>There are people on /v/ who think McCree is most in need of a nerf when Widowmaker and Hanzo hitboxes are as big as they are
This ez-modo sniping nonsense needs to be addressed.
>>339823012
that's just the shit tick-rate you mong
>>339823061
hanzo main detected
McCree DOES need a nerf.
So does Widow though. Has nothing to do with hitboxes but with her firerate letting her wipe entire teams in a couple seconds.
>>339823312
>playing with retards
>>339823012
That motherfucker is just too good.
>shot hits their outline or slightly more in
>nothing registers
MEANWHILE ON THE OTHER TEAM
>just spamming shots, getting hits and one shots left and right when most of them don't even hit your character
What the absolute fuck.
>>339823471
Ever watch comp play, senpai?
>>339823832
no i prefer to play my games instead of watch them
>>339823471
>probably thinks Mei is overpowered.
Hanzo needs to do no danage unless its pulled back fully. Hes a fucking huntsman sniper. Widow just needs recoil or to unscope after every shot fired.
>D.Va gets a buff
>>339823012
Mcree just needs a cooldown on his fan, then he's perfect.
Widow's hitscan funtime is fucking stupid though as it can kill some characters in one hit even with body shots, and will put most others at low heath. She needs some kind of bolt action or something to slow down her firerate akin to Hanzo's drawing.
>Mcree can instantly and with no counter play kill every hero
>this is completely fair in the eyes of Mcree players
>>339823471
>playing zen
>Widow hits my pinkie toe with her hitscan semi-auto rifle
>Die instantly
so much fun
>>339824074
>Mcree just needs a cooldown on his fan, then he's perfect.
cooldowns are terrible design and we don't need more of them in this game
>>339824065
>console_aiming.webm
>>339823061
>>339823245
He's right, you moron. Learn what a hitbox is and then learn how tickrate works.
>>339823832
What the actual fuck. I wrote "senpai" not "senpai". I guess my TBI is worse than I thought.
Why do people bitch about Hanzo? I really want to git gud at him but I'm finding it impossible. It doesn't feel like I ever have an opportunity to really shine, and the only kills I get are total dumb luck. If anyone gets close I can't hit them for shit. Anyone running serpentine? Forget about it.
Shit takes practice but I feel like it's a futile gesture and a waste of a teamslot to be trying to play Hanzo. 11 hours on Mercy, 4 or 5 on Lucio now I think. Sometimes i want to kill stuff but it's.... meh
>>339823061
Is tick-rate the new meme word? I've never heard it mentioned anywhere before Overwatch.
>professional tournament
>final match
>5 mccrees chosen
the game has shit balance, shit meta. its why i fucking was absolutely infuriated when i was playing the beta, and why ill never buy it. i know this game has no legs at all after 5 minutes into the beta. it was shit. im glad i didnt pay it or pay to get into beta, someone gave me their key.
every flaw i knew existed, is now being noticed by all the plebs, like fucking weeks later.
and shit like "oh we're going to FIX MCCREE"
literally, the thing you are trying to fix is the entire fucking core design of the character. you should have thought that shit through
also 24/7 push maps, because objectives are 2hard2learn, reason why i dropped TF2, because they nerfed level design for the most simplest plebs to comprehend
and the worst offender is the consolitis EZ mode win button, all classes get, taken from the books of destiny. destiny's mutliplayer was shit for it, and this game's multiplayer is shit for it. your entire game revolves around a gimmick, and every "play of the game" is just fucking some idiot pressing their ez mode button. so much so, that actual gunplay matters very little in the game as a whole. you could pretty much boil down the gameplay to rushing with your ultimates saved, then spamming them last minute, and winning
dont get me started on the fucking microtransactions and built in cash shop in their 60 dollar multiplayer only game, with literally only like 12 maps or some shit. what cancer. but its blizzard, and
>its okay when blizzard does it
because fuck having standards these days. good job supporting activision for another 5 years, im sure we wont get more cancerous cash shop ridden multiplayer games because of this game's success.
PLAY OF THE GAME
>>339824664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pByJbGOPevo
>>339824605
if you've played any version of counterstrike, or any source shooter before, you'd probably have seen it in server names.
Whats up with this new Widowmaker is OP meme? Shes a sniper. Her only job is to kill shitm she's almost completely defenseless in close quarters. Nerfing her sniper would make her almost completely useless in every situation.
But i suppose thats what all you retards want. "Nerf every character except my favorite!"
Only thing they need to change with Widow is that the game needs to make it obvious when an enemy Widow has ult going, like when McCree uses his.
>>339824806
>Almost completely defenseless in close quarters
>Sniper rifle turns into a s76 rifle with a bigger clip and barely less damage
>>339824764
I laughed a lot more than I expected.
>>339823942
Mei isnt fun to play against in any way. While not overpowered, its very poorly designed. Bastion is similar.
>>339823012
mcree nerf is coming. any idiot can do the math and see why he is broken.
70 damage per shot
fan the hammer 70x6= 420 damage in 1 second
oh and add a roll/free reload 420x2=840 damage in 2-3 seconds. and thats without and headshots.
