Thoughts?
http://www.pcgamer.com/it-sounds-like-overwatchs-mccree-is-going-to-get-nerfed/?utm_content=buffer0d06d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamer
>Press E
>Win any 1v1 fight
This character is not needed.
>>339589541
make roll reload only 3 bullets, problem solved. He will still drop most of the cast with one combo but not tanks.
And D.Va buff.
>>339589687
apparently they are making dvas strafing while shooting better, similar to winston.
Whoa there.
*throws flashbang*
*fans*
*rolls*
*fans*
It's high noon.
TEAM KILL
*tips emote*
>>339589759
Source? I've only seen it not being a damage increase.
>>339589687
IMO D.VA needs sideboost. She's supposed to be a mobile tank, but beign able to boost only forward when Matrix covers only the area before you is underwhelming.
My thoughts are: "Awesome, now I have to work less against Mccree as Hanzo. Based bad windowmaker."
>>339589862
>In a separate thread, Goodman hinted that changes could be coming to D.Va as well. In response to a question about her relatively low damage output, he said she and Winston were both designed that way, because “they are both very mobile and very hard to kill. Every character in the game has strengths and weaknesses, it's part of what makes the teamplay work well.” He allowed that there are probably ways she could be improved, “but these are unlikely to take the shape of increasing her damage output significantly.”
Looks like McCree will leave Overwatch for Suicidewatch.
>>339589909
I think that works. It's a very good shield, and the boost is very versatile as well. Improving any of those seems illogical. My guess is that they're going to reduce the critbox.
>>339589965
That doesn't say anything about D.Va getting better strafing while shooting? Just that they were designed to have low damage.
I think halving the damage of fan shots might do the trick. That way, pocket sand > fan > roll > fan could still get a kill if you land all of it, and it eliminates the stun > fan instant kill.
how the fuck is this news worthy?
>>339590314
same question here.
The current Overwatch shilling is fucking insane.
>D.Va is hard to kill
LOL
Fuck OFF with that nonsense, her mech melts in seconds, sometimes the very second you get a new one it's already blowing up.
>>339589687
>>339589759
>>339589909
OP here
I don't think it's a buff, I believe it's a nerf since she can dash to a squishy hero and straight just 4 shot headshot that squishy.
>>339589660
I think a best way to deal with this nerf is to have his right click into an ability (separate cooldown) or decrease the range of his flashbang plus his right click accuracy.
>>339590579
>That said, I do think the is some room for some D.Va improvements
>improvements
>Not a buff
>>339590579
>I don't think it's a buff
Read the article you posted, maybe?
>>339590639
OP here
What could be improved?
>>339590706
I scimmed it, mostly wanted to see the Mcree stuff.
>McCree nerfed
BUT WHAT ABOUT HANZO AND GENJI? They are literally more broken than Mcree. And Widowmaker too. These champs need to be gutted to oblivion. Tired of seeing them every game one-shotting me. "Muh skill", of spamming m1 button.
>do anything
>WOAH THERE
>die
>repeat until you pick Genji or Zarya
>>339590769
>OP here
>What could be improved?
Critbox, movement, damage (though that's doubtful), HP, cooldowns. A lot could be improved really.
>>339590314
this is the first balancing after launch. Of course it's worth.
More worthy than all these threads about waifus, anyway.
>>339590786
Widow needs some adjusting, Hanzi and Genjo are fine, git gud
>>339590786
OP here
Hanzo and Genji aren't broken at all, Hanzo does big damage, but is more worth from a long range and can get fucked up close ranged. Genji is just good for his ult and dash cooldowns. I just don't see how they are broken.
>>339590821
True. I just say to slow down all tanks at least 20% slower, them just seem to good to have good speed maybe. Just my opinion though.
>skirmisher
>good at 1v1
Were you not expecting this?
>>339591025
>True. I just say to slow down all tanks at least 20% slower, them just seem to good to have good speed maybe. Just my opinion though.
Your opinion is shit.
>>339589615
but anon we need him to counter Tracer :^)
>>339590786
>Genji
>Broken
You fucking w0t? He's one of the most balanced heroes in the game.
>>339591025
>OP here
>>339590769
>OP here
>>339590579
>OP here
>>339591378
I just feel like that I have to do it.
>>339591523
You don't, at least not if the OP is just a fucking newspost without your opinion anyway.
>D.Va can shoot while Defense Matrix is up
>D.Va's huge crit box reduced significantly
>D.Va can just dump the mech and go zero suit to begin with so she can actually be a threat
Pick any
>Tfw I wanted to play as the cool cowboy since he was revelead
>Shitters who don't understand his role or how to deal with him complain he's broken
>Figure I'll ignore it and have fun with muh cowboy character anyways
>Can't have any discussion about tactics or experiences because if I let slip that I play McCree as my primary offense it becomes "LOL E+M2 SCRUB LOOKING FOR EASY KILLS"
And they'll only stop once he's nerfed to worthlessness.
