>it's a Reinhardt shielding a Bastion on sentry mode episode
And thats how you break the game. Thanks Blizzard
>>339678549
Just have Pharah jump over. Or have Widow snipe from a distance. Or have Junkrat shoot from a safe location. Or have Genji reflect. Or anything really.
>>339678549
You mean that's how bad players get fucking rekt by a single hanzo or widowmaker
git gud
How does the bastion even see what hes shooting at
>>339678549
Symmetra shuts that shit down hard. Orbs go thru that pussy shield
>What is Junkrat
>What is Symmetra
>>339678549
you do know that in beta bastion had his own reinhardt shield
shut the fuck up and just snipe or deflect his ass
>>339678549
Get used to it. The eventual addition of ranked mode is going to mean suicide for the game.
I only played beta, but I knew even then, that if anyone were to attempt to dissect the meta, it would become a broken and unfun mess.
>>339678679
>press E
>reflect go to shield and reflection isn't long enough to break it
>die
Needs to have to unmorph to reload and heal.
Who would you virgins say is the least broken and/or the least used?
I'd say Winston for least used AMD least broken.
>weak primary weapon
>bubble shield doesn't last long and is easily breakable
>lunge is only good for getting from point A to point B quickly.
>ultra doesn't kill anyone, it just pushes people back and leaves Winston super exposed
I can count with one hand the times I've seen a Winston in any of the games I've played so far.
>It's some edgy 13 year old picking gengi or reaper episode
>>339678679
Pharah would get rekt
>>339678679
Or have reaper teleport behind them and rekt the bastion.
>>339678549
Use Pharah's Shift then E to push Reinhardt away
Use Tracer's Shift, Q and E in quick succession to kill Bastion
Use Hanzo's E to kill Bastion
Usa Hanzo's Q to kill Bastion
Use Junkrat's LMB to shoot over Reinhardt's shield
Use Mei's E to approach then Q to freeze them both
Use D.Va's E to protect yourself then just ram Reinhardt out of the way with Shift
Use Zarya's Shift to fire safely at the shield and E to let an ally do the same
>>339679535
Winston is a pretty top tier character if played right, he's amazing at disruption and displacement, makes it easier for other players to get kills.
>>339679946
>"DEATH COMES"
>Bastion turns around
>Reaper gets turned into swiss cheese
>>339678549
>Needing a Reinhardt to kill shitters
I got a 26 player killstreak yesterday as Bastion just by having good positioning and actually moving around instead of camping one spot until they eventually spam my corner with snipers/rockets.
>play Lucio
>become the Flash and strafe behind him
>push them back, leaving Bastion exposed
>they get rekt
>>339679535
>lunge is only good for getting from point A to point B quickly.
This is how I know you are clueless
>>339678549
Play nice, play Pharah.
>>339680286
'comp' teams run 2 winstons allegedly
>>339680223
>Use Zarya's Shift to fire safely at the shield and E to let an ally do the same
sorry mate, this does not work. Zarya's shield only has 200 health, and while it can withstand single attacks that go above that damage value and keep you safe, bastion has a very high rate of fire, so your shield will go down in less than a second, and while you'll probably do decent damage to him you are not going to survive.
>>339680524
maybe that would work on the console version where everyone can't aim for shit
otherwise Lucio would've been liquefied by Bastion's gun long before he could strafe around the Reinhardt, speed buff or no.
>>339680328
>not doing it while on the heat of battle and while bastion is busy shooting at someone else.
Thinking is hard
>>339679535
played a control the point game earlier. My team consisted of 5 Winstons and me playing as Lucio. They went ham on the zone while I sat in the corner and healed. Pretty fun and easy.
>>339680769
If Bastion has a Reinhardt backing him up, he's going to immeadiately swerve around to deal with a threat trying to come in from behind regardless of if he was already shooting someone else, end of story.
You're also assuming that the Bastion wouldn't be up against a wall where you can't just sneak in from behind. You'll have to go in from the side where you will enter his line of sight.
>>339678549
Just pick Junkrat.
>>339680974
M8, I've done it a million times. That's how bastions in my games never end up controlling the match. Of course no strategy is perfect, there's many ways that doesn't work, but if you're quick and smart you can just teleport somewhere where the bastion doesn't see you and kill him.
>>339678549
>it's a 'low skiller shitter complains about a mechanic or scenario that is so easy to counter that it's irrelevant and nearly never used at anything above entry-level of play' episode
>>339679074
It automatically reloads when he transforms. it's actually faster to transform to recon and back to sentry/turret than it is to reload in turret.
>>339680628
I've ocassionally been able to burst down Bastion as a zarya at max charge unless he gets a decent amount of headshots and avoiding some hits by being close or jumping on him.
Isn't their dps close, if you figure Zarya's putting out 7.5x20 for 150 per second and bastion 4x35 for 140? Assuming he doesn't shred you on headshots after the barrier.
>>339680223
Pharaoh would be wasted by Bastion, and Zarya's shields pop after about a second of Bastion turret fire, after which she dies very quickly to him.
