>Destiny comes out, lacking in several aspects of the PvE, PvP and balance departments. In general making it a bad value proposition
>critics and players have a field day hating on it
>Star Wars Battlefront comes out, lacking any kind of meaningful singleplayer, depth and in general just very little content for a full-priced title
>critics and players have a field day hating on it
>Overwatch comes out
>has exactly the same problems as these two games (in fact it has even less content than SW:Battlefront in terms of maps, gametypes and singleplayer availability)
>gets a pass by critics and players
How come Overwatch isn't judged by the same standards? It's not a F2P game yet people treat it as such.
>>339588014
>>339588014
All of those games sold like crazy so it hardly matters.
Blizzard is just another Bioware. Critics will forever fellate their games whether deserving or not.
>There's only eight Overwatch threads better make a new one
Why do you insist on ruining this board?
I don't fucking know, I asked my friend when Overwatch came out...he's a fucking blizzdrone who got triggered
>>339588014
Because it's Blizzard, anon. Stockholm Syndrome.
Mix of waifu circle jerking and it's direct competition's failure.
>>339588014
Because it'sfun
>>339588314
But Star Wars Battlefront provides exactly the same kind of fun (mindless shoot em up with no flavour for a few hours until you get bored) yet it was hated for it.
>>339588014
Can't say anything about destiny since I've never played it, but battlefront bored me within minutes. Overwatch at least has a bunch of classes that play differently allowing you to mix up the gameplay.
Having only 2 game modes at release is pretty bullshit though.
>>339588395
Have you played both games? Battlefront is horrible, dumbed down, console-friendly and pretty much dead by now. People hated it because it's fucking Battlefront, it was expected to be as good as Battlefront 2, which is legendary.
Also, content locked behind paywall on day one
>>339588540
I've played both games yes, I find Battlefront to keep me more invested due to its progression system (albeit inexcusably small) than Overwatch. It has both long and short games, a -lot- more gametypes available and doesn't adhere to a fixed playersize for all of them.
Basically it offers a lot more flexibility and doesn't get old after a few games since you can jump to another gamemode. This isn't me saying it lived up to the name or that its a great game. I'm just saying it does some things a lot better than Overwatch, yet the later was given a complete pass by most critics who gives it 9 and 10/10. Seems very biased to me.
>>339588540
>dumbed down, console-friendly
That all applies to Overwatch.
>>339588720
hey breh should i buy the season pass? i know it's shit but i kinda want to use the shit in the expansion
Overwatch has lots of characters, abilities, and teamwork based gameplay. Battlefront and destiny don't really
>>339588720
O I don't know. Maybe because the later isn't a fuckin sequel to a series that has provided way more fuckin content out the box then battlefront has provided in its vanilla + season pass? You can forgive overwatch for its short comings because it's the first game in its series and is blizzards first try at a fps. You can't forgive dice for giving us less content while locking 90% of it behind a pay wall that surpassed the price of the full game. It's the same problem with destiny. Both games locked content via pay walls thus leaving a sour taste in people's mouths. Ideally , if they had opted into the idea of free content then both would've been better received . But that wasn't the case so both got shit for it
>>339589737
lmao destiny has guns and requires skill, in overwatch you need only to pick 2 heroes and you win the game
>>339590049
>Destiny
>Skill
Yea alright bud
>>339590049
Overwatch has 21 heroes
Destiny has 5 guns
Blizzard's name still holds weight for some reason. It's literally the only reason anyone gives even two shits about this game.
If Overwatch was made by anyone else, it would be a footnote of a footnote release and have a cult playerbase of like 1000. But because it's Blizzard, people go apeshit for it.
>>339589978
>you can forgive overwatch for its shortcomings
No, you can't. Fuck off you retarded drone.
I'll just point out, dont know if anyone has before me, that all future Overwatch maps and heroes added will be free, compared to the other two games.
Battlefront has a season pass that costs just as much as the full game.