Suffering.
>>339591696
Then get her suit mech back in seconds.
>>339591114
Tracer is countered by skill.
>>339590424
i know this is absolutely disgusting that people insist on talking about newly released video games
>>339589687
What would you think about her being able to do the flying dash thing and using her bullet absorber at the same time?
>>339591802
>Shitters who don't understand his role or how to deal with him complain he's broken
Yeah that's clearly why he's got over 100% pickrate in tournaments with teams stacking up to 3 of him at any given point in a match, it's not because he's broken it's because the other team who also picked 3 of him don't understand his role or how to deal with him.
>>339591696
The second one is all she needs. having such a glaring weak spot ruins the point of her being a tank.
>>339592095
You can do that right now? It's the best way to get to Bastions and Snipers.
>>339589541
AMERICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
FUCK
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
EAT SHIT MCSHIT
>>339592095
she already can
At non-competitive play, McCree is fine.
In competitive play, McCree needs a nerf, all they need to do is make his left-click less acurrate or do less damage.
>>339589541
Good, Mcree is blatantly overpowered and I'm honetsly surprised that he wasn't changed for release.
>7 hours with dva
>4 hours with pharah
I can explain
>>339592120
>Bringing up competitive pickrates
The go-to argument of people who also don't understand that the setup is the meta, not the character, and that if he gets knocked off something else will fill his space in no time. I promise.
>>339591802
>muh role
Mcree shitters in a nutshell.
Why can't these faggots just adapt? Better question, why do developers give into these faggots instead of just telling them to deal with it?
I'm glad I didn't buy this game. So sick of this shit.
>>339591696
Shooting with matrix up would be really great against bastions
>>339589812
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhqxu7ePeKY
>>339590786
>the Widow is op meme
Git gud or go play lol, you fucking scrub.
I'm going to laugh if they nerf McCree's E or right-click, thereby making him useless in pubs, while people who are still good with McCree will wreck everyone with his left-click, the thing that SHOULD be nerfed.
>>339592762
We doing this now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsHJ3TN8ryk
>>339592598
All McCree brings is raw damage. He's good in 1v1, amazing at flanking and ambushes, annnddd that's it.
All the other characters bring so much more. If you nerf him without making him unplayable, it has to be a very small tradeoff of a nerf.
>>339592696
wanna know why they listen? because most of the people who complain are tournament players, and these developers get lots of money from tournaments.
it's all about money. but yeah, fuck overwatch.
>>339590786
>Champs
Get back to your crib.
>>339592696
>>339592953
I sure hope this is ironic posting, /v/ can't be this dumb just yet.
>>339592557
You...Like having fun?
>>339592696
>adapt to a character being overpowered
are you mentally handicapped?
>>339593015
>dumbass calling other people dumb
epic
remove this baguette deep throating, wine sipping, spider fucking, cum slut, there's no fucking skill required and she forces the entire enemy team to change strategy, the game would be more fun without her, her only quality is her ass
>>339593048yes
>>339593053
He's not overpowered. Overwatch is a team game. If you're having trouble dealing with another player, work with your team.
You cancerous tumor.
>>339593073
>pick Winston or Genji
>WM is no longer a problem
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
>>339593073
Increase the charge time on her rifle, remove wallhack and give her another ultimate. Or alternatively make the wallhack so fucking loud that there's no way to miss it, like high noon etc
>20 eleminations
>18 fan the hammer kills
every mccree shitter
>>339589541
>McCree nerf and D.va buff
Finally. Now we need a Widow nerf and Zen buff.
>>339593145
I see you're just memeing
>>339593213
>change the ultimate
ha ha it's way too late
>>339593213
just give enemy team a hud warning
>>339593286
You have no argument.
>>339593194
A good Widowmaker is always a huge problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIEY9-mPn4
>>339593213
Also why does she have 200 health? shouldn't she be among the weakest characters, I'd lower her to 150 so she's on par with Tracer and Zen
>>339592571
>game where you're supposed to counterpick classes
>one class has no counters so people can fill half their team with it and be fine
>this is fine and balanced and there's nothing wrong with a game where 20 classes plays with rock, paper, or scissors and the 21st guy plays with an assault rifle.
>>339592916
>All McCree brings is raw damage.
And being one of the 3 characters with a non ult stun, and an auto aim long range ult for wombo combos.
>All the other characters bring so much more. If you nerf him without making him unplayable, it has to be a very small tradeoff of a nerf.
Name some examples of "brining more" than having the higest burst and being able to shut down nearly all ultimates.