>>339681404
Remember though that a good portion of bastions health is armor. You can get him if he's stupid and can't aim for dick, but if he knows what he's doing and a reinhardt is right next to him? Not a chance.
name a pvp game with skill ceiling so high, that a skilled player can take on 10 noobs and gets them every time without a problem, while having the same game conditions as them
protip: you cant, there isnt so good pvp game
>>339681712
That's a good point, though a right click would be able to shred that armor down a bit quicker. Definitely no way if he has a Reinhardt though.
>>339682070
wow, but thats not how you do a new thread, fuck me
>>339682152
rofl. well yeah, thats one of the problems with this game while im on the subject
the skill cap seems so low and everything is so neutered. it's all in the name of getting scrubs to keep playing and buying loot cases. fucking blizzard
>>339682070
Mobas
>not dashing through the shield as genji and reflecting bastion's bullets at point blank
>not diving through the shield and jumping around like an idiot with winston to create enough damage and chaos for teammates to clean up
>not flying above it with pharah and blasting them with rockets
>not lobbing grenades onto the shield out of sight with junkrat
>not using Indian lady's right click to go through the shield and forcing bastion to repair, giving opportunity to strike
let alone something like blink tracer ult into rewind, or hanzo ult. Get good.
>>339678549
there's a window right above where that bastion is, he would be very easy to kill in that position.
>>339682391
stop lying
show me a vid of someone fighting 10 guys and wining, and not because of luck but just cuz of his skill
>>339682391
the players would have to be absolute beginners to lose a 1v5 in a moba.
>>339682070
gunz the duel
>>339678765
you dont need to see to aim with bastion
>>339678549
maybe if you're below level 10
which you obviously are, you fucking baddie
ALL THIS THEORY DUELING
SHUT UP
ALL OF YOU
RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>339678549
>attacking on Volskaya
>Reinhardt shielding 5 Toblerone's and their turrets in the small room next to the first point
I hope none of you ever suffer from this.
>>339682739
all it would take is 2 junkrats to deal with that
>>339679535
I think Hanzo is the most balanced overall
To be able to get solid kill count you actually have to have some sense of aim and reflex
Just squishy enough but doesnt die in 1 hit
Ult can destroy if places properly, but gives fair warning and gives chance to move.
Doesnt fly around the screen at super sonic speeds, but can run up walls to make up for it.
And so on.
You dont see a lot of nerf/buff hanzo threads.
>>339678549
Hanzo can ult for GG or take a nice chunk out of shield with splitting arrow.
>Pick Mei
>Ult them
>Get two eliminations
>>339682479
>fly up with Pharah
>Bastion looks up and tears you in half
>Rein aims his shield slightly up and you dont even hit once
>>339680974
Oh right I forgot it's one of those /v/ scenarios where Bastion has autoaim and clairvoyance and you don't have a team
>>339683037
>I think Hanzo is the most balanced overall
>To be able to get solid kill count you actually have to have some sense of aim and reflex
>have to have some sense of aim and reflex
>Hanzo
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peHUNnARS54
Use Symmetra, her orb penetrates the shield.
>>339682645
>gunz
>skill
replace that with exploit and you've got a deal
>>339681328
Seriously though, it's difficult to counter if your team has 0 coordination. One person usually has trouble dealing with it themselves when no one else on the team is doing anything to stop it.
>>339678549
the problem is you faggots keep running to take the offensive all by yourself. You deserve to loose.
>>339683396
Considering you're taking shots on moving targets with arrows that have both travel time and drop, I think it's pretty fair.
Blizzard knew what they were doing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpzmc-RsQXM
>>339683320
>shield looks up
>all the shit on the ground can now hit bastion and rein
>they get demolished immediately
perfect!
>>339680286
>he's amazing at disruption and displacement, makes it easier for other players to get kills.
>Play Winston with this as my main objective
>Team doesn't take advantage of it at all
>They bitch at me for not killing all the squishies on the enemy team
I hate playing with PUGs
I don't care about the state on individual class balance, all I fucking want is them to limit it to one of each per team. That would literally solve every balance problem this game has.
>>339685817
there isnt a balance problem though
team stacking is easily countered
>Route 66 Attack
>Playing Reinhardt
>Enemy has a Bastion and Hanzo all the way in the back
>Go around the left and manage to sneak all the way up to their spawn without being seen
>Smack the Hanzo twice and finish him off
>Charge Bastion and pin him from the side while he's shooting my teammates
>The other 4 enemies are fighting my team way far up
>Push the payload by myself
>Get it all the way in and win us the match before the enemy has time to react and try to contest it
That was the best match of my life, I can't believe I actually managed a sneak attack flank as fucking Reinhardt
>>339686020
>enemy team wasnt watching the payload
they deserved it
>>339678549
I had a game on Kings Row where the enemy team was 2 Bastion, 2 Reinhardt, 2 Mercy.
They each sat and shield/healed a Bastion.
>>339678679
>Just have Pharah jump over.
Dead before she even reaches the half way point of her jump
>Or have Widow snipe from a distance
Through the shield?
>Or have Junkrat shoot from a safe location.
If he can fire at the Bastions, the Bastions can fire at him.
>Or have Genji reflect
Reflect the bullets back to the shield?
>>339682479
>pharah flies up to get a potshot on the bastion
>gets shitfucked because she's piss-easy to hit in midair
>>339686241
>>If he can fire at the Bastions, the Bastions can fire at him.
