ATTENTION ALL WHINY LITTLE BITCHES
NO ONE NEEDS TO BE NERFED
If you're too fucking casual to realize that everyone has a hard counter, please uninstall your game. All the countless bitching will result in most characters getting nerfed thus rendering them useless. As a Widowmain, you think I'm gonna bitch and moan about Winston just cause he can leap 1000 feet straight at me and give me the gorilla dick like its his job? NO! I adjust my play style!
GIT FUCKING GOOD!!
>>339830934
>GIT FUCKING GOOD!!
it's possible to be bad at this game?
>>339830934
>he doesnt hookshot into safety
>>339830934
Mei's primary fire (not being able to turn and shoot is fucking retarded and is a free kill button)
Widowmakers assault rifle and uncharged damage
>>339830934
mccree needs a little adjustment
dva seriously needs a buff
there you go
perfect
>>339831169
D.va needs more Health, not a damage boost
dude, a fucking mcree killed me (reinhardt) at full health with ONE fan the hammer. what's the use of being a tank if he can do that?
>>339831209
>everyone can flee from dva
>diva cant run away from anyone
nice balance
Devs already said the McCree nerf is incoming. Keep crying
>>339830934
>everyone has a hard counter
>people think rock paper scissors takes skill
Why is this game so shit?
>>339830934
I hope every Mcree stuns and rapes your ass.
Mcree is getting double picked and triple picked on the pro circuit.
Statistically speaking, he needs a nerf
>>339831209
they either buff enormously her skills and stats or rework her entirely to be a flanker
>>339831092
>complaining about mei
this is so tiring. really stop going around alone OR/AND use your escape abilities
there's nothing she can do if you do at least one of those two things
widowmaker's damage is actually ok, she charges a bit too fast but it's not absurd
what counters a widowmaker who can actually aim?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIEY9-mPn4
>everyone crying about mccree and d.va
>nobody mentions that reaper us basically useless against a competent team
>>339831069
>hookshot to safety
>Winstons leap cools down in 0.0000872 seconds
>Chases me
>I'm fucked cause the hook takes 176 mins to cool down
This everytime, unless he activated my mine and is already low on hell, I'm getting the King Dong
>>339830934
>ALL WHINY LITTLE BITCHES
>NO ONE NEEDS TO BE NERFED
So what you are saying is Blizzard of all people didn'T fuck up at all. Or better said since all the reworking and rebalancing since the beta everything is completely fine now?
Fuck you and fuck your whole short-sighted fucking family.
>>339830934
This game has hard counters?
And people play it seriously enough to ask for nerfs?
they should just make it so that comp games are limited to one hero on each team
lets be honest x2 lucio x2 mcree x2 zayra or whatever is pretty boring
>>339830934
Please, write overwatch/genji/widowmaker/tracer on your post so I can filter your shitty threads.
Worthless shill.
>>339831380
Someone keeps getting their High Noon interrupted
>>339831473
Another Widow that can aim.
Enjoy your meta.
>>339831473
nothing. and you dont have to buy the one-shot-kill weapon like in cs
>>339831484
Isnt every class basicly useless against a competent team? The only solution is to have a competent team yourself.
>>339831484
>being bad
I bet you just walk right into the enemy team in wraith form
>>339831673
It's Twinston Tlucio and CreeCree dude. At least get it right.
This comp comes with complimentary Benny Hill song.
>>339831209
>her out of suit pistol does more than her cannons
ye no, shit needs a fix
>>339831748
Does Mcree even need High Noon?
>>339830934
So much this.
These whiney vocal minorities need to shut the fuck up, use their mental faculties, and play the game.
>>339831838
>not knowing what you're talking about
2016 fps player right here
>>339830934
>Widow main thinks novody needs nerfed
>He's so bad at an OP character he gets killed by winston instead of grappling into safety
>He think McCreeasy and Lucio aren't broken
Holy shit get gud
Even Blizz knows McCree is busted
>>339830934
>blizzard is le perfect
lmao I bet you thought swarmhost was balanced in hots too
McCree will get nerfed and rightfully so.
>>339831673
It is a Blizzard game. Between each patch will be a really stale meta of perfect heroes for each map. Blizzard will patch wahtever offends the sensebilities of the community and the meta will change slightly.
Get prepared to be shit on by your team as soon as you don't adhere to that meta.This is still preferable to matches of constant hero switching and hardcounters, seeing that this will turn games into giant games of chicken.
Lucio heals himself for 50% less
there, literally fixed
>>339831971
>implying stun + fan isn't already better than 50% of the ults in this game
Too late, Fan the Hammer is already getting nerfed.
http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/overwatch-dev-planning-nerf-mcree-buff-d-va/
>>339830934
Mfix tick rate and watch all those hanzo and black widow players shit the bed
What I'm interested in is how do you think they're gonna nerf McCree without completely breaking him, his synergy is pretty air tight as it is so any changes seem like they'll make him an nonviable option entirely
Thoughts?
>>339830934
>If everyone is op, no one is
So if everyone is no longer op, then everything is balanced again.