Destiny backstabbed everyone who bought the first season pass, released The Taken King with all DLC + the base game for the same price as the normal game.
Overwatch has replayability due to the mix of the heroes and abilities instead the: so this gun is the best I have so far and I shoot people with it.
>>339590489
Are we now reviewing games on the basis of how we think they will be in several years time? No? Then stop making this shitty argument.
>>339588014
>>339590903
What? Don't tell me that you're pro-DLC.
People were making a big deal out of the two things i mentioned. Dont pretend otherwise.
>>339590489
What about sf5?
It has schedule of steady new free contebt added with actual storymode coming soon yet it got 7/10 ratings for lacking content
I swear if ow was also a sequel of a game with more content people would only then realise how barebones this game is.
>>339591240
Because that's things you expect from a Fighting game. You dont expect Singleplayer in Counter-Strike, now do you?
Both OW and CS are their own style of competitive shooters.
>>339591221
Your argument doesn't fucking work. By the time Overwatch has had all these "FREE HEROES AND MAPS XD" updates the other games will have had just as many, and the game will have seen a price reduction which means you can pick it up much cheaper than OW and get more for the pricetag.
>>339591383
Destiny and Battlefront never gives out free content last time i checked. Else they wouldn't advertise their new and shine $60 season pass.
Also, Blizz does plenty of price reduction and sales. For example, you could pick up WoW a week ago for 7 dollars with all ex-packs except Legion.
>>339591349
Except cs doesnt cost 60$
If it did it surely wouldnt get high scores
>>339588014
Comparing Destiny at launch to Overwatch is just stupid. Destiny was marketed as a full MMO experience with free content updates, it also had the Bungie name on it, you just knew the campaign would be good! And then it wasn't. There was a lot of stuff Bungie said that turned out to be lies, a lot of cut content, and a lot of laziness in the designs, not to mention the campaign had to be remade since Joseph Staten left mid development. With Overwatch, you knew exactly what you were getting.
>>339591574
Of course, it's the Valve way of running things. Their games are always dirt cheap.
all future dlc will be free, nothing announced about what exactly is coming, maps, heroes, modes. inb4 the gold received in lootboxes is used to purchase that "free content"
>>339591574
Also, Overwatch is $40 on the Battle.net page.
>>339588091
i'd trace her ass if u kno wat m sayn
>>339591535
>you could pick up a subscription based game cheap
Wow its fucking nothing. Way to also completely miss the point. But you are also a braindead blizzdrone so it makes sense.
>>339590489
I own OW (friend bought me it) but my response would be
>What additional content?
They don't have to release anything, it could be lazy stuff, we don't know at this point.
>>339591771
DELETE THIS
>>339591601
>With Overwatch, you knew exactly what you were getting
So as long as you make sure people know what they're getting you can make shitty and overpriced titles? Good to know.
Because of PCfats starving for games and blizzcucks that eat up anything.
The game will not survive a year.
>>339591890
The answer is yes, of course.
>>339591601
So you are saying that ow deserves its nearly perfect score JUST because we didnt had high expectations for that?
Thats not how rating works. You still only have to take into consideration the final prodilucts and their pricing
>>339588014
>people expected and wanted singleplayer content in OW
Who wanted that? And for what reason?
>>339588014
because it's not trying to be those games
it's not an rpg centered around pve and loot drops
it's not a game with a story mode, vehicles, a 30+ year old well loved setting and 50 dollars in dlc
it's a multilayer shooter more akin to old quake mods where players meaninglessly shoot at each other. It never pretended the gameplay was anything more than that unlike those other games you mentioned
>>339591771
They sell the game for 60$ for half of their playerbase. Your argument might be valid if the game wouldnt get nearly perfect scores even on consoles for their pricing, but this shows that reviewers are just fucking biased.
>>339592063
Splatoon's single player was great, but the mechanics lend more towards single player in general though.
It's also funny that Splatoon had more content than OW and got shit on harder but I mean let's face facts Nintendo vs. Activision-Blizz when it comes to "professional" reviewers.
