What's your stance on pixel art?
>>339759734
I love it when it's done well
Good pixel art is good, while bad pixel art is not good.
>>339759734
>this isn't a game
Damn...
>>339759734
If it's done well, it can be extremely good
And vice versa
I wish I could do it well.
>>339759734
good when done well like golden sun but when its undertale tier indieshit its usually a huge turn off
>>339759734
>pixelshit
no thanks
>>339759734
It's not been used well for a while.
I so badly want to see a game that utilizes pixel art like pic-related but with a large sense of scale where every pixel is used to make a scene on a 1920x1080+ canvas. With fluid animations and high interactivity.
Perhaps a city-building sim or RTS/4x where every aspect of the game is made on the smallest scale with the every pixel utilized to create everything from the UI to the details.
I like pixel art.
>>339761197
>>339759734
Neat and saved
>>339761197
Now that's just beautiful.
>>339759734
Good pixel art is very nice.
Bad pixel art is getting annoying.
Although, there is even a place for bad pixel art. Terraria, for example. What it lacks in looking amazing, it makes up for with crazy amounts of items. That wouldn't be as possible if the graphics were more refined.
>>339761197
literally impossible
>>339761197
That image alone probably took the artist a year, and it's not even close to 1920x1080.
>>339759734
I fully support pixel art, Pixels can display a fantastic amount of creativity and emotion if done right.
It's when indie shits try to release a pixel game with atari type graphics with 0 effort and call it "artsy" or "going classic".
I love it, hate when it is used to promote the game as """""""""retro"""""""""".
>>339761361
What game is this? Is it just an artist's rendition? (No, definitely not wl4)
>>339759734
>>339763492
To a professional, that almost certainly did not take 1 year. 3 months sounds more like it.
>>339759734
Uh, that's not pixel art. Not according to modern indie devs.
If you asked an indie dev, they'd tell you something like pic related is more closer to the definition of "pxiel art"
>>339763975
too bad weebshit ruins it
>>339764027
I hate this fake-ass shit. I wish the iphone's appstore had games like wario land4.
>>339764052
yes, Japanese video games from the 80's shouldn't look like that!!!
>>339764052
Have some non-weeb
>>339763829
Naa unfortunately it's not a real wario game but just as you said an artist drawing. I found it on google and I loved the art.
I wish more games were like this
Pixel art is interesting.
It can be done amazing well ,and look incredible.
But these days it's mostly poor, like >>339764027
However, the shoddy graphics are a result of many game creators being talented coders while entirely lacking in artistic talent. I don't feel like a talented game creator should be unable to create a game due to pixel art being unacceptable.
Even that garbage I linked to earlier is acceptable if it's to convey a game with fun or interesting mechanics.
It's too expensive to hire pixel artists and takes too long to make pixel art.
The general audience these days doesn't know how games used to look. Thus people easily get away with MS Paint sketches.
This guy summed up the state of the industry pretty well:
http://www.dinofarmgames.com/a-pixel-artist-renounces-pixel-art/
In the hands of an expert it usually gets my nostalgia boner raging. There's a lot of stuff between "expert" and "unskilled", of course, but these days you'll more often see it as a crutch for a bad artist.
Honestly, though, even that's not the end of the world. Visual presentation is important, but not every game needs to be a visual masterpiece to be good.
>>339764203
Found the source: http://pixeljoint.com/pixelart/90674.htm
>>339759734
Adore it when it has effort put into it.
>>339764163
too messy
Requires a budget to pull off.
A budget 3A companies don't want to spend and indies don't have.
The right side looks like it's straight out of Contra 4
>>339764515
General audience doesn't know the difference between good and bad pixel art and just wants nostalgia even if it's not really properly made
Retro is more a buzzword than anything
Freeman stage is great
>>339759734
Pixel art is good, but in games it needs to be done by someone competent.
>>339764278
that is not pixel art though
>>339764715
SNK really knew how to handle spritework
>>339764668
>>339759734
I hate how I'm always supposed to think "it's beautiful," especially to excuse the mediocre game beneath it
>>339764715
I've seen this guy's work for years, has he ever been hired to do anything yet?
>>339764024
Fucking hell, I'd never thought it would be so long, I understand now why everyone says it's impossible to make a game with good pixel art
>>339759734
Sprites do not scale well. You're posting them at native resolution, but monitors are not 512x338.
Also the bigger the canvas, the harder it is to make the sprite pixel by pixel. A lot of people sticking to 2D have just moved on to hand drawn art (like Skullgirls) because of this
>>339761197
That image is beautiful. It's nice to imagine a world where video game could look like this, but I'm pretty sure its not ever going to happen.
