>start skyrim
>go to riverrun
>get a mission to go to the jarl
>try to kill him
>he's immortal
>uninstall
>play morrowind
>go to balmora
>assigned to kill some rats
>after 20 hits I finally hit one
>uninstall
>play oblivion
>comfy setting without 100% snow or jungle
>balanced gameplay
>perfect story
Why is the middle game always the best one /v/??
Oblivion is my favorite too, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking the story is perfect and the gameplay is balanced.
>>339830123
>middle game
>it's the fourth one
Some people don't like Oblivion because it was really generic after the craziness of Morrowind and they made Cyrodil into a generic fantasy setting when it used to be described as a jungle region. That and before good face mods came out it was impossible to not make a potato face plus the game only had like 7 different voice actors for hundreds of characters
>>339830123
We've already covered in detail in previous threads why Oblivion is objectively the worst of the three.
2016 and you're still going to whiterun first? git gud and start exploring.
Oblivion is literally the worst of the three. It has the most crippling problems.
Also, your description of Skyrim matches Oblivion perfectly.
>start Oblivion
>go to [any city]
>go to the King/Queen
>try to kill him/her
>he's/she's immortal
Morrowind had kiilable essential NPCs and could technically still be finished no matter what
perfect open world
>>339830123
>post this in the morrowind thread
>everyone thinks your full of shit
>get btfo
>blasted enough to start your own thread to be wrong again
Nice work, OP.
>>339830123
>middle game
Morrowind would be the middle game.
>>339831052
but skyrim's first game was morrowind!
>>339830123
>riverrun
stopped reading there, confirmed for not having played skyrim
>>339830123
>Oblivion is the best
Everything people hate about Skyrim was started in Oblivion.
You like Oblivion best because it was your first, and you were probably born between 1990 and 1994.
Morrow Kids please play with your dices while we talk about a the best game of the series
>>339831594
Even Skyrim was better than Oblivion.
>>339830123
>after level 15 every faggot has daedric and glass armor
>can literally find items better than daedric artifacts in random mines
>goblins can block a daedric claymore's attack with their hands, pounce as cougars, have the health of Xivilai and they are fast in numbers
>caves are worse than daggerfall's
>most generic shit ever
>worst voice actors ever
possibly the most overrated """""'RPG"""""' of all time?
>>339831727
What the fuck is this new meme of people doing """"""""""this""""""""""?
Seriously? What the fuck? It's fucking everywhere
>>339830534
tell me some more things that never happend.
>Morrowind
>Good
I love this meme
>>339831875
it's a meme from /int/
>"""""""""""""""""""""""""white""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" american
>>339830123
>play skyrim
>it's just a rehash of oblivion with SICK press x to kill animations and worse quests
>uninstall because i already played the better game 5 years ago.
>>339830921
it literally says "you can't finish the game unless you reload a save" if you kill certain people.
>>339830123
Newfag to this game, any tips levelling wise? Should I go for the efficient levelling route for my custom Paladin class, or should I just level at my own pace?
>>339832390
>Level at my own pace
HAHAHA the game was not designed for people like you. You either level the way Bethesda wants you to level, or you enjoy getting ass raped by rats on moderate difficulty.
>>339832390
Don't level up, Oblivion is one of the few games where leveling up makes it less fun because everyone becomes a damage sponge and it looks stupid when Bandits have high tier armor and weapons
>>339831594
What's funny is that Daggerfall had better combat and magic than Morrowind.
>>339832608
Not leveling up also blocks you from getting several tiers of armor and weapons, and even several quests.
>>339832691
The higher leveled armor doesn't look good anyway
>>339832830
Neither does the low level arm.
>>339831875
It's from /int/ you colossal fucking newfag, people have been doing it for a couple years now.
>>339833081
Well it's retarded, and it's gotten out of control lately. Everyone does it, and for no fucking reason.
The meme is not funny or clever, and almost no one acknowledges it, so it's not like it's bait or anything. It's just dumb.
>>339833081
>not following/not caring about memes is bad now
>2. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.
People consider oblivion worse cause they literally don't know how to play. Even vanilla. You want a rocket?