But his whole thing is that he can stand behind a wall and arc his shots to bounce off a wall without exposing himself
>>339683396
projectile vs hitscan
>>339686241
>If he can fire at the Bastions, the Bastions can fire at him.
you are retarded
>>339686303
>>339686350
Entirely map dependent if there is any wall to lob, his grenades have a 12.5 meter range without bounce and arc 45 degrees, and the grenades are just going to hit Reinhardt's shield anyway.
90% of Junkrats kills will always be peak and poke fire, which is just going to see his health bar melted after the second peak.
>>339678549
>Half a dozen places Junkrat can safely toss grenades over the shield.
Reinhardt + Bastion is kinda easymode but shit, man.
>>339686241
junkrats grenades have an arc and they bounce
>>339686460
>90% of Junkrats kills will always be peak and poke fire
you just suck as junkrat
>>339686514
>No argument
Yeah sure thing bud, every map is Gears of War and has chest high walls evbery 6 feet to toss grenades over.
>games been out a week
>people here still have problems dealing with bastion
seriously /v/, i thought you were better than this
>>339686495
Bounce directly into Reinhardts shield in the case of this thread.
If Reinhardt angles his shield 45 degrees it covers from the ground, to the air above his head. You can't lobbing shit onto Bastion in this case.
>>339678549
Arc a couple grenades over Reinhardt, watch him freak out and drop the shield, watch as any DPS on your team shred Basturret and make Reinhardt look dumb. For added giggles drop a bear trap before Reinhardt charges you in a rage.
>>339686579
I have problems dealing with Bastion because my retarded teammates refuse to change their character to deal with him while I'm stuck playing support.
>>339686487
>Half a dozen places Junkrat can safely toss grenades over the shield.
Reinhardt can cover from directly above his head to his feet if he looks slightly upward. Put this Bastion against a wall (Like he is in the OP, which is what this fucking thread is about) and Junkrat is never hitting him.
>>339686557
it kind of does
learn the maps more and stop being shit. I find constant ways to bounce, arc, etc. the grenades and fuck people.
>>339686620
yeah it might bounce in to his shield but if you keep firing at his shield it will go down.
>>339686636
>Arc a couple grenades over Reinhardt
So his can move his mouse 1cm up and completely stop you?
Starting to think you Shitrat players have never actually played Reinhardt.
>>339678549
Concentrated fire still makes short work of the shield also what are flanking heroes.
Still I can feel your pain, when the enemy team stomps you with this because your team is reaterded as always
This thread is how you know there are shitters in Overwatch. This was never an issue in the beta because it's easy as hell to deal with.
>that feel when lvl 50+ and barely anyone plays bastion anymore because he's so easily counterable
>the only people that do are excellent shots in his assault mode and constantly move around the map to ambush people.
But glad to know shitters still dying to the bastion sitting in one spot strategy.
>>339686801
>This was never an issue in the beta
Nice history rewrite. The entire open beta was nothing but whining threads from here to the official forums about Bastion being OP.
>>339686714
Junkrat's grenades destroy Rein's shield very fast though
If you find a good place to lob them at and properly cover your flanks you can break Rein's shield pretty easily and force them to move, which is practically as good as killing them
>>339686857
>>that feel when lvl 50+ and barely anyone plays bastion anymore because he's so easily counterable
>tfw you think Matchmaking is level based
>>339686857
>tfw you bully an enemy Bastion so hard he switches to someone more useful
>play match
>go 20-0
>Mercy with 15% healing on losing team gets 11 votes
Am I in the fucking twilight zone? Why are the people that play Overwatch such cucks?
I did this exact thing earlier today and while it worked great for a long time, I still got killed (I was Reinhardt) to Reaper's ult. We tried it in another game and it didn't work at all because of a junkrat and 2 winstons.
>Enemy team has a Winston
Thanks for the free ults, m8
>>339686951
Most of the people I play against are still near my level
>>339678549
As a guy who has over 40 hours playing Reinhardt, you are beyond retarded.
The only reason that strat works is because of morons like you. Just have widowmaker and mcree sit in the back and fan the hammer/snipe the shield down and once the shield is down snipe it with widowmaker.
Or alternatively have a lucio+reinahrdt and have the team follow closely behind reinahrdt and right before you turn the corner with bastion have lucio speed boost and you can all run past him so easily
>Roadhog can hook Bastion out of his turret form
>Winston can't budge him an inch with his ult
I've seen this beat with two or three tracers charging in from the sides. Hell one can do it if they have a pulse bomb up or can crit his backside. You only need to disrupt Bastion long enough until he transforms to deal with you or Rienhardt turns around to swing if you can't kill outright. Junk rat is the next obvious choice and potentially Reaper. The only place where this combo feels incredibly bullshit are on those moving platforms in Route 66 or the Ice map with the big robots in the background.
The only real nerf Bastion needs is a loud reloading animation in turret mode so you know when he's vulnerable and can poke out of cover and when he's simply not firing.
>itt: shitters on /v/ think reinhardt's shield has infinite hp
>>339687270
I like to take a more direct approach and have the Lucio speed boost me with E so I can run in with my shield up and get close enough to pin the Bastion and remove the problem altogether
>>339687291
>OP lays out specific situation with a Bastion being shielded
>I know, I'll post a webm of a Bastion unshielded!