>>339831484
Reaper is the biggest babby hero. Too much HP, I-frames out the ass, too much ammo and too less aim required to fuck up. The only reason I don't play him is because he's so insanely easy and boring it's the fucking easiest shit in the game, and the game is full of easy shit.
Never was GIT GUD FAGGOT more fitting than now.
>>339830934
>As a Widowmain
into the trash it goes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNL-Lv3Cujg
Dumb faggot playing the hitscan bitch need to be hanged.
Mcree really should have been the underdog of this game. That one character that is really hard to master but can wreck shit in a skilled player's hands.
>>339832231
>this is the only thing they'll change
>People actually think Overwatch is perfectly balanced
>They haven't watched a single one of the competitive matches
>They don't understand Blizzard is legitimately wanting to push this game as an "esport" and what that means for balance
I hope retards like OP are ready for a wild ride of buffs and nerfs over this games life. Blizzard is doing their best to push this game as the next big thing and you're not going to get anywhere if the same 5 characters are getting picked multiple times on each team every single match. It literally doesn't matter what you and your dumbass friends do in a pub game against a bunch of mouth breathers, if a character keeps getting double and TRIPLE picked on comp teams they're going to get nerfed straight into the fucking ground.
The issue with widowmaker isn't her playstyle, it's lackthereof. I'm perfectly fine with widowmakers that put effort into their kills and execute who need be while remaining aware if their sides.
The issue i have with widowmaker is that there's no real penalty for spamming uncharged shots and doing 50 damage allowing almost every 200 character to die in 4 shots which isn't hard to do considering there are a lot of open areas and her sniper isn't bolt action. At the very least make her shoot it slower.
>>339830934
McCree definitely needs some manner of tuning. He outperforms all offensive heroes due to his ability to stun and kill any target in, no exaggeration, 1/2 to 1 seconds flat with next to no effort.
Widowmaker is strong but fine right now because counters exist and work.
D.Va needs something to make her more threatening.
Blizzard has already confirmed that these 3 things are a fact of the matter and they will be changed. Gonna have to deal with it, buckaroo.
>>339830934
OK smart guy who counters McCree?
>>339832008
nice counter argument
maybe you should be competant yourself?
>>339832272
>balance
Myth.
There is no such thing as a fair fight.
>>339832231
Dat no source at all. The forum posts were vague at best.
>>339830934
>>339831627
>>339832003
>these retards that think that a perfectly balanced game exists and this is the one
laughing my dick off here, you retards go ahead and believe that
mccree needs a nerf, which he is getting
d.va needs a slight buff, which she is getting
widowmaker needs a charge speed reduction or needs to deal next to no damage if not fully charged since there's no penalty for missing a shot
winston needs his shield to take up a smaller area or absorb less damage
lucio needs to not be the only viable healer for a good team comp
tracer needs to have increased time before getting a new blink
>>339830995
mechanically? probably not
But you can be a shit teammate
>>339832575
Winston needs to be left alone you mongoloid nigger
>>339831484
Reaper might be used more if the entire enemy team wasn't full of McCree's that do his job, but much, much better.
>>339830934
mccree doesnt have a hard counter though
you could argue 76 and tracer dont really either/
>>339832236
Who is that ugly ass fuck and why do you keep posting it? KYS
>>339832271
They won't touch his flashbang. Which is what everyone has a problem with. Wait for the inevitable shitstorm when all they do is reduce fth one way or another and nothing changes.
>>339832271
Increase his stun to 160 seconds. Problem solved.
Winston needs a damage buff, even if he becomes more vulnerable as a consequence.
His little bug zapper can be fucking out done by literally any character's LMB, even with his health and shields.
>>339832665
>tracer
Piggu shuts her down hard as does Mei
>>339830995
Yes if you play on console because no one ever fucking goes to the objectives on either team.
GO POST IN THE FUCKING GENERAL
STOP SHITTING UP THE FRONT PAGE
Whats Mcrees?
>>339831473
Holy shit this team is terrible
>Tracer never blinks and misses her sticky
>Junkrat never attacks her
>Reaper blinks IN FRONT OF HER and attacks her from range
>Winston doesn't knock her off the perch with jump
This doesn't explain why widow is op it explains why people want her nerfed - because they are fucking terrible.
>>339832728
she can easily dodge around everything they have though if she plays smart.
>>339832709
He's a tank not DPS. He isn't meant to be dropping shit loads of damage on people and his zapper fires in a cone meaning it potentially damage multiple targets at once
He's fine
>>339832709
winston absolutely murders snipers and support though.
>>339832781
And they can easily predict her warping if they play smart. This is not an argument
>>339832816
except everyone knows he can't do fucking any damage, so if you're around enough enemies to hit multiple you're dead before it would matter.
fucking Symmetra won't hesitate to LMB Winston to death.
>>339830934
monkeyman is op and is getting nerfed hard bruh. liek get your adult diapers ready because your anus is about to be destroyed
>>339832353
>couple LAN parties with friends with over inflated egos
>people watch on Twitch
>game out for two weeks
>pretty much same XP for loss as win so level meaningless
>competitive Overwatch
Makes me laugh everytime.
>>339832886
tracer has way more degrees of warping than someone can predict.