Spell: raise speed 70-100 points on touch for 30 seconds. Shield 100% 30 seconds on touch.
Cast these on your horse ( shield is so it won't die from becoming a fucking jet). Boom, you have a literal rocket ship.
Curagaja9: heal 100 points for 11 seconds in self, speed :250 athleticics:300 acrobatics:250-300. Bam, you can do " DBZ JUMPS: off mountains, healing full health for 11 seconds so when you land, your health goes up instantly. You won't die.
Archery: enchant daedric bow - 17 points frost, 15 bolt, 13 fire damage, 100% weakness to all and magic in general, paralyze or whatever for last point + arrows of immolation or frost arrows = best fucking elder scrolls archery.
People literally dont know how to work the game or its systems.
>>339835608
(Me) I basically had a DBZ char IN VANILLA. Jumped about 70 yards a jump, if vertical about 20 feet.
Ran about 150 mph. Vampirism but tons of stacked fire resistance spells so I won't die in the sun.
Oblivion was far and away the most fun. I had people BEGGING to try my DBZ like character. Then again, they had beat it 3 timed and knew NOTHING about " power training", something I learned instantly getting out the sewer.
Me: o....this calm spell cost like 1 magica......can I just keep casting it on this level 1 wolf over and over? Yes?!!..........20 mins later.... illusion is now 75!!! Can I do this with other shut? Yep.
Spells: raise speed 100 on touch, shield 100% on self. Gather 13 enemies in cave. Raise their speed 100 points. They attack so fast they kill each other. Shield them 100% so they don't die. Let em wail on you at breakneck speed= training your armor.
Skyrim is BORING AS FUCK with no mods.......dieing from a fuckin 12 foot drop.....Christ what a letdown after oblivion....
>>339830123
I only make mods for Oblivion. People like complaining about potato faces, but Morrowind's box faces are just as guilty of requiring bleach for your eyes.
>>339836681
>>339835608
Everything you're describing was 100 times better in Morrowind. I was deeply disappointed with how lacking Oblivion's spell making and enchanting system was. Even when you do shit like raise speed and raise jump, you still can't go very fast, or jump very far. I'm sure you think that you were going at breakneck speeds and jumping like the hulk, but seriously, go play Morrowind, where you can literally jump from one corner of the map to another, and run so fast that with default fog you can't even see what's in front of you anymore.
Oblivion's spell and enchanting system, while still more fun than Skyrim's, was a massive disappointment, and didn't actually let you do a whole lot. There were caps on everything.
>>339836681
>70 yards
>20 feet
>worth noting at all
The sad thing is, Oblivion fags think this shit is impressive.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
there's this gret mod for oblivion, called something alon the lines of "hentai's oblivion mod"
it has nothing to do with porn
it removes level scaling and introduces enemies levels in a manner consistant with the main quest while optional areas have higher leveled enemies
it includes unique loot, unique enemies that act as mini bosses
enemies get differen't color palletes based on their level too
it was great
Oblivion also has a terrible main story when you have to drop everything you're doing any shut like SIXTEEN (16) fucking Oblivion gates. Combat was "balanced" by making hits always hit, but made everyone a fucking sponge. Leveling and level scaling in general is fucking garbage, more so than Morrowind. If you fuck up your build or forget to go cave exploring for new equipment between level 5 and level 10 you're fucked.
>>339830482
But, one of those voice actors was Patrick Stewart. So, voice acting is a push.
>>339831727
Why are Morrowcucks this salty and hostile? Wouldn't it be healthier to face the truth?
>>339832390
maximize your stat gain each level up by raising as much of your minor skills as possible. sucks to have just +2 each time when you could potentially have +5
>>339832390
Get the Realistic Leveling mod and don't stress yourself out over minmaxing. It makes leveling immersive and efficient all the time.
>>339838282
Current ESO > morrowind > oblivion > skyrim
never tried morrowind before. is it really as good as people say it is? what's with the hitbox that people complain about?
