Just picked this game up for cheap.
Who should I main?
Is Metaknight still any good?
>>339841502
meta knight's fun but a bitch to fight against.
if you want to be a tierwhore try mario or Rosalina or villager or cloud or something
if you wanna be a cool, totally-not-an-asshole person like me you main a low tier but fun as fuck character like Puff or Game and Watch
but actually just play everyone and see whose playstyle you like the most. Pac-Man, Villager and Bowser Jr. are all really fun and not shit tier so they're nice to start with.
>>339841502
Meta knight is much easier to play since his hitboxes are more accurate to his animations. But you basically got to get used to up airs into up b.
>>339843018
I had G&W as a secondary in Brawl, but I heard his hitboxes got nerfed and they deleted bucket braking.
>>339843421
Very early he was god tier in teams with pikachu, but sakurai fun canceled that shit.
>>339843421
yeah bucket braking is no longer a thing but he's still alright. his aerials are fucking great and downthrow still sets up a shitton of crombos.
would've been fucking nice to see a buff in literally any of the patches but whatever
>>339841502
Look at the official tier list and top player tier lists for 1.1.5 and 1.1.6
For Glory pros need not respond
>>339841502
main your favorite character or at the very least rep your favorite series
Meta Knight is really good, he's a balanced character this time instead of being OP but still very strong
You can use this as reference, OP.
>>339844215
Is this image b8 or is this legit? How the fuck is ryu top?
>>339844417
ryu is really really good but nobody knows how to use him.
>>339843018
>Puff
mah nigga
>>339844464
I know he's good but top tier? He has never won a tournament.
>>339844417
This is actually ZeRo's latest tier list that he made with cooperation from other players and smashboards.
>>339844546
troo. IDK, maybe this list is based more on frame data than tournament viability.
>>339844215
>tfw the only honest characters there are Fox and Sheik
>>339841502
The low/bottom tiers are fun, but extremely bad in relation to the decent characters. Unless you're playing seriously, it doesn't matter who you pick.Don't play as Puff though, it's a level of suffering you may not wish to experience
>>339844626
it's more based on potential
>>339844793
>Don't play as Puff
BURN THE WITCH
Someone should make a /v/kend so OP can play with us.
>>339844878
I've always mained Puff. I just acknowledge how painful it is to play as her in 4.
>>339844984
you do it
>>339844985
yeah, it's a hard life. the fact that you can rest after airdodging makes it bearable
or should I saybairable
>>339844878
>>339844985
Fuck off aloof/capita
Duck Hunt for max shenanigans. Best if you mained Snake in Brawl/M
>main
nigga it's smash
do you have a main in mouse trap
>>339845195
nigga does mouse trap have 10k tournaments
>>339845195
>TFW smash is one of the most balanced and diverse casts of characters in the industry
>TFW smash almost entirely depends on what character you play (more than in fucking street fighter that's for sure)
>TFW it's actually immensely important what main you pick
>>339844215
>Ryu
Good bait
>Mario not in top ten especially after GOML
Top tier bait
>>339844626
>>339844841
>>339844546
Ryu is the closest thing in this game to pre-patch Bayonetta.
Also Trela (Ryu player) won 2GGT: Pink Fresh Saga. It wasn't a national but it was stacked.
>>339841502
Just remember that it's not a serious fighting game. If you aren't having fun, you're doing it wrong
>>339844601
>ZeRo's competive opinions
>WITH SMASHBOARDS HELP
Holy fuck no wonder this is retarded
>Corrin in any top ten with zero results
>>339845195
Yes, I'm always the blue mouse.
>>339845961
What?
Zss,fox,diddy,cloud,bayonetta,shiek, and corrin are considered top.
Ryu is considered low tier, with jiggly,charizard and mewtwo
>>339845792
>Ryu
>good bait
Your an idiot.
Ryu is fucking godlike. Don't speak about viability if you don't play competitively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh0dOThbQfk
>>339845851
And Mario and Mewtwo won actual majors not a glorified Regional and Corrin has literal won nothing not place high at any major.
I'm not denying Ryu isn't top tier but this list is absolutely trash.
>>339846287
I never said Ryu wasn't top tier but he isn't number one you retard read the post before you jump to defend something that doesn't exist
>>339846237
>ryu and mewtwo considered low tier
wat
>>339846237
>Ryu is considered low tier
>>339846293
>>339846414
He's legit no.1. He's the best character in the game.
There is no other character that comes close in 1.16.
tourney when
>>339846237
Is this supposed to be a jape?
>>339846581
Off your theory crafting? He has no major wins just a few regionals plus he doesn't place in Top 32 as often as the other top tier characters.