>>339832271
Sounds like they don't like how fast he kills tanks. Maybe make fan do less damage to armored targets or barriers or something?
>>339832575
I don't think lucio actually needs a nerf, I just think they need to introduce an alternative to him since he's the only healer in the game right now focused on keeping the team topped off instead of healing a target through damage.
>>339832404
That McCree shit making it out the door is baffling. Stun-Fan-Roll-Fan does 840 damage, and that's all bodyshots since you can't even headshot with fan.
>>339832916
>Symmetra
Good think she's only used in 1 out of every 100 games. Winston is a mobile tank, he gets up in peoples faces, that his job. if you cant play him without dying maybe you should go back to RIneheart
>>339832271
Fan shouldn't deliver damage that oneshots 99% of the cast effortlessly.
Current fan shouldn't be in the same kit as an aoe stun.
His ultimate should not return 50% of its energy if it fails.
>>339831323
D'va has one of the best, if not the best, mobility ability in the game.
>>339832886
Reduce the warp to 2 and remove health regain from rewind.
Solved that problem
>>339832781
>tracer that actually wastes her time with a hog instead of going for squishy targets
Why?
Roadhog and Genji will be the new OP heroes after Widowmaker and Big Macree nerfs.
You saw it here first.
>>339832962
Negative, you blast her a few times then look back to where she was standing and pop her. Its not hard. They are still hard counters to her until she is given an esacpe move that allows her to break stuns
Sounds like you've been getting bodied by Tracer. She stops being an issue for anyone outside of squishes once you get good.
>>339830934
McNormiesgetout needs his fan nerfed so he can still burst low health targets but can't do the same with most of the tanks anymore so he gets also a hard counter.
Zen needs 5Hp more so he isn't a single bodyshot for every hero.
D.Va's shield needs to be on a slightly less cd
Widowmaker damage gain on charging needs to be exponential so spamming shots at 5-15% charge aren't a viable tactic against low health targets anymore.
Lucios heal has to be slightly toned down when it isnt buffed by his e so lucio players actually have to keep an eye on the health of their teammates like every other healer.
The rest is fine.
Should Pharah be buffed? Even a tiny bit? Seems everything counters her
>>339833125
because amazingly free ult charge
>>339833141
it's the opposite. tracer has 3 steps to easily dodge an ability to lock her down and if latency is high enough she can easily escape a hook before roadhog shoots.
>>339832963
>Sounds like they don't like how fast he kills tanks
Let me guess, they saw how his combo oneshots a D.Va? Protip: D.Va is not a tank.
>>339833073
They could maybe increase his reload time to make the roll something bigger
>>339833073
Yeah his ult refunding itself if you just use it for zoning is the dumbest shit. The nicest way you can describe that shit is by saying it just makes missing not matter, and that's if you ignore that just saying "high noon" clears a point just as well as a hexakill.
>>339833135
roadhog is incredibly strong as a character due to his ability synergies but there's nothing that he does that sticks out since his ability to kill you relies on you being in hook range, him landing it, and also him not fucking up the subsequent LMB+melee, all of which is dependent on an 8 second cooldown
>>339832489
Genji
Pharrah
Widow
Roadhog
>>339833098
That accounts for nothing when she slows down to a crawl when shooting and has the worlds largest headshot hitbox.
Seriously she is more dangerous outside of her suit than inside.
>>339833374
So he's like Mcree and can one shoot anyone. But he's even better as he can do it in longer range and has 3xtimes the hp.
>>339832709
>His little bug zapper can be fucking out done by literally any character's LMB, even with his health and shields.
Incorrect. I play Winston a lot and if you're playing him correctly, you're jumping on top of supports and offensive heroes that aren't McCree or Reaper. Most of them can't escape your damage and proper use of your shield puts you at an advantage if they stick around to try and fight you.
Winston is perfect as is. I don't cry when a Reaper pops me, because that's what he's best at. I don't whine like a bitch when Reinhart beats me in direct melee because he has very few options to actually chase me.
>>339833247
I've seen way too many good pharahs to believe she needs a buff.
>>339832489
Mother Russia
>>339830934
t. McRee main
>>339833405
-genji cant reflect a floor flashbang
-flier vs fairly long range hit scan
-widow can do pretty well if given a long enough siteline thats about it
-roadhog melts to mcree if mcree gets the jump on him
>>339833247
Reduced her and junk rats ultimate gain
>>339833374
I have more problem that the game sometimes seems to fuck up the hooking, like it landed perfectly but for some reason the game didn't count it as a hit.
Happens a lot if you get hit by an ability that pushes you slightly after you should have hit the hook.
Makes him unreliable in hectic fights.
>>339832953
Yes, level is meaningless in terms of skill, because it's used to meter the unlocks. There is hidden MMR to take care of the rest.
>>339833747
hooks also fuck up where they bring the character like 33% of the time.
>>339830934
McCree is too good at close quarters. Mei used to have this problem but she got balanced. D.va's mech form gets fucked over by her cooldowns and lack of mobility when firing. Do anything remotely useful and you become a big paperweight real quick. Being more useful outside the mech is the stupidest thing.
