Post characters that trigger /v/, because they don't understand their mechanics/character.
>>339842247
that is literally clint eastwood, huh
>>339842247
I don't get why everyone thinks he's even OP. He's really not that hard to deal with. I hope Blizz doesn't actually nerf him.
You are really upset about this huh?
>>339842247
>be mei
>see enemy mcree
>he taunts me in all chat
>yea whatever
>know the fucker is going to pop his stun
>instantly left shift, his stun goes off but nothing happens since I'm in my ice shield
>immediately cancel left shift and start spraying his face
>he's trying to fan me but misses
>frozen solid
>"Hey Chill out!"
>ice pick right to the noggin
Mei
Bae
>>339842364
because people run up to him and get killed, instead of backing away from him.
He is literally canon fodder for widow, pharah, soldier 76 and hanzo.
>>339842364
I think they already nerfed his stun
>>339842247
He would be a perfect 10/10 Husbando if it wasn't for the Bamf buckle
>Tries to be a tough masculine cowboy
>Smokes an electronic cigar
>>339842642
>yfw McCree is gonna get nerfed while Mei gets buffed
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/overwatchs-mccree-and-dva-could-be-changed-heres-h/1100-6440368/
>>339842312
The actor so nice they made a character out of him twice.
>>339842703
Except McCree wasn't designed to be the close-range god offense hero. Your advice maybe makes sense for a Reaper, not McCree.
Yes, keeping distance from Reaper works. But McCree can headshot you for 140 damage at range and body shot for 70
>pharah
>countering McCree
No it's literally the opposite.
It's especially funny just how little skill he takes. How you can have 0% accuracy with left click the whole game and still have top eliminations just from spamming fan the hammer. It's too good
>tfw easily winning a one on one encounter with mccree when he suddenly plays his instant win card
Fuck
>>339843023
>electronic cigar
where'd you get that
People really don't get that McCree was meant to be a mid range hero huh?
The fan and flashbang was meant to be a defensive option for countering flanks, and McCree himself was meant to snipe people with his revolver at midrange, hell you can still play him that way and get a shit load of kills, but why do that when you have the less effort version
>>339844715
>People really don't get that McCree was meant to be a mid range hero huh?
they kinda failed at that though
he's not as op as people make him anyway, he just needs to get his fan reworked
less damage and less spread, so that he doesn't do enormous amounts of damage vs tanks
>>339844715
Are you a game developer? No? Then dont comment on what he was meant to be like you know jack shit
>>339843704
He litterally was designed to be a close range 1v1 god. He is a flanking offensive hero who is meant to counter Tracers and Genjis and any other hero trying to get the drop on your team.
His damage starts falling off really hard and his FTH becomes a dice roll to hit beyond the range of his flashbang.
He has only 200 health and long cooldowns, so if even one part of his combo fails, he is usually completely fucked. And that's just in a 1v1. A Mccree will generally lose and 1v2 or more encounter
Unless you didn't see Mcree coming, it's nobodies fault but your own. Get good shitter.
>>339842247
I play Junkrat mostly and 90% of my deaths to Mcree is because he got the drop on me from around a corner and I couldn't react fast enough.
Not mad, you shouldn't be close to Mcree.
>Blithering retards
"MCREE OP HE SHOT ME IN THE BACK 12 TIMES AND I DIED
>People who play the game
"Learn to to turn around retards".
>Blithering retards
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO HE"S OP YOU NEED TO NERF HIM I SHOULD NO HAVE TO BE AWARE OF MY SURROUNDINGS!"
Or
>Blithering retards
"MCREE OP I RAN RIGHT UP TO HIM BUT HE FLASHBANGED ME AND SHOT me 12 TIMES IN THE FACE
>people who know how to play the game
"Stay away from him retards"
>Blithering retards
"NUOOOOOOOOOO HE NEEDS TO BE NERFED SO HE DOESN'T HAVE AN ADVANTAGE *violently shits pants when told he should improve instead of changing the game to be easier for him"
>people whining about the Mcree nerf
Already confirmed to be in the pipes. So yes, devs confirmed he was OP and no amount of green text is going to change that
>>339845958
He is like the most picked hero in competitive right now.
I like how this anon >>339845135
says McCree is only good against shitters when he is literally in every high tier game.
>>339842247
Mei/Pyro
>>339845958
When the only people who are crying about a characer are shitters, and a company listens to the shitters and changes the game, overall game balance suffers.
See team fortress 2 for 10 years of examples.
>>339845786
>"Learn to to turn around retards".
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>339846185
See >>339846185
Blizzard balances around competitive. Also, pick related.
>>339846107
So are are none of the F and D tier heroes getting buffed for never being used?
>>339846185
>Only people complaining are shitters
>133% pick rate on pro circuit
if the guys playing in tournaments are shitters, who exactly do you consider to be good
>>339845786
McCree's OP because fan-spam gives you ridiculous odds at killing anyone at any range
instant kills on squishy flankers with flashbang are the intended result, but he can also tear down tanks and rein shield and get random kills on 250~ hp targets by right clicking in their general direction
>>339846405
We only got D.Va confirmed that does not mean she is the ONLY one getting buffed.
>>339846415
Himself and his games obviousy
>>339846405
le moving the goal post faec
>>339842364
They should add half a second delay between flashbang and ability to shoot.