>>339591803
It was an example, doo-doo head.
I'm just a person who likes to pay my hard-earned money on a quality product with future content hat i know will be free.
I hate having to purchase the 'same' game twice to get all the content, but no extra copy to use.
Listen to yourself, if we're going to drone-mark each other, then you're an Activision and EA drone. Way to stamp yourself.
>>339592157
I'm not the one desperate to justify an extremely poor release with the notion that you MIGHT get more good content in the future. Reviews aren't based on the state of the game in 2 years time. Which is what this thread is all about. Since you had no way to defend that you decided to make it about something else just so your new favorite toy wouldn't recieve bad press. This is known as fanboyism.
>>339588014
To a certain degree, people are beginning to accept this as the status quo.
>>339592081
It doesnt matter what the game is trying to pretend itself. You are paying a price for an amount of contnent and quality and the game should be reviewed by those standards.
If that was a valid argument people wouldnt shat all over sf5 for only having the core fighting gameplay
>>339592081
Another one who misses the point (most likely on purpose) to have a way to defend the game.
>>339588014
Destiny and BF arent' team based shooters though. Overwatch is different, sorta
>>339591871
They have new characters and maps planned and said that they'll all be free content updates. Compare that to Battlefront which was $110 on launch for all the content, and still doesn't compare to what the previous two games in the series had
>>339592359
what point?
it's tf2 2.0
>>339591915
It won't survive when Battlefield comes, lets be real, everyone is going to play Battlefield, at least a chunk will play final fantasy before it too.
>>339592134
>it must have singleplayer to be a good game
Lets face it. its an casual, have fun alone or with friends game, basicly a "fun game". But in todays game world if you are making a shooter (fps) it has to be competetive, in it to win it. Anything else is a tf2 clone
>conveniently hiding behind the fact that Overwatch has no predecessors to justify its lack of content
>>339592489
>it must have singleplayer to be a good game
Didn't say that.
Overwatch isn't a full-priced title.
>>339592331
The game is high quality. It's one of the most polished, bug-free games I've seen at launch in a long time.
shit's fun yo
>>339592262
And yet, when Battlefront was being released, and when Destiny was being released, it was critiqued for it's horrendous Season Pass.
People care about the support their product gets from day one, if you don't, you're a retard.
Also, another thing about Battlefront that i remember very clearly, is that alot of people were upset that the full version had just a little bit more content than the Beta.
Atleast with the Overwatch beta, you knew exactly what you got yourself into.
Also, if it's not about how the game is in the future, then why are you comparing games that has gotten PAID content updates to Overwatch?
I never saw you compare launch-day Battlefront to launch-day Overwatch.
But hey, someone has to defend EA for them.
>>339592516
Quoting the interwebs
>>339592386
I'm not trying to argue Battlefront is good in any way. I'm just saying they could have no additional significant content.
>OW
>A Multiplayer only TF2 clone
>$40 with free content in the future
>Destiny
>An FPSMMO, nah just kidding it's Borderlands with half the content despite the 500 million dollar budget
>Full price + Season Pass + New DLC that doesn't come with Season Pass
>Battlefront
>Battlefront 2 with better graphics, nah just kidding it's a dumbed down Battlefield 4 with a Star Wars skin & no campaign/galatic conquest/space battles/no clone wars
>Full price + Season Pass more expensive than fucking Overwatch
>>339592489
No you fucking retard, stop being intellectually dishonest and look at what is being said here. Giving a game a 10/10 (Aka this game is fucking perfect) when it has no singleplayer to speak of, very barebones multiplayer (which is the only type of gameplay you get) is plain fucking stupid.
The game isn't being judged to the same standards as other full-priced shooters when it ought to be.
>>339592576
I did in the OP you mongoloid, maybe you should learn how to read.
>>339592539
it is on consoles, and given how whiny OP is he's probably a consolebabby
>>339592582
Well anyway, my point is that Splatoon had more content but was rated more harshly. More content does equal a better game unless the content is shitty which it wasn't.