>>339831209
She either needs a speed boost or an accurate medium range secondary that is good for picking off low healths.
>>339833405
McCree is an anti-flanker, Genji is not really a counter, but a lot of dumb McCree's toss their stun right away only to have Genji bounce it back at them. McCree is suppose to stick near his team and kill would-be flankers like Tracer
Widow is a counter, Roadhog is kinda a counter, depends who gets their combo off first. McCree can melt Roadhog's HP with his stun-rightclick-roll-rightclick
Pharah is not a counter, good McCree's can shoot the bitch out the air like a clay pigeon
>>339833597
McCree is a glass cannon. If he misses anything he's useless and you just gotta keep distance.
Stupid is as stupid does though so keep whining about something that isn't broken. Blizzard will pander to the kids who think they're hardcore either way.
If everyone says everyone is overpowered that clearly means its pretty balanced. What is really happening here is /v/ players can't adapt and refuse to change their class and instead 'main' something that is getting hard countered.
>>339830934
oh! I love this character and have gotten so good with them
>other team picks chars
welp guess I can't play the char I want because I have to counter
great game design lol
>>339830934
Blizzard would disagree with you.
>>339833943
and thats why everyone in competitive used at least 2 mcrees most of the time
because hes useless without a flashbang.
>>339832916
>so if you're around enough enemies to hit multiple you're dead before it would matter.
Any single heroes facing multiple enemies at the same time is going to die. This example is just bad.
Winston's conical attack is meant to easy track his target; the ability to attack multiple targets at the same time is simply a side effect and definitely shouldn't be utilized unless you're in a favorable condition to do so. And no, a favorable condition isn't "I jumped behind their whole team, and they all saw me and turned around." It should be "I jumped around them, they didn't see me, and I have complete access to Mercy/Lucio's backside and will disrupt them until either they die or I can jump away to avoid death."
>fucking Symmetra won't hesitate to LMB Winston to death.
Symmetra won't beat Winston unless Winston just picked the wrong fight. His tesla cannon shreds whole rooms of turrets instantly and unless this Symmetra is outjuking you with her conical attack, your conical attack will beat her.
It sounds like you just don't know how to play Winston yet. Keep trying, but keep in mind that taking on large groups of offensive characters isn't what you do best. Jumping onto soft supports and weak heroes and jumping out if needed is what you excel at, and it's a great role.
>>339833847
Actually D.Va is good in hit and run and should be played like that.
Fly somebody in the face, melee, shield till they have to reload or a teammate can flank the guy, shoot during enemy reload, jet away to big health pack, engage again, repeat.
Her survivability depends on her mobility not on the health of the mech.
>>339833943
Dude he can reload really fast, how is he useless when missing?
The only things I wanna see is these
>Recon Visor and Resurrection take a little longer to charge, it's pretty fucking quick.
>Also make the sound on recon visor a big louder, it gets drowned out in the chaos really easily but it is pretty important to know when the enemy has it
>D.Va given something. I don't really play her but I rarely see one that has been useful because her kit is kinda shit.
>McCree probably shouldn't instantly kill tanks. Thats a bit much, especially because he can flashbang over Reinhardt shield.
Overall small changes.
>>339832575
>winston's shield needs a nerf
I'd like some of what you're on right now. that thing lasts 3 seconds at best
>>339830934
>>339834047
That means your bad.
Stop being bad.
Honestly McCree is really good, but I think it's OK that way. Just reduce the duration of his stun a little and he's fine. Lots of good champs, plus they'll probably add new broken classes ala Death Knights
>>339833817
>There is hidden MMR to take care of the rest.
You mean the 50% equilibrium algorithm?
Yeah that's not really hidden, also the game doesn't match by skill at all.
>>339833509
McCree can not only oneshot you in a single fan he can roll and fan again so he can potentially kill 3 people in 2 fans if you position poorly
Roadhog has a shotgun and even with the alt fire the damage spread is too great to kill anyone reliably past midrange, his hook is the longest attack he has and it's single target and 8 seconds before he can throw another
McCree also can snipe any 200hp character in 2 LMBs which have damage falloff but still deal a ton
simply put McCree shits out damage regardless of having any cooldowns since fan only requires you to reload and he has no real bad range of engagement outside of being sniped across the map
>>339834079
What's with this competitive meme? You guys keep saying it like there's this vibrant competitive community yet there's no ranked play option.
Whatever, if there's a vocal minority that claims they're the true arbiters of opinions cuz they think they're hardcore FPS players then so be it. I still disagree with them.
>>339833405
Genji doesn't because the tick rate makes reflecting a flashbang on reaction basically impossible if you don't predict it.
At virtually any range where McCree can't combo her phara still losses because hitscan counters projectiles.
Widow is just as broken as McCree and she doesn't counter him any more than she counters anyone else who isn't a dedicated anti sniper. She can't even kill him with one bodyshot.
Roadhog Vs McCree is whoever gets the drop on the other but even then another McCree would be better because he can start his combo from around a corner while Roadhog needs line of sight.
>>339832575
I think Winston is generally fine. His shield is already kinda squishy, if the enemy team has a junkrat or phara it dies in seconds.