>>339589541
Mei nerf when?
>They're actually considering nerfing mcREEEEEEE
>Meanwhile Soldier76 keeps his aimbot untouched.
>>339593145
Mcree can solo most everyone in the game. How is that not overpowered in the context of a team game?
>>339593447
Should say 4 heroes if you count Reinhardt, though that's significantly harder to hit than the others.
>>339593259
>tfw more left click kills when i play mcreeee than high noon or fan kills
Feels good to not crutch desu, it pisses me off when I lose a 1v1 to an enemy mccree who couldn't hit me if his life depended on it and he e + rmbs me though.
>>339593458
git gud faget
>>339593527
Every hero can solo the other team if the player is good enough, you moron.
>>339593489
Except you can actually counter soldier 76, unlike flashbang-fan the skill-
>>339593073
I think she needs more incentive to get headshots and not spam bodyshots like a FUCKING CUNT.
>>339593317
There's nothing that will change your mind. I could link tournament evidence on him being ran in literally every situation, often times multiple by same team
I could reason and what not about how he can solo any hero in the game and there is not a single situation where he isn't good
You'll just stick to your bullshit about "hurrr muh team game" as if team games couldn't have overpowered characters
you're retarded, in short
>>339593489
76's ult is fine and has multiple counters, it also doesn't even do that much damage.
>>339593351
Literally pick Winston or Genji.
>>339593573
Autistic Mei homolord detected.
>>339593593
Olympian-tier mental gymnastics.
>>339593351
>good player is always a huge problem
Whoa...
Skill nerf when?
>>339593489
>I'VE GOT YOU IN MY SIGHTS
>hide behind cover for 10 seconds
WOOOOOW
I agree with geoff. The problem isn't the stun and kill, the problem is that he is roasting tanks as well.
There is a problem when that you can pick Reinhardt and then still be just as worried as if you are playing reaper.
>>339593636
>I could link tournament evidence
lol, like I care what those losers think.
You will always be a cancerous tumor. I didn't buy this game so I don't care what happens to it. I just think it's sad that this trend of developers giving into retards is still a thing.
>>339591114
>Tracer isn't countered by literally anyone except widowmaker
>>339593584
This picture should be re-edited with Mei. Bastion is piss easy to counter or ignore with almost any hero, he's only an issue for new players who don't understand how things work.
>>339593447
Mobility
Healing
Range
Ice walls, teleports, hooks and turrets and ironclad defenses and armor dispensers and every fucking thing else imaginable to amp up a team and win the game. McCree has really great burst and high damage but that's it, rooty tooty point n shooty with nothing else on his utility belt. Take it away from him and he's dogshit, period, not disputable.
And I'm not even a McCree that flashes and fans the whole game. I do it when someone gets too close for comfort like a moron, but a lot of the time I'm engaging people with primary fire at midrange and sometimes even long range and guess what? Even then it's hard for McCree to keep up with his rate of fire and low ammo count compared to practically everybody fucking else.
Complaining about McCree is shitter status.
>>339593790
so you really are literally mentally handicapped
kys
>>339593769
6 second cooldown on fan the hammer when?
>>339593673
I do. Doesn't matter if she's being supported by her team. Also she can one shot Genji and a good Widow is never going to shoot a reflect.
Did you even watch the video? There was a Winston there, getting two shot, you know.
Her best counter is a better Widow.
mccree cant be "fixed" until they release a support with some sort of cc to deal with tracers and genjis.
>>339593857
Stay mad, kid. lolol
I wouldn't mind D.Va being able to use her destroyed mech as a shield again, but realistically they'll probably just make it easier for her to build ult meter and leave everything else alone.
>>339593073
what is wrong with her spine
>>339593762
That's not what I said you meme spouting autist. A good "Widowmaker". Meaning that she is better than other characters.
>>339593884
Bei can fuck with genjis and tracers all day, the problem is that mccree is so good that nobody runs mei because he counters her.
>>339590565
Really depends on how much the enemy team is using pellet spread damage or not
>>339593762
>IT'S HIGH NOOON!
>Hide behind cover for 3 seconds
>Know there's an enemy mccree in enemy team
>Don't be a dumbass and cut through corners like a retard
WOOOOOOOW
I don't understand people. If they know the enemy team has a widowmaker, they won't run around hallways like mentally handicapped people. But when there's a mccree involved, everyone shits the bed and prefers to whine than be more careful in tight spots.
>>339591947
Tracer is countered by Poo in Loo and the Swedish Dwarf
>>339593945
>she is better than other characters
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAVE YOU EVEN PLAYED THE GAME, NIGGER?
>>339593884
symmetra :^)
>>339593918
It's built for tender loving.
