Why don't people like it? It has flaws but I thought it was solid.
But it's my favorite FE. I like FE4 a lot, 10 overall was great.
Loved it. Saw on reddit that the support conversations are non-existant in the game. Buy Awakening. See all the good support conversations present in the game. Now I hate it.
It's really good. Babies who play solely for the shitty support conversations hate it though
>>339734143
Best core gameplay and map design in the series.
Support conversations aside, it is pretty messy in terms of unit availability. Some units are just pure shit while others are too objectively good, and who's available at what time gets pretty fucked once you finish part 1.
If you played and liked Fates enough though, you shouldn't have any problems enjoying RD though since most of RD's issues were exasperated in Fates, especially Revelation.
Because you don't get to play as Ike and his niggas until late in the game.
Also
>that mission where you have to fight your other army
Wish more games did this.
>>339734143
old FE fail to realize that nips no longer like the 90s anime artstyle. They like nu-anime artsyle, like persona/smt/fe:awakening.
And we all know artstyle sells, not gameplay if codename: Steam was any indication
>>339736297
>They like nu-anime artsyle, like persona/smt/fe:awakening
Damn it, they had it right in the 90's.
Drop another two nukes and wait 40 years.
>>339734143
Worst sequel since Chrono Cross.
The story/writing is abysmal, a lot of the units the game forces you to use are awful. It also has way too many 'epic' missions with countless units on both sides so it literally takes minutes for the AI/enemy to finish their turn.
>>339735053
Supports are literally the only good thing about Fire Emblem though. If you want gamepaly there are better SRPGs.
>>339736850
Path of Radiance is no where near chrono trigger levels. It's good but no where near that level. Sequel is fine. Both PoR and Radiant Dawn sold like shit, and reasoning is
>>339736297
>>339734143
Retarded plot. Battles last too long
>>339737103
I didn't think the story was too bad, at least by video game standards. The only thing about it I didn't really like was almost anything Micaiah-related.
Although the character balance was poor and they really should have let you skip enemy/ally turns.
Most units feel useless and it is difficult to build a connection with them. Near the end of the game, you are smashed in the face with units that will be equal or better than the low level characters you spent all game building up. And without meaningful support conversations, there is no reason to become attached to units.
>>339736850
Chrono Cross is actually pretty good though
>>339734143
Character availability was pretty shitty. Dawn brigade had almost no likeable characters. Other than that it was pretty good, support conversations are pretty forgettable for the most part.
>>339737470
>muh attention span
>>339736132
>that one mission where you spend the last few turns scrambling to get you and the Daein soldiers away from the murdermercenaries
One of the best maps in the series desu
Pros:
- great gameplay mechanics
- above-average level design
Cons:
- terrible story (though compared to recent games it doesn't seem that bad) and lack of characterization from support conversations
- unpredictable unit availability detracts from team planning
- hard mode takes away the ability to easily check enemy ranges, so you have to count the squares yourself
Overall it's one of the better games in the series but not the best.
>>339737217
>If you want gamepaly there are better SRPGs.
Not really
>>339734143
The game ruined the important part of Fire Emblem, building your own army. In a standard Fire Emblem game you need atleast 20 chapters for your characters to be built up over even short ass games like Sacred Stones got that right.
Radiant Dawn has the joint 2nd highest number of chapters/battles in a Fire Emblem game(paired with Conquest or Birthright by themselves). However it's split up between different armies and is poorly split. characters like Meg who joins at level 3 unpromoted has about 8 battles before she's expected to face the same kind of enemies that Gatrie who starts at like level 12 promoted who has over 10 battles before the same point and he fights enemies which give more EXP.
The way Radiant Dawn plays out would be like if each campaign in Fates ended after chapter 14 instead of 28, you just wouldn't have enough time to build characters up. Bonus EXP was just a very unsatisfying bandaid solution.
Enemy phases last for fucking ever and there's way too many reinforcements. Couple that with a ton of shitty npcs on the map and the enemies being weak(outside of the dawn brigade sections) and the game is just a slog to play through. Last time I played it I timed an enemy phase and it was two minutes and 30 seconds long with animations off and gamespeed set to max. I'm not even going to cover the story because that's subjective, but I thought it was shit and filled with some pretty stupid shit like Ike leaving and tormod disappearing once the story started.
How hard is Radiant Dawn? Heard it's pretty easy, hated that about Awakening hard mode (using a balanced army on Lunatic seemed impossible so I didn't bother). How is it compared to Conquest+s difficulty?
>>339738896
The Dawn Brigade segments in Chapter 1 and 3 are challenging, Elincia's segments in Chapter 2 are average, and everything with Ike in Chapter 3 is a cakewalk.
Chapter 4 is where you and your superunits steamroll everything.
>>339738896
Its all about the magic number 34.
>>339738896
Sometimes it's hard, sometimes it's easy. It's always slow, and it's always fun.