Average intelligence of a Widowmaker player.
>>339687395
Id do that as well if my dps wernt retards who die the moment my shield drops.
>>339687291
>Both don't even fire a single shot at you
I wish I was as bad as you so I could be ranked alongside these people.
>>339687291
nice poison mine lol
>>339686020
Had something similar happen in Dorado. The payload was at the first right turn, leading through the gate while my team and the enemy were at the entry to our spawn. I just walked up on the left and sat on the payload.
The enemy team didn't even react until I had already reached the first check-point.
>Not listening to Lucio's sick beats while you play.
https://soundcloud.com/playoverwatch
>>339682070
Also academy
>>339687291
>Tracer sitting on the spawn
>doesn't even attempt to flank and disrupt you after the first shots
They deserved it.
>>339687475
The one behind the payload couldn't shoot back, and the one in front was paying attention to other people
Because of Bastion's enormous hitbox, it's entirely possible to position yourself in a way that you can shoot him and he can't shoot you back
>>339687728
>The one behind the payload couldn't shoot back
Yes he can, you can see the barrel of his gun.
>>339687291
>wow widow looks easy
>try to do the same
>every enemy is moving like flies and they see me 2 seconds after I aim at something, there is a reaper already behind me and a hanzo already aiming arrows at me.
why do I suck so much with widow.
>>339687670
Why is there melting metal parts in the gaps?
>>339681328
wtf the Reinahrdt is a shitter if he keeps dieing but the guy complaining about him charging is also retarded.
People being spoiled by Reinhardt's shield think that because they have a Reinhardt they no longer have to play the game and dodge shots and can just safely shoot behind his shield.
Reinhardts who only act as shield batteries for their team are doing it wrong.
>>339682070
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgUEHGryOK4
>>339678679
>just have Pharah jump over
she would have to have mercy buff to stand a chance. Though she could bounce rein away and then her team could kill bastion. Too bad none of that will ever happen in a pub.
>>339686241
Guaranteed 1 month from now in at least above average mmr matches this strategy will be non-existent because of how easy it is to counter. The Pharah, Widow, Genji counters are all shutdown when you're fighting 1 vs. 2, yes. When it's 6-on-6 with good targeting Bastion goes down incredibly quick in every situation, including this one
>>339687776
You can see the barrel of his gun because Widow had her ult on
>>339683037
> have to have some sense of aim and reflex
Literally every time I've been killed by one, its because I've walked into an arrow that he's just spamming aimlessly into the middle of a brawl, or a dragon has suddenly appeared next to me through a wall and only Tracer or Genji could get out of the way in time.
Even if bastion holds you back using the shield/buff thing it usually ends up hurting them in the end. It always ends with all three people dead at once and the attacking team pissed off and riding their new momentum while bastion and crew runs back from the base.
The problem with this strat is not that it's impossible to counter, it's that it's ridiculously easy to execute while it requires a lot more to properly counter it
>>339678549
have you tried flanking and killing the rienhardt? or charging symms energy ball and shooting straight through his shield? or using hanzo to snipe and eventually use his ultimate to clean up them both or using junkrats grenades straight over reinhardts shield? or perhaps counter bastion select which kills the reinhardt almost instantly? or pick pharrah and fly up above them or go zarya with her grenades.
but you're right that tactic is totally broken with no solutions to it and thats why every defending team is always bastions and reinhardts
>>339683529
no it isnt if you know the counter strats
>>339687839
its your positioning by the sounds of things, stay nimble and dont be in front of your team
>>339687843
>mfw getting potg and 30 kills 37 eliminations as Rein
Aah, feels good to have swinging hammer
>>339688506
but it really doesnt. when people do this to me on spawn i switch to tracer and zip straight past them and go for the objective. if they camp the objective i do any of these i've listed here >>339688584
>>339688993
>tfw someone complains that Rein is broken because they just cannot stop rushing in alone and running into your hammer
>>339688993
fucking how, who is dumb enough to run at a reinhardt and not be able to kill him. i honestly love fighting rienhardt 1v1 because he is so big and slow i charge at him get behind his shield then i kill him while he is blocking all the incoming fire
I just wanna heal people and be told "Good job" if I earned it.
>>339688031
true, even now in the new mlg scene for this game you never see bastions
>>339689124
How are you fighting him 1v1 if he's distracted by your teammates' fire and shielding instead of attacking you while you have free reign because his teammates are absent
>>339689058
Lol my best friend keeps saying Rein is broken and his hammer needs a nerf
>>339689124
I had a competent team of buddies to give me cover fire while I rekt the enemies.
>>339687291
Man your aim is pretty good, I'm jelly. I played widow all beta and this was the best thing I did. Gave up and tried pharah, now my aim is even worse on widow since I don't have to line anything up.
>lol as if you guys would die to bastion xddd
>meanwhile you keep getting killed by Torb turrets
I get it, he's stationary.
But his range and damage output is too high.
I'd rather they just give him more to do, his recon form is basically useless. It's silly for him to be GoodTorbTurret
>>339688993
>tfw my personal best is 43 eliminations as Reinhardt.
potg every 1-2 games
Feelds good.