>>339594039
Have you? I can't hear you down there in shitter mmrville. Good widows literally carry their teams and average/bad widows are infuriating to play against still because bodyshots do so much damage and head hitboxes are so big.
>>339593964
>implying anyone ever bitched about high noon
Easiest ult to counter desu famicom.
>>339594079
with a name like "Widowmaker" i rather keep clear
>>339592908
fucking kek
Until pharah's blast radius gets increased I will always be annoyed.
That and the tickrate. The tickrate is disgustingly low.
>>339594094
>t.I main Widow and I carry my team
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
STOP WASTING TEAM SLOTS, NIGGER
>>339593856
>I do it when someone gets too close
That's like every map. You never have to play in medium or long range encounters.
>>339594221
Literally nowhere in my post did I say that
>>339594057
Ssshhh don't tell anyone about her or more people will actually use her and the nerf brigade will start bitching about her teleporters.
>>339594039
Mathematically her damage per second is greater than most of the champions. She can sit behind an entire team and most of the maps are constructed with chokepoints in mind. It's so painfully obvious that the designers wanted choked fights.
They should create a map editor or some shit.
>>339594198
yeah, the server tickrate is atrocious
>>339594039
HAHAHAHAHHAAHA
YES I FUCKING HAVE SHIT FOR BRAINS.
She can deal 300 damage every fucking second from any range. It's one of the highest DPS' in the game. That's one shotting most of the heroes in the game. Her ultimate is also way too useful.
Feel free to share a video similar to the one I posted of a different hero doing as well as that. I'll be waiting.
She's also one of the most commonly used heroes in competitive, aside from KOTH maps which function very differently. http://www.planetoverwatch.org/11-overwatch-hero-meta-report-the-grand-beta-review/
>>339593856
>nothing else on his utility belt.
except a fucking aoe stun on a low cd, and you can't seem to grasp how retardedly powerful utility that is in this game.
>>339594247
That's just false. There are a lot of close-quarters spaces and backways but a lot of open-area skirmishes take place too, and payload maps are wide open.
>>339594314
>She can deal 300 damage every fucking second from any range.
Thanks for confirming you don't know shit.
What's up with all the shitposting, don't you have Stillborn to play?
bei needs buffs, she needs to be able to skate around on her ice and punching frozen people should wreckshit.
>>339594262
niceme.me
>>339594410
I'm not sure you know the meaning of wide open.
>>339594360
They should change it to a root instead of a stun and they should change Roadhog's hook to allow you to continue shooting whilst being pulled.
>>339594416
>Full charge takes 1 second
>It deals 150 damage
>Headshots deal double damage
???
Maybe you should try playing the game instead of shitposting here, anon.
>>339593489
76 has the worst ult in the game.
>hanzo hits his target
>one hit kill
>pharah lands a rocket
>1/3 of their health
I hope Pharah gets buffed she's fun to play but you have to rely on landing 3 rockets or pushing people off ledges.
>>339594410
Only Numbani is somewhat open but it's not your job to stay at the payload anyway is it?
>>339594429
kill yourself
My suggestion for McCree nerf
Lower his base damage
Add a new passive
Whenever McCree Lands a bullet he gains x% more damage and can stack up to 10 times. Stacks fall off if McCree misses a bullet (or if that's too harsh then make it fall off if he hasn't been in combat for 5 seconds
This way his initial fan the hammer will deal little damage and will ramp up if he combos. Gives players a chance of counter play by either blocking or dodging McCree's shots so he doesn't rack up the passive.
At max stacks he will do as much damage as he does now
Thoughts?
>>339594564
yeah pharah seems pretty bad unless she has a mercy surgically attached to her and even then she gets shot down so easily by widow/76/mccree
>>339594564
Hanzo seems pretty shit though. His arrows might have the power of RNG but he has no real counter when you get in his face.
>>339592908
Kek
>>339594410
All the fighting is by definition objective, it's why having a hero whoose role according to you fags it being unbeatable in close quarters is retarded, contrast other close quarters heroes like Reaper.
widowmaker is more OP than mcree
mcree has never really been a problem for me. you just have to keep your distance
the flashbang has a really short range
>>339594484
They should change his "flashbang" into an actual FLASH grenade. Make the screen white but let me move
>>339594750
>he has no real counter when you get in his face.
Scatter Arrow on floor.
>>339594741
too complicated for overwatch. just throw a cooldown on the thing and call it good.
>>339594307
20 tick is sad for Blizzard though.
>>339594731
thought about it, but i rather see at least ice skating for bei.
>>339589541
>Not even a patch but some rumor or post about an upcoming patch
Why is this even newsworthy to them (and it's not the first time I see this, they do this for shit like LoL patches too)
>>339593373
Agreed. Considering her safe positions she should be dead if flanked.