>>339837463
Yall think I didn't do this shit in mirroring in literally 7th grade? When toonami made a review? Underages...... of course i know this shit. I raised my speed to 25000+ and ran out into the ocean so far, the game couldn't even keep my characters polygons together lmao.
The point is this, Skyrim fucking BLOWS, end of story. Never have I been more disappointed in a game. The " Streamlining" was extreme. Fuck Bethesda.
>>339840379
You are the worst type of person.
>>339840421
Combat is exactly the same as in other TES games, except you have accuracy checks on each hit which is determined by your weapon skill and fatigue. It's very clunky and outdated though, if your sword physically passes through an enemy it should still deal damage to them. Oblivion did it right by making it so lower fatigue just decreases your damage instead of making you "miss" a clear strike. I recommend you get a mod to get 100% combat accuracy and then enjoy the2nd-bestTES game.
>>339832390
Dont install any mods, dont listen to this negativity. The leveling is fine so long as you know what you're doing, I've made many characters myself and never had any problems, especially with a tanky build. Just be well equipped for both weapons/armor and for consumables/spells and you gonna do fine.
>>339839485
This. I'd say Oblivion has the worst vanilla out of all the TES games people care about.
>>339840639
>Dont install any mods
What the fuck
>>339830123
>Cherry picking this hard
There are immortal characters all over Oblivion. All the games had their failings.
>>339840379
Care to say why current ESO is there?
>>339832171
>press x to kill animations
That's not how they work. They just get triggered occasionally when you kill an enemy. No QTEs or anything like that. I actually thought they'd bother me at first, but now I use a mod to make them happen more often, because they make combat a little more interesting.
>>339840771
a few DLC's and content patches into its life.
>>339840706
If you absolutely cannot stomach the graphics, go ahead and mod them, im talking about the leveling, yes the leveling is fine, i swear i dont know how just this many people fuck up their characters, i never had problem on the ones i've made.
>>339830123
Nice bait thread. Here, you've earned a hot Oblivion snek.
>>339840879
>Guys, buy the base game, DLC, and expansions. I promise the 150 shekels will be worth it!
>>339832390
Don't listen to all the people who tell you to never level up. As long as you don't spend five levels increasing nothing but non-combat skills, you'll be fine. You'll still run into bandits in glass armor, though, so if you're on PC, you might want to get Francesco's mod to fix that.
>>339840973
why wouldnt you take into account the DLC? morrowind, oblivion, and skyrim have it and make their respective games better.
>>339830482
>plus the game only had like 7 different voice actors for hundreds of characters
While that is annoying, I gotta say that the voice-acting was still amazing.
Everything in Skyrim sounds so shit, as if all the actors were absolutely bored out of their minds
Skyrim, fallout 4, what's next Bethesda? 2 stats: strengt, magic.
3 spells : fire, ice, lightning.
Unlimited fetch quest. Featuring voices like Johnny Depp, will Smith for nigguards, ect. Every kill is a cinematic experience. No levels, you just find shit and play.
>>339830123
>he's immortal
Happens more often in Oblivion, bro.
>after 20 hits I finally hit one
Either a lie or you used a weapon with only 5 points on.
>comfy setting without 100% snow or jungle
Around 80% dull forest and 20% snow instead
>balanced gameplay
It has fucked up level scaling where thieves and bandits will wear fucking glass and deadric armor in higher levels. You won't see anything else but wolves and rats if you never level up. The game actually gets harder the more you level up so its better to just never do so.
>perfect story
It's the worst in the series. Completely butchered lore, generic bad guys with no interesting motivation, the hero of the story does fuck all, the concept of dragonfires and deadra has a giant fucking plot hole since Alessia isn't blood-related to Uriel Septim at all.
>>339831727
>worst voice actors ever
No, fuck you
They were few, but they did a grand job
>>339841109
This is your nostalgia talking. The VA work in Oblivion is shit except for the unique characters.
>>339841109
What are you talking about? The voice acting was cringy as fuck.
>>339841076
Was going more for the price. Not that it has DLC. Everything has DLC.
But TESO is dead population, needs a wallet load of DLC, and you better get the "patron" 15 buck subscription if you want to have everything.