It actually surprises me how shit 90% of the posters on this board are.
>>339834371
there have been teams playing for money since closed beta
its not a meme its a real home grown scene.
>>339834082
well Symmetra vs Winston is a 50/50 matchup with no symmetra turrets standing, because the lock on on indian girls lmb is stronger than on winstons.
Never underestimate her DMG in close quarters, it can shred anything if she isn't focused while jumping around between your teammates.
>>339830934
>NO ONE NEEDS TO BE NERFED
You are insane if you don't think McCree needs a nerf.
>>339832575
Lucio is shit if your team is, well, not a team. I can't heal you if you're playing like this is CoD. Mercy is better when everybody is retarded and refuses to listen to your advice to stick together.
>>339834028
McCree and Widowmaker are then only ones that are seriously being considered for nerfs. McCree gets double- and triple-picked in competetive games, which pretty much guarantees that he'll get nerfed.
Widowmaker is someone who can simply one-shot people past a certain level of skill, with no viable counter until after the fact.
>>339830934
Hey op, sounds like you need to git gud
>>339834424
Winston is the weakest tank, ANY tank is stronger.
>>339834514
>When teammates get hurt they always run into other buildings and hide spamming "need healing"
>If they just stayed outside while I was turning up the volume they would be at full health right now.
>>339831462
>Everyone has a hard counter
>Okay what about mei
>STOP 1V1 HER SHITTERS
Nice "hard counter" you fucking retard
If you're complaining about any of the heroes then you just fucking suck. If you see a McCree coming at you then avoid the nigger. Have someone else on your team help you out and not be an idiot about it.
>>339834556
Yea git gud op
>>339834514
>Have to shift big distances to heal several people everytime exposing yourself
>Never be able to Res more than one guy because they are seperated over the whole map
>People running from 1v2 fights while you heal them and leaving you to die
At least with lucio i can just speedboost and dodge.
But with shitters playing every support is rage inducing.
>>339834371
They are pushing their e-sports thing since a year son. Have you been living under a rock?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biI6pVhkM9Q
>>339833434
I agree with you, but that wasn't the point that was brought up. >>339831323
She's very good at un-roosting a sniper, or harassing a support. But I'm not sure when I'd say she's a better pick then Genji who does the same things.
>>339834568
have you forgotten about dva the kinder egg of uselessness?
>>339834568
Nigga what are you smoking Winston is one of the most useful tanks in the game.
He has low damage, but he fucks up squishy backlines easily and safely, his ult is one of the best point defenders in the game, he has great mobility, and his shield is squishy, but also does not require him to pay attention to it after he places it unlike Reinhardt. Also his shield can really fuck up certain ults if you are clever about it. My favorite example is putting it on a D.Va bomb to completely contain it.
>>339834453
Oh, so playing for money makes it comp? I always forget once advertising and marketing get involved suddenly it becomes serious business. Too fucking funny. Enjoy your commercials between a game anyone can play.
>>339834687
Yes, lets just avoid Mcree and let him run around freely to kill the backline classes. Great idea.
>>339834668
WHY THE HELL ARE YOU 1V1 A CLASS MADE TO PUNISH 1V1
I NEVER FUCKING SAID EVERYBODY HAS A HARD COUNTER
EVEN THOUGH SHE ACTUALLY HAS AND IT'S CALLED MC FUCKING REE
TELL ME HE DOESN'T SHRED HER WITH JUST A STUN+FAN
>>339834469
I play both Winston and Symmetra a lot and you're half-right.
Symmetra's beam becomes stronger over a few seconds of maintaining it on winston and can indeed melt him quite fast, but unless she gets the drop on Winston, monkeyman will deplete her small healthpool with his consistent DPS.
Winston also has a method of escape that Symmetra cannot compete with.
All in all, if you're playing Winston and you see a Symmetra in a doorway, you can probably take her out with some smart peeking in, sweeping away turrets, then returning to finish her off. If she gets the drop on you, though, you'll have a tough time.
>>339830934
hanzo and windowmaker could use a nerf for sure
>Treating a casual team shooter like it's competitive
who cares just have fun
>>339830934
Please tell me how I am suppose to counter.
>Mei, Tracer, Reinhart's ults
>Hanzo's Shotgun Arrow
>Widowmakers Hitscan gun that kills 2 characters in one body shot and puts half the cast into 25% health
>Mcree's flashbang
>Roadhog's hitscan hook which pulls through walls, kills half the cast in one combo, and often doesn't even sync up with the server/client
>and a friendly Mei's wall
These abilities are based entirely around your opponents skills an not yours in any way. You're just fucked if the enemy decides it's your turn to die. Even Genji, who is Hanzo's direct counter is fucked if he doesn't reflect precisely in between when Hanzo fire the arrow and when it lands. There's no way to get good when Tracer sticks you with her ult and imminently rewinds. There's no way to get good when mcree can flashbang over Reinhard's shield and kill him before the stun even wears off.
>People complain about Mcree even though Zarya can easily counter him.
You guys are buns
I'd rather have a Dva on the team than a genji that I just know is gonna suck.
>>339834753
See my response here, not that you care.