>>339824976
sounds like you suck anon. git gud
>>339824865
I can tell youve never played Widow and you're just salty as fuck because Widow players keep shitting on you. The AR sucks. Its basically only good for finishing players who are almost dead. If widow kills you with her AR 1v1 in close quarters when you're playing a close ranged hero, uninstall.
>>339824536
Spam arrows enough to get his ult.
Rinse and repeat. Never see him do anything else.
>>339824438
Literally new to 4chan huh?
>>339824806
I think the issue with her is that she makes entire team revolve around her and completely changes how the game is played.
You need to devote players specifically to counter a good one which forces potentially unfun situations upon players.
>>339824806
people figured out that if you spam sniper shots for solid DPS. after using a full charge.
They will probably increase her snipers kick to counter this or reduce spam shots.
>>339824865
>>339824806
Don't forget,
>venom mine announces when someone is hit by it
>does 75 damage
>also announces if someone destroys it
>can relocate with your grappling hook instantly when someone had to use a movement ability to get to you
Even if you can't fight, it's way too easy to run/flail around as Widow.
You're not being countered, you're just making it a 5v5 while you have your autistic chase
Only people who play him almost every match would deny he is in need of a nerf. Or the "git gud" faggots who think it's okay that one character is allowed to instakill any character with two button presses and can snipe from a distance
>>339825147
>State facts that dispute what you say
>You're just salty hurrr and terrible, git gud
Sure, bud.
Remove Infra-sight being shared with the team. Period. It makes no sense logically and is overpowered. A wallhack for a sniper is bad enough, but sharing wallhacks with the entire team? Fuck off.
I really hope McCree doesn't get nerfed so bad he becomes obsolete. I like playing as Clint Eastwood
>>339825286
she just has no hard counter.
Its pretty obvious by the balancing of the game than an invisible spy like hero will be added.
>>339825286
He's just being raging faglord, I can imagine his playtime is 97% widow.
>>339824806
>very high fire rate and no recoil so you're never punished for missing headshots, just try again
>if close range she can still kill reliably with poison mine and assault rifle (usually kill herself in the process but she still isn't directly countered)
Someone who is able to kill from safe high positions a mile away should be harder to use
>>339824438
literally go back to plebbit
>>339825267
As a Widow player I really dont care how people feel about her. I'm not playing the game so other people can have fun. A good Genji, Tracer, Reaper, or Winston can ruin the game for me if they know what they're doing. Do I try for them to be nerfed? Nope.
I could see this being a valif argument if it was like LoL where once you pick a character you're locked in for the whole game.
>>339824169
Why are you lying bro? He can't kill Russian bear women.
>>339825418
His design is so lazy though, I want to be a gunslinging cowboy not some stunbomb-throwing instagibber. I hope they just redesign his abilities.
>>339823012
>tfw McCree gets nerfed
>Double tracer every game
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
>>339825418
get your fun in while you can. this is blizzard we're talking about, so mccree is just gonna get run into the ground with nerfs. he might be viable again in 2 years or so after everyone else has had their turn getting nerfed
>>339825672
>tip that shows up when you play McCree says to line up an easy headshot when someone is stunned
>literally nobody does this because fan the hammer is straight up better
Thanks Blizzard
McRee is going to get nerfed, and I am going to drink them bitch boy tears when you shitters have to start playing as Reaper or Bastion to fill the void.
>>339825441
Winston hard counters her, but he's the only one. McCree, Tracer, Reaper and Genji counter her too EXCEPT for when the enemy teams have done everything to make sure she isn't flanked, like placing a turret next to her or/and having a Mercy by her side at all times
>>339825114
>cant dodge sniper shots
>telling anybody else to get good
kek
>>339824065
is the enemy team literally retarded ?
>>339825962
Oh and her ult. It's pretty shitty design to have a character whose weakness is flanking characters but her ult prevents this.
>>339825401
What facts did u state that disputed what i said? The only thing i gathered is that you suck and thats why you hate Widow. I never have any problems killing her close range and I dont think she needs nerfed.
Obviously she fucking destroys me at long range if im not playing sniper. Weird how that works.
>>339825883
well since Tracer is my secondary and she will absolutely wreck anybody as soon as McCree is obsolete I look forward to that day. you will get a panic attack every time you hear me blink and when I defeat you you will get that feeling of deja vu.
>>339826250
That her secondary gun fire is nearly equivalent in stats to the primary of a another offensive hero. That's not a skill issue and you spouting git gud does not change that fact.
>>339825418
When has blizzard not fucked up balancing in the past decade on any of their games?
>>339825704
Even if his damage is nerfed by 50% his fan the hammer combo still does more than enough to kill any class with less than 250 hp.
>What the absolute fuck.
Hi, reddit.
>>339825704
>Becamse a Macree main because i can't fucking stand Tracer
The worst part is that tracer mains are the most deluded fucks in the entier game
Like zooming around the map with the speed of light and instagibbing your team with le balanced Q+E combo before they could even notice she was there is skill
>muh 150HP
>>339826506
Tfw Tracer already scares me
Tfw everytime I hear a blink somewhere I'm sketching out
t. Mercy
>>339826985
>Get a quad kill
>Potg is a tracer killing 2 of my team with a Q
>Potg is such crap right now
>YOU SOUND SALTY, YEAH YOU BAD
>WHATS WRONG MR SALTY? NOT TALKING ANY MORE?