>>339734143
It's great, but it has a lot of problems:
>Butchered support conversations
>Very poor unit balance (e.g. Tormod's group, Dawn Brigade...)
>Anything involving Micaiah (Which is, unfortunately, a lot.)
>Slow enemy phases
It has fun, challenging maps, though, which is what matters the most, I think.
>>339738896
Part 1 is pretty difficult since most of your units are shit. Part 2 has an average difficulty because you have access to slightly better units. Part 3 varies, the Greil Mercenaries have lots of good units so their chapters are easy whereas the Dawn Brigade chapters are very difficult because you're stuck with your old shitty ones. Part 4 starts off with you controlling different armies (where the majority of the units will be shit with one or two amazing units who can solo the map) then it ends with you taking a handful of your strongest units.
One thing to note is that there isn't much of a reward for training the really shitty units since you'll just be relying on the really good units by the end of the game. While that is bad character balance, it does mean that you don't have to worry too much about OP characters hogging all the experience since you'll just end up ditching them by the end of the game.
>>339734948
are you implying that you played RD without playing PoR?
also,
>awakening
>good support conversations
>>339734143
But people do like it. Except for waifufags that started with awakening and have no clue what a FE game should be like.
>>339738415
>hard mode takes away the ability to easily check enemy ranges, so you have to count the squares yourself
This single handedly makes hard mode basically unplayable and is probably the worst design decision in the entire series
>>339740449
>>339740619
Sure it's not removing the weapon triangle, fucking with early game balance that relies on fragile shitters like edward getting an avoid boost on axemen?
>>339740707
>He doesn't know Mist can be pretty badass with magic swords
>>339738602
this
"Let's add a third tier of classes, but give you no time to level anybody up."
>>339738602
no one ever picked that fat piece of shit so it's kay
>>339741152
But there are like 2 magic swords in the whole game
>>339737217
>people literally grind a game they don't even like for 10 lines of shitty dialog by a localization team that doesn't even give a rat's ass about anything
Jesus, it's like playing Persona solely for the social sim stuff, but 10x worse.
>>339741479
Hammerne
>>339734143
I personally loved it. It is one of my favorites games in the series. I've had a lot of fun with it, and I'm currently replaying PoR, and then I'll replay this one.
Also, Nephenee is my favorite character in the series <3
>>339741767
>508 wins
>>339736850
Cross is better than Trigger shitter
>>339742328
she can kill with normal swords, too. But yeah, using mist like this is probably not the most viable option. Fun, nonetheless.
>>339734143
It was good but fell apart in the later chapters, kinda wish it was just a game's worth of comfy Dawn Brigade rebellion
>>339734143
I liked it a lot. The only weird part was changing armies every few chapters
He is the best
Dorcasfags get out, it's all about Papa Bartre now
>>339742953
The game's writing derails at the point Ike re-enters the story.
RD should've switched the focus to Elincia and played her off against Micaiah/Pelleas, who represent the kingdom she was at war with.
No idea. If I can find a rom of it I'd play it.
>>339737217
Name five. FE and Disgaea are the only SRPGs I've ever seen get any high praise. Advanced Wars, outside of 4chan and the occasionalFacebook comment section, I've never seen love for it.
>>339734143
I enjoyed it, Mist was also easy on the eyes.
>>339745705
Off the top of my head Front Mission/Tactics Ogre/FFT/Langrisser and I GUESS Growlanser though that's maybe leaning more to JRPG
>>339734143
I like itand the story was good, even the blood pact
>>339734143
I liked it a lot. A lot of the problems that I had with it have been covered in this thread already so I'm not gonna re-tread.
>>339745705
FF Tactics
>>339734948
Got into fire emblem a little bit after brawl came out. Bought Fire Emblem with Lyn, Hector, and company. Bought Radiant Dawn couple years later. Did not know that it was a sequel.
Was very shocked to find out that GBA fire emblem games even had support. Never encountered any during my playthrough outside of Dorcas and son, which I thought was just an easter egg.
>>339735053
Supports are the way it fleshes out the characters though so we don't get Cord, and Bord, or Aran
>>339737103
Being forced to use shitty units is what makes it challenging.
>>339739218
>Titania's speed cap is forever 33, and Urvan is only one range.
>>339747328
Supports took forever to build up, 9 and 12 did them pretty well with them just being related tot he amount of maps fielded together
>>339737103
This.
Also, the Black Knight's identity reveal was cringe-tastic.
>>339748771
I wouldn't say there was anything cringey about it, was certainly lackluster though, how would you have done it? All I can think of is having Ike call him by name in 4-E-2
>>339748668
> what are base convos.
>>339749195
Normally limited to one per character, and in some cases such as Tanith they don't get any, but there's little you can do to show a character's depth in just one conversation
>>339748771
I remember when I had a friend who spoiled that when I specifically told him not to. I punched him in the head so hard he got a concussion.
>>339739769
But the Dawn Brigade units are objectively some of the best in the game.