>>339846295
>competitive overwatch
>>339846608
and perhaps make his ult slightly faster as a pay off.
>>339846713
So your idiotic opinion and trash tier games matters more?
>>339846295
I haven't played competitive, but there's a shitload of hanzo and mei in quickplay.
>>339846295
>Blizzard balances around competitive
This is absolutely false. See HotS.
>>339846713
Its a thing. I played vs an organized 6 man team yesterday and our team just got buttravaged. It wasn't even funny anymore. I think we a killed a total of 2 enemies and it was over after like 5 mins.
So seriously question to all the people pointing to comp pick rates.
When Mcree gets nerfed, and then all the comp players switch to the next most reliable hero, and then that hero gets 130% pick rate, will you call for that hero to be nerfed too?
If comp had a limit of 1 Hero per team I doubt we would even be having this coversation.
Yeah, 2 Mcrees and with 2 supports and a tank and widowmaker is a pretty goddam ideal team which pretty much only happens in comp.
>>339846861
Because your rank/hidden mmr is probably very low.
>>339846894
Give exmaples. Also, it does not change the fact that McCree is disgustingly op.
Am I alone in thinking Soldier 76's Ultimate is retardedly cheap?
>>339846107
That anon is garbage himself, a lot of people like to be contrarian and say "This hero isn't OP, you just suck" because it makes them look like they themselves are good at the game. But really, when you can't understand that a character's utilities are far more lethal than they should be it's really you who is a shitter.
>be dva main
>think she is super strong already and like the damage output on her gun
>blizzard is gonna buff her and now she is gonna be for casuals and overused
fuck my life.
>>339846949
McCree was nerfed in the closed beta and he is still heavily picked. McCree is insanely good even against good players which is why he is picked a lot in high tier games and needs a nerf
>uses a flashbang
>stuns enemy insead of blinding
Why was this allowed?
>>339842247
McCree's "mechanic" of having no real downside and dominating everything around him isn't a good thing.
>>339847032
Its only a problem if he gets the drop on a team or is babysat by a Mercy.
>>339846295
>"competitive"
>doesn't realize how fucking overpowered dva is on king of the hill maps
just goes to show that "competitive" players are just retards that devoted their lives to being good at aiming
>>339847198
THIS IS A VERY GOOD POINT.
Mcree player here, I would tottally take that instead of a stun.
>>339846295
>>339846107
Can't wait for that Mae buff
>>339847032
>aimbot
>wall hacks
>things that are literally cheats are abilities in this game
Sasuga, Blizz
>>339842247
>pocket sand and headshot/FaH
>bask in tears of players who can't do anything for no reason
>>339843023
>smoking analog cigars
Get with the times gramps
>>339845786
>turn around
>he still flashbangs me and kills me instantly
>stay away
>he headshots me twice and I die
k now what
>>339847431
Widowmaker and Soldier are both fine. If anything, they have some of the less annoying ultimates.Widowmaker is still OP though, if you're good enough at aiming, pretty much nothing can really beat you.
>>339847086
>she is super strong
at what? she's a bad tank
she's definetley not a damage dealer
of course not a support
what the hell were you doing with her?
>>339847326
Winston just does D.va's job much better. The fact that she is slowed down while shooting is very crippling.
>>339842642
I swear, 90% of all Mccrees are like this. As Tracer, I always see them throwing off their flashbang at me as I blink away and then they immediately start fanning the hammer before they even see if I'm stunned or not. I guarantee you, none of these fuckers even know what hit-confirming is.
>Mcgree is not that good! just get good!
Then explain why the current competitive meta is always having 2 McGrees.
>>339847032
>I'VE GOT YOU IN MY SIGHTS
>Everyone takes cover
>He had no one in his sights
>Few seconds of awkward silence passes
>Everyone comes out from cover and kills him
It's only cheap if your team is shit and thinks the only logical thing to do when he uses it is rush him. If he's trickling then yeah go for it but if he even has one of player with him just fucking hide m8.
>>339843141
>Mei buffed
No thanks
>>339847703
Not him, but I find she's the same as Winston: Great for hunting down annoying squishies like Widowmaker. You can't really run around hoping to just absorb all the hits like Reinhart.
>>339847795
you're supposed to use it from a flank position with good view of the enemy team, possibly when they're all on the point so that they either stay and die or run away and not defend/capture
>>339843141
It says nothing about Mei in that article.
>>339847703
D.Va is tank version of Tracer. She's best at harrasing snipers and healers and do unexpected shit. But you have to be very mobile and escape most encounters.
>>339842247
I don't think he's OP.
I just think he shouldn't be able to kill any base character with one wombo combo.
But they're working on it.
Curious question OP: do you main McCree?
>>339847795
You can use it to "snipe" snipers, and focus down fast moving characters like Tracer.
>>339845135
There was a recent competitive match where one team went 2 McCrees.
Their counter pick was 3 McCrees.
You are just clueless.
>>339842364
His fan the hammer does enough damage to easily kill any tank with a stun/fan/combat roll/fan combo. He's extremely powerful and he's gotten so popular that he's fucking up the meta for certain tanks, especially D.Va since he shits on her so hard. Double tank compositions were really popular back during beta but you can't really do it anymore because if you're going to die to Mcree that fast you might as well just play a character that can also do decent damage.