Diddy is number one, followed by Rosalina, Cloud, Sonic, Shiek THEN Ryu
I'm only good on for glory for about 5 matches, then I just get irritable and hate the game
I don't really have a main, but I've been playing lots of Wario and DK recently
>>339844985
I main Little Mac and I feel really bad for Puff mains and what they have to go through. I hope puff mains feel the same about me, because Mac struggles with characters that out space him with safe moves.
>>339841502
Ganondorf if you feel like Ganonciding here and there.
>>339846898
You just don't understand.
>Can kill lightweights/mid-weights at 40% with max rage
>multiple spike combos
>True Shoryuken is a frame 3 move, has frame 1 invincibility, and little to no landing lag.
>can use focus to escape guaranteed death
>can cancel focus and mix people the hell up
I love how everyone talks about results when it comes to Ryu, but nobody did that when it came to Pre-Patch Bayonetta.
Very few people play Ryu that is why you don't see results.
This characters combo-potential and kill confirms are the best in the game.
>>339846898
I'm sorrry I forgot to finish
>footstool combos
>can survive at incredibly high percent
>shield-breaker
I'm probably forgetting something else.
>>339847093
I feel you man.also for a laugh, http://buffpuff.club/
>>339847318
Ok and Ganondorf can instantly kill you with Ganoncide and DK has his Cargo up throw confirm. Characters have really good traits but that doesn't automatically make them top tier. Melee Puff can kill anyone with a up throw rest combo much like Ryu's true Shoryu confirm but that doesn't make puff number one.
Ryu also suffers from a extreme recovery going both ways meaning it's quite gimpable. He's a big hitbox and gets combo'd easily and smaller characters like Ness or Kirby can escape a lot of his attacks and throw combo him all day long.
He has weakness that keep him from being number one. He has no way of dealing with Diddy's bananas he's combo food for him. Rosalina can keep him out with Luma and her godlike neutral. Cloud out ranges him and out performs him.
Bayonetta won plenty Japanese majors and even if she didn't win a western one she had many top 32 finishes
Just a reminder that maining certain top tier characters with really easy spacing options and get out of jail instant n-air won't teach you hardly anything about the mechanics of Smash. Playing as Mario for example you will get really successful results with little knowledge about spacing, stage control, timing, reads. Your gameplan will be based on easy to setup guaranteed combos and a safe flow chart completely based on muscle memory. Low tiers like Ganondorf make you smart because you are forced to adapt and learn from mistakes and get punished from predictability. Not just poke shields with extremely safe moves and Roll into grab for free combos.
reminder that playing low tiers limit yourself and results
>>339848332
>Melee Puff can kill anyone with an Uthrow rest combo
>"Anyone"
>Only works on 2 other characters, and they can DI away
Maybe it works on everyone if they put down their controller while you jump up to them
>>339848541
>Mario requires little spacing, stage control and reads
>MARIO REQUIRES LITTLE READING
What's with you low tier mains being retarded? Ganondorf requires little spacing knowledge because he can't space for shit you have to get reads to hit anyone playing defensively because you never have stage control with Dorf because he's slow and laggy as shit. Mario teaches you all of that because he has the tools to enable it
>>339844215
So Sakurai really dumpster'd bayo huh?
>>339848930
And everyone else she can just Bair spam them away
>>339848883
>tfw this is actually what tierwhores think
>tfw playing low-tiers is actually fucking fun instead of being completely autistic
>tfw playing low-tiers doesn't limit yourself at all because you don't have to stick to the optimal strategy and can actually play the game
>>339848332
>Ryu also suffers from a extreme recovery going both ways meaning it's quite gimpable
Easier said than done. I quite frankly think it's decent and has a lot of priority. I think gimping Ryu is very difficult desu. Tatsu is high priority and so is shoryuken.
>He's a big hitbox and gets combo'd easily
True
>He has no way of dealing with Diddy's bananas he's combo food for him
Wrong, he can literally throw out aerials and it will destroy Diddy's Banana.
>Rosalina can keep him out with Luma and her godlike neutral.
Luma Dies pretty early to Ryu, and True Shoryuken kills Rosa at like 50%. You could have Ryu at 200% and get killed at 40% if you were playing Rosa
>Cloud out ranges him and out performs him
Out ranges him yes.
Out performs him? I'm not really sure what you mean, cloud defnitely out places him because more people play cloud.
>Bayonetta won plenty Japanese majors and even if she didn't win a western one she had many top 32 finishes
Bayonetta won 1 Japanese major, that is the only major tournament she has won.
(I'm a Bayo main, not a Ryu main fyi)
You just haven't been bodied hard enough to fully understand, how fucking absurd Ryu is.
He goes even with a lot of characters, but his combo ability and killing power makes him the best.