I can't take reviewers seriously anyway but this just provides more direct examples of why.
>>339588014
people were pissed about Destiny and Battlefront mostly because they had an idea of how the games were going to be, then they came out and people realized they were stripped down garbage.
For Overwatch, everybody knew from the get go that it was going to basically be a TF2 clone, and it delivered on that, so there was nothing to be disillusioned about when it came out. Stop trying to draw false comparisons.
>>339592643
>its okay because it has free content in the future guys
Top cuck
>>339588014
Because you don't have to like or know Star Wars to like the game.
Because it doesn't only aim for mature teenagers with a wicked sense of humor.
>>339592651
Except you didn't.
w-what happened, bros?
>>339592768
Except I did, but as you're demonstrating you can't read for shit. Just gtfo you blizzdrone.
>>339592850
You're not willing to prove it, so i have no reason to believe it. :)
>>339592576
>Also, another thing about Battlefront that i remember very clearly, is that alot of people were upset that the full version had just a little bit more content than the Beta.
>Atleast with the Overwatch beta, you knew exactly what you got yourself into.
So Overwatch beta is the ENTIRE full game and this is a good thing, but Battlefront's full release adds more content over the beta and this is a bad thing?
Isn't that backwards? Aren't those the same exact double standards OP is talking about
>people get tired of overwatch threads
>shill falseflag and make "overwatch hate" and "battleborn" threads where all they talk about is overwatch anyways
>there's like 8 of these fucking threads up at any time
>>339588143
>>339592885
>look at how retarded I am
Cute. Does your parents know you're using the family computer to embarass yourself?
>>339592887
Because, people liked it because they were fully honest, it was essentially a demo and if people liked it, they bought it. It was super popular.
Battlefront however? Even the fucking beta screen had an advertisement for their season pass, and when the full game came out, they got barely anything more than the measly little beta content there already was.
>>339592754
>I want to be charged double for future content
literal cuck
>>339592964
>he doesn't buy games years after release when they're $30 and has all the content
No, you're still the cuck.
>>339592939
Nope. Wanna watch My Little Pony together?
I'm sure you'd really like it.
Battlefront was so jewish on the fact it didn't tell you what the season pass had at all, they knew people brought it thinking it would have Clone Wars & Force Awakens content
I feel so sorry for them
>>339592915If they keep it up long enough they'll start crying about how Overwatch is being "spammed" and demand it get a containment board.
>>339593019
>he doesn't buy games years after release when they're $30 and has all the content and about 1/10th of the playerbase
mega cuck
>>339588720
Lolno
>>339588014
because the league of legends fanbase is migrating to overwatch
because tumblr made it its new league of legends when it comes to fan drawings
because its easy as shit
>>339591729
I could see Blizzard doing this.
Either purchase with gold or get lucky and get it with a lootbox.
>>339593019
You can't get Destiny + all content for $30, and it's been more than a year.
>>339592572
I'm having the time of my life with it. It's too bad people in this thread can't just be happy with their own games. Is this what people call Autism?
>>339593110
Not like it matters in Overwatch case since all you need is 12 people in the whole playerbase to find a game ;)
>Blizzard is as bad as EA
Go fuck yourself /v/
>>339588014
Waifus. It's brilliant, really.
>>339591729
Yeah exactly, that is the type of shit Actiblizz would do.
>>339593173
But what if there are 13 people playing?
>>339593180
Who are you quoting?
>>339592081
Tell that to Titanfall
>>339593019
>Waiting a year for a 10$ discount
Fuck I'm a poorfag and even to me that sounds cheap.
>>339593180
Activision is NEARLY as bad as EA and they are merged with Blizzard, corrupting them to their very core.