>>339741156
Maybe you just play like garbage. I had all the units that mattered to me to tier 3 by the first maps in part 4. I got Aran, Nolan, and Edward all to tier 3 by 3-13.
I thought the story was okay aside from blood pacts but I think what hurt it the most was how fast it moved at times. For example, the entire scenario that led to the war that takes up Part 3 is laid out in... a two minute blurb at the start of its first chapter. There were a lot of times where I just went "Oh, so it's like that now? Alright then" because that's how much time the game took to explain itself.
The maps are ace though.
>>339750915
>Units that matter
>not mentioning Jill
She's probably the best character the DB have
![[IhavenowillIhavenoobjections].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/A6RM8Yt.jpg "[IhavenowillIhavenoobjections].jpg")
I like it on emulators but the game is too fucking pricey. Apparently it's the rarest standard Wii game, over XC even.
>>339742589
I had a PoR game (I know not RD) where she capped every stat but luck by her promote and continued to do it even after, she became my mvp unit as she was essentially a myrmidon on a horse and with a sonic sword a better dragon killer then soren.
I like this game a lot. Like for some reason it's one of my favorites. My only issue is the AI of allied and neutral(?, the green ones) units.
>>339751082
But that's just wrong. Nolan is objectively the best unit in the game.
Jill is outclassed by Haar anyway.
>Having to play Micaiah just to get Ike back
It was a test of fortitude.
>>339751525
Haar is better one on one, but Jill is more useful.
Like how Caineghis is one of the strongest units, but people like Sothe who help out when you need it more are considered better
>>339740176
Not him but I did. The game does a decent job at letting you know who everyone is and what they are doing. I even enjoyed the story which most people dislike.
>>339746786
This tbqh. I enjoyed RD's story more than most of the FE games I played. RD also has a phenomenal soundtrack.
>>339749431
Supports can be fucking worse. Scarlet is basically "I like shiny things". With base convos, at least you can't literally be cucked by Cordelia or something. People who shit on the base convos are fucking retards who think pies are good characterization. I'm not going into the fact that Robin/Chrom have like 2 romantic scenes outside of " LOL YOU SEEN ME NAKED."
>>339752551
I've never got the hate towards blood pacts, the BK reveal, and Tormod's cew could have been done better here though.
>>339752840
>tfw the in battle recruitment theme
fucking great stuff
>>339752880
There are clearly issues but for the most part I think it is rather well presented and has a good cast that I actually care for.
>>339753086
Shit man, nearly all the tracks are great. It's one of the few games soundtracks I've listened to in it's entirety.
>>339741791
Nephenee is an excellent unit. She is always a top runner when I play through Radiant Dawn.
>>339753312
goddammit this is making me want to boot up my wii, play RD and listen to the OST.
But yeah, hearing that theme when Haar recruits Jill is just incredible.
>>339734143
Radiant Dawn not only my favorite game in the series but one of my favorite games of all time. It's only real weakness is it's lack of supports and at times questionable story which I enjoy regardless.
>>339753478
That's partly because she has the most availability, and partly because she needs to be babied a bit to get up to scratch in Part 3
>>339752841
>Complaining that most units had their entire character padded into 0-1 base conversations is defending Awakening's support conversations.
Well okay then
>>339734143
MC was a total bitch
>>339753850
Nigger, I am not defending Awakening.
>>339753937
Ike was based though.
>>339753995
No, but you seemed to think I was
>>339734143
Maps being way too big at times.
Obtuse way to get the "true" ending and only dark-magic-user.
Hard mode confiscating quality of life tools like markable enemy ranges for no better reason than artificial difficulty.
Apart from that though, it's actually my favourite FE.
>blood pact
>>339755087
You have two recruitable dark magic users from the second playthrough onwards
>>339756656
You can only bless one dark tome and the second mage only comes in after everything gets mantle, so It pretty much amounts to one.
>>339755087
How do you even get the true ending?
>>339758741
Basically view the memory scene at the end of 4-E-2
From what I remember to do that you have to field the BK in 1-E and have Ike fight the BK in 3-7 and have them both survive
>>339758875
that's just weird.
>see thread
>looks interesting
>look up game to see if I can buy a copy (which I do after emulating if the game is good)
>$145 CDN
Welp. Why the fuck is it so pricey? FE is popular right? It can't be that rare...
>>339758875
You also need Soren to battle Micaiah and Pelleas on separate maps in Chapter Three.
>>339759095
sales were low so not a lot of copies were made
>>339759095
You should start with Path of Radiance anyway. Radiant Dawn is a direct sequel.
>>339759501
huh
>>339759686
It's pricey too (although a little cheaper). I also checked used for RD and it's still $100+.
>>339760002
too bad, I was lucky I got them from a friend.
>>339759338
No you don't, I never use Soren, and I can still get the memory scene and the bit with Ashunera fine.
Unless you mean the throwaway line between Soren and Almedha revealing thatSoren is Ashnard's father
>d-d-d-dawn brigade is not Fail Mercenaries!!