>>339764405
Thanks mate.
>>339764027
I'm not surprised hearing that. I will never acknowledge garbage like that as "pixel art".
Like this anon said >>339764321
They might be talented coders but poor artists.
>>339764908
>>339759734
Belongs in pokemon games
they've looked like shit since it was changed.
>>339764997
Nah man, SNK has it in the bag with the KoF14 models
>>339765037
It's not only time consuming, but really fucking expensive on top of that.
>>339765037
Did you read it as 3 years? I said 3 **months**.
>>339765083
>>339764997
Best bait of 2016?In case you actually don't know, that's a background from SNK's Garou: Mark of the Wolves.
>>339765180
>>339765173
Yeah I read it well, I really thought it would take like 3 or 4 days for a professional
>>339765173
I think he got that anon, 3 months for a 500x475 background is still unfeasible for a video game
>>339765345
>>339765367
>3 or 4 days
lel
When CRTs died, pixel art died with it.
LCDs cannot scale pixel art at all. You just get blocks
>>339761197
>read
>>339763492
>>339764024
>>339765037
>>339765173
>>339765112
Well can't you just, like make the drawing normally and just programmatically downscale it to pixel art?
>>339760462
It looks identical to the shit in Shantae Risky's Revenge and the Pirate's Curse, if you're interested.
>>339759734
I respect it when it's used well, like in metal slug.
I hate when it's used for nostalgia pandering, but I accept it in things like low budget indie games, since they don't really have a lot of options.
It's alright if the team is small, if there are no budget concerns non-pixel is always preferred.
>>339759734
When?
>>339765523
What about animating it?
>>339765367
I have no true idea, actually. 3 months was a complete guesstimate. It sounds right because that's about as long it would take for a portrait painting to be done.
>>339765067
Also like to add that this anon brings a new good point. >>339764024
If work like that takes a long time then I guess can understand why most devs stray away from it if time or budget is an issue.
>>339764461
>>339764515
>>339764668
>>339764715
>>339764898
>>339765110
>>339765180
>>339765345
>>339765378
>>339765431
very nice i love this thread.
>>339765494
HURR MUH SCANLINES
you and all of your kind are fucking retarded
>>339765037
It's not really impossible, just extremely cost inefficient. It's like expecting hand-drawn animated films being done without computer assistance.
>>339765673
goddamn that is a tiny dude
>>339764024
Nah. To a professional, that image probably took a few days, and most of that was animating it.
>>339765707
What? I'm not talking about scanlines. I mean an actual TV. There are optical illusions that you can do with pixel art that just don't work with high resolution displays
>>339765523
You can, but it's going to look a lot worse than actually doing the sprites by hand. Not to mention you'll have to clean every single fucking sprite and frame of animation when you downscale it.
>>339765673
Draw the animation normally and downscale every image?
Obviously the downscaling wouldn't be perfect but I imagine correcting it to look good would take much less than making the whole image pixel by pixel from scratch
>>339764163
Cool
>>339764278
>>339764769
Then what is it? I like it though.
Even simplistic stuff can look amazing, it's just today's ""artists"" that are fucking bad at it.
It's fine if done properly.
>Have an Amiga 500 growing up
>One program for it is something for drawing pixel art
>It has hundreds of insanely high quality examples
Can't remember the name of it but to this day it's still some of the best pixel art I ever remember seeing.
>>339765665
getting a boner over here
source on that pls
>>339765946
It's sprite-art. It's different, but it looks almost just as good.
I know there are differences but I can't explain them well.
>>339765919
I think the quality would depend on the algorithm used to downscale the image. If the algorithm is designed with pixel art in mind maybe the solution wouldn't be that bad. I don't know if anyone has tried to make software specifically for this, but maybe it'd be worth looking into.
Do you guys like Kings of Power 4 Billion Percent?
https://youtu.be/VZy5S-jUIlw
>>339765110
That water is amazing.
>>339766085
Owlboy.
>>339766014
>>339766171
Fun fact, I think the guy made this one by making color cycles in html 5 and CSS 3
>>339765431
You know, as nice as SNK's pixel art is in the games themselves I kinda had to start questioning their method of making it after I saw that one stage with the helicopter flying in the background. It looked like they just took certain objects and transferred them into a pixel style rather than actually creating it.
And I also just realized I'm terrible at explaining things.
>>339766105
I want to sex that gif
>>339766214
I'm out of good art, I just have some trashy ones
>>339759734
it's a medium
sorry I couldn't meme it up better for you here OP. have a cat on the house
>>339759734
it's gotten a stigma attached to it over the past 5-10 years because of lazy indie devs thinking that pixel art thinking it will make their game automatically look good because lolretro. Just like anything else, it needs effort put in to look good. There are some beautiful modern pixel games out there, there is also unfortunately a mountain of garbage pixel games.