-Directed by C. Metzen
>>339593250
Then one can spectate the game and enjoy the quality gameplay footage until someone leaves
>>339588395
Overwatch has more depth through teamplay
>>339588014
>destiny comes out
60$ and a 30$ season pass
>Battlefront comes out
60$ and a 30$ season pass
>overwatch comes out
60$, or only 40$ depending
So why are we holding them to different standards again?
Star Wars has a history of having single player in their games. Also MANY people who bought it didn't know it was multiplayer only. Also it was super bare. It was a normie magnet and most a lot of them have cold feet when it comes to online competitive play.
Destiny at launch was a mixed bag. The PvE was there but limited. The PvP wasn't really fleshed out or balanced either. There was something missing from both the storytelling and the gameplay. It's a great game now.
Overwatch has 21 characters that all play differently. Its not unbalanced beyond belief, and I daresay its fine as is (minor buffs to maaaaybe 2 characters). No one bought it thinking that it was a single player game. Tons of unlocks that are purely cosmetic, meaning that there is no real grind like Destiny. You have all weapons and abilities unlocked from the start.
It's a formula that is the opposite of all standard fps games that promote grinding for better weapons for a competitive edge. Couple that with characters that have character, teamwork as the focus, and pretty good map design and you have a recipe for a fun game.
>>339593350
But less depth with only a single teamsize, less gamemodes and maps.
>>339590489
This is a big one for me, OW is 40€, BF is 60€ and another 60€ in day 1 season pass
I'd have gotten BF if it was 40€ period
>>339593403
The former two are shit. That doesn't mean Overwatch is a great deal because it's mildly less shitty. $40 is a high ask for the limited amount of modes.
>>339593403
BF's season pass was $50
>>339593417
Yeah but it turns out that games with heavy focus on teamplay have a lot of replayability as long as they have a good character roster
See dotoclones, one single map that has been played with little variation for over a decade
>>339588014
>destiny and battlefront were based on previous franchises
>advertised as eternally played, foundation games
>actually shallow as fuck
>full priced with dlcs and season pass bull shit
>overwatch is a completely new setting
>advertised as a goofy, shallow team shooter
>actually is a goofy, shallow team shooter
>almost half the price of a new game
I can see where people don't enjoy Overwatch, but it really didn't pull wool over anyone's eyes. Not really getting the hit piece out for it on /v/. I like being contrarian as fuck too, and Blizzard has eternally rubbed me wrong with what happened to WoW, but I'm not going to bash my head against a wall about it.
>>339591915
>This game will not survive a year.
If you seriously believe this game will be dead in a year you're seriously deluded. It's going to be around for a very long time.
>>339593403
>reviews are now based on what you think a game will look like in several years time after all their content updates as opposed to at release
Only when its a Blizzard game though.
>>339588014
difference is overwatch never claimed to have a 10+ hour 'cinematic' experience story.
>>339588720
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe people don't like the progression system? That maybe they want to be able to pay for a game and have access to all of the gameplay?
What sounds better, a $40 game that lets you play however you want right out of the box, or a $60 game with some gameplay content locked behind a $50 paywall, and other gameplay content locked behind a 50 hour timewall?
haha us gamers, huh?
>>339593498
fucking wow.
>>339593532
Dotaclones are also F2P or very cheap games.
>>339588014
Destiny = 60 dollars = paid DLC
Star Wars Battlefront = 60 dollars + paid DLC
Overwatch = 40 dollars
>>339592463
They're completely different games that scratch a different itch. I'll be playing both.
>>339593403
Because Destiny had more content than Overwatch and Battlelel combined at launch.
>>339588014
Destiny and SWB are generic shooters where every encounter is the same shoot'em'up.
In OW, encounters are wildly different and terrain matters much more. Facing a lucio with a pitfall nearby forces you to make certain maneuvers in order not to fall - unless you're Roadhog and feel evil enough to drag him down with you. Or a tracer and want to trick him into thinking that you fell. These kinds of things just don't happen in generic shooters.
>all the blizzcucks on /v/
Are they shills or just deluded fans? I'm having trouble seeing the difference these days.