It's been almost nine years since! Holy shit, do you PoR faggots hold a grudge like what?
>>339761232
>spoiler
We time outrealms with time travel now.
>>339760741
Well enjoy them then you lucky bastardwhich one do you like better?
>>339762051
Oh fuck, I got the two names the wrong way round
>>339741791
Nephenee was my 3rd
>>339741791
I love Neph
Gave her a forged weapon with a str card on it and she was part of my 2 unit nuke squad along with Gatrie.
>>339761232
That didn't come as that big of a surprise to me, when I first played PoR and I saw Kurth I had a sneaking suspicion he and Soren were related because they looked similar to me.
>>339762124
hmm, tough one. Radiant Dawn, I guess.
>>339763126
My nigga
>>339763879
Sounds good then I guess. I suppose I'll save up for it then.
Mia was my number one in both games, too.
>>339759095
>FE is popular right?
Wasn't back then.
>>339750915
Only three come to mind: Jill, Zihark and Nolan. Everyone else is either horrible (Meg, Fiona, cleric girl...), outclassed (Edward, Tauroneo, Aran, Sothe...), or has poor availability, such as Tormod and Vika.
>>339764079
You really should start with PoR tho. Well, I guess you could read a plot summary and skip it.
>>339764614
Yeah I haven't played any new 3ds ones, just a couple roms. All I've heard about is that it's super popular now though.
>>339764760
Eh, I'll emulate both and buy one.
>>339764614
I didn't even know FE existed until 2012 or so. I did play these two before Awakening tho. At least people can't call me a waifufag.
>>339764980
I wouldn't say SUPER popular but, Awakening gave the series a boost. For good or bad is a source of contention in the fanbase.
I love it, it's probably my favorite Fire Emblem alongside Path of Radiance
>>339747112
FF Tactics is trash
>>339738896
Final boss is bullshit on any difficulty, get ready to lose some people if you didnt level any magic users
>>339765187
Ah. Well I'll try this one though, this thread seems to be filled with fond memories of it.
I wish I could afford the Tellius games.
I've played both the GBA games, Awakening, Birthright and am on Conquest. I'm finding Conquest pretty difficult (stuck on Chapter 8, Clasic Hard), how does it compare in difficulty to RD?
>>339767396
Only the beginning of RD is tough, it gets pretty easy partway into the game. Especially when you get Ike.
>>339767396
RD kinda has a bit of rollercoster difficulty due to how the game is set up. The Down's Brigade sometimes has trouble in Part 1 while Ike's crew will curbstomp in Part 3.
>>339767396
RD's difficulty just wildly varies from part to part. Part 1 is a challenge right off the bat because letting anybody die is a lose condition for several chapters, and the map design assumes you have experience from beating PoR. Then things kind of pick up when you start recruiting the prepromotes, but then you move onto Part 2 where your party's different every single chapter where it's sometimes easy, sometimes eh. Then Part 3 happens and Ike's mercenary group just steamrolls everything, and it just keeps shifting from there and it's all dependant on who you can use for the chapter.
If you haven't played PoR, it's recommended you play that one before RD anyways.
>>339767396
basically most parts were you have to play as the Dawn Brigade are hard, when you have the Ike rape squad then it's easy.
>>339767396
Played it on hard without beating the game before. It was quite a challenge to say the least.
>we will never get another FE set in Tellius
>>339768717
Good. Tellius was a well written setting with a mostly solid cast all around. I'd hate to see what the current devs and writers would do with it.
>>339769168
>Mist will never be in another game
>>339769418
She might come back.If you can get lucky enough to pull her in the mobage.
>FE7 came out in 2003
>PoR came out in 2005
>RD came out in 2007
So how many people here actually bought them on release like I did? I've even got 7 in its gba cardboard box (why were these ever a good idea).
I feel old. Have I become some kind of FE grandpa? Will Awakening and Fates fags smother me in my sleep, or will Fire Emblem one day become great again?
>>339734143
I loved it. It's pretty much fanservice for PoR fans.
Loved the music, loved the gameplay. One of my favorites.
>>339770304
I've played PoR and RD before Awakening, then the GBC games. Didn't buy any of them on release.
>>339769168
>there will never be anymore Mist upskirts
>>339737103
>The story/writing is abysmal
Eh it was alright. Though it did feel like filler until Ike and the gang showed up.
>a lot of the units the game forces you to use are awful
I thought that was fine. I wouldn't have used some of those units otherwise.
>It also has way too many 'epic' missions with countless units on both sides so it literally takes minutes for the AI/enemy to finish their turn.
I thought the 'epic' missions were great. It felt like an actual war instead of the usual pic related.
>>339770304
I did.
>>339734143
A combination of bad writing (the whole blood pact was such a stupid plot device) and super weak support system made it difficult to get interested in the characters or in the plot.
Micaiah has the stats of a Mary Sue, but she really wasn't in the least bit overcentralizing to the storyline. But because of the bad writing, a lot of people disliked her and saw her for her stats.
