabwese basketmaking board told him to
you got memed and you deserve it
>>339854941
Doom is selling well because it's a good game, not because of denuvo. For every Doom, there are 10 Just Cause 3's and Far Cry Primal's, that have denuvo yet have sold poorly. Why? Because they're shitty games.
Denuvo is good for the industry, because now we can finally admit piracy doesn't affect sales. What affects sales is making a good fucking game
>>339854941
>i-it'll sell more soon! because I can see the future!
500k on a AAA title with that kind of marketing budget isn't good anon
>>339855125
>you fucks said that it's awesome
you clearly didn't do your research. Not only is the opinion in most review outlets generally mediocre, but the opinion here is extremely split as well. And this is all me assuming you can tell shitposting from genuine helpful posting
>>339855246
I can't remember the last game which was entertaining enough for me to have put more than 2 hours into.
>>339855387
not him but
how the fuck is sampling something not trying something? Are you dumb?
>>339855387
>but my entire point is that samples are _not_ a substitute for actually trying things.
Then you're fucking retarded, because the entire point of a sample is to try things before you purchase them.
>>339850293
its called shareware.
>>339854464
word of mouth alone launched much of the industry. many games survived far longer and got many more residual sales because piracy kept the games alive, promoted, and relevant. having a large surviving player base alone begets more players. nowadays with the lack of piracy a lot of games just die out and are forgotten in a few months. the player base gone. so devs result to free to play. failure to understand the industry, community, and how games themselves work turned it all to mass market cash grabs. it amazing how minecraft's success is the closest thing to how things used to be.
>>339855506
It will sell more, it will continue to sell more over the next 2-3 years. It will sell more and more once it has been on sale on steam.
This is the same for every game.
>>339855485
Nope, I only bought that shit, because I like older TW games, but after Attila I thought that it would be shit, but people told otherwise.
>>339855543
Well, obviously it wasn't just this site, but others as well. Still, it feels that I wasted a lot of money on that shit.
>>339855253
Yes I have you fag. Often demos are a little extra of development depeneding on what kind of game. Abilities or the map size or characters or story elements often must be hidden or moved out of the way so as not to spoil things/ give too much of the experience in the demo. Often its not as simple as putting a timer on or kicking them out after level 1
3DM here, we already cracked it.
We're waiting for the devs to start abandoning these games before we release the crack and they change the formula.
>>339843689
Multiple studies have shown again and again that pirates are the biggest paying customers of media.
>>339847808
>still illegal
No it's not, it's civil.
>>339856161
Sure thing, we all believe you m8 :^)
>>339856161
this doesnt make sense, why not just release the crack you have now
2 scenarios
1. you release the current crack then change it later when the devs change the "formula"
2. you dont release the current crack but still change it later when the devs change the "formula"
>>339855935
>little extra of development
Would you agree that the releasing of demos would result in more sales? Given that the game is halfway decent?
>>339854921
>forum consensus.
Nice job outing yourself as a shill, as if the rest of your post wasn't enough.
>>339842775
before denuvo
>new game releases
>people often have shittaste so trusting casual's opinions is too risky
>pirate it
>buy it if its good / wait for sale
now
>new game releases
>almost every single AAA release nowadays is riddled with terrible performance issues and bugs
>anyone who bought <shit game name> will defend it because it's too hard to admit you got fucked in the ass for 60$
>no way to try it out
>ignore it completely
Denuvo is truly the savior of the industry.. i mean my wallet because im almost not buying games anymore except for indie games
>>339856243
no
its illegal
there is literally a law that says it is illegal to make a copy of copywriten work
>>339856332
3DM is chinese and doesn't post on 4chan
Regardless, there are tons of reasons not to release a crack, mostly because security vulnerabilities at this stage are too valuable just to burn. BAK, MGSV, Mad Max, that other Dark Souls clone that I can't even remember the name of, all of them were cracked with the same exploit.
>hoard exploits
>release a crack for all games (10+) at the same time
>exploit gets patched
>rinse and repeat
This way you're not burning exploits on a single game.
>>339842575
With all the shit going on in modern gaming, I looked to a savior, a company I could trust. I knew I couldn't trust Nintendo with their censorship, amiibo scams and region locking shit, or MS who tried to destroy physical games and make everything cloud based, and now I know I can't trust Sony due to them scamming people with the PS4 when they have an upgrade waiting 3 years after launch. And of course Steam has always been a scam since it's all DRM protected because they own the rights to "your" games.
But in the wake of this I know who to trust, who actually has my best interests at heart. But you'll have to let me explain because it sounds deranged. Denuvo. Because they don't want me to buy a new console a year or two after I buy a PS4 and "keep gaming" or to buy cloud connected game to "keep gaming" or to buy amiibos so I can unlock on disc DLC and "keep gaming" with compromised, censored games.
No, Denuvo just doesn't want me to play games at all. Because when Denuvo is on a game--I can't play it, full stop. Since Steam is not an option, a game using Denuvo merely means I won't be able to play that game. They don't ask anything more. There's no lower quality compromise like an old PS4 or a 360 arcade. There's no scam they're running. They want me to go outside, to be free, to frolic in the hinterlands. They whisper in my ear "go read a book," or "go watch anime," they whisper to me of the joy that can be had outside the gaming madhouse. And when all PC games use Denuvo, that will be the day I am truly free. I'm not kidding. This is how bad it has gotten. The only salvation is an end to video games.
>>339842775
>want to buy witcher 3
>see GOG version on kat
>decide to pirate instead
lost sale
>>339856498
Depends on country.