It's not worth the money
>>339840421
>never tried morrowind before. is it really as good as people say it is?
No. It's overrated.
>what's with the hitbox that people complain about?
Having lower stamina/weapon skill can make your attacks outright miss instead of just doing less damage, even if you swung right at them and it looks like you should have hit them.
>>339841229
>The VA work in Oblivion is shit except for the unique characters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B8XtKxpAnQ
>>339841195
>>339841229
>>339841432
But Patrick Stewart.
>>339841229
Oh fuck off, >muh nostalgia is your go-to counterargument the moment someone calls anything good
>>339840910
Leveling is a mess, and how enemies around also level is just pants on head retarded. Oblivion is by far the worst offender in that regard.
>inb4 bandits with daedric armor is totally lore friendly given the gates all over
>>339841617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyNG7HB0XUA&feature=youtu.be&t=277
morrowind is my favorite rpg of all time and I sometimes get pangs of depression when I realize I'll never play it for the first time again. that said, oblivion is really good if you can get past its two major flaws, the level scaling (bandits wearing full daedric/glass is great for immersion :) ) and the dumbed down magic/enchant system, but I assume there are mods for that.
>>339841637
This. Vanilla Oblivion has the best quests in a TES game but that still doesn't make it playable, every TES game is pretty bad without mods.
>>339841617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijg3sIXshaU
>we will never have the journal again
>>339841805
>oblivion is really good if you can get past its two major flaws, the level scaling (bandits wearing full daedric/glass is great for immersion :) ) and the dumbed down magic/enchant system, but I assume there are mods for that.
There are indeed mods for those things. I even found a mod that actually adds an Enchanting skill.
>>339841770
>>339841974
Other than the dialogue being cringy I fail to see anything wrong with this
Miles better than anything in Skyrim, where everyone sounds like they'd rather kill themselves on the spot than voice one more line
Everyone hated Oblivion before Skyrim came out. I saw maybe 3-4 threads on release that enjoyed the game, and maybe 1 a month after that. Everyone said it betrayed everything that made Morrowind one of the best games ever.
Then Skyrim came out, everyone hated that, and suddenly Oblivion was the best fucking thing ever.
Every new release in any game series this happens. You can screenshot this post and bring it out in the future; when Fallout 5 is release, no one will have a bad word to say about Fallout 4 any more, it'll be a fantastic addition to the series and Fallout 5 will be the worst thing since cancer.
https://youtu.be/qN80_7rNmcE?list=FLNMZOUEXR1st5RDwCiWCo-A
this fuckin video
>>339842172
Even Morrowind had people saying it was dumbed down from Daggerfall.
>>339841617
Nah, you actually said Oblivion has "amazing" VA work. If that's not nostalgia I don't know what is.
>>339831594
>a the best
What did he mean by this?
>>339842172
>it's a "/v/ is one person" episode
Maybe the people who did enjoy it were just overwhelmed by shitposting every time they said anything.
In fact, that still happens even today. The only time someone who likes Oblivion doesn't get shat upon is in a comfy thread
>>339842172
For what it's worth, people still shit on Skyrim after FO4.
>>339841637
Ok, maybe the armor thing is a bit off, but the leveled enemies are not complete shit, if anything its a way to keep you interested without it being too easy. i mean come on, everyone struggles with Trolls in early levels and Grummites in SI are always a challenge to fight. I mean Todd wasnt lying when he said "in this game the world evolves around the player and their actions" which is actually not half bad, for example when you beat the main quest, everyone in the imperial city loves you, as they should, not like the bullshit that happens to Skyrim where nobody gives a crap when you killing fucking dragons. (i dont know what happens on Morrowind) The thing is, no TES game is perfect, but no TES game is shit either, what i can say for all the games is that Skyrim did many things wrong rather than many good things. And as for Oblivion, i think its a great game and people shouldnt be so jaded because of a few minor cons.