>>339844943
>Character with revolver that is highly-accurate at long range is meant to be a close-range god
Are you fucking retarded?
Reaper is the close-range offensive archetype.
Shotguns. Close range.
Revolver, Highly accurate at long range. What are they putting in the water that today's youth are so stupid?
>in a game with 21 characters and 12 total player slots, no less than 3 of those slots are mcree at any given time in """"""""""pro"""""""'""" games
yeah he's fine obviously
>>339847032
Pop it against 6 players that are bunched close, it's not that fucking good. As it targets them fairly, not one at a time.
>>339846107
>Winston
What? What do people even use Winston for?
>>339847032
He is a shit of a characters anyway. His pew pew does zero damage.
ITS HIGH NOON
>>339847703
Dva is the best tank in the game because her flight lets her get to all the 300-health healthpacks in seconds. As dva, you can easily prevent yourself from ever having your mech explode thanks to the flight ability and the blocky shield. She isn't about hopping into battle though, dva is like a pyro, she is really fucking strong around corners and in hallways, and kinda sucks everywhere else. Dva can also be used to push people around with her flying power, and you can even crush people that are low on health by ramming into them. Her ultimate also lets her scare away any enemy chasing her, and get a new mech. Overall, her main strength is that she never ever ever dies. It makes her bullshit overpowered on capture the point maps. You can charge in, knock out 2 guys, fly out and instantly heal up, get back in do it again.
It took me a long time to master her though, which is why I feel she is underplayed. People just dont know how to play her. That being said, I am consistently MVP.
>>339845786
Fan does 420 damage.
He can do it twice quickly in succession for 840 damage over the span of a couple of seconds plus Flashbang damage.
It does not even need to headshot.
You can miss the majority of the shots and still kill most of the cast.
In case you missed this aspect of the game getting your sweet McCree KDR, this is an objective based game, and "staying away" from McCree isn't a valid option.
>>339848221
>what can counter 3 mcrees?
>4 mcrees
>>339848512
Countering Genji
Blocking points with shield
Auto aim gun
Mobility
>>339848297
>Literally any strat the "pros" use needs to be instantly nerfed
How about giving players some time, to adapt and find a counter? Naw, let's just instantly nerf every strategy the "pros" use.
That type of knee-jerk reaction is what ruins games. Most of the time, what you think is "OP" actually isn't, and over time, new strategies will be found that are even more OP.
>>339848512
dumping on supports and contesting points with his ult
>>339846854
Yes, funnily enough. It's the majority of the playerbase Blizzard should be trying to appeal to. I say this as someone who has no problems with mei
>>339848613
ok explain how to counter mcree I'll wait
>>339848613
They were tournaments in the closed and open beta you know.
As a dva main I am laughing my ass off at all the retards with their moronic mcree """strategies""" and other obvious shit, meanwhile I am enjoying my complex and stupidly op dva strats.
>>339848275
Yeah, it's kinda funny too, because anyone who goes Reaper has to dealt with Mcree who completely shits on Reaper at his preferred range + that that he's also to take potshots at him from far away. Reaper is completely redundant with Mcree around.
Hell, you can even cancel Reaper's ultimate with Mcree's stun.
>>339845786
>Stay away from him
If this is actually a tactic for fighting a character then they are most likely broken
HOOK LOIND AND SINKAH
>hear high noon
>go stand in front of the mcree as reinhardt
>he stands there awkwardly and fires a few shots at my shield
>>339843293
Can't unsee
>>339846107
In King of the Hill Tracer and Lucio have like 100% usage.
Okay nerds. I got enough money for one legendary skin.
Which one do I get?
>>339848512
Hard counters Widow.
>>339846969
Nova was changed because she was a pubstomper, she never saw any play in competitive matches unless it was a joke match. They completely remade her and angered a lot of Nova fans and she still doesn't see any competitive play which they say is perfectly fine not every character needs to be used in competitive. Gazlowe is another character who is regarded as pretty much a joke, but they don't move to buff him because his winrate in lower level games is fine.
And they've even said they don't just balance around competitive play while some people seem to think they should and others think they shouldn't.
>>339848928
none. stop throwing money into the sink faggot
>>339848579
>dva is a good tank because she can get to healthpacks fast
by this logic tracer is a 10/10 tank
>>339848512
Try going double Winston sometime if the enemy team is all Tracer, Widowmaker, Genji, etc. You will completely ass rape them because those characters can't really deal with Winstons AoE attacks + mobility + HP. They can't kill him, they can't escape him, they can't dodge his tesla coil.
>Genji can't reflect tesla coil
>Widowmaker can't shoot through his shield that easily
>Tracer is gonna get hit no matter how much she blinks around
>>339848884
A really good strategy that I saw in pro play was that McCree would prematurely ult while enemy reinhardt had his shield up and his own reinhardt would charge and put the enemy shield down then free kills for McCree. Pretty cool if you are playing with a friend
>>339848928
plague doctor reaper obviously
>>339849039
Then what the fuck am I supposed to do with the in game cash?
Just stare at it?
Retard
>>339849039
In-game money, anon. You can't buy skins with actual money.
>>339848512
Having fun, which might be a foreign concept
>>339849048
I've never had a problem taking out winston as Tracer. Dude is weak as fuck.