>>339593073
>remove this baguette deep throating, wine sipping, spider fucking, cum slut
>her only quality is her ass
Please tell me you're touching your oiled up body while hopping on your anally inserted dildo in your widowmaker cosplay when you write this shit because then you would only be a degenerate and not a degenerate and a fucking idiot for insulting a bunch of pixels as if it were human on a mongolian advertising board
IT'S
>>339595085
JUST
>>339595085
BEEN
>>339593701
autistic reaper that can't press shift to run away 2 meters
>>339595145
ONE WEEK SINCE YOU LOOKED AT ME
![the-barenaked-ladies-song-one-week-holds-a-dark-t-2-25587-1427864714-2_dblbig[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ByhgbC9.jpg "the-barenaked-ladies-song-one-week-holds-a-dark-t-2-25587-1427864714-2_dblbig[1].jpg")
>>339595378
COCKED YOUR HEAD TO THE SIDE AND SAID, "I'M ANGRY."
>>339593489
Widowmaker is the character most in need of a nerf. Soldier 76 is fine, his ult isn't very good.
>first balance patch
>no Mei nerfs
As a Mei main, I'm pissed
>>339593557
But that's the class. I played Counter-Strike well for years and couldn't aim for shit. The reason I beat out players was because I would listen for footsteps and use the knowledge of their location and environment to get the upper hand. That's the way I play games. Use strategy. Not to become a human aimbot. Aim for McCree is great for long range but Widowmaker will outperform him and that range everytime. His true power comes from close range skirmishes that require very little aiming.
>>339595523
Widowmaker is good as she is, the main issue is the 20 tickrate that enables any shitter to hit their targets even if the reticule is a bit off.
>>339594564
>pharah
>gets buffed
wow sure is fun playing against a hero who only has to aim at approximately where you are and do redonkulous damage by just splashing
>>339589541
They really want to nerf one of the worst characters in the game?
>slow as fuck
>no escape
>has to get close to do anything
Meanwhile Reaper
>one shots squishes and two shots tanks
>has an escape
>a far better ultimate
>is faster
Not even talking about Tracer or Soldier 76 here.
The only reason Mc Cree is even played is because of Lucio.
>>339595787
>i have no idea what im talking about
>>339595892
pharah's splash doesn't do shit, and they still have to hit nearly a direct to do any because the splash radius is so tiny
>>339596019
>reaper
>far better ultimate
>no CC
>useless outside of point blank
>can't solo roadhog in 1.5 seconds
>>339596024
Ok, why do yo think widowmaker is too strong then? What would you change to balance her?
>>339596027
This
>>339596174
i dont, meant the part about tickrate
>>339596027
Plus her weapon obviously isn't hitscan so you actually have to lead your shots.
>>339596174
Nerf bodyshot damage, buff headshot damage, replace near 100% uptime wallhacks for your WHOLE TEAM that can barely be heard over gunfire with something that isn't massively broken
>>339596372
And even if you do perfectly and get a hit you still do less damage than a widowmaker bodyshot.
>>339595892
>Getting killed by splash damage from Pharah's rocket
Literally how? It does almost nothing.
FUCKING GOOD
>>339595892
>dat pic
>>339596646
top kek
t. mccree main that wants e + rmb nerfed
>>339596119
>Hog McCree
>shoot him
>he is dead
Wasn't so hard. Reaper on the other hand survives the hook and kills him just as fast.
>people actually have trouble with mcree
its like riki from dota all over again
>>339596439
>Deepbehind enemy lines as Genji or D.va so I can fuck up their backline heroes
>Hear Widowmaker speaking her stupid fucking frog language
FUCK
>>339596828
>t. mcree main
i dont see how a hero that can 1v1 anyone in the game is balanced, do enlighten me
>>339594564
Are you so shit at the game you can't even land direct hits, which do decent damage and can kill Bastion in 2 or 3 hits?
Go back to TF2 cunt.
>>339596842
Ye this game doesn't reward stealth play
>>339596819
Just as fast? No. When a reaper fights him, he has time to heal. When a McCree fights him, he e rmb shift rmb's and he's dead. Also, if the McCree is stupid enough to run at a roadhog and get hooked out of flashbang range instead of flanking him or peppering him with shots out of hook range, he deserves to die.
>>339596907
>1vs1 anyone
>can't 1vs1 Zarya
>can only 1vs1 obvious retards who walk close to him
Do you also charge into Bastion and complain about, that he fucking rekt your shit?