>>339834846
>>339830934
According to the dev Mcree needs to get go and stay go.
Everyone is fine, I think Mcree is shitty and reaper is a very boring design but the balance is great. If they fix the Mcree flash then everything will be about perfect.
Used 76 for the first time after playing over 20 hours
Damn he's good. Sprint for mobility. Good primary fire, auto for close, burst shots for mid, tap for long range.
Heal, a fucking HEAL
His rockets are kinda whatever but adds decent damage to his game
and damn, DAT ULT
Went 30-4, but still couldn't carry my shit team
>>339833583
is that a mod? She is o much better without pink hair.
>>339834846
you know people tend to really play well and think up strategies when it comes to winning money.
i dont know how it makes it not competitive?
>>339834986
Thats not a hard counter really.
If Mcree gets the shot off first He'll win.
>>339834870
Yeah you have to pick fights with him in close quarters, but if you are out in the open as Symmetra you are doing something wrong.
You just peak to annoy the rein with a charged rmb or zone corners and have a eye on your turrets to call where the enemy is flanking.
But like i said Indiangrill vs Monkey is a 50/50 depending on position and part of the map
>>339834846
Uh, yeah, that's kinda the gauge. Welcome to e-sports since forever. It usually starts with prize pool funding from a tech company, and goes up from there.
Even L4D had numerous tournaments with prize pools.
>>339834951
Because the piece of shit doesn't have any content except competitive objective based modes.
>>339834687
>If you see a McCree coming
Point invalidated
>>339834568
None of the other tanks can jump into the backline of the enemy and attempt to kill their healers and support, save for D.Va.
Roadhog has zero mobility and presents a danger zone to enemies.
Reinhardt has zero mobility (charge is not a mobility tool and will get you killed) and presents a defensive mobile platform while also being dangerous at extremely close ranges.
Zarya can protect herself and a single ally, but smart reaction against her shields means she herself won't do much damage.
Winston is a very strong tank, but his roll as a mobile, meaty harasser isn't shared by the other tanks.
>>339834986
>Zarya easily counters him
Maybe if Mcree forgot he had his flashbang
and his roll
and his fan
and his gun
>>339834972
>Mei
Get out of it or have teammates who can keep you alive during it such as Lucio or Zenyatta. Lucio can also speed you up to run out of it.
>Tracer
It's pretty easy to dodge, and if it's on you just run back from your team as to not kill them.
>Reinhardt
Pretty much the same thing as Mei's but easier.
>Hanzo shotgun arrow
Don't try to fight him in enclosed spaces where it will bounce around a lot.
>Widowmaker
Yeah they should probably reduce it a bit.
>Roadhog
Honestly just rely on the tank to protect you. He can't pull you through shields. Also you can play a character that fucks him up. Someone like Mei and Lucio survive his combo because Mei ice blocks, and Lucio pushes him away and runs.
>Friendly Mei's wall
Attempt to tell her nicely and hope she listens.
>>339834668
Mei dies to almost everyone though.
>>339833141
>it's another over-confident Roadhog because he hooked a Tracer in a pub game a few times episode
>>339835337
Flashbang doesn't work against anyone who's shielded.
>>339830995
Using Reinhardt and playing like it's Gravball from Halo would be bad.
>>339835087
Soldier 76 is amazingly useful but he lacks some of the 1v1 powers of other offense. Essentially he can fit into any team because of his pure utility (fuck man he has a heal) and his ult combos really well with a lot of other ults in the game.
He is great, but not OP.
>>339835149
Also it will take a Zarya longer to kill McRee than her self barrier lasts.
>>339835192
That's fair. Any hero has somewhat of a chance against all other heroes, and situation/skill can make a Hanzo prevail over a Tracer.
Well, except for McCree, who counters everyone and leaves them no room to retaliate in any fashion, but that is getting fixed soon so, yep.
>>339834753
>Surefour still allowed to play
Pharah does an alright job of countering mcree
Stay high up and use your E to hit him around so he cant get a good shot on you
>>339834986
mcree only loses if he:
A:flashes immediately like a fucking idiot
B:aims so badly that he can't bait out shield then flash/fan
zayra is not a favorable mu, stop saying it is
>>339835437
Shield has a maximum damage threshold of 200.
McCree's EZcombo does 840.
McCree can easily outperform Zarya's dps, and once she's thrown out her shield to not die from the first fan, she has no mobility to escape the flashbang.
McCree and Lucio need to be nerfed
Lucio just outclasses every other healer its not even funny
how the fuck does a cowboy have flashbangs anyway
why not pocket sand
>>339834972
Roadhog's hook is not hitscan, the reason it seems like it is is the garbage servers and tick rate as well as the characters having unbelievably fucked up hitboxes. Seriously just go into the training mode and try it yourself, it's very clearly not hitscan.
The hitboxes are total garbage though. Enter a private match with a friend, have them stand still, then try tracing their outline with zarya's primary attack and watch the hitmarkers.
>>339835567
Well i posted earlier that McRee's fan should be nerfed. he shouldn't be able to burst "EVERY" hero in the game that easily. It's ok if he does that with a full health Attacker, but being able to do the same with a full health tank makes him imba.