>tfw robbing the entire imperial city market district before level 5
>tfw using the speech checks to bully merchants I hate
>>339842701
>the world revolves around you and your actions
The best part about Morrowind, and how it nails making an interesting, believable world is that it _doesn't_ revolve around you. It's a core design flaw in Oblivion and Skyrim to think that the world should scale to you, and that everything should be contingent on your action or success.
what is the best oblivion line delivery and why is itHEEEELP! MUUUUUUUURDER!
>>339842172
But people hate Fallout 3 here. They only like New Vegas.
>>339842172
>>339842372
The TES cycle is eternal.
Arena was my first TES and I didn't really like it. Oblivion is my favourite.
bait: the thread
>>339843065
>mfw morrowindfags shit on mods for oblivion and skyrim but need them for their game as well
>>339833392
Are you implying any memes are clever? are you autistic?
>>339830123
>>339830123
>Why is the middle game always the best one /v/??
arena
daggerfall
morrowind (the middle game)
oblivion
skyrim
i agree
>>339832270
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gON5k2kw3as
>>339830123
Oblivion is the shittiest though.
>>339842907
Its quite the opposite for me, i believe that if the world actually shapes around your actions, it makes it feel alive and immersive. Lets not forget that no sequel can be an exact replica of the previous game, that would make it dull and unoriginal. But as to the topic at hand, for Oblivion, it is actually good when you fighter bigger and stronger enemies as you grow and the fact that people evolve around it too so it can seem fitting is pretty good aswell.
>>339830892
This.
>>339843456
>sequence breaking via triggers somehow proves your point
Nah fuck off. You can do the same shit in Oblivion speedruns by starting the latter half of the main quest by breaking into a dungeon you aren't supposed to be in yet, that doesn't prove a fucking thing.
>>339830892
Mention these 'crippling problems' and I'll tell you which mods can fix them.
You won't though, you're just a shitposter and no amount of logic and reason will cure your shit taste.
>>339839849
>all of Oblivions flaws can be fixed by mods
You mean the one that adds the uninstall wizard to the mages guild?
>>339830482
>Imperial city surrounded by a jungle
>>339830123
Literally the only thing Oblivion has going for it is quests. Everything else is shit and done better in Daggerfall, Morrowind or Skyrim.
>>339830482
All fixed by mods famalam
>>339843456
>so this is the power of CHIM ...
>>339840256
>>339841025
>tfw I'm playing this on my PS3
Sucks to be me, I guess...
>>339835608
>>339836681
how much is wrong in your brain
>>339843672
Oblivion's world is generic, boring and uninspired,
the story is horseshit and oblivion gates are awful.
>boot up Skyrim with +200 mods
>5 hours in and bored as fuck already
>boot up Oblivion with +50 mods
>20 hours in and still going
Hmm I wonder why?
>>339842639
People shat on Oblivion when fallout 3 was out as well. They don't really count.
>>339844074
I'm so sorry. nobody should have to endure the console versions of bethesda games.
>>339844091
Nice shit opinion, nobody cares.
Name one thing that made you shat your pants in oblivion.
I like all 3 for different reasons.
Can't we all stop fighting?
>>339844219
This is the correct choice, but it's /v/ where shitposting creates bumps which creates discussion. If we all agreed there would be nothing to talk about.The solution is to stop coming here.
>>339844218
The Immersive Bowel Movement mod I got from LoversLab.
>>339844218
Starting shivering isles for the first time
>>339844219
I like all of them starting from Daggerfall desu. I should play Arena one day to form a proper opinion about that one too.
>>339833081
No it hasn't been, 6 months tops
Retard
>>339832000
Jews did NOT do 9/11.
>>339830123
I liked Oblivion most because I was 14 when it came out, and you will never have as much fun in your life as you had when you were 14 years old.
>>339841229
i found that a lot of it for the most part was good. The voices just don't blend with potato models and stiff bad animation.
though i could agree that the VA for the redguard was the absolute worst.
Morrowind = ESO >>>>> Skyrim > shit > Obl*vion
>Playing Bethshit games when Witcher 3 exists
Seriously why do people do this? Playing the objectively inferior garbage when the superior game exists? It is like eating shit when you are offered to choose between bacon and literal shit.
>I make le oblivion thread every day :^) xD!!
Literally why.