>Ok and Ganondorf can instantly kill you with Ganoncide and DK has his Cargo up throw confirm
Ganon has lots of lag, lacks combos, and has very exploitable recovery
The only reason Ryu isn't top of everyone's tier list is because people don't play him. Seriously, theres nobody else in this game who is as safe, and can kill as early as he can.
>>339847318
>This characters combo-potential and kill confirms are the best in the game.
Yes but his Neutral and Disadvantage are not that great. Of all the top tiers Ryu commits harder than any of them and is rewarded accordingly.
>>339849342
>>339849342
except low tiers literally have 1 optimal strategy
they're low tier because they lack options and have to rely on a few moves
>>339849453
Ryu's neutral is okay, it isn't great, but you have to remember he can live to 160% or more. He doesn't need to have a great neutral to win.
He can get comboed the shit out of and kill you at 40%
>Ryu has to commit harder than anyone else in this game who is as safe.
Yes, but he's still very fucking safe.
Again he can cancel is focus attacks, and even when he commits to True Shoryuken, it has very very little landing lag, so he can immediately spot dodge, shield, or throw out another one.
Come play with us niggers
>>339849556
>>339849505
nah, they're low tier because they have objectively worse frame data. maybe that's truer in Melee but it isn't in sm4sh.
>fox gets me to percent
>i wonder if he's gonna start spamming upsmash
>mario grabs me near the ledge
>i wonder if he's gonna go for dthrow to fair
>cloud gets me to kill percent
>i wonder if he's gonna charge limit and go for finishing touch
>zero suit exists
>i wonder if she's gonna downsmash
>>339849904
ok you don't shit about those characters options
>>339850112
If I had a nickel for every time I've had some fox main tell me about how many options he has
>every morning I wake up and eat a big bowl of options
>are there gonna be any options at this party? I don't wanna go if there aren't gonna be options
>well guys it's been a long journey but I finally proposed to options
okay, yeah, maybe I'm oversimplifying things but low tiers and high tiers tend to have the same number of different ways to approach people, they just have worse frame data
>>339849707
Ryu shouldn't be living to 160. His recovery is gimp bait. The weak hit of SRK has no priority and hits at an angle that almost never stagespikes. It also extends his hurtbox past the ledge before he ledgesnaps for a good 5 frames extending the window you can hit ledgesnap. Tatsumaki is slow as shit and has no hitbox on the head.
Commitment is not just about frames. Ryu has SF jumps with no air control. When Ryu jumps he commits, when Ryu moves he commits in a way that most top tier don't have to because of their mobility specs. FA even when cancelled is a commitment because the dash takes up frames. TSRK has no landing lag, but he falls helplessly for a good 60 frames or so.
>>339850501
but you literally said Fox only uses USmash at kill percent which is wrong.
when Bair, UTilt to Uair are also used a lot.
also no one just starts spamming USmash with Fox, it's usually from something like a jab lock
>>339849904
Fox can kill with side smash early off stage get up reads, he can kill you with a Dair to up smash confirm, Dtilit goes into Upair well he can edgeguard really well too
Cloud can kill you with anything
>ZSS
>Downsmash
What fucking ZSS uses Downsmash to kill with are you retarded?
These characters have plenty of kill options meanwhile Ganondorf HAS to get a hard read which can put him in danger to kill anyone because he has no options. Wii Fit MUST get a read because she has no confirms
>>339844417
It's about potential rather than current results. Ryu is top 5 now and has a shitton going for him, while characters like Mario are good but already have their metagame figured out.
>>339850853
> literally said Fox only uses USmash at kill percent
I actually didn't say that but ok
>>>339850948
>Downsmash to kill
I actually didn't say that but ok
>>339845654
>TFW smash is one of the most balanced and diverse casts of characters in the industry
>>339851574
okay you got me that actually was b8
>>339851492
Your implying it you tard
>>339850657
When Ryu jumps he commits?
>what are tomahawk
>his moves auto cancel
>what is a double jump
As I said before he doesn't need the neutral to win, just conversions.
And Yea he can live past 160%
>>339852664
Not even Bowser can live to 160 the only character who can reasonably live past 160 is D3 because he's super heavy and floaty. Ryu is a fast faller and a heavy he can live long but not 160
>>339852593
well I'm sorry it seemed that way to you, because I wasn't. what I'm trying to say is that good characters can still be predictable.
>>339853062
>Not even bowser can live past 160
You do realize the only character with reliable early kill confirms is Ryu right?
A lot of characters struggle to kill. You should stop before you discredit yourself further.
Any motherfuckers here? I'm happy they're finally usable now.
>>339853489
What? We aren't even talking about Ryu's kill power we are talking about his durability you retard
>>339854692
You are too dumb to understand why I mentioned his kill power.