A Stun-Fan-Roll-Fan shouldn't obliterate a Rein like it does now.
By being able to still oneshot attackers he flanks but not tanks it would make his playstyle more interesting because positioning would be more important for him.
If he than still kills 3 squishies with his combo he deserved it.
>>339835654
meanwhile he hits you with 2-3 LMB since you're up in the air
>>339835350
When Mei drops her ult there are only 5 characters that can escape it and that's assuming you have your escape up, and the healing is completely mitigated by the damage the ult does on top of the damage you are almost certainly taking from the enemy team.
Please tell me how I am suppose to dodge something that can literally teleport behind me, stick me, and then teleport away in less than a second?
Reinhardt can't even be escaped as it is an instant stun instead of a slow, the only counter is to hope your team can either kill him and his team or heal you through the damage.
Hanzo doesn't need enclosed spaces, if the arrow lands at your feet which is easy to pull off it will do 375 damage which is more than enough to kill most characters.
So the only counter to hook is to hope your team is paying attention or just continuously disengage.
The problems with these is that they aren't "counters" it's "do everything in your power to not play the game".
And I'm not even talking about garbage like Mcree and 76's ults which grind the otherwise fast paced game to a standstill while you wait for the timer to run out.
>>339830934
Literally the only thing that needs changing is Zenyatta beeing able to get trapped by Junkrats beartrap
>>339833151
>McNormiesgetout needs his fan nerfed so he can still burst low health targets but can't do the same with most of the tanks anymore so he gets also a hard counter.
they should increase the accuracy of fan while decreasing the damage, and also increasing the damage falloff
it's possible to miss a normal-sized character, but the tanks are the size of a barn, so all shots will connect every single fan
making less shots miss but the ones that hit deal less damage should lower the damage against tanks but keep it steady against normal characters, and nerfing the damage falloff should prevent it from being used to instakill people from range
>>339835963
I can agree with most of that, but a stun leading to an instant death, even on an offensive attacker, sounds sour.
I'd be fine with flashbangs slowing enemies and blocking the usage of their skills for a period of time. That at least gives them agency to react in some way while also giving McCree the opportunity to kill them.
Fan shouldn't destroy every hero.
>>339830934
>As a Widowmain, you think I'm gonna bitch and moan about Winston just cause he can leap 1000 feet straight at me and give me the gorilla dick like its his job? NO! I adjust my play style!
As a widowmain, your opinion is worthless because she's one of the most OP snipers in recent videogames.
>>339834856
Doesn't work if the mei is smart, her freeze beam outranges mccrady's flashbang
>>339831349
The game is "so shit" because it has more elements of gameplay to it than point at head and shoot with your twitch muscle memory honed over 10+ years of FPS.
Tardinos are buttmad because they're used to twitch snapping headshots like in the 50 other generic FPS games they've been playing and that's not enough to win in this game.
>>339831473
Non shitty players that know how to stay out of LoS.
>>339834856
No but OP did
>If you're too fucking casual to realize that everyone has a hard counter
>>339836117
Fuck that. Floating doesn't make him special. Steeltraps definitely don't care if he's floating.
>>339836041
Don't hover around after shift and stay close to walls so when you get targeted you can e the wall to change you trajectory. And you will be hit at least 70% less while in the air.
>>339836168
Well i'm sure they are testing like this, since blizz already stated that they aren't happy with his kill everything combo
>>339836234
There are actually counters against the flashbang, you need baiting and execution skill for them (not like a mcree wanting to combo you) but it's possible.
Also his mobility is shit, so if he gets into the position to do that it should be rewarded with a kill.
Still my point that Fan has to be nerfed to not be able to burst down tanks stands.
>>339834668
>McCree
>Roadhog
>Reaper
>Anyone with common sense
>>339836117
They just need to give him 30-40 more health
>>339836629
5 would be enough, so he would be at least a 2 body/1 headshot hero.
>>339831523
>not headshotting his massive head hitbox once and then spraying him down with the SMG
see you deserve to die in that case.
>>339836353
are you being retarded on purpose?
if she stays at the right distance it means she probably got the drop on you. which shouldn't happen because
1: YOU are the flanker, if the enemy gets you with your own game it means they're better
2: she's slow af, how can you not see her coming
>>339836326
Maybe it's because I play on console, but Widow doesn't seem that OP to me, and it's pretty tougher to line up shots just right. Still manage to average 20 kills a game with her
>>339836431
>Game has over a dozen characters which interesting movesets and playstyles
>Give 3 characters generic rapid fire hitscan guns that only require twitch reflexes to play.
This is why it's shit.
>>339837023
>Maybe it's because I play on console
Then your opinion is even more fucking worthless.
>>339835016
>not that you care.
Ya I really don't care for your backpedalling son.
The question wasn't if anyone thinks it's a game that should be played competitively, my underdeveloped friend.
>>339834687
>If you see a McCree coming at you
>Have someone else on your team help you out
Lol wat
I abuse the shit out of McCree and I don't want to see him nerfed but this is just retarded. You haven't met a good McCheap yet have you?