Well wait till you start playing against nolife tracers
they are gona make you shove that hammer and minigun right up your ass
>>339689124
If hes blocking inc fire from your team its not 1v1 mate.
>>339681401
i will be testing this later
>>339689291
Someday, I'll have a field day with my Rein and I'll get 50 eliminations
>>339682479
>not diving through the shield and jumping around like an idiot with winston to create enough damage and chaos for teammates to clean up
this, you jump in as winston and insta drop your shield the bastion will panic and swivle trying to find you and the reinhardt will have to decide if he wants the winston to kill him or anyone else
>>339678679
this to be honest fampai
>>339689460
>That moment when the entire enemy team lines up in straight line and you earthshatter+flamming hammer killing them all and getting a teamkill.
>>339689370
good point but i have experience fighting rienhardts and most the time i beta them unless they have their ulti. but then again i dont 1v1 a reinhardt unless im playing a counter character like tracer or bastion
You see the problem with what you're suggesting, right >>339678549?
Bastion can't SEE anything through Reinhardt's fat ass, and thus is unable to kill anyone.
A 33% loss in FoV is pretty big sacrifice for a turret'ed Bastion.
>>339686790
Starting to think you have ever fought a reinhardt, either. if he lifts it enough to stop a junkrat nade, theres enough to shoot under the shield
>>339689604
Tracers and bastions arnt really a threat to a good Reinahrdt player.
Mcree and high health shotgunners are the main issue.
Unless i initiate with a charge pin on a Roadhog, the roadhog will win every 1v1 vs Reinhardt.
Reaper will win 1v1 if I miss 1 of my hammer swings or he initiates first.
And Mcree just Mcree's you.
>>339689281
I don't think there's anything principally wrong with Bastion's playstyle. He does a LITTLE too much damage, but honestly a few percent down and you've got him made.
He should be a slightly better Tor-turret because Tor gets to roam and kill while the turret does work passively.
Bastion gambles his life on that turret position he picked being a good one.
>>339689591
I've done this before too.
>mfw enemy team is in a narrow hallway on Volskaya 2nd point
>fire strike 2 dead and smack 2
>earth shatter 2 low hp enemies dead
>charge and bounce the rest 2 off the map
>live because you clipped a wall
Best play of my life
>>339689489
It'll fail more often than not though if the Bastion isn't retarded and doesn't shit himself, considering that Bastion breaks Winston's shield in 1 second and kills Winston himself in 1 second as well, while Winston's gun takes at least 5 seconds to kill Bastion
Good luck juking around him for 5 full seconds without taking one second of shots from him, if you succeed it just means you fought an exceptionally shitty opponent
>>339689825
A Bastion player with 1-2 seconds to spare can take that shield from 2000 to almost broken. And once that shield's gone that's 90% of Reinhardts functionality right there.
>>339682554
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=poiSk_tQST8
>>339689825
Or Mei will win in most 1v1s if Rein can't align a charge
>>339689825
bastion can take down reindhardts quick, to beat a bastion you have to sneak up on him or get close enough that you can pin him before you die. a good bastion will not let that happen, and a good tracer is too quick for bastion and puts out way to much damage up close
If a charging Reinhardt gets hooked by a Roadhog, does it cancel the charge or does it cancel the hook?
>>339689907
Yeah but why the fuck would I be charging head on into a bastion?
I can just flank+charge pin.
>>339689986
Good question. I just know that Whole Hog can stop Rein's charge
>>339689986
The charge is cancelled
It's fucking annoying when you're about to pin a Roadhog and he just hooks you out 1 inch from his face and stuns you
>>339689986
Cancels the charge.
Trust me. The pain is real.
>>339690073
>>339690054
Thats why I try to bait out a hook so it's on CD
>>339689989
You'd be surprised how few Reinhardts flank.
And that's not even a bad thing. IMO a Reinhardt should stick to his team unless a very specific situation occurs.
Killing things with a big hammer is fun, but you're ultimately here to help OTHERS do the damage.
>>339690138
Yeah it's easy to do usually since shield blocks the hook
The worst is when you don't see Roadhog and he hooks you from behind as you pin someone else
>>339689897
>1 second to kill winston
prove it, i want a webm of a bastion killing a winston neither playing serious just a straight test for damage. unless you are getting head shots you are not dropping 500 health + about 75 shield in 1 second also implying he leaped over you like he would and has placed down a bubble shield.
remember for bastion to win that he has to find and then keep on target while winston only has to use one ability after the other and keeping turning to the side bastion's back is facing.
trust me mate i have done this strat with mates and it fails 90% now because so many people just know how it works and how to destroy it and it only takes 1 out of the 6 potential good players to know how to do this
>>339689943
Really because I'm 62 hours in with 40 hours as Reinhardt.
And I have yet to find a bastion I cant beat.
And the only Tracer I have ever had trouble with was fucking Greggo from Cloud9.