That being said, it had some incredible maps, only have been surpassed by Conquest.
we're getting console Emblem again on the NX, right?
>>339734143
only because of muh animu support convos
>>339770747
>Those low res panties
>Chapter 1's end scene if Titania fell
Titania:
“That’s the end of it. Ike, are you all right?”
Ike:
“Yeah, I’ll be fine.”
Titania:
“I…was lucky. I doubt if I’ll ever be able to fight as well again, but…at least I’m still alive.”
Ike:
“…It’s better than nothing.”
Titania:
“You know, you surprised me. To think that you’ve come so far.”
Ike:
“Look at my father, though. I’ve still got such a long way to go.”
Titania:
“There’s nothing you can do about that. After all, Commander Greil is–“
Ike:
“Huh? What about my father?”
Titania:
“Oh, nothing.”
Ike:
“Nothing”? Now I’m really curious.
Titania:
“Don’t worry. You’ll learn all about it someday.”
Ike:
“…”
Oscar:
“Captain! Ike, I’m going on ahead to take Captain Titania back to the base. Boyd,will the two of you be all right?”
Boyd:
“Yeah, don’t worry about us. Just take care of the captain!”
Oscar:
“Look after my horse!”
Ike:
“I can’t believe it…Captain Titania got beaten.”
Boyd:
“No matter how strong you are, the smallest opening can cost you your life. Did you see that wound? I bet she’ll never be able to fight again. Curse those bandits!”
Ike:
“Titania…”
>>339771571
She has pretty good RES MAG and LCK, but piss - poor everything else. You pretty much can't be considered a good unit in this series with such low SPD
Personality wise, she is no where near as Mary sue as Beef McLargeHuge aka Ike, whose every decision is the correct one and everyone wants to follow him for no real reason. At least Micaiah had some character conflict with the blood pact thing
I am Oliver, champion of beauty!
>>339771571
> That being said, it had some incredible maps, only have been surpassed by Conquest
This. The game had excellent map design. I like how the early Dawn Brigade maps were designed with your small team in mind with plenty of choke points that gradually opened up as you progressed.
Also why doesn't anyone talk about the elevation system? It was a unique mechanic and it made holding the line easier or harder depending on where you were standing. I was dissapointed conquest didn't make use of it.
>>339767640
>>339767646
>>339767720
>>339767790
>>339767940
Thanks for the info.
I am planning on buying PoR first, just heard that RD was very difficult and didn't want to spend money on a game I'd grow disinterested in.
>>339771920
>Chapter 1's end scene if you fucking let Titania, Boyd, and Oscar all die
Titania:
“That’s the end of it. Ike, are you all right?”
Ike:
“Yeah, I’ll be fine.”
Titania:
“I…was lucky. I doubt if I’ll ever be able to fight as well again, but…at least I’m still alive.”
Ike:
“…It’s better than nothing.”
Ike:
“Oscar and Boyd…They’re not coming back…”
Titania:
“…Listen to me, Ike. The life we’ve chosen…It does not forgive even the smallest error. You must never…forget that…”
Ike:
“…”
Titania:
“…We’ve wasted enough time. Let’s get going. Commander Greil, he’ll want to hear about this…”
>>339771920
PoR had some of the best alternate dialogue if you lose a unit or did something specific in a chapter.
It even had different supports for a few characters if you do the conversation at a later chapter.
>>339770304
You're not alone anon
>>339772514
Isn't that basically a softlock?
>>339734143
Two Words. Unit availability.
Dawn Brigade has some good units. Then you come the Crimeans only half of who you'll ever get to use properly ever again. Then Ike's group (ps. these are the units you'll actually want to use) show up, yet you still have to slog through changing povs and splitting everyone up into three teams. Not to mention shit like Vika and Heather/Volke being made reduntant by Sothe being mandatory for the entire fucking game.
FE has always been about choosing your own team, but RD made far too many characters utterly thankless to use.
Or maybe I'm just still mad I can't use my bird waifu in endgame without some serious work.
>>339769168
>>339772754
Maybe, but it's still better than Awakening and Fates that pretend nobody ever died. The reason most retainers retreat instead of die even in Classic is just because there'll be one scene later where they have a couple lines with the royal they serve. And even if they retired, they'll still talk as if they're hot shit serving Corrin and kicking ass in his name.
>>339773146
yeah it's really nice they put in all this extra dialogue. And it's actually meaningful, not just "uguu am i kawaii".
>>339772813
All the Laguz except the kings are shit anyway.
>>339772813
oh wow
fucking Down's Brigade
seriously, the game has artificial difficulty out the ass by forcing you to use absolute garbage units for half the fucking game.
>>339773739
This sums up all the fucking problems Radiant Dawn has. To add further insult, if you somehow do manage to get her to catch up with anyone else's levels, she'll still be shit.
>>339772813
I'll second that, for sure.
Unit availability was PoR's biggest problem and RD made it much, much worse.