I'm convinced they're played by the most autistic assholes in the community.
>>339826985
but anon she is the most skill dependant character in the game :^)
>>339825286
So youre upset that the sniper is hard to kill because she has barely any defenses when facing a close ranged character 1v1. Youd prefer if she was just an auto kill when you got within killing distance. I get it now. You just want her nerfed because shes hard for your favorite character to kill her.
I suggest playing Reaper. He can shit on Widow before she even knows where youre shooting from.
>>339823012
Widows bodyshots need to he halved from 150 to 75, and most shitters wont play her ever again making most games better
Mcrees Fan needs to go from 420 to 250, and the spread needs to be made huge after just a couple of feet
>>339827184
I agree with that statement unironically
Changes you want to see happen?
Here are mine:
Nerf the bullshit instant kill hook-shotgun combo Roadhog has on most squishies. He's tank, has a self heal can put out good damage at medium range and real good damage at close range. That's all fine I wouldn't change it. But his 1 shot combo is cancer and has to go. I find myself switching to him as the go to bullshit hero if I can't rely on my team for that exact reason. 1 shot combo. It's easy as fuck to pull off, it's annoying being caught by it and I feel bad for other people when I do it to them.
Buff D.va, it's already happening but she needs some sort of buff. Only a slight one. I've had some pretty good games as her, it's just as a tank she doesn't fulfil that role very well, and that is what she's supposed to be yet you have to play her more like a tanky assassin in order to be any good with her. Lots of routes you could go down. Maybe make her able to shoot her guns while boosting, and/or able to use her shield while boosting too (if she can't already do that? can't remember).
Nerf Mccree, again looks like this is already happening but I'm gonna include it anyway. His flash bang fan the hammer combo is just cancer. Seems like they're gonna nerf fan the hammer which is what I'd do, he shouldn't be doing that kind of damage to the more tanky characters. And that flashbang pretty much secures the kill and it's easy as fuck to hit with.
Widowmaker: Nerf her machine gun, it should do piss weak damage. I'm only ever frustrated when I get into range of her, I'm smacking the shit out of her and she can switch to that and keep up with me in damage. Her weakness should be close quarters combat that's partly the reason she has the grapple chain as an escape mechanic and the toxic mine to warn her of people near her. and yet it isn't her weakness really.
Soldier 76: Just give him a tiny bit more health. Up from 200 to like 225 or something. He feels too squishy.
>Hanzo aims for my teammate
>Misses
>The arrow ends up hitting me in the head
>>339823012
Widowmaker is the worst one. It's just not fun with her around
>stupid reload glitch
>fast as shit shooting
>trap nearly kills you
>wallhack
>>339827281
Play Roadhog without his hook, enjoy being completely useless, it's needed
Also 76 is in the second tier of usefulness, doesn't need a buff
>>339827281
Roadhog is fine
>Getting killed sucks. Make it so that we don't die as easy
Literally the only characters who need changes are Mei and McREEEE. The former because she's underpowered and has a tendency to be annoying for her own team, the latter because stun and fan is retarded.
>>339827274
>Not Genji
>just as much HP as Tracer
>actually have to aim
>E has long CD
>His ult is outdamaged by Riedhearts basic AA
Not even a Genji main
But you get farm more impressed when someone recks shit as him because he can't just faceroll his way through a team
>>339827268
This is the only widow nerf I agree with. Killing her recharge time would make her pointless, which is what everyone wants. I think this is a good idea. She can still poke from a distance but cant 2 shot people. Tanks are easy enough to headshot to make her still useful.
I think widowmaker needs to be needed more than Brownback mountain. Dva also desperately needs a buff to her damage. She's almost useless as she is right now for anything but sitting on a payload.
>>339827604
Genjis ult makes me respect him less than a good tracer player. Tracer may be easy to play, but a good Tracer player is insane.
memes?
>>339827281
>Soldier 76: Just give him a tiny bit more health. Up from 200 to like 225 or something. He feels too squishy.
Wut 76 is fine as is. Learn to use cover and heals. He's dps not a tank.
>>339827604
Genji has more hp than tracer.
>>339827604
Ok, yeah you got me there, Genji takes alot more than Tracer to be good. Tracer is still up there for difficulty though imo
>just finished night shift and forgot Genji was even a thing
>>339827765
Tracer Ult is way better than Genji Ult though.
>>339827768
>a silverback had to die because some retarded kid could just watch as every other non autistic human
>>339828042
I disagree. Tracers ult cant even 1 shot tanks from full HP. A well played bomb might be able to take out a few enemies, but its not going to be very often that it happens. Genji can ult and wipe an entire team off a point.
>>339828042
Tracer's ult has a tiny range, so unless they're dumb enough to all hang around the same 5 foot radius, genji will do more with his ult.
>>339824806
>t. Widowmaker main
At range she's broken as fuck, if she's in a good chokepoint it means that she can kill anyone short of a shielded Zarya by body shorting and then spamming her zero recoil uncharged shots to finish someone off.