>>339849041
>tracer benefits from 300 health healpack as much as a character that gets 300 points of armor
SHIGGYDIGT
you are too much of a retard to even get why dva has like 100 points of health and 400 points of armor arnt you? It's because armor benefits more from the healthpacks. If you just got 300 points of health that's negligible, but 300 points of armor is a lot.
>>339848613
That's what happens when you have a game that appeals to MOBA children.
After the McCree nerf, the Pros will start using a different strat. And people will call for nerfs to it.
It will be an endless cycle of whine about things, nerfs, whine, nerf and whine.
That's just how video games are these days.
>>339848928
None, most of the legendary skins look awful anyways. Just get a bunch of epic skins
>>339849027
Hots dev team is not the same as the overwatch dev team. A lot of the overwatch devs were at the agentsrising lan
>he doesn't own the best skin
>>339849295
But Lionhardt looks so cool
>>339848613
I'm reminded of Marvel vs Capcom 3, when it first came out, everyone whined and whined about Sentinel being overpowered, so Capcom knee-jerk nerfed him on week 2 of the games' release.
Later on people found out that Sentinel was actually a garbage character and irrelevant, compared to the actual top tiers.
>>339847362
She doesn't need a buff and I don't believe is getting one, she's a very good character. She's just countered by the most common character in competitve.
>>339849446
>tfw got a lionhardt as a random drop
feels good man
>>339848613
If there was a counter to McCree people would be using it right now. Turns out that no, there isn't one.
>>339848832
Yeah, I love how it always pops up in balance discussions when something is obviously broken.
>X isn't broken, he's just meant to be better at killing enemies! enemies ought to just stay away from him and do... other things. See, they're not X, they're not supposed to kill enemies that fast!
alternatively:
>just gang up on him! If it's 3v1, you can totally do it!
>>339843023
Biggu Bossu would like to have a word with you
>>339849542
as a dva player I easilly destroy mcree every single time with defense matrix + thrusters
block all his shit, push em into a wall then blast his fucking head off. It's ez.
The real problem is that people don't play dva because her strats are too over their heads.
>>339849620
The fake one smokes electric. The real one doesn't.
>>339849648
Let me know how that works for you when the McCree actually knows what they're doing.
I got a super awesome potg with D.VA when took dropped 3 player in the abyss on Hanamura. Unfortunately Blizzard deleted it.
>>339849648
>roll
>get hit by flash bang because of the large radius
>dead
However, the main actual reason hwy she is not picked is because Winston is so much better than her
>>339849039
It's monopoly money, you idiot.
>>339849236
That argument can be used against any characters, since there are so many shitters in the game.
Anyway, Tracer is generally not the top priority for Winston, it's Widowmaker since she's a lot more dangerous.
>>339849273
The ideal would be that multiple strats would be viable. Mcree is a bit too good for that to be possible right now.
>>339849542
And guess what
Once he's nerfed the pros will start using some other strat that you'll whine about and get nerfed too
Screenshot this
>>339849914
the pros will be using dvas and zaryas
screenshot this post
>>339849648
Pubstomping doesn't count, faggot.
>>339849914
Your argument is literally meaningless.
>>339849785
I guess. He just seems extremely squishy for a tank and is more of a distraction if anything. Not to mention his bubble shield is fairly meh.
>>339850035
seriously though dva self destruct + zarya gravstomp is the most teamwiping thing in the entire game. Not to mention zarya and dva are the best and most versatile characters in the game.
>>339850138
You shouldn't be bunched up in the first place.
>>339843293
>tfw chose GET OFF MY LAWN as voice line
>>339849410
>Its an "anon is gay" episode
>>339849914
Even if that happens, it's preferable to it being only supports + Mcree forever. The meta would of course develop, but around everyone running 3x Mcree. Then we'd have multiple strategies involving placement of Mcrees on the different maps, and perhaps switching out a single Mcree with Zarya for the shields. And then back to 3x Mcrees again.
See? Meta would change, characters would not. He's simply too strong at nearly every aspect of the game at the moment.
>>339850070
No its not, the point is leave Esports bullshit out of the game and just let us have fun. Let the esports people balance themselves. Let them limit 1 mcree to team like TF2 did with demoman.
If TF2 was made today what would we see on the boards?
>MEDIC is overpowered as shit!!
>Demoman is broken!
>There's 9 classes in the game yet only 4 of them are being used in 6v6 by pros!! Nerf Demoman, Scout, and Soldier NOW!!!
>enemy team of 4 McCrees on the escort attack
>they get past the first checkpoint easy
>so 4 of us go Zarya
>continual shields and buffed attacks
>they never adjust and easy win
>>339849648
>he waits for your defense matrix to go down
>flash
>12 shots to face
>mech down
>3 shots to face again
>you're dead
>>339850408
>just let us have fun.
If your fun is effectively removing characters with a zero skill combo with no possibility of counterplay nonstop your fun deserves to be taken out back and shot. What a fucking terrible opinion.
>>339850509
I had to deal with a team full of Mei's during escort defense. They got to the last gate on that Spanish level and we finally shut them down with bastions and turrets. Still was a pain in the ass. Not to mention her annoying ass chink voice.
>>339846713
>"any game I don't like shouldn't have a competitive scene"
The fuck did I just read?