>>339772813
It doesn't even give you an excuse to force you to bench half the dudes you've been using.
Going through blind was not a fun time.
>>339773612
Obviously.
But the game gives you something like twenty laguz units so sometimes I like to pretend I'll actually bother to use any of them other than Reyson or Tibarn.
What o hate is that if sothe dies it's game over. He's not even thr main character but mary sue micaiah simply cannot carry on without him and their shitty forced romance
>>339753478
Yup. She ended up being my favorite in PoR. I used her out of curiosity, babied her enough, and ended up being an absolute beast.
>>339763126
I love Mia as well. I always use fem mirmids in FE games (My current favorite is Aira from FE 4, which I'm currently playing too). She ended up 4th in my first RD playtrough
>>339763473
I didn't use forged weapons. I'll do it next time, I'm sure she'll be even more awesone.
>>339771571
>the blood pact
Anyone remember how the supposedly good and righteous micaiah decided to unnecessarily commit a warcrime no one thought she should because she has to really try for the blood pact to not be broken? For duck's sake.
>>339759095
>>339759501
>>339759686
>>339764614
>Got Radiant Dawn for literally 5 dollars from a bin
>Never touched it friends who played FE actually told me it was bad
>Has been on shelve forever and ever
>Thought it was worth 5 bucks
>Find out THIS
Oh fuck nigger mine is MINT
>>339770304
Exact same here, used to be able to look on FE with pride but now I want nothing to do with it. I was a vet Megaman fan too, so I'm used to watching everything I love die horribly.;-;
Why doesn't /v/ like Awakening? Long time FE fan here and I thought it was really solid. Probably one of my favourites in the franchise.
>>339775985
Holy shit, this fanart is really cute. Saved <3
>>339775790
Fellow long time FE fan.
1:Map composition.
Almost every map in Awakening is Flat, lacks choke/other tactical points. So terrain usage and positioning matters little compared to PAIR UP 2 WIN.
2: Victory conditions.
ROUT THE ENEMY ROUT THE ENEMY ROUT THE ENEMY ROUT THE ENEMY. There is near no variety, no "holy fuck hold this crappy shack as you wait for imminent rape"
3: Art style. A more subjective note, I am a huge Medieval nerd at hear so the prior FE games having semi-realistic armour ect was a huge +. In Awakeing you get really stupid shit that makes no logical sense and seems zany just to be different.
4: A lot of gameplay choices felt redundant since infinite grinding and reclassing for abilities >>>>> Tactical choices. In earlier non Sacred stones/Gaiden FE games tactics in weapon usage, terrain, support bonuses ect all mattered a lot more.
That said, I did like the sacred stones/Gaiden type worldmap for replayability, supports being decent, the Eugenics coming back.
>>339775790
It feels like a rather big step backwards for the series. The main feature added was Pair Up, but this just broke the game wide open since there's no risk to using it and is objectively better than not using it. The map design was also poor with little to interact with, only a small handful of maps even had houses to visit, and most of them were paralogues. All objectives being Rout or Boss didn't help any either. World building was especially weak by only focusing on what puts the group in another battle instead of trying to make a world at all. The characters all felt disjointed like they don't particularly belong anywhere, as the supports feel completely disconnected from the rest of the world and any events that happen. Children units were a neat idea handled poorly as they're all Ests who require grinding to be good, but then they're objectively better than the parents once they do catch up. Their supports with dads all being the same madlib fill outs only makes them feel even more disjointed than they already did. Reclassing was a fun idea in theory but resetting to level 1 all the time means the planning ahead aspect for your crew doesn't mean anything anymore, all units can be infinitely grinded to maximum stats.
It was an okay game, it just doesn't live up to the Fire Emblems preceeding it at all.
>>339773612
Volug might as well be a royal with the way that nigga's stats are. Definitely doesn't suck.
Lethe on the other hand does suck, but I like to use her and pretend she's good anyway
>>339776924
Lethe was really good in PoR, it was a shame that she ended up being so useless in RD.
>>339765453
It was literally a shitty version of Fire Emblem, like every other SRPG
>>339777187
Yeah it doesn't make sense that you have to jump through hoops just to be able to use a laguz unit in battle, just to end up with a painfully average unit. The transformation stuff was supposed to balance out the raw power of the laguz units, but it seems like IS forgot that somewhere in development
Reminder that Conquest is the best FE gameplay has been for a long time.
I deserve this for not using an archer.
>>339776743
>>339776796
Supports really need to go back to being limited to certain pairs. The Avatar and Children combos makes so many supports generic.
But who am I kidding? Lets all look forward to the avatar NTRing Pent in the 7 remake!
>>339777519
It is actually quite good. Just a shame about literally everything else.
>>339777735
I use a mage as an antennae until she ran out of bolts, fuck her
>>339777852
well hey, it has good music and cool animations too
and at least some of the characters are decent even by our standards
>>339778074
There are archers that would fuck the mage up though. Also my Lute is slow as fuck so she won't be dodging shit.