>>339589965
D.Va's damage is fine, yeah it's low but it's supposed to be. Her problem is her shit survivability which is hilarious considering he said
>“they are both very mobile and very hard to kill"
D.Va is not hard to kill, blizzard made her mech's headshot hitbox take up half the character model and it put smack center in the middle so pretty much any shot landed on her that's not from the back will count as a headshot so she melts in seconds. This is the core problem of D.Va and if they could diminish that headshot problem she would become a really great character.
I really hope the nerfs to McCree aren't too bad though, cause he's really not even close to as OP as people pretend he is. The only thing that's out of line for McCree is the aoe radius of his flashbang, it's too big and needs to be much smaller so he needs to be a lot more precise with throwing it. That's really it. People complaining about fan the hammer and his dodge roll are so fucking retarded it's hilarious. If a McCree is unloading a fan the hammer on you then rolling and doing it again and you're not stunned then that's more than likely a problem with you, not him. The exception being of course if you're playing a tank, because then that's what he is supposed to be doing to melt you because that's the whole fucking point of him as a character, to melt tanks and counter squishy assassins. Fan the hammer has really random and bad aim if used at any range that isn't very close up, so if you're not a huge tank and he's just rolling at you to double fan with no stun and you're not just shooting him in the face first, that's on you.
>>339596907
ever play team fortress in which scout would win every 1v1, also mcree doesn't win every 1v1 your just shit and cant handle any other strategy than stay in the same room with the mcree and charge into him
>>339597135
He can 1v1 zarya just fine. His revolver easily outdamages her without full charge and I have yet to see a single Zarya that doesn't just panic bubble as soon as she sees a McCree, hoping that I'll try to flash her. Always an easy kill, especially since she has no armor and her bubble is on such a long cd.
getting close to McRee in a 1v1 is like walking into Bastion's Line of Sight, of course retards are gonna complain.
>>339597267
Engineer fucks scout, demo is good at zoning scouts if he has the range advantage, soldier vs scout is 50/50 unless someone has high ground, heavy beats scout if he has the range advantage, sniper and good ambassador spies can fuck scouts
>>339597135
He can destroy a zarya unless he's retarded though, her shield is short as shit and he has enough burst to break it and still kill her if he wants.
>Just don't walk close to him!
>in maps which generally have a shortage of wide open spaces
>and literally every game mode is focused around an area barely twice his flashbang's range
>and he's still an absolute monster at medium range
>>339597462
lmao this is how I can tell you never played tf2 lobbies or competitive
>>339597519
nice goalpost moving faggot
I don't understand how you can stun reinhardt by throwing flash bang "over" shield. Isn't this a bug?
>>339597319
Except "getting close" is a completely necessary part of playing the game. And he has more mobility than a large amount of the cast, he can close with you better than you can disengage in most instances.
>>339597560
The fact that you said spy counters scout is laughable. Its actually the other way around! Which is why spy is seldom used in serious games because of scouts everywhere!
>>339597598
I'm pretty sure it's a feature, the flashbang is aoe and if you throw it over the top of his shield it still goes off and stuns the people under it. You can also throw it at the ground or behind a genji when he's reflecting and it still stuns them too iirc.
>>339597598
Not any more than shooting a rein from behind is.
>>339597680
I didn't say spy counters scout, I said a good sniper or a good ambassador spy CAN shut down scouts.
>>339597462
>Scout runs around engie and kills him
>evades all demos grandes thorugh jumping and straving
>kills soldier becuase rockets have travel time
>sniper never beats scout ever
>Using walls and lots of movement minigun cant stay on you
>spies never beat scout ever
you really must have been bad at tf2 or never learnt to play scout. This proves you hate mcree because you are too stupid to beat him
>>339597680
>Which is why spy is seldom used in serious games because of scouts everywhere!
Actually it's because deception is inherently less effective against coordinated and communicating teams, but good job anon.
>>339597763
>good ambassador spy CAN shut down terrible scouts.
fixed that for you. Your whole tf2 knowledge is a joke actually.
>>339597319
>>339597135
mcree strength scales off at range sure, but unlike reaper who gets completely useless really quickly, a mcree still hurts pretty bad at medium range
combine that with the best 1v1 capabilities in the fucking game and you have a slightly OP hero
>so just stay away from him
oh yeah, he also has a low CD roll for enemies trying to maintain distance
and dont compare him to fucking bastion, bastion has to remain stationary AND has a windup timerbefore he can shoot
>my face when playing solo
what was I thinking?
>>339597651
McCree has no mobility, are you dumb? What mobility does he have at all? The only thing he has is roll which doesn't actually do anything, you realize that right? It just reloads his gun and nothing else. It doesn't actually cover much distance, it's the same as if he was just running normally, it has no invincibility frames or anything, it doesn't even change his hitboxes, you can still just shoot him as if he was standing while he is mid roll and it'll hit. It literally does nothing except just reload his gun instantly.