Up close her assault rifle is just shy of 76's and she doesn't even have to switch for it. Meaning with a Grapple hook and mine, she's not dying anytime soon in the hands of a competent player.
Not to mention her Ult is one of the fastest charging in the game, behind Mercy, and directly benefits the your team for the entire duration, even if she dies.
I seriously hope they nerf her in the McCree patch.
>>339824661
Take it easy there, kiddo.
Fixing McCree doesn't take a whole redesign. The match types leave something to be desired, but it's a team game so payload and koth makes sense.
Ulti's are generally easy to avoid and you get them too, not just the enemy team.
The only thing in the cash shop is cosmetics and the game only costs $40 if you don't care about them.
Anything else? I'm not saying the game is perfect, but your inner 12 year old is showing.
I hope McCree doesnt get nerfed
I can handle fighting McCree's, Tracers and Reapers on the other hand always push my shit in
>>339827470
What the fuck is this shit?
>Play Mcree becauses hes a cyborg cowboy
>Turns out to be op
>Nerf will make him useless
>Meanwhile mei, roadhog, and widowmaker go untouched
Fuck this gay eart
>>339825418
He either needs his ult nerfed or his flashbang nerfed.
He definitely needs his accuracy at mid-long range nerfed.
>>339827526
Getting killed is fine, but 1 shots are cancer. It's not fun at all. I'm not saying he should do no damage at all with it, I'm just saying he shouldn't be able to instant kill you like that. Of course on squishies it would get their health down to like 1-2 bars and he'd just need to shoot them once more to finish them off but at least it would give them a slight chance to fight back a bit. Most games I play with roadhog I win, most games I play against roadhog I lose. I'm certain that's not coincidence.
>>339827775
Yep this is basically a LTP issue, hense why I put him last.
>>339827430
I didn't say take his hook away retard, I said take his ability to 1 shot away. Refer to the above text. Again, I wouldn't even call that a buff, it's just slightly more health, it will make a very small difference, but if he didn't get it I wouldn't mind, it's pretty low on the list really. He's basically fine how he is I just included it for preference.
>unironically thinking hanzo is anything but shit tier
into the trash it goes
>>339827470
It's weird that this hitbox shit never applies to me.
I have to aim ON them or I miss.
>>339828727
Get worse internet :^)
>>339828671
I know what you meant, the simple fact is you're hardly going to kill anything without his 1 hit hook combo
His left click is trash unless they're right on top of you and his right click on works at a certain range when it explodes in their face
>>339828671
Remove the stun from hook, everything else is fine
>>339823012
>Hanzo is literally bring a bow to a gun fight
>he still has to lead his shots and has a significantly lower fire rate than anything else
>people are mad that his hitboxes are a little larger than bullets
>>339828327
The best counter to a widow is another, better widow. Get on her and shut down the enemy widow. Whats the problem?
>>339825418
Implyng 76 and McCree aren't both Clint Eastwood
>>339829416
Too bad McCrees hair and beard look like shit
>>339829401
I troll trash Widows with my pistol on Mercy
>mfw strafing back and forth lining up headshot after headshot and they get buttfrustrated and relocate
>>339829368
>has to lead shots
>in a game where everyone is slow as fuck
So skilled
>>339829510
The difference between you and most people is you must not fucking suck.
>>339829510
been doing that with scorch shots as a tf2 pyro for ages
They already said a nerf to McCree is coming. Fan is going to do less damage to tanks, shields and barriers.
>>339829131
Remove all complete stuns from the game.
Also when mei starts freezing you it needs to pop up a message like when you get hooked or stuck with a bomb.
>>339825962
nah dawg, a good widowmaker will kill a winston 100% of the time. You can snipe him 2x in mid air during a jump and then clean his shit up with the AR + venom mine
>>339826231
They bought the game on console, so yeah, obviously.
>>339829762
Be sure to post all those clips / webms you totally have of your gameplay where you consistently land shots with Hanzo or Widow.
I'll wait :^)
>>339829835
They already nerfed him from the beta to release. Give him time to rest Blizzard
>>339824438
Hoooo boy, somebody is new to 4chan!
>>339829797
Any widow worth their salt can put a stop to the shenanigans
The weak should fear the trolls
>>339829953
Sorry you've never played a shooter faster than CoD.
>>339829956
They said he's supposed to be a counter to quick characters like Tracer and Genji, not a straight up tank killer.
>>339828596
>he thinks roadhog and mei are OP
u fookin wot m7?
>>339823012
>when Widowmaker and Hanzo hitboxes are as big as they are
>there are people on /v/ who think their opinion on an FPS matters when they don't even know what a hitbox is
>>339825883
>fill the void
i am the void, kid...
>>339824438
>Overcucks are still convinced they aren't reddit
>>339830087
So that's a no on the clips?
Okay.
There sure are a lot of people who say this game takes no skill, but for some reason they don't roll over every game even though it's so easy right guys?
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Can Zenyatta have a bit more health, please?
Just 25 would do.
Glass cannon or not, he is at an immediate and gigantic disadvantage if the enemy team has a Widowmaker because she can one shot him with a simple charged shot, regardless of where it hits, while he has zero mobility options and is slow as hell.