I guess i'll wait for steam sales instead of buying games on release now
>>339856358
Wrong, studies have found that demos actually hurt sales
The majority of consumers blindly buy things and are uninformed and alot of sales depend on those numbers. Besides the added burden of a bit of time and money spent on the demo, stats have shown you turn more people away than attract, even if the game is good. Alot of video game sales are impulse buys are depend on dumb blind consumers.
Think about it, if demos were lucrative, they would still be made. Its not like they're hard to do.
>>339856740
Steam version was available first.
>>339856773
thought we were talking about the only one that matters
>>339856740
someone who "wanted to buy" it won't suddenly not want to because they can steal it. I go to the store because I want to buy food. I don't suddenly steal food because I can. People who want to steal food never had the intention of buying it to begin with.
>>339856998
false
>>339856615
I wonder why those fellas spend so much effort on this stuff, surely it cant be out of the goodness of their little yellow hearts
>>339842575
If only there were games worth pirating
>>339856685
>can't trust Sony due to them scamming people with the PS4 when they have an upgrade waiting 3 years after launch.
Translation: Babby boy can't handle technological advances and thinks they had it all along and it's a conspiracy against him.
>>339856896
>Think about it, if demos were lucrative, they would still be made. Its not like they're hard to do.
Yes, but the alternatives are apparently easier and cheaper. But I can see your point of view and concede defeat. Though I still don't agree on this bullshit thread.
>>339856998
true
>>339856998
>Projecting
>>339849601
>Concrete proof that Denuvo doesn't increase sales, and a pirated copy isn't a lost sale.
Do you actually believe the shit that you type? Why are you such a faggot? No one here actually gives a fuck if you pirate stuff. Is it that hard for you to accept that you are breaking the law and hurting developers when you do it?
>>339843689
if pirates aren't going to buy your game then whats the point of even trying to protect it to begin with? do people think they'll just suddenly crack under pressure and purchase a $60 7-15 hour campaign?
just look at doom 4, it was a complete failure in terms of sales, and it's a traditional pc game. same story with every other denuvo game.
it would have gained more attention and created more sales if it hadn't used denuvo. same story for every other denuvo game except maybe mgs5
>>339855764
>doesn't understand the trail off effect
/v/ is the antithesis of blizzard marketing paradigms
>>339856998
Terrible comparison, let me give you an accurate one
If you had a machine that copied food from the local grocery store and materialized that copy in front of you in your house and the laws were extremely grey and everyone was doing it which minimized the chance of getting caught and punished, you'd be fucking stupid to go to the grocery store and pay money
>>339855764
Developers only get paid from the bulk of sales made within the first 30 days. When several years go by, and the price drops, the amount of profit is severely less.
>they don't trust russia enough to pay $2 for denuvo games
fucking pussies
>>339856740
>wanted to buy witcher 3
>saw that it was available on GOG, DRM free
>bought it and the season pass
won sale
>>339856926
>Steam version was available first
>CD Projekt owns GOG
>implying they did not release at the same time
What does this kid mean?
>>339856998
You didn't steal the food because you're likely to get caught and dealt with authorities if that's a food source you visit frequently. You're makng a terrible analogy and I love pirating as many games as I possibly can so I can spend money on my other h/o/bbies.
/v/irgins are the most insufferable manchildren.
>>339857117
When you release a console like PS3 which lasts for 7 years or so, people will expect the next console to last that long too
>>339856740
>see Witcher 3 on steamspy
>1,645,942 copies sold
>according to CD Projekt, more than half of their sales were GOG copies
>overall, they've probably sold 3.5 million copies of Witcher 3 on PC
Weird, seems like Witcher 3 sold better than almost every game with Denuvo.
https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/media/news/gog-galaxy-home-to-over-half-of-the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-pc-gamers/
>>339857249
Then again, doom gutted the essence of doom from doom. It wouldn't have sold eitherway.
>>339857124
VICTORY
>>339857278
>terrible analogy
>now here's a worse one
If there was a machine that produced unlimited free food for everyone it wouldn't be illegal you fucking idiot.
>>339857297
>trusting russia
Install windows 10 and set your facebook profile to public while you're at it.
>>339857315
The cracked steam version v.s. the gog version on torrent sites, retard.
>>339857174
this image is perfect
I pirate all day but im not going to sit here and act like i have some sort of moral highground. Thats faggot shit.
>>339857376
Denuvo cucks BTFO
>>339857342
When a new architecture comes out that is exponentially better than the one you use for a similar price, you don't ignore it while hardware standards significantly outpace your flagship product.
You also don't have to buy it if you don't want it and love your horridly outdated garbage.
>>339856998
>Walking to shop with intention to buy food.
>see another shop with exact same products but free.
>Decide to go to the free shop instead
>>339842575
>denuvo saved gaming
how? there isnt a single game with denuvo worth playing, it's all modern AAA garbage
>Give up on cracking denuvo
>Denuvo games still don't sell
ROR
>>339848384
This person is a dumbass or a troll.
>>339857467
In a society that functions off of profit, yes it would you stupid faggot.
You may as well have said
>b-but piracy provides free entertainment to everyone! why isnt it legal! its such a good thing to make everyone happy!
You're a communist faggot if you believe this. Farmers need to make money and so do developers.
>>339857252
Holy shit you guys, maybe instead of speaking out of your ass you could actually find some numbers?
http://hitboxteam.com/dustforce-sales-figures
>>339857376
There is no correlation. The games with denuvo wouldn't have achieved the W3 numbers without it.
>>339857376
DELETE THIS
>>339857174
>every denuvo game has sold less than it's previous non-denuvo version
Seems like you're wrong :^)
>>339857376
not as much as they could have sold tbqhfam
>>339845912
http://mkdev.info/
Don't think he's finished but yeah he's progressing. Legit cracker.
I personally think Denuvo will be compromised completely sooner or later. People just need to be patient.