>>339689986
ryans charge gets canceled because metal hook and chain beats rocket powered mech suit
>>339690253
The numbers are up on the wiki if you want to look it up, Winston's gun does 60 damage per second while turret Bastion's does 450, and Winston's shield can block up to 500 damage
Bastion pretty much hard counters Winston, it's incredibly hard to zap Bastion unless he's very distracted, even if you ult Winston's slaps do like no damage while Bastion will melt through his 1000 HP in just over 2 seconds
>>339690337
62 hours in and you still dont know your characters weaknesses
oh boy this is gonna be like talking to a brick wall
>>339690253
>unless you're getting head shots
That's a big head that's incredibly easy to hit.
That being said, a turret'ed Bastion does 450 dps if every shot hits the body.
Only a very small amount of those need to hit the head for that to kill Winston in a second.
>>339678689
>git gud
there is literally no skill involved in overwatch
its the most casual shooter on the market
the only character that takes skill to play good is pharah, and even then only so much involved
the bad players in overwatch are just actually retarded if they cant figure out overwatch
>>339690249
>mfw getting hooked through the inch of space between my shield and the wall
Fucking annoying
>>339690346
Australian fishers are devastating. They pull up sharks and shit.
>>339690415
>It's a weakness because I say it is
get gud shitter
>Illios
>enemy team has the Mercy, Reinhardt, and Bastion combo going on
>really pissing me off
>still manage to tie it 1-1
>final round
>realize Hanzo's ult would fuck them up
>apologize to team in advance if we lose
>pick Hanzo
>do ok
>see them set up in the corner under the walkway
>tell them to ryu ga watei go fuck themselves
>triple kill
>win game
Felt so good
>playing lucio on lijaing
>bastion on the ledge overlooking the point in the tower interior segment of the map, firing down into my dumbass team
>sneak up on him
>attempt to sound blast him off into the crowd
>lolno you can't use sound blast on turret bastion because fuck you that's why
>I just succeed in getting his attention instead
nice
>>339690690
So, they were shitters? Because to die to Hanzo's ult you have to be a shitter.
>>339690747
I make it a thing to switch to widow if the enemy team has a camping bastion and switch to Winston if they have too many genjis, hanzos and widows
>>339690416
>implying you can find him instantly after he jumps over your head
>implying winstons head is especially easy to hit
>implying winston is a retard who wont try to be as difficult as fuck to kill
>implying this winston isnt trying to kill you and can kill you in 4 seconds with a weapon that has a large spread so he practically cant miss up close
>implying it also wouldn't take bastion 4 seconds to kill winston as per his actual dps
>implying in those 4 seconds bastion is landing ever bullet on target
ok mate sounds like you have a implication for everything
>>339678549
>play Junkrat
>lob explosives over/through shield
>>339690747
Yeah, him being attached to the floor is pretty shit. He can even jump and transform in mid air but getting pushed around is a no no? Fuck you blizzard. Concussion grenades would mean a lot more if you can knock robots and turrets off their damn perch.
Flank them.
Destroy Reinhardt's shield.
Splash damage behind the shield.
There are ults in the game that would deal with this combo.
Just git gud, tbqh.
Why is Pharah so squishy anyway
>>339678765
It depends on if the Reinhardt is conscientious enough to stand to the forward right of wherever the bastion is aiming.
>>339691146
this sums up the entire thread.
theree is a reason this strat isnt dominating and in every game, because it has obvious weaknesses and really isnt that good
>>339690836
>Be Bastion in turret mode feeling safe
>And then some Dragons come flying through the wall at you
At worst it displaces their little get together and provides an excellent opportunity to pick somebody off.
>play diva
> jump in with matrix and a charge
>pop as many rounds i can to get through armor
>he pops me out of my mech
>hop around up and over him while popping off the peashooter point blank
>either he's dead or close enough to need to retreat (hopefully backup has arrived to finish him off)
It works more than it hasn't so far. At the very least, he's not shooting the rest of my team for like 10 seconds.
Feels good having to figure out a d.va play style, turns out holding down the peashooter button is way stronger than constantly clicking it.
>>339690976
Is the sheer implication force of your post so powerful that you are implying Winston's pathetic DPS can break Bastion's 300 health before his turret can fire for one second?
>>339680543
It kinda is. I don't think I've ever got a kill from lunging ever.
>>339691407
>Feels good having to figure out a d.va play style
Suicide while being a minor inconvenience?
>>339691159
So he has an excuse tovisit Mercy as often as possible.
>>339691448
i checked the real dps. it takes bastion 5 to 6 seconds to kill a winston full health and thats best case scenario, more likely winston will be behind you for at least 2 seconds before you get to properly react to the onslaught or strafing and bubble sheilding and dmg coming your way.
reminder this is all one character, not including the rest of the team that could potentially be working together
>>339691146
Having to rely on an ult to take out a bastion is kinda shit though. More so when they decide to pick 2 or even 3 along with a Swedish dwarf man.
I will say that junk rat jumping into his face and laying down a concussion and a trap for both/either bastion and robo Don Quixote tends to be my go to. I imagine it's not the best but it sure as shit puts a smile on my face.
>>339691159
Because she is supposed to have more mobility to make up for it.
But she's a giant target in the air ripe for anyone to take her out. She also can't 2 shot anyone with 250 health.