While I can understand that amount of health for Tracer who is fast enough to get away from or avoid danger, or mech-less D.va, who is meant to be purposefully weak compared to everyone else, it really hurts Zenyatta.
>sneak around enemy team
>get up against the Hanzo and shoot him in the back
>he turns around and hits me in the face with an arrow
>one hit kills me
Out fucking skilled
>>339824243
No character should be able to unload 420 damage in half a second, with no cooldown or actual downside, couple with a literal aoe stun just in case you're awful at aiming.
To say nothing about roll reloading for another 420, which instantly kills every hero in the game.
Most heroes have some measure of counterplay against others. 95% of the cast has no chance of counterplay if they enter a room with McRee there. Can't run, can't fight back.
Stuns of this nature are terrible design and we don't need McRee's broken kit promoting it.
>>339830343
>hanzo doesn't even aim at you and just does a scatter arrow
What do you guys think about McCrees who have the drop on people from behind but still stun their victims?
>>339824065
>Mech isn't instantly destroyed the moment she calls it out in the open.
Just proves the enemy team are a bunch of retards.
>>339824605
That's because you don't play video games.
got lucky or something
>>339823012
>playing overwatch
>complaining about ez-mode anything
Is this bait? Is this where we remind you that you bought an extremely casualized game and you start le epic pretending to be retarded "ocverwatch is competetive" shtick?
>>339824661
>reason why I dropped TF2
Didn't need to read beyond that.
Good job writing all of that when your opinion on the game means literally nothing to the people actually invested in it.
>>339830343
>playing mei
>see a hanzo draw his bow at a pretty far distance
>spawn wall right in front of him
>see arrows ricocheting in the distance
>>339830312
I dont think anyone disagrees with you. Id be surprised if this didnt happen whenever they patch.
>>339830556
In the closed beta she had the highest winrate of anyone.
This game really needs a fucking demo system. I want to watch my replays to improve.
Ctrl + f. No Mei discussion? What the fuck? No one talking how broken this hero is? Seriously?
Impossible to fight at close range because of her bullshit instant freeze, 250 health which makes her a bit tanky than normal heroes, invulnerability and healing, Widowmaker's sniper like Ice-spikes for long range, AoE freezing ultimate, Wall that blocks off projectiles, ultimates and objectives.
Inb4 people say just kill her from mid-long range, I fucking can't. Her 250 health, her E that makes her invulnerable and heals her, her wall that blocks off everything, all this makes her very hard to kill at long range. She is the epitome of an annoying and broken hero.
Why no one complains about her? Will she remain hidden overpowered till McCree, Widow, Genji, etc gets nerfed?
>people keep saying McCree doesn't need nerfs
You realize at comp games he has around a 150% play rate right? That there have been times where teams were running THREE McCrees?
>>339830825
>instant freeze
It takes four seconds. It's absolutely not "instant".
>>339830825
There's a reason she's never picked in competitive play. Stop being bad.
>>339830925
>>339830982
There's also been a huge rise in Zarya and Reaper now that there are events where they play more than just fucking payload.
>>339831063
Zarya is the queen of KOTH, makes sense
>>339830960
There isn't much competitive play right now. People are still figuring out good team compositions. As I said she is hidden overpowered.
Game needs a domination mode. Two control points, 2 parts on the map.
>>339831131
An event that just passed had every KOTH met with Double Zar + Double Reaper vs Double Zar + Double Reaper. Pretty goofy stuff.
>>339830925
The only people who think that are the people that play McCree and just spam Fan the Hammer and think they are good.
>11 Fan the Hammer kills.
>13 eliminations.
>>339826737
You've either never played 76 and widow or you're in full blind rage tilting bitch mode
Widow's auto rifle is nowhere near as good as 76's
>>339830825
Mei is an ugly fat cunt and should be removed on that basis alone, why would anyone play such a revolting character?
>>339831063
Reaper is brought out as a counter to double Winston, which has seen a lot of use lately.
They really should add character limits for comp, it's boring as shit watching 4 Winstons flopping around on an objective trying to stall for time.
>>339830960
Right now that reason is McCree. Mei is a close range problem that he solves, and the comp teams now run 1-3 cowboys. I agree that she's not as big a problem as shitty players make her out to be, but she might start seeing use depending on how hard the fan nerf hits.
Friendly reminder:
Anyone who thinks widow needs a nerf is fucking terrible.
Anyone who says "counterplay" and McCree in the same post is also terrible.
>How to beat Widowmaker
Stay out of line of sight and/or flank. Also Reinhardt
>How to beat McCree
Stay out of flashbang range
>>339831162
>People are still figuring out good team compositions.
No, they've already figured them out. Mei is completely unplayable in a game dominated by McCree and Widowmaker.
>>339831214
This and a CTF-type mode are needed. Maybe some type of Neutral Payload, too.
>>339830382
He's basically old Sion from LoL, back when he had a targeted stun + massive shield burst.
Bad design then, bad design now.
>>339831635
>character designed around ambushing players
>"Duh, just don't get ambushed!"
>character designed around one-shotting people from far away
>"Duh, just don't go out into the open. Or into corridors. Or anywhere."