>>339766312
KoF XIII as the best pixel art ever.
>>339759734
They're really fun to make.
Gatou stage
>>339766174
sweet jesus have some fucking mercy, this is too fucking beautiful.
so it does not have release date then?
god damn
>that fucking zelda vibe
>ridiculous amount of detail
>maximum comfiness
>>339766014
deluxe paint?
>>339766425
Gorgeous when done right. Terrible when done wrong.
Shame rejected atari 2600 sprites pass as pixel "art" today.
>>339761361
>>339766174
Reminds me of the Sea of Clouds in FFXIV.
>>339766014
what mode is this?
>>339759734
As long as people will put heart into it and do it well, then I have no problem with that.
>>339766546
Might have been.
I'm out of art
>>339766529
>so it does not have release date then?
As far as I know, no.
>>339759734
pixels are shit
>>339766683
>BoF 6 never
>>339766683
Huh. Is that Breath of Fire?
>we will never have a fun point and click adventure game featuring screens made by a beautiful pixel artist
would back on kickstart
>>339766553
>>339766824
Yeah.
>>339766804
Anon I...
I think when it comes to like indie games I like the more jagged look over something that's totally smooth. Like original Binding of Issac looks like a cheap flash game while Rebirth can decieve you into thinking it took a lot more effort to make than it did.
>>339759734
Can be really cool when it's had more than just a few minutes of work and isn't made by someone aiming for "le 80's classic nostaliga rose tinted glasses I'm such a nerd cred" bullshit
>>339759734
Pixel Art? Great
Indie "retro" style? No so much.
>>339766778
>>339766529
the dpad website says 2016
>>339766851
>Point and Click Adventure games
After TTG stopped doing those kind of things and broken age got shilled for style over substance, I'm truly of the belief that no one will ever again make a truly infocom style EVGA adventure.
>>339764668
How do you even make something like that water? It looks very technical
Wonderful when it's done well, and atrocious when it's done badly.
Like comparing Metal Slug or SNK games to pretentious indie crap.
>>339766683
>tfw this isn't bof6
>>339766957
http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/
>>339766553
All aboard the midtown express to HELL!
>>339767257
I read that in the Demoman's voice wtf
>>339765537
>identical
lol no
Whats the difference between bad pixel art and good pixel art?
>>339767194
>>339760462
Get a load of this faggot.
>>339763492
iirc the creaator said that even he would have trouble recreating stuff like that because the tools he used aren't compatible with newer hardware.
>>339761197
>>339763401
>>339763492
>>339765048
>>339764024
>>339765867
that image is color cycled, you dipshits
jesus
http://www.effectgames.com/effect/article.psp.html/joe/Old_School_Color_Cycling_with_HTML5
>>339767007
>binding of isaac looks like a cheap flash game
Original BoI IS a cheap flash game, anon
>>339767606
Fuck you, you say that like it's common knowledge. Thanks for the informative link, though.
>>339767697
Why are non technical people discussing a technical skill like pixel art?
>>339759734
watch this in your monitors resolution in fullscreen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viozNEfDEWk
and tell me it isn't one of the most aesthetically pleasing games you've ever seen.
Intricate pixel art will always be impressive.
>>339767834
How technical is it? It's art.
>>339767847
how did they get SMB3 to go beyond its native res?
>>339767139
http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/
http://www.effectgames.com/demos/worlds/
There's an interview with the artist, Mark Ferrari. Check out his website too, it contains info about these and other things he made.
>>339767742
Maximum comfy
>>339767928
Well, it's certainly way more involved than that. But whatever.
>>339767847
I'd rather see the All Stars version
>>339764368
That was an interesting read.
The multiple-resolution deal he comments always pissed me off to no end, just as much as chiptunes with infinite channels and sample/sounds from multiple systems.Guess that's the price of autism.
>>339765537
Not identical, but it reminded me of that part too.
>>339765523
>Well can't you just, like make the drawing normally and just programmatically downscale it to pixel art?
Pixel artist here.
You can, with the right tools and know-how. Downscalling alone won't cut it.
But if you can afford to have non-pixel artworks like that on your game, there isn't much use on turning it into pixel. Just keep it nice an beautiful.
>>339768116
Pixel Art just isn't as resourceful as it was before, it's practically just pure art form at this point as 3D and HD spriting took over the game art market.
>>339765673
This is not pixel art, btw. The artist used a 3D modelling/rendering software with "pixel art-like" filters.