>>339842642
>ice pick
>>339850560
try waiting for the dfense matrix to go down while you got a chest full of mech metal, a face full of plasma, and a back full of steel wall, retard.
>>339850095
He's got 500HP, same as Reinhart. His shield is rather weak, but perfect for defense against Widowmakers. Lastly, he's super-mobile, and that's why he's the sniper-killer. You can't really outrun him as Widowmaker.
Now, of course you can outrun him as Tracer, but as long as you're in range (and you want to be close-range if you want to deal any damage as Tracer) he will hit you as long as he's firing in your general direction. He will definitely not be able to chase you down and close the deal all by himself, but he can finish already weakened Tracers easily.
Anyway, he's underestimated in pub games, but he's pretty essential in high-level play.
>>339847198
Blizzard is too mentally retarded to understand this
>>339848928
Best looking legendary skins in my opinion are
White Mariachi Reaper
Valkyrie Mercy
Barbarian Hanzo
Shark or Maori Roadhog
Pirate Torbjorn
>le McCree is OP meme
>>339850741
so basically what you are saying is he is a super shit version of dva
>>339850408
>let us have fun
No, you let US have OUR fun, faggot. See, it's not fun to me to just have a single character around when it would be more fun with more viable characters.
Go back to jerking off to TF2 if you think that's how every game should strive to be.
>>339850818
>le damage control redditor
>>339850737
You can't shoot while the defense matrix is up. Your only offensive option is ramming, and that doesn't deal much damage at all, AND is dodgable.
Face it, you've only played against garbage Mcrees, and that can hide their real potential. It's like only fighting against retards playing Widowmaker. She's amazing if played well, but you can get the impression that she's pure trash by how most players play her.
>>339850649
>Not to mention her annoying ass chink voice.
Don't forget her smushed-in fat chink face
>>339842797
>>339846608
>>339846735
The proposed changes are to make his flashbang do 40 damage, but to nerf his Fan the Hammer by 100+ damage. So he can still kill Tracers like he's supposed to, but not ANYONE he comes up against in one go.
>>339850916
>implying all the characters aren't viable and highly used at all levels of play besides the top tier pros
what?
They're all fine.
By your logic Demoman, Soldier, Scout and Medic should've been nerfed into the ground in TF2 and made equal with the shitter classes
anyone else think widomaker should have a much lower cooldown on her hook?
>>339850832
No, I'm saying he's an actually good version of dva. She's alright, but her weapons are really lackluster for actually chasing down and killing guys (especially if they're being healed) and she has marginally worse mobility + no fire and forget shields.
Look, if you think he's shit, be my guest. But I think the fact that the competitive scene uses his extensively speaks for itself.
>>339847771
>Blink away from the stun
You know that never fucking works. I can blink backwards when the stun is midair and the game will teleport me back to where I was before I blinked and then hurr rightclick.
I'm not even exaggerating, that is literally what happens. Tracer is unplayable until they fix the servers
>>339851215
I don't give a shit about TF2, if you want to discuss that, go back to your containment thread please.
Anyway, even while not everyone's going Mcree in pubs yet, there's no real counter for them if they do. (Other than you also going Mcree of course. How fun.)
>>339851435
>Tracer is unplayable
>>339850818
Hope you enjoy those nerfs faggot.
>>339851391
nigga, dva is FOR chasing people down. There is no counter to thrustering into somebody's head with your thrusters and WHAM WHAM WHAMMING them with your double shotguns. Medics do nothing against her close range shots, and if you really want to end that heal stream, just push them up into the air and away from the medic.
>>339842247
What time is it?
>>339851328
Yes, but they also ought to lower her fire rate. It's kinda ridiculous at the moment how powerful she is in the right hands, but she's less mobile than what I'd like. Would be cooler is she's less spammy with the shots, but encouraged to change positions often.
>>339850832
>super shit version of dva
Wait, there are people stupid enough to that think d.va is actually good? I thought that is why she is the only character out of the whole cast that the are only trying to improve at the moment.
Winston also shuts down Genjis and all healers on top of the already mentioned snipers.
I don't get overwatch. Suck ass as every character, every game feels like I just walk out and melt. I don't get it, I'm not anywhere near this bad at any other fps.
>>339851683
2:47
>>339851435
your own fucking fault for willingly buying a game with such an abysmal tickrate
>>339851435
Its sad that if I'm playing tracer I pretty much have to avoid mccree at all cost unless he's already weakened. Dude is too fucking strong. Half of them just throw the flashbang and fan the hammer even if the flashbang misses.
>>339847771
It's because of the low tick rate and lag compensation. If you don't fire immediately there's a good chance that they'll be able to walk out well before your fan kills them and you do not want to deal with its shitty accuracy beyond point blank.
>>339851741
the stupid people are the ones that trust "DA PROSE!!11"
if you actually tried to figure out how to play dva you would she that she can EASILY wipe entire teams
>>339851830
>McCree misses his flashbang
>Fans the Hammer, misses
>Rolls
>Fan the Hammer again
>2/6 bullets connect
>I die
What a skilled character.
>>339851778
Sounds like you might be bad at other FPS, your health just saves you.
That's assuming you're playing a "loner" character like Genji or Tracer who are given the tools to survive on your own. Alternatively you're playing cooperative characters but just can't into teamwork.