>>339831635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIEY9-mPn4
>>339831635
>How to beat
>stay out of line of sight
You seem to misunderstand what beat means, and also it's impossible to always stay out of sight of a widow if you want to actually go for objectives.
>>339831635
>>How to beat McCree
>>Stay out of flashbang range
t. McCree shitter
>>339831834
CTF needs characters that are good on their own. Which OW is very much not about.
>>339831635
>How to beat McCree
>Avoid the objective he's close to
>How to beat Widowmaker
>Avoid the path to the objective
Okay. Good to know your opinion is worthless.
>>339832040
no no i think he's on to something, clearly the best way to counter them is to never move out of spawn
>>339827360
>Zip zop zoppity bop from one side of an alley to the other as Tracer
>Die somewhere in the span of your blink
>Kill cam shows the enemy POV blind firing with the message that they killed Anon
>Never actually appear on their screen
>>339831635
>Stay out of flashbang range
You mean anywhere near McCree? Because you're dismissing a fuckton of close range heroes if that's the case. Quit being a faggot.
>>339823012
Mei is in need of a nerd
>>339830382
That's his role in the game, get used to it or stop playing
>>339825672
Is this more to your liking?
>>339827470
YOU FUCKING MORON THAT IS CLEARLY TICKRATE JESUS CHRIST
>>339824416
SEE?! THIS GUY IS INTELLIGENT AND KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.
>>339832549
>hitboxes are tickrate
k
>>339832594
I really thought I couldn't be more blatant with the sarcasm. Oh well.
I agree with OP that the snipers due need a nerf.
>Point in general direction
>Full charge in .3 seconds
>Kill almost anyone with a bodyshot
>>339832473
That's fucking dumb. From top to bottom.
>>339830382
McCree's job is to literally win in 1v1 situations to stop flankers. His counter is teamwork.
>>339830960
Literally the only reason she is not picked in competitive is because usually teams run two McCrees
>>339833298
>McCree's job is to literally win in 1v1 situations to stop flankers.
Then why the fuck is he so strong at mid range then?
>His counter is teamwork
Is that why competitive teams run 2-3 McCrees every game? Because they can't figure out that darned teamwork thing?
>>339833702
Teamwork means having more McCrees than the other team.
>>339833298
>A flanker's job is to be better than every flanker
Yeah?
>His counter is a team devoting themselves to one threat
And what if there are two McCrees? (You know, the current issue)
>>339833903
>>339833702
Competitive teams like water, they take the easiest path. And right now they run McCrees to maximize beating people in 1v1 situations, because grouping up is situational in competitive play
>>339826985
>can't deal with a Tracer
>WAHHH IT REQUIRES NO SKILL!
No, you're the most deluded fuck in the game.
>>339824438
>reddit or
baka gaijan desu senpai-kun
>>339832473
The bigger hitbox buff is an interesting idea but that peacekeeper change is straight up retarded.
>1260 in one fan the hammer
>300 in 4 shots
>>339833908
I'm not saying I agree with allowing multiples of one hero on a team. McCrees job is to wander near the objective and watch out for flankers like Reaper and tracer, or anyone else that is trying to attack his team from behind. Flankers easily wreck a lot of other Heroes, especially supports. Without him they would run rampant.
>>339825047
Fan doesn't get headshot bonus thank god
>>339828280
You realise Genji's ult does like 150 per swing right?
He can't even instantly kill the vast majority of characters with it and he has to get into melee range without the get out of jail free rewind and dashes.
>>339833298
If his job is to stop flankers like tracer then naturally he would be weaker to meaty tanks right?
Oh wait mcree's "role" is to just kill everything.
>>339828205
>A child had to die because muh animals are so noble
Stop being retarded.
>>339834421
McCree is a flanker and McCree is running rampant as the dominant flanker. Jesus Christ you can't be this dumb.
>>339834686
If you're getting flanked by mcree then you should try looking around every once in a while and shoot him before he waddles up to you
>>339834421
McCree doesn't need to burst for 470 damage during a hard CC to do this job.
>>339832959
Hanzo is fine. Widow is cancer. Mcree is but blizz has already said how theyl change him. By nerfing fan so it doesnt melt tanks
>>339832473
That's fucking awful and the bigger hit box would make the flash fan combo even easier to land before you could react to it
>>339833298
>McCree's job is to literally win in 1v1 situations to stop flankers.
Nope, his only job is to just stop flankers. He's not supposed to have the damage output to instant solo Reinhardts on a 10 second cd.
>>339829401
>The counter to this character is that character
>This is also the argument for McCree
Does nobody see the problem here
>>339834865
Well then it's a good thing that he doesn't do that against non tanks
Why do people pretend that fan does max damage to anything besides rein/winston, their shields and roadhog. The spray prevents you from applying full damage to anyone else unless you're literally inside of their model
That's also why they're planning to nerf exactly that part of his toolkit, he's not supposed to be shredding tanks like he currently is that's reaper/76's jobs
>>339833298
You're saying it's his "job" but really he does so much more, and it only became his "job" because of how poorly designed he is.