>>339597783
Literally all of those rely entirely on the enemy being assretarded.
Who the fuck is actually unable to track a scout with the fucking minigun? Even pubs aren't that bad, you're delusional.
>>339597815
No, scout is literally goodpyro in that he serves as amazing spychecker. Just ran around shooting people and spy checking with your amazing mobility and spy is dead in no time.
>>339597598
flashbang doesn't require you to be looking at it, which is stupid
>>339597246
Flash or fan, something needs to give.
Combine flash and roll into the same ability so that it breaks the flash-fan-roll-fan combo and forces him to be vulnerable for the first fan or only get one fan from the flash.
Fuck, I dunno. He's too goddamn strong. He's absolutely a priority target when I'm on widow because he'll destroy the rest of my team if left unchecked and nothing else seems to counter him.
>>339597875
>he has no mobility except his low CD mobility which also reloads his gun
ok retard
>>339597783
UGC plastic player detected
>>339597982
Oh fuck off, i just explained how his roll has no mobility at all. Nice reading comprehension faggot.
>>339597875
>It's the same as if he was just running normally
You're literally retarded.
Go test it, it's massively faster.
>>339597267
>scout would win every 1v1
Only against soldier and demo. Scout into pyro is even, usually a kill trade unless scout runs pistol, even then pyro can walk away before scout dumps 2 clips into him. Heavy into scout is the only hard counter in all of tf2, outside of arguably engineer into scout. Sniper is a skill match-up with advantage sniper. Spy loses but has the tools to dodge the match-up.
>>339597506
He's also reasonably strong at long range if someone's decent at actually aiming the m1. Yes, it is actually possible to fire one round at a time on McCree.
>>339597875
you don't need that much mobility when you just beat anyone who comes close to you every 10 seconds and have insane long ranged damage on anyone trying to hit you in the first place.
>>339591802
lol e+m2 scrub looking for easy kills
>>339597914
>valid points are retarded because i say so
A scout getting killed by anything 1v1 is because they are 'assretarded' prove me wrong
>>339590052
Top post senpai
>>339589660
>>339589687
what if matrix charged your ult when shot at?
>>339598135
Hence the "still an absolute monster at medium range". That is referring to how good his M1 is, and how he's better than anybody else but soldier 76 at that range.
Unfortunately he's not great at long ranges at all because of the damage falloff, though.
>>339598095
I've tested it many times myself, it's not massively faster at all, at best it moves him a couple more steps forward. It's certainly no tracer blink or genji slash, those are actual mobility moves.
>>339598139
>insane long ranged damage
He has damage fall off, nice try.
>>339591696
Honestly, I don't even play Dva that much, and I'd be ok with her not having a headshot hitbox while in mech.
She's way too vulnerable to everything she's supposed to be strong against as it currently stands.
>>339598394
He still does plenty of damage at mid range and longer with headshots. You can shoot Pharahs out of the sky halfway across the map before she can even shoot one person
>>339597925
Your team is awful then. At MAX, he's going to get one person and the rest of the team melts his ass - unless you're all really spread out, in which case see my previous point of you're all bad. You could also just grab Reaper, run at him and preemptively shift, laugh as his flashbang goes by, then kill him. However you do it, there's no reason for him to be a priority target when healers and other snipers are alive.
>>339598191
>Valid points
>The enemy heavy is going to be so fucking incapable of aiming with a mouse that he cannot keep a vague track of a scout double jumping around
Did you play console TF2 or something? The fact that you think "sniper never beats scout ever" makes me think you've never actually played a PC shooter before.
>>339598095
It's not even close to "massively faster". It covers a very small amount of distance, has a long CD, and if he uses it for mobility, he can't use it for reload. If you're complaining about this, please kill yourself, because you are too big of an idiot to be allowed to exist on this planet.
>>339589541
they should give his fan the hammer a cooldown.
>>339598458
Fuck you, buddy. I'm still mad about that one time a McCree shot me out of the air the INSTANT I popped over a wall.
>>339598463
>He's fine because your team can focus him down
>by this logic, he is not a priority target
Do you have a learning disability, by any chance?
>>339598728
>1 guy can make his day a living hell
>this is somehow your whole team focus firing him
>>339598191
>lives in fantasyland where engineers don't have sentries or teams protecting them, soldiers don't have shotguns, soldiers and demos don't have splash damage, snipers and spies can't headshot people ever, and heavies can't track people
>LOL SCOUT CAN BEAT EVERYONE 1V1 TRUST ME
Military grade autism
>>339598463
I didn't mean priority over lucio/mercy/lolzenyata or countersniping, but if I have a choice between McCree or any other target, I'll take the McCree every time.