>>339851605
>dva is FOR chasing people down
I know that. Winston is just better at it.
>There is no counter to thrustering into somebody's head
Except dodging it. And it's not like the ramming is particularly damaging.
>Medics do nothing against her close range shots
That's sort of irrelevant when she's slow as molasses when she's firing. No smart player will just stand next to you while you're unloading.
Look, I'm not saying Dva is bad. I think she's underrated and don't actually need a buff. But Winston is definitely the go-to character for chasing down annoying Widowmakers.
>>339851993
why the fuck are you trying to fight mccree 1v1 then you idiot
>>339851972
>if you actually tried to figure out how to play dva you would she that she can EASILY wipe entire teams
Do you even play dva? Her strength is not fire power, but he ability to out maneuver and flank. She can ninja capture and stuff like that. If you are wiping a whole team with her by yourself, then you're playing retards or bots
BLIZZARD
DO IT
>>339851605
>There is no counter to thrustering into somebody's head with your thrusters and WHAM WHAM WHAMMING them with your double shotguns.
A Reinhardt who's paying attention will absolutely fucking ruin your day with nothing you can do about it.
>>339852027
I play CS and red orchestra and while I'm not pro material I do alright. I'm at least getting shit done in those, in overwatch though I dunno, I guess I'm not getting the team dynamic enough.
>>339851972
I play DVa and don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I have to play smart against non-retarded teams and only pull off mass wipes with a good ALLAHU ACKBAR.
>>339850408
This is exactly how TF2 threads were like shortly after launch. Demoman was considered OP and there were a lot of complaints competitive scene didnt use spy/pyro etc.
It was ridiculous, but the majority crying for nerfs is not a new thing.
>>339851778
Remember that there are a lot of ultimates being spammed which result in instant death, plus the fact that the match making leads you to basically be forced into 50% loss ratio. If you do well one game, the system will try to set you up so you lose the next one.
Finally, there are a lot of characters who just get countered with no real recourse. In UT for example, you might meet someone with a weapon you can't really deal with, but at least you can run away and pick up something else, because you're always rather speedy. In this, you can play as characters that really have no chance unless your team supports you, hence why it can be frustrating at times.
>>339851830
Mcree is supposed to counter Tracer and Genji though. That's like one of the few things they've done right with him. The problem is that he counters absolutely everyone else as well.
>>339852251
desu reinhardt is not a character that dva should try to attack UNLESS the reinhardt is on the edge of the map and you can push them off, or if you have a height advantage and he cant thrust at you.
>>339851741
D.Va is good. But not great like the other tops. She's fairly picked in comp as well.
The reason why she's the one being looked at and replied to at once by Blizzard is because Winston does her job better than her by a mile.
I use her a lot. She needs small buffs. Frankly even just tightening the spread of the guns and making her a little more mobile while firing her weapons, and I'm fine with that.
You should be thinking Zenyatta.
>>339843293
>>339850331
>>339851993
It's because you're shit.
>>339848579
>You can charge in, knock out 2 guys, fly out and instantly heal up, get back in do it again.
I dont think you've ever actually played Dva since the game's release.
Bumping into people when flying only does 25 damage, so now you've knocked someone back 7ft and your boosters are on a cooldown. You aren't going to be killing 2 guys before they kill you in the 8 second window before you can fly away.
>>339852194
>Widowmaker SMG damage decreased
Why? That's not why she's strong.
>Junkrat's suicide bomb removed
Agreed, it's just obnoxious and harmless if you keep it in mind. Just another one of those LOL GOTCHA xD abilities.
>Lucio worse self-healing
Absolutely, he's 100% essential in all teams right now, even more so than Mcree. And he's so fucking boring to play.
>>339852578
That's why I said a Reinhardt who's paying attention. A Reinhardt who's watching out for teammates, something he should be doing at all times, and goes in on you when you try to flank is going to make you totally fucking useless with nothing you can do about it.
>>339852578
Not him but a Rein "main", I can spot DVas from a good distance and will absolutely hunt them down if they rush in and try to bully my group. She takes less hammers to kill than Winston and is easier to rocket tackle. I don't think anyone was saying a DVa should challenge a Reinhardt.
>>339852869
>Why? That's not why she's strong.
Because snipers are supposed to be shit at close range, not able to drain 80% of a tank's HP with one clip.
>>339852917
This, this is exactly what I'm talking about. This happens CONSTANTLY at higher levels of play and is one of the reasons D.Va isn't picked - she gets hard countered by a top tier pick.
>>339852803
>8 second timespan
what is shield?
>>339851972
Now that is a fucking lie holy shit.
I play her a lot. She's one of my most played characters. And I am telling you right now that it is impossible.
>>339842247
>e
>rmb
If enemy isn't dead
>lshift
>rmb
>>339851993
The fact that he hit you with FTH even without flashbang means you sucked ass.
>>339851993
haha go watch anime instead looser
>>339853058
You're not playing her right then. It's super easy to wipe. Here's what you do.
>pick a corner
>mow down a group of two or three lightweights as they try to cross the corner
>thrusters your way to some health then get back into the fight
>shield up and make the enemy have to reload
>finish off the reloaders
>get mech destroyed
>they are reloading again
>unload your clip into the nearest tank that is reloading
>use ult to get a new mech
>shields up
>rinse repeat
>>339851435
But I just got PotG and a card and 3 gold medals as Tracer.