>its a "someone instantly picks hanzo and doesnt even reconsider his choice when he sees the rest of the team comp or if hes not doing well" episode
im really just going to start quitting when this happens
>>339690976
You seem to fail to understand the math here so I'll try to lay it out as simply as I can
Winston's gun does at most 60 damage per second
Bastion has 300 HP, and some of this is armor, so it will take roughly 5.5 seconds of Winston's gun to kill a Bastion from full HP
Bastion's turret does 450 damage per second if every shot is a body shot, this number assumes he never hits your head once
Winston's bubble can take 500 points of damage before breaking, meaning Bastion has to shoot it for about 1.1 seconds
Winston has 500 HP as well and none of this is armor or shields so it takes about 1.1 seconds for Bastion to kill him from full if every shot is a body shot
Winston has one of the largest and easiest to hit models in the game
No matter how good you are at jumping around, unless the Bastion has cerebral palsy it is highly unlikely that he will be unable to get a cumulative total of 1.1 seconds of fire into your body, not even assuming headshots, before you stand near him for a full 5.5 seconds, because again you have an enormous model, and turret Bastion has no penalty to aiming speed so he can turn around to face you as fast as the player can move his mouse
Bastion is the hardest counter to Winston and it's nearly impossible for Winston to kill Bastion unless the Bastion is completely distracted
>>339678549
>I play rein most of the time because I like him
>it's an attack stage
>some dude picks bastion
>asks me to shield him
>sure, why not
>he can't hit a box right in front of his face
>my shield is destroyed and he dies from normal fire from the enemies, not even another bastion
>i change to bastion
>plop down and murder them all in like 15 seconds
>switch back
>ignore his ass for the rest of the game
>he stays bastion and does fuckall
I don't get how someone can be so bad at aiming.
>>339691747
Her mobility does make up for it. Being in the sky fucks over a good portion of the cast who either can't reach that high or are shit at hitting things that high. It's a comp thing
>>339686460
>90% of Junkrats kills will always be peak and poke fire
yes because most people are moving around and you have to look to see where they are to hit them
Bastion is not moving around, he is sitting completely still, and so once you know where he is you can just lob grenades at him from behind cover. He will either have to move, which will give your team a chance to kill him while he's repositioning, or he'll die to your indirect fire.
>>339691625
What is this "real DPS" you keep referring to?
We're talking best-case scenario here. The Anon way above me argued that Bastion could take down Winston in 1 second. And he can. That CAN happen.
If a Bastion gets one second to empty turret-born rounds into Winston's head, Winston will not survive. That is just how that is. Best case scenario.
On average, you are correct, Bastion MAY not be able to land a full second of consecutive hits to the head of a Winston, because he'll be jumping around and moving further away and dashing around and team-mates will be there etc etc etc.
Though I argue that he still IS a hard counter to Winston because Bastion can still kill Winston faster than Winston can kill Bastion. And honestly, in this scenario, that's kinda' all that matters.
>Winston kills you because he has the cognitive ability to hold down M1
How the fuck is this going to be a competitive game?
>>339678846
But she doesn't shoot them fast enough and Bastion can heal the damage back. Plus she exposed herself so she take a ton of damage which sure she can heal but then the Bastion does too, worse if there a Mercy behind him
>>339691809
>banned for leaving too many games
Thank fuck. Comp whores like you usually shit up the game more than the retarded Hanzos
>>339691520
Well it's way more than minor if I'm capable of landing the killing blow within a shot or two. I don't always die doing that either, I'm just taking the damage that was meant for a mercy or a zenyata, it's kinda sloppy but it fills the tank role just enough to work. Charging in and doing damage while finishing off with the peashooter works really well for d.va, you don't go for large groups if you can help it, but having them turn their back to the rest of my team is really damn good. It doesn't sound like much but holy shit man, it works.
>>339691809
that guy plays for fun
>>339691159
because she can fucking fly
why is zenyatta so squishy and fucking slow as balls with no mobility ability. give him a fucking jetpack.
>>339689939
If he can't align the charge or she just pops her self freeze when he charges.
>>339692005
8 characters have hitscan, Roadhog can hook her out of the air, the two snipers can double body shot her for a kill, and McCree swats her out of the sky not to mention if she touches the ground near him she's fucked.
>>339691967
>450 dmg a second
where are you pulling these numbers from. i wont read this knowing everything you've said is based on made up numbers
>>339686008
I think it would be good to limit it, but not because of balance
So that we can't have those idiots who think "Yeah we already have a widowmaker, but you know what we need? Another widowmaker!"
>>339692176
you know what's fun? winning. not being a burden to 5 other people.
>another /v/ is bad at videogames thread
lol
>>339692143
>Winston
>killing anybody
Lol'ed.
>>339692143
winston has like 50 dps
it's seriously completely pathetic and for the squishiest possible class he has to shoot you for 3 seconds straight in order to kill you
to defeat winston, shoot him in the face during the extremely long time he spends killing you
I don't mind Bastion as much because he's still reliant on the actual player. So you can actually sneak up on him. Torb's turret is stupid though because there's no sneaking up on it and it never misses
>>339686801
I'm don't necessarily agree with OP, but man are you retarded (the retard pepe pic fits), what >>339686880
said is right.
>>339692251
The wiki
>>339692303
fun is not taking a video game seriously and just messing around with your mates
>>339692223
You seriously including tracer in this?