>>339767937
its video editing, they used map images and spent quite a long time lining things up
>>339767385
This.
Anon's need to stop acting like Shantae is the secret hot shit.
>>339766446
It's up there.
>>339767007
game?
>pardon la vie
*pardon la vie*
>>339768516
>the wee curly piggy tail
Awwwwww that's fucking adorable
>>339764662
Because it's from the same artist. Henk Nieborg is his name.
>>339768490
KoF is just rotoscoped shit though
>>339765676
But it's actually about right.
Unless the artist cheats the fuck out of the image, it'll take him somewhere inside 3 months to finish.
>>339768940
Doesn't stop it from looking gorgeous.
Why do games just do 8-bit or make games have obviously bad looking pixel art?
>>339763975
Can anyone tell me why the image flickers when I scroll up/down? I've seen this happen before with images of old VNs but I've never knew why, I assume it's because of black lines but I want to be sure
>>339768562
I think it was called Succubus Tower
>>339769620
damn that's sweet
>>339769353
This really bugs me because when it fires they hardly react at all... the guy loading shells snaps back into his first animation too fast.
I remember when I was younger and used to save all those pixel art backgrounds and pixel animations, thinking sometime in the future they would improve.
Instead they all became lazy and mediocre.
>>339769353
>Why do games just do 8-bit or make games have obviously bad looking pixel art?
Because making good looking pixel art actually takes a lot of time/talent/money, and people making dirt-budget indie games usually only have the bare minimum skills for making a game (coding).
>>339770085
You're so fucking stupid
>>339770440
You sure told me:^)
>>339770517
i cringed but seriously you're an idiot.
An entire team of people used to work on pixel art for games. Teams of people work on 3D games now. You can't expect a one man dev to make the kind of shit entire teams were making back then.
>>339767385
>>339768436
>>339768259
But it is. I didn't post a good screenshot, but a good amount of OPs pic is ripped directly from Shantae, like the flowers.
Thats undoubtedly the same artist at the least, just look at Mighty Switch Force and Contra 4, they all have the exact same style.
Man, pixel art seems like something I'd like to do, but I'd have no clue how to start on that sorta thing.
>>339771372
It's the same artist. Henk Nieborg.
>>339771372
Don't get me wrong. Shantae looks great throughout. It isn't a gold standard though.
>>339770698
So that was your reason? You're pretty damn stupid too then, reacting like a toddler.
I never expected solo devs to make some magnificent art, but I do expect those dev teams that love using kikestarters to make something exceptional.
>>339771445
Start by learning art.
The problem with god tier pixel art in games is that you have to, not only, make graphics easily readable by the player (This hurts backgrounds), but animations that move quickly and fluidly to pass on information (This hurts actors and other foreground objects). That takes a ton of work, to make something look pretty but to not distract from the gameplay.
>>339771719
Kikestarter demonstrates again and again that good developers do not automagically equate good project leads.
>it's a "/v/ posts mockups and pretends they're existing games" thread
>>339771445
Deviantart tutorials will get you started.
>>339771445
Visit a pixel art website sometime. Pixel Joint's the only one I really know about, they have tutorials there.
>>339772921
Now that we can agree with. What a shame.
>>339772921
>automagically
>I thought this was a typo
>mfw it's a real word
>>339773243
>That animation doesn't have him blowing it out but the smoke appears anyways
This is the other with pixel animation, you fuck up one tiny detail and it's blatantly obvious.
>>339766105
Isn't it just high-res pixel art?
>>339767007
When did this get translated?
>>339768562
You can see it in the pic.
>THE_TOWER_OF_SUCCUBUS
>>339773770
The way I see it, he's blowing it out the instant he removes the e-cigar from his mouth, but the movement hides his lips.
>>339766014
This is the game over screen for the game "Shadow of the Beast 2"
>>339759734
It's a cool but an "outdated" way of doing things
Art doesn't get "outdated", but regular drawings or 3d seem to be the best from a developer perspective.
Nostalgia post.
This shit fucking blew my mind.
Shantae's pixel art is awesome.
>>339774954
Smooth, but not awesome.
>>339774804
>88x150
;_;
>>339767834
Because sometimes it looks neat, despite the mountains of indie trash you usually see.
Someday I'm going to make this in DF, someday
>>339759734
if the game is fun who the fuck cares
>>339768490
why would you post juri
its one of the worst sprites in kof13.
many sprites in that game are pretty fucking shit actually.
takuma looks like a dwarf.
>>339766105
Pixel Art is low res Sprite Art.
Actually is there a single pixel game that renders pixels rather than sprites?
>>339765173
3 months for one small background is absolutely absurd.