>>339593567
battlefield will take 60% of the playerbase easy
>>339588014
Overwatch is $40 at launch with totally free content patches being added later on, consisting of new heroes, maps, and probably game modes.
Battlefront was $60 at launch, and you were expected to fork over another $60 to get all the DLC (cut content) coming out this "season".
>>339591729
They only say heroes will be free. There will be paid expansions like every Blizzard game. Probably with a PvE system
>>339593823
$40 on PC*. Don't lie anon :)
>>339593679
Back before League of Legends, dotaclones were either mods or buy2play
>>339593610
>reviews
arent they those weird subjective things?
>>339588014
You also forgot to add SFV that was shit on by critics on release because the absence of muh arcade mode
Also I can guarantee Acti-Blizz is way fucking deep in every reviewers wallet. I'd be curious to learn how much money went to just shilling this game
>>339593890
They're also the topic of the thread.
>>339593773
Consolefags will abandon this game in a month
But PCfags tend to stick around for certain games, especially Blizzard ones
Guys
GUYS
What ifOverwatch is a $20 game with a $20 stealth season pass for those "free" future heroes and gamemodes?
It's because overwatch is just better. In every sense. The shooting controls are incredibly tight, the characters are all very well balanced and fun, while being unique and allowing for many styles of play. There isn't any pointless grinding to unlock cool abilities or anything like that.
You shouldn't compare it to destiny or swbf because it's not an rpgfps and it's not just a straight fps/vehicle fps. It's a moba mixed with an FPS, and it works incredibly well.
It's like how Blizzard wasn't even close to the first team to make an mmo, but when they finally arrived they completely changed the landscape.
>>339593823
>totally free content patches being added later on
>suspiciously not mentioning when the patches will be released, what's in them and how many we will get
Classic Blizzard
>>339594054
>it's a moba
no its not
>>339588014
>How come Overwatch isn't judged by the same standards?
it came on PC, you don't need 500$ in a brick (+ online) to be able to play a FPS with a pad
>>339594054
>30 Blizz-Bucks™ have been deposited into your account.
>>339594031
Eh.
If they do come out and say that later it'd be okay I guess. Would they then start selling the 20 dollar version of it though?
>>339594193
So did SW:BF
>>339594054
>It's a moba mixed with an FPS
no, it's a class-based shooter
All it has in common with dotoclones is skills on q and e
>>339588014
Overwatch didn't make promises it couldn't keep, it's exactly what was promised, a basic FPS with abilities as a gimmick.
Destiny tried to be too many things while the gunplay was worse than Borderlands, All the enemies just had a lot of health; there was no good AI like in the Halo games where Elites would roll out of the way or Grunts would throw grenades back. Battlefront had a $50 season pass and gameplay that was too different from the original Battlefront series which people expected. The power-ups system was retarded.
Overwatch is a typical Blizzard game. Basic gameplay with a few gimmicks with added polish. It isn't like this hasn't worked out for all their other games like Starcraft, which was basic RTS with really good core gameplay. There wasn't any major gimmicks like unit happiness or food or anything. It was all action and strategy.
>>339594117
>$50 content patches being added later on
>suspiciously not mentioning when the patches will be released, what's in them and how many we will get
Still better than the other games OP brought up.
>three whites and a blue
EVERY FUCKING LOOTBOX
>>339594213
Time to buy crates
>>339594229
another battlefield, we all wanted that right?
>>339593318
>6v6 with bots
Titanfall shot itself in the foot. Also didn't help that they picked xb1 instead of PS4 to go "exclusive" to.
>>339594054
>The shooting controls are designed for consoles
ftfy
>>339593875
>playing games on consoles
dem blizzard reviews, 93 across the board, ty angry joe for giving it a 7, shoulda been a fucking 6 though
>>339593704
Destiny 60 + paid DLC
SW Battlefront 60 + paid DLC
Overwatch 40/60 + Micro Transactions on random loot boxes.