>>339777429
Absolutely. I really wanted to use Vika and Lyre in RD... But they make most of the laguz completely useless (except for the royals... And maybe Ranulf and Volug)
>>339759095
oh fuck i should sell mine
>>339740449
What on fucking earth
>>339777519
Some of those maps though.
I mean, it's not on the level of Birthright or Revelation, but they can wear you out.
>>339779498
Eh, the only map I really dislike is the kitsune one. The ninja one can get pretty annoying. Both of those maps can suffer from bad RNG. Everything else is fun.
>>339741334
but I always used the knights, except for one run.
>>339770304
I bought RD at a movie/vidya store closing sale for $15
>>339773739
Fucking Tormod, Muarim, and Vika
>When they first join
Oh good more badasses, just what I needed
>When they next join
What the fuck am I supposed to do with you
>>339780698
>What the fuck am I supposed to do with you
Pretty much. It kills me that they decided to repeat this mistake with some of the units in Revelation.
>>339771920
>that bit of dialogue if the BK dies in an early chapter when he shouldn't
>tfw 7, 8 and 13 are my favorite FE games.
>Can't play 9 or 10 due to pricing and Nintendo not doing rerelease story those games
I swear all they have to do is make a HD collection of the Tellius games and they can recover all the lost sales they didn't get for those games.
I seriously want to play PoR so bad.
>>339772021
>Personality wise, she is no where near as Mary sue as Beef McLargeHuge aka Ike, whose every decision is the correct one and everyone wants to follow him for no real reason. At least Micaiah had some character conflict with the blood pact thing
This is what I was referring when I was talking about stats, I meant character trait wise. You could check off a ton of stuff in a Mary Sue litmus test for Micaiah, but she isn't one in the story, especially compared to Ike.
But a lot of people don't notice this because Ike had a game's worth of character development in FE9 while Micaiah got crap in FE10.
>>339772813
Did anyone ever use Meg or Fiona?
>>339778791
>they didn't even fuck
Why.jpg
>>339781097
I tried to use Meg. I purposefully babied her to get her to lvl 12-15, and she was outputting sub-Myrmidon levels of damage while still taking shit tons and dying quick thanks to her no HP.
Don't even get me started on her Spd growth, the most inconsequential stat for a Kight/General to have.
>>339780972
>HD collection of the Tellius games
It doesn't even need to be HD, just having a physical version of either game that doesn't cost $100+ for just the disc would be nice.
>>339760002
>tfw I still have mine in great condition even though it's used
$100+ CDN? seems good.
>>339781953
Weird ass growths, especially for luck and magic
>>339737997
>That feel when your Leonardo Adept-Crits Ike and kills him to finish the mission early
NUUOOOHHMUHGOD
>>339734948
>Awakening
>good support conversations
>"CHROM, I MADE YOU A PIE. DON'T YOU LIKE MY PIES? DO YOU WANT ANOTHER PIE"
>>339780972
>>339782276
Should've bought it when it came out instead of starting with awakening fags.
Man, the shit you can do with skills in Radiant Dawn was ridiculous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0dYl8f4EOY
>Dat brand new Senri Kita art for FE Cipher
Cipher gives me a bit of hope for some reason.
>>339778491
Sanaki is the best loli
>>339783031
>Dex vs Str
>>339737217
What other SRPGs are there, then? Enlighten me.
>>339751090
If it's so rare, I wonder how my public library was able to get it as a rentable game.
I've never seen PoR anywhere, however.
>>339779676
The kitsune one was so fucking annoying
>one beast killer
>one unit with beastbane who is super-underleveled
>the fucking illusions
Fuck that chapter
>>339777735
Just give people javelins and hand axes, dork.
>>339783469
All praise Senri Kita! I wish she could just be the permanent illustrator for FE from now on.
>>339784543
Not anon, but I recommend Front Mission.
Tactics Ogre is breddy gud too.
>>339781181
They do in my headcanon :^)
>>339786336
Me too. I'd also take Sachiko Wada.
>>339772332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbT6Mr2hM3M
>people actually defending the Fire Emblem equivalent of Gundam Seed Destiny
kek
>>339786746
Come now anon, no game is as bad as SEED Destiny.
>>339786072
I don't have any and the armory doesn't sell them.
>>339771920
>Chapter 23.- the bridge chapter
>Fight Petrine with Soren
>She tells him that she recognizes his mark, and that "they are both the same"
Even the foreshadowing was great in this game.
Does anyone feel like they took several steps backwards with the weapons system in Fates?
>Probably stuck with iron weapons for most of the game since they don't cripple you after use.
>Silver weapons are not even worth using half the time and if anything give the enemy more of an advantage since they'll be using it 1-2 times tops before dying.
>Enemy gets enemy only weapons that you will never ever get to use.
>1-2 ranged weapons nerfed badly, except for the magic ranged weapons which can only be used by units with a not shit magic stat.