>>339853186
I play McCree and don't need my opponent to suck in order to hit them with Fan.
>>339852984
>drain 80% of a tank's HP with one clip
Pretty sure that has to be right up close unloading every last bullet in your head, because it has shit spread and mediocre damage, which in case she should be dead in 2 seconds flat by nearly every other character.
Meanwhile, she IS a bit too strong at with her actual sniper. Nerfing her SMG would be a bit pointless in my opinion.
>>339853186
>the fact that other players can aim means you sucked ass
lmao
>>339853392
Are you playing with absolute retards?
>>339853468
>mediocre damage
People have done the math, her gun is only about 10% weaker damage output wise compared to 76's gun
>>339853392
>mow down a group of two or three lightweights as they try to cross the corner
I already stopped reading right here because I just got baited. You tried hard though. It was quite long for a bait.
>>339853468
She completely shits on Wintsons if they don't catch her by surprise, nerf her gun and you'll have a better counter to her in general
>>339853392
>le magical Christmasland scenario with lightweights hugging each other and damagers watching you do it and letting you fly away before you die
>>339853593
76's gun also has a 100% accurate tap fire and even then it's not a fantastic weapon until he's ulting.
>>339853392
>group of two or three lightweights
I have a rich imagination too.
>>339853725
So burst firing is a thing in this game then? Because full auto on Tracer's SMGs doesn't seem to be any less accurate than burst firing with her from what I've been able to tell.
>>339853392
Yeah, it's this part I'm having trouble imagining:
>mow down a group of two or three lightweights as they try to cross the corner
If you didn't notice, Dva can't really kill stuff unless they're very close. No way are you going to kill off 3 people instantly, who will immediately run off while firing at you.
Also, why wouldn't they notice you. It's not like Dva is particularly sneaky. True, you need to play her sneakily in order to do well, but it's not exactly hard for the "lightweights" like Tracer to zip around and realize what you're up to. It's also worth bearing in mind that this is vastly less effective against a team that actually communicates.
>>339853919
Only with Widowmaker, 76's, and I think Bastion's recon mode gun.
>walk around corner
>enemy Bastion in turret mode
>mfw
LITERALLY how are you supposed to deal with him?
>>339853939
He baited with that reply. It was obvious be the second green text. He should have put it around in the middle so it wasn't obvious.
STOP WALKING IN THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR OF EGYPT'S LAST POINT
IT IS A DEATHTRAP
>enemy team is 2 bastions, tolb, symmetra, widowmaker, zenyatta
>our reinhardt/soldier/mercy just keep walking into them through the front door
Holy shit
>>339854014
Tracer bomb him or run past him. Genji rapes bastion in turret mode. or go fedoralord and use reaper.
>>339853593
Difference is that he doesn't have a rocket launcher + good accuracy. Even while tap-firing, the Widowmaker SMG has extremely bad spread.
>>339853704
Well yeah, because of her SNIPER MODE not her fucking SMG. Nerfing the latter wouldn't accomplish anything. Trust me, I agree she's too strong, but the SMG isn't the cause of that.
>>339853919
Bursting-firing is good on 76 and recon-mode Bastion (lel), but it resets instantly, so no reason to wait between bursts.
Tracer/Widowmaker SMG/etc. have static spread, spray away on those characters since they'll have shit accuracy anyway.
>>339854014
Reinhardt shield while damage characters wail on him
Get close to him with Reinhardt then charge him, he's totally fucked if it connects
Hook him with Roadhog
Rush him down with D.Va
Hit him indirectly with Junkrat or Pharah's splash damage
Get close to him and deflect as Genji
Sneak up on him and skill combo him to death
Bastion is only a problem for shitters.
>>339853392
I play Mercy and if I don't have someone to fly to I alone will do a lot of damage to you with my pistol before I go down, let alone two or three other people with me, most of whom will be welterweights like McCree or Soldier 76, not lightweights.
>>339854335
>because of her SNIPER MODE not her fucking SMG
Nope
>>339842247
The true problem is, if they nerf McMeme, everybody is going to play Tracer.
And a good Tracer is even more cancerous than the High Noon Man.
>>339854014
Come on man, we went through this in the open beta. Bastion is strong if you don't see him, but he's super-easy to deal with if you know he's there. Just be a bit careful if you see that he's in the enemy team roster, or hard-counter him with Genji.
The strongest Bastion play is honestly to just suddenly swap to him from a completely different character, hope you don't get spotted until you mow down the entire enemy team, and then swap back once they've wised up to your antics.
>>339842364
because his fan the hammer kills any tank in the game instantly. if you dont think that's fucked i dont know what to say.
How do you deal with turrets? I just had a game on Gibraltar and we couldn't move the payload under the arch because that little faggot dwarf had setup a turret in the very back of the map and it pretty much insta kills when you step out of cover. Also yes I'm bad and was playing with shitters but I need to know how to get gud and counter turrets.
>>339854003
>>339854335
Cool, thanks. Gonna have to get out of the habit if I'mma pick up Tracer.