His range is much better than Reaper's, may as well be comparable to Soldier's. 70 damage per shot or 140 per headshot. His stun grenade does 20, even without Fan, he can kill Tracer in a single stun + headshot. Anything else that flanks, he can vary it from that to fanning instead which would end up as 440 damage, or even fan-roll-fan and do 860. He can almost singlehandedly stop a fucking Winston ult without an ult of his own in under 2 seconds, with them unable to do anything about it.
And if he decides to just push up the middle as the main assault, he can still 3-shot people with body shots, or simply fan the hammer in a lot of other scenarios if anyone gets remotely close or there's a big target. He can eat through shields or easily neutralize anyone (or multiple people) in a big confrontation. Hell, he doesn't even have to use his ridiculous DPS to bring down a Reinhart shield for your team, he can throw his flashbang above/behind him and it will stun regardless.
He does fucking everything.
>>339830825
Mei sucks. Any situation where you win with her, you would have been more effective with practically any other character. Notably McCree.
>>339834851
If you're getting flanked by Reaper you should try looking around every once in a while and shoot him before he unsheathes his katana.
>Insanely Fast Scope Charge time
>10 Shots in a clip, very spammable fire rate
>For Some reason she's a 200hp class
>Sniper rifle does not unzoom on shot
>Her aim isn't thrown off by shooting at her
>Other characters ults are canceled/wasted if they die, not her, that shit just goes even if she dies.
>Other characters ults have a call out, not her, and her's is arguably better than some kill move.
>Her Ult is arguably the best in the game, seeing as it has the potential to completely deny flanks and pushes. Wallhacks are no laughing matter.
>Reaper's teleport marker is visible to everyone, Yet she doesn't get a Laser sight to show where she's aiming.
>Mercy's self defense tool is a seperate weapon so she has to switch to it. Not her, both AR and Sniper rifle are the same gun so fuck weapon switch times.
>Her AR does about the same damage as S76's
>Has a good escape tool, can use it to easily escape D.vas who are supposed to be the "Anti Sniper"
>Has an Anti-Flank trap that, even when destroyed, tells her theres someone there
>The Game is already pretty slow, and 20 ticks per second doesn't help.
>The only counter to widowmaker is widowmaker
There is no flaw.
If D.va Or winston jump at her, she'll just hookshot away and snipe the fuck out of them while their jump moves is on Cooldown.
>>339834647
Nigger kid, though.
>>339835371
>Well then it's a good thing that he doesn't do that against non tanks
You're right, he kills everyone before he does that much damage against non-tanks.
>Why do people pretend that fan does max damage to anything besides rein/winston, their shields and roadhog.
No one does, it just does enough to instantly kill whoever you're generally facing at short range. Not that it matters since you can just body shot twice with M1 and still kill anyone under 200 health, which is half the caste of characters.
Number one target for nerfs is Widowmaker. A competent Widow will delete your team in seconds. So you either dedicate several of your teammates to constantly hunt their Widow to make sure she never gets 5 - 6 secs free to wipe your team, or you lose.
>>339834296
You've clearly not read the thing properly then.
Most heroes have 200 health.
4 shots with McCree's current revolver deals 280 damage.
The shots to kill most heroes hasn't changed at all - in fact 2 and a half heroes suddenly become harder for McCree to kill.
>>339828646
but his ult doesn't even need a nerf that shit isn't even good
imagine if mcrees flashbangs worked like real life ones
that'd be so fucked up
>>339827470
Why do bow and arrows always have such terrible hitboxes?
>>339836054
Because how else can anyone get kills with them
>>339835583
>laser sight
Now there's an idea.
Competitive needs MOBA rules. Only one of each character per round. No character changing mid match. Got a bad match up? Too bad, should of picked a more balanced team for every situation.
>>339836359
That's one of the brawls. They've said they want hero switching to be part of the main game.
>someone on team says "useless team" / "lost because of my team" after losing
>respond with "Can't you just accept a defeat?"
>"that's how a loser talks, you think a winner likes losing?"
Is this really how people think?
>>339836126
It's crazy how generous they are with headshot hitboxes with them. I swear aiming center-mass just gives you it, even when it's not D.VA.
>>339827470
If they hit box is that lenient on him then how come I still can't fucking hit anything?
>ur bad
I was better with the Huntsman in TF2.
>>339836359
>should of
You seem exactly like the kind of person that would want shit like that.
>>339827470
>Fifteen fuckin percent ult per hit
Please tell me that's just in the training thing?
>>339836460
Then I guess they don't want competitive to be part of the main game.
>>339836591
Same here, I think the arrow is just slow as fuck. Huntsman was easy as fuck compared to this.
>>339836463
It seems to always, WITHOUT FAIL, be an assault class user. Then they respond with "but I got most kills lol!" like it fucking matters.
Does widowmaker really need 200 health to be honest
>>339836654
What?
>>339824018
Also needs to flinch when shot, how the game shipped with that slut being able to aim freely while shot at is beyond me
>>339836460
Wait, Overwatch has a "Tavern Brawl" mode like Hearthstone? I've never played OW.
>>339836785
You're a fucking retard, 's all. This game does not need more moba shit than it already has.
>>339836701
That's dumb. You're dumb. It'd make first pick way too strong. It only works in mobas because there's such a huge roster. Not everything needs to be like mobas.