The point is that most characters in this game don't have early kill confirms they have to kill of reads, meaning many characters can survive to very high percents.
The only one who doesn't struggle with killing early is Ryu.
You're talking to a person who plays competitively and has much more knowledge, and experience than you do.
Heavy characters can survive to incredibly high percents due to the majority of the cast lacking guaranteed kill confirms
>>339856353
Plenty of characters have confirms and 50/50s your the dumb one if you think that still has anything to do with character durability. The fact Ryu can kill early with Shoryu confirm doesn't negate the fact DK has high durability or change the fact G&W has little. It still take Bowser to be at a higher percentage than Mario to die from a Shoryu confirm from Ryu which is tied to the characters DURABILITY
>>339856876
>I'm dumb
>"bowser shouldn't even live to 160%"
Okay scrub. You've got a lot of learning to do.
Ryu can kill heavyweights around 100-110%
That's still very early.
>>339841502
>Who should I main?
Your favorite character.
>>339854010
I main Lucas, his floaty-ness and quick but punchy moves just make him feel really smooth and fun to play. Plus he probably has the best tether in the game now.
I think he kinda has a low skill cap though, but I'm not a particulary good player, so I don't mind. Back-air spikes are just too fun.
>>339857526
We aren't talking about Ryu versus anyone because it's not relevant to Ryu surviving till 160. Ok Ryu can kill bowser at 100 what does that have to do with bowsers overall durability in general. In general Bowser can live up to 130~150 till he starts getting killed by most kill moves. Ryu isn't as durable he gets killed around 110~135 by MOST kill moves meaning he has no business living till 160 you gigantic retard
>>339857917
not necesary, but the character you feel more confortable to play with.
>>339858714
>in general bowser can live up to 130-150%
Wrong. Try 150+.
He'd only die at 130 if the opponent had max rage.
>Ryu isn't durable
>gets killed around 115-130 at most.
Ive seen Ryu live to 220%
Hell only get killed at 115% if the opponent has high rage or if he gets hit by a strong smash attack.
Smash attacks don't really count in this. They aren't kill confirms you'd use competitively.
They can be easily stopped by shield and avoided.
Ryu is durable as all hell and the fact you disagree tells me you're shit at the game.
It's just outright stupid. He doesn't die early. I forward threw Ryu at the edge of the stage with Bayonetta when I had 70% and he had 160%. He survived it.
Please go to tourney so you can learn a thing or two
>>339859928
>Smash attacks aren't used competitively
So Mario doesn't exist
Or luigi
Or Diddy
Or Fox
Or Meta Knight
Or a large portion of the cast
You really are a dumb fucking retard
>>339841502
Play Bowser.
>has command grab
>super strong
>heavy, lives forever
>has the best ledge guard game
>fire to keep baddies at bay
>has throw combos
>up b has many uses
I main him and I rape everyone. Join team koop.
>>339841502
Metaknight is fine. Try out him and the other "Swordies" to work on your spacing and then start branching out. As a Zelda main I can tell you that tiers do, indeed matter in the competitive scene, but if you're just looking to be the best out of your group of friends it's perfectly fine to just main who you like as characters!
For instance: Pac-Man isn't particularly "high tier," but with practice you can pull off some silly hype-inducing shenanigans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTpI4ghnNqM
>>339860153
I'm a better player and have more experience than you do
I think it's stupid that you're counting essentially reads as a reliable kill.
The only character you've mentioned that has a confirm with smash attack is fox.
>>339860153
And diddy*
The other characters have to throw them out and hope for confirmation.
>>339841502
>Who should I main?
Your favorite character.
> Is Meta Knight still any good?
Yes.
The beautiful thing about smash 4 is that if your favorite character isn't explicitly bottom tier, you can get pretty far, but even then, you can still get stuff done.
>>339861060
>>339861164
Smash 4 is read based because it's so defensive these characters do use thier smash attacks often in battles because they are good. D3 isn't throwing out smash attacks because they aren't. Smash attacking is very safe in this game because it's so slow and everyone aside a few characters can't punish with anything aside maybe a dash attack.
Keep acting like you know what your talking about tho
>>339861669
It being so read based is the reason characters struggle to kill and you have Ryu living past 160%
The fact you think Ryu isn't no.1 when he doesn't have to rely on a read to get a kill baffles me.
>you land unsafely on his shield
>up tilt up tilt
>true shoryuken
>die at 70%
That's why Bayonetta was so hard to deal with she killed early and didn't require reads. Ryu is the only character like that left.
I know much more about this game than you do.
>>339844215
>Rosalina not in at least 2nd
I don't know how she isn't. She has a meat shield that also prevents her from getting grabbed, and she has a spammable move that completely invalidates any projectile users.Also, every person that plays her in FG is an insufferable faggot.