Also, I don't know what kind of shitter McCrees you're playing with that let a reaper counter them.
>>339598590
>"I've never played against a competant McCree" - The Post
Anyone halfway decent will use it to punish your ass hard from huge ranges. Roll + Flashbang have insane reach combined. He doesn't need the reload when attacking the vast majority of heroes.
>>339598798
>reaper
>making McCree's day a living hell
>>339598920
>still trying to argue with garbage can mmr players who've never seen a good mccree before
>>339589541
>Hear HIGH NOON
>Get in cover
>Get killed anyway
>Kill cam shows me not in cover as he fires
20 tick rate was a fucking mistake. This shit happens every single game.
>>339598590
it's risky to use the roll for mobility but it can pay off
>>339598249
her ult is almost worthless.
>>339599051
it would still be a nice buff though
>>339599001
>be reaper
>watch mcree
>wait for him to roll
>go in and destroy him during the CD and he cant reload mid fight
You kids are so fucking terrible.
>check the Overwatch forums to see if they're already bitching about Widow
>sure enough, they are
>posts that encourage reducing her bodyshot damage, buffing her headshot damage, and/or reducing her rate of fire get downvoted
>posts that amount to "git gud lol" get upvoted
Why is McCree being nerfed, again?
>>339589541
>tfw McCree and widow will get nerfed eventually
What will people cry about next?
>>339596828
if you ever win a 1v1against him it's because the person playing him sucks. NOBODY counters him in a game fucking full of hard counters. the closest thing i can think of is roadhog who can just do the same thing he does at a longer range
zayra you can maybe pull off if he flashes immediately like a dipshit, otherwise no way in hell
I think FTH has a very real need to get nerfed in some manner.
When your team is unwilling to assert skill, or confirmation of a lack thereof, you are forced to carry people on your back, but when you cannot functionally do this ( Being counter picked, not knowing the viable pick, Being unable to assert enough skill ) you're effectively fucked. There's literally no reason to play the game out, because you have all the info you need right there.
If you need to get close, following your skillset, to handle a mcree, he excels there, and you are very likely to lose unless you plan before hand
If you attempt to handle from a range and you're sniped, you have not enough skill to counter pick, and you lose.
If, through sheer willpower, you cannot win the game, you lose.
That makes the game shit to play solo and, yea, yea fuck you, whatever.
>get friends
Playing literally any game with a friend is fun, that's a shit argument and you know it. It should be balanced first, and then fun will come as a byproduct.
>all this talk of nerfing
>no one brings up the turret with instant lock-on and 250 DPS
all I want is a fucking vision cone, blizzard
>>339599132
mccree can easily out dps reaper even without the roll, are you playing on console or something?
>>339599132
>mccree needs to reload mid fight against a reaper
he only has to hit 4 out of 6 shots on you, which is usually what people are going to hit, plus just because his roll is gone doesn't mean his flashbang is, which is going to guarantee the four shots hit.
>>339599132
Let me tell you how the story goes when the McCree isn't bad.
>be McCree
>see reaper
>shoot him in the face
>wait for him the panic wraith, follow him
>flashbang when he's out
>ded
>Mcree getting nerfed
Fucking finally
>>339599243
pick any sniper
pick phara
shoot at it with mcree
use mei's alt fire
pick junkrat
if you're not dedicating anything to countering it you deserve to get shit on by it
>>339599132
>McCree
>staying engaged while out of ammo and roll is on cool down
>He can just reload while you slowly walk up to him , because you need to be licking his balls to actually do any damage, and he can back peddle at the same speed you move forward
>he then presses M2 and you die
Seriously, what fucking garbage McCrees are you fighting?
Even somebody who thinks he's not OP would be able to see that he is absolutely a counter to Reaper, as he trumps him up close by far.
>>339599181
>Why is McCree being nerfed, again?
His intended niche is to stop highly mobile flankers (Tracer/Genji) and kill them before they can get away. He can do this which is fine, but he can also go out and do the same to pretty much every other class including high HP tanks. The devs have stated they don't want him able to do that so are looking at Fan the Hammer to try to rectify it without compromising his intended purpose.
McCree needs nerfs to his dmg.
Widow needs nerfs to her crazy charge rate and pinpoint accuracy while flying.
Lucio needs some nerfs but anything would put him well below decent tier. His kit can't be reliably nerfed without making him worthless.
Mercy needs a major nerf to her ult charge rate OR make her ult have a 2 people revive cap or someshit.
Monkey Trouble needs a bit less dmg and a bit more shield.
>>339599181
>hard counters a fucking huge portion of the cast
>isn't hard countered by anybody, soft countered by zayra
>>339599394
This, he's supposed to be a mid-range fighter with his Fan as a panic button, rather than his primary method of combat