>>339692339
I just wish it had a warning and a bit of a delay like the engineer's turret in tf2
It's not difficult to kill a torb, but he's fucking annoying to fight against
>>339692275
>if I can't have fun then NO ONE CAN
get fucked. Let the retards be retards and choose who they want.
>>339678549
>It's someone not changing characters cause muh dps episode
You're the reason I lose games
>>339692319
I'm watching steel play and he's killing people (mostly widowmakers and mercys)
But how can anything like this be considered "competitive"? It's hilarious.
>>339692143
Winston killed you because you're either an idiot, didn't stick close to your team or playing Zentyatta.
>>339692251
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiJQrmZs4PE&t=1m16s
>>339692398
What kind of chronic homogay reads wikis?
Just admit that you're wrong and Bastion is OP
>>339692414
She's one of the harder targets for her to hit as well. In medium to short range Tracer generally has the advantage.
>>339692143
Let me guess, your favorite character is Genji or Widowmaker? Because Winston dies easily to anyone who has any health at all.
>>339692251
Not him, but I looked it up.
It does 35 RPS at 4 - 15 damage per shot.
So that averages to about 315 DPS (with the average damage being 9 per shot)
>>339691967
You forgot to account for winstons reloads. Winston can do at most 300 dmg with his fully reloaded gun. So he will need to reload at least once to kill bastion. That is an additional 1.5 seconds to how long he has to be in melee range of bastion.
>>339692339
>that feeling when it can target you from waaaaaaaaay the fuck over there.
Kinda missing tf2 because of that shit, at least those sentries has a slower turn for behind and won't shoot you if you're too damn far.
>>339678549
i was pretty surprised to find out how good 76 can be against a bastion
>It's a Reinhardt pinning another Reinhardt instead of shielding match
>>339692398
the wiki is saying 14 dmg a round for headshots, there you go implying the bastion has aimbot again
As someone who does play winston a good bit, the only character I feel confident in 1v1ing and getting out alive is pharah
This might be a dumb question but here goes:
What the hell is going on on in Overwatch?
Like, what is the reason we fight?
I get that Overwatch was some organization made long ago, and it was abandoned and stuff, but what exactly is the lore-based reason we're escorting some hover-car like thing around [CountryHere]?
How does what we do effect anything in this universe?
Are we resolving conflicts?
>>339692547
>It's a "Mercy has a pathetic amount of porn compared to Tracer, Widow, D.Va, and Mei" episode
>>339692339
>>339692514
Yeah, way more annoying than a bastion on defense because it literally just points you out to enemies instantly with a ridiculous line of sight, and does solid damage still
It needs an actual delay between acquiring a target and shooting it.
>>339692547
>It's a Mercy doesn't know how to damage-boost episode
Also known as every episode.
>>339678765
He doesn't need to
>>339692587
>pop down a bubble last second
>she shoots at the same time
>it blows up in her face, killing her
Kinda feels mean sometimes, she's got to deal with a lot already.
>>339678549
>Im too retarded to try a counter other than running straight at it
>>339692435
That is all winston is good for. Killing squishies. Altough a good widowmaker does stand a chance against him.
Reinhardt is the cancer of this game (and winston to a lesser degree). It's so fucking meta to hide everyone behind the shield, so much wasted potential. Game would be a lot more fun without these two.
>hurr shitter spotted
just think for a second, take out the two easiest characters that create these fucking stupid deathballs that aren't fun in any type of game, specially FPS, and you're left with a better (and less balanced but this can be worked on) game.
>>339692460
first you need to link a specific time frame because im not watching 7 minutes of horse shit.
if bastion had that kind of dps why are no pros using him ever?
>>339692708
Tracer can beat him if she does it right
>>339686620
Good thing the shield is not invulnerable
>>339692547
>attacking
>our Reinhardt has a shield wall up and we're advancing the payload
>firing from behind the shield
>enemy reinhardt appears
>our reinhardt drops the shield and immediately charges him
>connects and they both go flying off a cliff and die
>our team gets gunned down by the enemy team because we needed our Reinhardt to not die and they were all set up defensively and didn't need theirs
I'm not even mad though, playing Reinhardt like that is really fun
Always Be Charging
>>339692640
it truly is a shame
look at her. she has just the right amount of thickness.
>>339692673
>People complain I'm not damage-boosting enough
>when I'm busy healing everyone up from low-critical health status all the time
Healers. The most unappreciated yet the most needed.
>>339692547
You're not a Reinhardt, you just don't understand.
It's like animal instinct. Like two bucks clashing horns while a wolf pack kills their families.
>>339692739
Interesting enough, I DID link to a specific time. If you pressed play, you'd know that.
>>339692739
>if bastion had that kind of dps why are no pros using him ever?
Because there are too many Winston players that just auto kill Bastions
>>339692729
>WAHH SHIELD
Shoot at it, idiot. It goes down fairly fast with everyone focusing it.
>>339692601
in gribaltr you're delivering the probe winston uses to re-commission overwatch
in kang's row you're delivering an emp bomb to be used to nuke a whole bunch of omnics
no idea about the other maps
>>339692729
have you considered shooting the shield until it breaks