>>339847032
>hold on to transcendence or sound barrier
>hear his ult line
>press Q
>he does fucking nothing
wew lad
>>339854648
Use D.Va or Genji. This game was made so that if you see something problematic, you change to its counter. Do it.
>>339854431
Please elaborate. The SMG deals like 13 damage at 10 rounds per second, with TERRIBLE accuracy. She can't kill Winston with that, even discounting his shield. Meanwhile, all it takes is 2 sniper headshots and he's down to like 50HP.
Honestly, if you think her SMG is the reason she's good, how do you feel about 76? His weapon is 100% better in every single way to her SMG.
>>339854506
Nerfing him properly will not stop him being a counter to Tracer and Genji. People forget how often top tier characters get only slightly nerfed and remain high tier.
>>339852194
>zenyatta buffs
he's fine
>>339842247
The only thing that needs to be addressed with him is something that a shit ton of characters in this game like bastion and others have a problem with
DAMAGE FALLOFF
A
M
A
G
E
Stop letting close range characters fucking snipe better than snipers
Mei shouldn't be one shotting people from across the map
McRee shouldn't be 2 shotting anyone that isn't a tank from across the map
Bastion shouldn't be able to counter snipe snipers.
>>339854506
I'm fairly sure their intention is to have Mcree still good against Tracer/Genji, because that's what his role is supposed to be.
>>339854885
76 isn't a sniper.
She needs to be absolute shit close range, not decent or good.
>>339848523
>soldier 76 does no damage
What game are you playing shitter? Soldier 76 does incredible damage even if he isn't hitting headshots. Maybe learn to actually hit the target there kid.
>>339842247
I think its BECAUSE we understand it we hate him.
Press e
m2
shift
m2
Win a fight vs any character
>BUT MUH DUELSIT
Game is counter class based, why do we need a character who beats everyone 1v1
>BUT HE LOSES IN 2+v1
so does everyone else.
Mcree mains really are reaching to protect their easy win character.
>>339854927
25 more health and more move speed and hes perfect
dying to one body shot is so completely stupid
>>339854927
He honestly is, as long as there's no Widowmaker on enemy team. She definitely shits on him if she's any good, but he also deals retarded amounts of damage, and discord orb is pretty much a death sentence if Zen's team realizes how dangerous it is.
How do people play competitive overwatch?
>>339852194
that widowmaker nerf seriously?
she needs a charge time reduction not a smg nerf lmao
hanzos charge DOES affect his damage...
play the game before you complain about balance
>>339855198
This. As a Reinhardt main he's perhaps my favourite partner alongside Zenyatta for walking in and casually destroying turrets.
>>339855327
As Zenyatta, I killed a full health Roadhog while he was healing as well. That fucking monk does retarded damage with Discord Orb.
He's one of the character where I can seriously get solo kills with easily.
>>339842247
>Thinly veiled overwatch salt farming thread
Fuck off
>>339852194
>junkrat death bomb removed
are you fucking kidding me?
>>339854962
>Stop letting close range characters fucking snipe better than snipers
Nobody does this, least of all Bastion. There's a reason Widowmaker is a valid counter to Bastion.
>Mei
You can dodge her icicles, hitting you just means she's good.
>McRee
He can't two-shot people, precisely because of damage drop-off. The bad thing about him is his 840-damage melee-range combo, not his ranged power. That's working as intended.
Let me ask you, which character do you play to come to these conclusions? Hanzo or Widow? Because honestly, both are extremely strong already and really don't need any less resistance from the other characters.
>>339855612
It's factually bad game design.
You're rewarding a player for dying.
No skill or resources required.
>>339855538
>hanzos charge DOES affect his damage...
no it doesnt
FTH is the one obviously getting nerfed.
You can't nerf flashbang. That would be retarded.
>>339855612
>kill Junkrat in a flank
>remember death bombs, don't walk into them
>enemy Lucio slams me against the wall which rebounds me into the bombs
>die
FUCK
>>339855082
Her SMG is not decent or good though, it's mediocre. Which character are you attacking her with and having so much trouble?
Again, a good Widowmaker is pretty OP, but it's NOT because of her dinky little SMG, that's worthless compared to the sniper. If you meet ANY good Widowmaker, she'll only use that out of desperation or to finish off someone who has like 20 HP left.
>>339855709
also its the only thing like that in the whole game. for what fucking purpose?
>>339855813
yes it does, don't respond to me retard.
played so much mccree literally burned out on the game. shit was so stupid it was fun
>see anything
>e + rightclick
>if it's a tank, you might need to roll and rightclick again
>even if you fuckup, sometimes squishies just die due to rightclick rng
>if nothing is going on, can stay far and take potshots with his 100% accuracy gun
>I play on consoles where aiming isn't as precise so I don't get why Mcree is OP
OR
>I'm a shitter who needs to get my easy kills with Mcree
Pick one, OP
>>339855864
Wouldn't really fix him against most characters though, only maybe against tanks. I mean, he does 840 damage at the moment. Even if they halved that (which would be extreme), it wouldn't even matter.
>>339856054
i play as mccree on console and he's just as op
>>339856054
You dont need precision when the person is sitting still because you flash banged them.
>>339856156
I can actually totally imagine. I mean, he would be worse at sniping, but the real problem is his retarded insta-gib melee combo.
>>339842364
as a guy who plays a tank often he's pretty broken