>Personal weapons triumph over all, by the endgame you will probably be killing all the enemies with Corn and 2 other Royals.
>>339788465
I think they took the buffs a little too far. Especially with Magic. I also hate how the S-ranks are class locked.
How does RD's story compare to Fates'?
>>339788635
They're both pretty fucking awful.
Fire Emblem is good. I don't dislike any of the games to the point where I won't play them.
Caveat: I have not played any of the mobile ones since Shadow Dragon on the DS.
>>339788635
At the time RD was considered pretty bad, going by what I've seen Fates is now seen as worse.
>>339788635
As bad as RD is, Fates is possibly the worse FE game in terms of story.
>>339788792
>Caveat: I have not played any of the mobile ones since Shadow Dragon on the DS
oh boy...
>>339775449
And guess what.
Storywise Micaiah is STILL a better lord than Corrin that fucking shitter.
>>339788635
RD's story is actually better in comparison to the garbage in Fates.
>>339788635
RD is by leaps and bounds better than the garbage you'll find in any of Fates' three plots.
>>339788635
Fates is literally the worst story in any game I've ever played.
Protagonist is a fucking dumpster fire, side characters suck, literally no lore or world building, fucking most god awful plot twists in the history of writing. Forced conflict between two sides. What else is there to say? Completely irredeemable.
RD has it's fair share of issues, but there are some good moments.
>>339759095
>>339759501
>Tfw I still have my PoR disc
Feels good man. Going to go search around shitty used game shops to get more copies if I can, but damn dude.
>>339789202
>literally no lore or world building,
Honestly this is what I missed the most in Fates. There was a lot more that they could have gone into in the Hoshido/Nohr conflict but nope. Garon was just EVIL and wanted to start a fight. Ashnard's reason for fucking over Crimea as way better and he was fucking insane. Don't get me started on the Anankos bullshit.
>>339770304
>Bought Sacred Stones on release
>Never used Amelia because fuck Amelia
>Only used Ross twice because fuck axe users
>Fliers OP
>Used Seth the entire game
>Fantasized Lute being my gf
Good times. Got Path of Radiance on release too.
>>339789542
>Never used Amelia because fuck Amelia
>>339784971
PoR is a bit less rare.Steal the library copy of rd
I really liked it. I honestly think it's the best classic Fire Emblem game out there. Awakening was a weird case of throwing your army of it-doesn't-matter-what-unit super powered murderers against a horde of similarly but ultimately less powerful it-doesn't-matter-what-unity units. Fates has the option to be really overpowered bullshits like Awakening, but if you play on the harder game on the harder modes it starts out great but then turns into a fucking puzzle. You have to look at every single units abilities because none of them make sense and only some of them have those abilities and now you've got to put some weird character in a weird place because all those ninjas have Lunge and debilitating abilities so your character is going to be gang banged unless you're tricky. Or the whole level is poisoned + medicine pots but for some reason the enemy won't break them on their own. It's full of stupid puzzles, not strategy.
But Radiant Dawn is difficult, and has a weird way of mixing and switching armies so you have to make do with who you have and choose who goes where wisely. It's like an army campaign strategy game, and then when you get down to the actual maps it's back to classic "10 cavaliers here, they move there, watch out for snipers, and this asshole has a bolting" fire emblem strategy.
Plus maybe the best fucking cast of any fire emblem, maybe even better than 7.
My copy of RD crash my wii when i use staves to heal or use vulnerary/elixirs.
Welp, time to find an .iso.
>>339788863
What? Its not like I have to, right? I can just enjoy playing Path of Radiance 15 or 30 times to completion to get all the unlockables, can't I?
So wait, should I sell this? Still got the (giant) manual and everything. Probably never gonna play it again
>>339790046
Turn off Brutal Mode you potato
>>339790108
>Its not like I have to, right?
nope, the exact opposite actually
>>339790158
Probably, you can get a good price even used if it's in good condition.
>>339745705Bahumut Lagoon. Sequel never.
>>339734143
Next to some iffy writing it's probably how the game throws bad units at you early on and super powerful later on. Why the hell waste XP on any Laguz when the Royals shit all over them in every single way?
And the slow animations. Even if you turn them off, the overmap animations still take forever.
>PoR
>UnlockAshnard
>beat the game 15 times
just end me sanpei
>>339764667
I don't consider Tormod and company part of the Dawn Brigade. And yes, Fiona and Meg are useless, but Laura is actaully amazing and has some if the best stat growths, you just have to use the staff an obscene number of times per level. Edward can potentially be your best True blade. Tauronea, Zihark, and Sothe should all be left behind too though.
oh my, why is this and the prequel so expensive?
>>339789806
>But Radiant Dawn is difficult, and has a weird way of mixing and switching armies so you have to make do with who you have and choose who goes where wisely.
That's true for the first 2 parts, but after that everything is a cake walk, even when using Down's brigade later on. Ike's units completely break the game in half. During the Down's brigade chapter the game gives you an ample amount of support units to help the kill count or BK.