>>339847109
For one thing, Bethesda games actually let you create a character and play a class besides "swordsman".
>>339842145
Nothing wrong. The voice acting is actually very well delivered. Only voice I didn't like was fem redguard and whoever the hell played vicente valtieri. They sounded like they weren't even trying
>>339847309
Why does it matter anyway? The gameplay/combat is always shit in Bethesda games?
posting this here because /tesg/ is a joke
lads i have never properly tried to 100% skyrim but I fancy sitting down and giving it a go now. going to do it all on legendary difficulty from the start
does anyone have any tips or tricks for surviving the shitty early game? im fully patched with USLEEP so I dont think the fortify loop thing works
>>339847409
It's still more interactive and interesting than Witcher combat.
>>339847109
>it's impossible to play and enjoy games from two different series
kys my man
>>339847109
DUDE I KNOW RIGHT? THE WITCHER 3 FOR LIFE, BROFIST XD DAE LE FREE BEARD DEE ELL SEE? CDPR = GODS AMIRITE??? UPVOTE ME FOR MORE VISIBILITY!
>>339847126
Because it's a nice change of pace from the regular same five games that /v/ talks about.
>>339847901
>Because it's a nice change of pace from the regular same five games that /v/ talks about.
Oblivion is probably one of the most talked about games, like top 30.
>>339830123
Get out, fetcher.
>>339847109
Witcher 3 combat mechanics are meh and it has too many sick spins bro. I'd rather have modded Oblivion.
Witcher 3 animations are amazing though.
>>339847372
What I didn't like about Oblivion's voice acting was that everyone sounded old. No one sounds like they're younger than 40.
>>339847503
legendary just makes everything a damage sponge
>>339830534
>I've already been blown the fuck out comprehensively hundreds of times over the last ten years so you're right OP, Oblivion is best
FTFY
>>339847503
You can't 100% Skyrim you mong when there are radiant quests. That's like saying you're going to read books that haven't even been written yet.
>>339844789
Kek I think I made that one. Is it something you can't download anymore? And had diarrhea and constipation? I made that mod.
>>339849490
100% is when you clear all the dungeons and complete every non-radiant quest senpai.
>>339847109
>all the hype towards Witcher 3
>decide to play the original witcher
>drag myself through that 40 hour game with people telling me it improves immensely with witcher 2
>finish witcher 1 and overall feel that I quite enjoyed it despite its huge flaws
>start 2
>get about 6 hours into it with that terrible fucking combat
>drop it for good and never touched nor will touch the series again
I was consistently told W2 would make playing W1 all worth it, I don't imagine 3 is much better
>>339847309
And for another, some people just don't like Geralt.
>>339850249
I couldn't even get through Witcher 1. For whatever reason, it just didn't hold my interest. I only got as far as the start of Chapter 3.
>>339850513
It had its highs and lows but I would overall say it's pretty good. Then again I did have W2 as a carrot on a stick for me to enjoy when I finished the game, carrot was rotten though
>>339847687
Especially with mods, which is another thing you can't get from the Witcher games, at least not of the same scope.
>>339841191
>the game gets harder as you level
Maybe if you dont go magic build u scrub, even just enchanting armor with elemental shields makes you nigh invincible even with shit armor.
Iron armor with like 5 armor rating doubles in defence when you have a 5%fire shield enchantment, have that on all your armor and you effectively have daedric armor with shit durability at level 5
>>339831156
Everything that isn't good about Oblivion is much worse in Morrowind and what is good about it was diluted or absent in Skyrim.
If you don't think Oblivion is better than Morrowind then it's only because Morrowind was your first, it's an ugly clunky game and you were almost certainly born on the spectrum
>>339851627
>2. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.
>>339841805
What do you think happens to all the daedric armour you bring from oblivion and sell at the shops? They're not just going to bin it, and I personally left hundreds of thousands of septims worth of high level loot just lying on the road.
>>339841109
I give them an excuse simply because it was the first time they had every character voiced was in oblivion.
>>339850664
I could have dealt with the gameplay if the story or the world interested me, but they didn't, so I had no reason at all to keep going.