>>339836802
Yeah, weekly "silly" mode. Currently is this.
>>339836858
Oh okay.
>>339832473
>Target range a group on a capture point
>fan their now huge hitboxes for the buff
>roll and fire another 1260 damage into the bumble fucks unlucky enough to have you close to them.
>2,520 damage spread across all targets
What the flying fuck.
>just had a game against a team with 4 tracers.
that's what hell must be like
>>339836942
Retards trying to balance games. It's what you get with blizzards audience.
I just hope the DVa buffs aren't too heavy-handed and that McCree's m1 stays close to the same. It feels good to land some headshots from downrage as a cowboy.
>>339836463
I lost a game cause nobody tried pushing the point plus no healers. Then a genji on my team says that we gotta learn how to push and how he had the most elims and for that reason is why we lost. I swear man some of these fucking people.
>>339836942
I mean if the planets allign corectly too then Widowmaker can also get a team wipe if everyone places their heads under her crosshair one by one.
Same with Bastion.
Also that's not how the Target Range works, it only shares the combo multiplyer, not damage.
>>339836591
Treat it as more of a mid-range thing and don't expect much of an arc. Fire into crowds like a retard from high-up areas most people can't reach, but be able to hop off straight into your team the moment someone can jump up there or a widowmaker sees you.
He works almost just as well behind a Reinhart just shitting out damage, and Sonar/Scatter arrows both also do a lot to just help harass the shit out of enemies.
>>339837125
not if you use mei the bae
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>>339837125
>Just had a game against 2 Zaryas, 2 McCrees, Mercy, and a Widowmaker
>>339823012
The game would be 300% more fun with Mcree, Hanzo and Widowmaker straight out removed. Their play styles only encourage cancer
>>339823012
>competitive play often has 2 McCrees on a single team
>h-he is fine guys
>>339835583
also the fact that shes hitscan
cant hanzo a widow, even if you manage to land an arrow in her dome if shes any good youre already dead by the time the arrow reaches her, at which point its a tie and youre still at a disadvantage bc youre hanzo and shes widow
>>339837465
Hanzo doesn't bother me as much as Mei does.
She fucking removes your mouse sensitivity.
>>339837537
It also frequently has double Winston, double Zarya, double Widow, and double Reaper.
>>339837269
It's not that a team can't be bad, but if someone wants to say that, they need to give advice and not be a cunt about it. Simply saying "useless team" or the equivalent of "I AM GREAT AND I ONLY LOST BECAUSE EVERYONE I WAS MATCHED WITH SUCKS" in all chat is the sign of someone who can't accept a defeat.
Similarly, every time someone on my team says "ez" in all chat for a match that wasn't a complete steamrolling, I say "Nah, it was close, they were good".
>>339837465
>Be Roadhog
>Holding point like a champ
>Widowmaker is trying to kill me
>Cant
>Switchs to McCree at the last push
>Rushs in behind a Reinhardt
>Fan,Roll,E,Fan
>100% kill from that faggot
Almost certain all the shitters only play as Mccree, Widow and Hanzo
>>339837125
>mfw Tracer
>mfw idiots on the other team start chasing me down with 30 seconds left
Feels good to be a complete asshole to the other team.
>>339837274
Its not uncommon for McCree to hit two heroes with a flashbang. This change makes fan absolutely unbeatable in close range, even more so than it is now. You have to fan roll fan to kill a Roadhog now, but this just straight up kills him in the 5th shot of a single fan
Teams would literally be 5 McCree's and a Lucio
>Also that reasoning
>Roadhog is fine because he can pop an eight second cooldown on the fifth shot of an instant cooldown ability
>>339837670
All of those are situational. McCree works in literally every single team and map.
>>339830825
>she's impossible to fight at her only good range
>I can't kill her at long range because none of her moves have cooldowns and when you hide things behind curtains or walls I get scared and confused
>>339826506
Eat hook, shitter. You're not going anywhere with your dashes spent
Forced character uniqueness fucking when? Having multiples of any character is horseshit and even the most basic of class based games got that part right, why the fuck can't Overwatch?
>>339838117
>thinking a good Tracer won't always keep one dash free
Nice try, Roadhog. Butyou're too slow!
>>339832035
>CTF needs characters that are good on their own
What? How is this a prereq?
All they'd have to do is make it so you drop the flag if you do any type of mobility special move.
>play D.Va
>be such a huge nuisance and threat that showing my face causes people from the enemy team to focus on me every time
>pull half the enemy team away from objectives chasing me on D.Va's Wild Ride
>my team doesn't push the objective with half the team preoccupied by me and just sits around with their thumbs in their asses
Personally I think D.va would be fixed just by not allowing headshots while she is in the mech. It doesn't make a lot of sense until she is outside of it. That would allow her to be a little more durable while being focused but not op.
>>339838407
They'd have to change her armor to normal hp then, otherwise she'd be so much tankier than anyone else.
>>339824764
This is fantastic.
>Expect to have majority play time with support and tanks
>End up having 50% of my hero playtime as McCree
He's just so fucking GOOD. I win every match I play as him. I can usually take the whole enemy team; he's too tempting to play as
>>339823061
>there are people who think McCree is fine