>>339832290
>links edited video of one autist with probably 15years exp in fps games as proof that class needs nerfing
This is why nobody takes you whiny bitches seriously. Your arguments boil down to
>b-but s-so-some people a-are really G-GOOD at teh vidya gaim!
The essence of stupidity.
>>339831270
No he didn't, it does 420 damage at the most and you have 500 health not counting armour.
>>339836353
>McCree backs away, and then starts running toward you and then flashbangs
>can't react fast enough because 20 tick
Alternatively, he just rolls towards you and flashbangs.
>>339830995
>it's possible to be bad at this game?
No, of course not, everybody has wallhacks and autoaim plus zero cooldowns on ults. :^)
>>339833141
I haven't met a good Tracer yet: the post.
>>339833859
She's a fucking tank she doesn't need anything that can pick off people
>>339833567
>>339833694
Pharah is way underpowered and so is her ult. Everyone can facetank her ult and then nuke her 200hp joke of a lifepool. The fucking lab chink has more HP than her.
She has no splash-dmg and pretty much the same mobility as a 4 foot Bumblebee with tiny wings. She flat out sucks and the only reason people like me still destroy shit with her is because we held a rocket launcher since 20 fucking years.
In a few months hitscan will have completely outshined projectiles and the 28% pickrate from Pharah and Junkrat will go down to a solid 10.
Short sighted fuckups.
>>339837210
Stupid is as stupid does. Enjoy your delusion
>>339830934
Oh please fuck off. I'm so tired of people using this as a defense of Blizzard's awful design choices and as deflection of criticism in general.
Even if the supposed counters functioned as they should (they don't), that doesn't make it not a shallow, shitty, boring, flawed design philosophy to begin with. Your game should have more strategic depth than rock paper scissors. In a genre like FPS, counters should never be so sharp that a person autowins an engagement before it happens because of a character/gun choice. Nothing is more frustrating in a game than dying due to circumstance rather than skill.
People like you who blindly defend every shitty action Blizzard takes are the reason they are so hesitant to change anything for the better, and their games go to shit as a result. You saw it with WoW, you saw it with SC2, and you also saw it with Diablo.
>>339838319
Surely understanding circumstances and what your character can and cannot achieve is "skill", right? This game isn't CS:GO.
>>339838185
Fuckup
>>339837690
Like Fire Strike? Or Zarya right click?
>>339838446
I tell you what isn't skill, a stun or simply losing control of your character for whatever reason. There is no skill in that, it's simply shit for casual fucks.
>>339833943
>If he misses anything he's useless
if his only weakness is "the person playing as him might fuck up," that's the definition of overpowered
>>339838770
I'll agree with you on that.
>>339831473
>all those body shots
Am I supposed to be impressed?
Widowmaker is the easiest sniper character I've even seen in a video game.
>>339838867
That's why characters with high mobility can counter him. So it depends more on player skill and character understanding.
>>339836104
this is less about characters being op and more that ultimates in general are a shitty design choice
>>339831270
Play Zarya, his hard counter. Fucking duh.
>>339838446
You don't actively pick and choose who you encounter in an FPS. If you turn a corner and your opponent is [rock] and you are [scissors], you lose 95% of the time no matter how well you shoot. Fun fun fun.
If you want to take a look at counters done well in this sort of game, look at TF2. In TF2 there exists counters, but a certain amount of mechanical skill is required to utilize the counters, and a vastly more skilled player can easily overcome a situation despite the counters. For example if a scout encounters a demoman, the scout will win most of the time, but with proper prediction and execution the demo can also win that fight. It's a signifacant advantage, but not an overwhelming one. Another example is pyro vs soldier. The pyro is a counter to the soldier, but requires a large amount of skill to make that counter work. In that way it wont feel bad for the soldier to die to a counter.
>>339831209
Or make her headshot box smaller
how the fuck do all of these asshole mcrees fan, roll, then fan again without reloading
>>339838319
Nigga, hard counter only means that you have the tools to defeat that character. Not that you always will.
A Mcree can beat a Zarya. A sniper can beat a Dva
What the fuck are you on about?
>>339840404
roll reloads for you
>>339840436
They're delusional shitters that watch people play more than playing themselves. They're just parroting the entitled kids who live in the echo chamber of the supposed comp scene of a very casual and accessible game.
>>339832575
>winston needs a nerf and another nerf
Yeah fuck off.
>>339840627
OR does not mean AND, anon
>>339839235
How do they counter him?
On the pub level, I've never seen someone with high mobility win against getting flashbanged
lucio needs to go back to 150 hp
zenyatta needs abit faster movement speed
headshot hitbox needs to be smaller
mccree's right click needs a CD like 76's helic rockets
widowmakers charged shot needs to take longer to get fully charged or needs 150 hp
tracer's blink needs to take longer to recharge or blink needs 1 sec CD
mercy's ult needs a longer cast time similiar to lucios ult
d'va needs a buff
reaper's teleport animation needs to be quicker
meis iceblock should be breakable
>>339841035
>lucio needs to go back to 150 hp
plz no
even if you change widowmakers charge time, no one should be able to be 1-shot from body shots.
>>339830934
fuck you monkey man
stop knocking me off the capture point
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