All just as costly. All just as bad. Maybe OW is worse because shop is already in place to charge even more for Unique items.
>>339594382
>battlefield
stop comparing it to battlefield, they're not even close, it's a CoD clone if anything
>>339594470
>Micro Transactions on random loot boxes.
Do people even consider this when thinking about buying it? It's all cosmetic shit with 0 affects on gameplay mechanics, which you can get through normal gameplay, and it's all RNG either way. Are people so weak willed as to fall for this shit that they shy away from it?
>>339594491
>cod clone with vehicles
This is EXACTLY what Battlefield has been since the series' inception.
>>339594618
They think it's okay because their neighbour's nephew used all his weekly allowance to buy a few boxes.
>>339594470
and you can probably get the base Destiny game for under 10 dollars now and Battlefront for under 30
>>339594618
>which you can get through normal gameplay
This statement triggers me more than it should because of how fucking dishonest it is. No one is going to be playing long enough to unlock all the content for free.
>>339594680
no anon, just no.
>>339594618
>implying adding more cosmetics will not overtake working on balance
This is what happened to SWTOR
New skins every so often, Guardian is still completely broken.
>>339588014
>How come Overwatch isn't judged by the same standards?
Hordes of Blizzdrones.
Why do people get mad when I say "Nice Q pressing" after each PoTg ? I'm just celebrating their skill
>>339588014
two of those game doesnt have waifu bait
>>339594760
and no one is going to be crazy enough to buy so many RNG boxes that they get all the content they want.
because overwatch is tf2 with waifus and tf2 is a fun game.
>>339594893
So then you're not really getting all the content for the price of the game, are you?
>>339588014
To make you mad, son, and you fell for it.
Look how many angry nerds keep posting every kind of logical attack they can muster as if that'll keep someone from playing it or Blizzard from investing in it.
You fell for the Overwatch meme, not the players.
>>339594924
TF2 isn't broken as fuck
>>339594618
>cucks in the year twenty sixteen still think micro transactions and buying random cosmetics based on RNG just to fucking rip people off is a good thing because you could play 2 million hours and unlock it for """free"""" *
>>339588014
Destiny has always been critically acclaimed, and had a massive player base at launch (still does). Nice try faggot.
>>339594868
Blizzcucks get triggered because they know how little skill is required to play their game but they refuse to acknowledge it
>>339594968
>lost 350k twitch viewers in the first 3 days
>doesn't have anywhere near the 9 MILLION BETA PLAYERS!!!! that was so obnoxiously advertised everywhere
The angry nerds don't really need to keep anyone from playing it. The game will put people off well enough all on its own.
>>339594964
You are. Again, you can get it ALL through playing the game.
And none of it even affects the gameplay in any way so who gives a shit? Who spends $40 on a game to spend $400 more on dress up? Why do you even care about these people?
>>339594974
>heavymedic
>>339595153
>hey guys if you play for several thousand hours you can unlock it all for FREE ;)
This is literally the most intellectually dishonest argument for F2P games ever concieved.
>>339595139
Even you know the logical rebuttal to those meaningless statements anon. If the game will put people off then there should be no problem for anyone, but not for OP & other shitposters on this board who are simply JUST-tier mad.
>>339588014
For the following reason
>Was not promised to some massive game with crazy amounts of content that did not get lived up to, IE Destiny
>Was not just a reskin of BF.
>Was not following up a legendary series, Battle front.
The reason overwatch did so good is for a few reasons.
Yes, blizzard drones helped, but thats not the real reason. Overwatch does not pretend to be something its not. Its a nonsensical shooter with over powered character, gimicks, and silliness.
Blizzard never bit off more then they could chew, they presented the game as is. Did not make any promises, did not make any claims as to being the best, biggest, craziest game.
Blizzard just said, "This is a shooter we made from the scraps of our canceled game, its sillly its fun, and thats about as far as it goes." Games today try to be so much more and end up getting lost, IE destiny, and BF. But games like overwatch who are just simple games, sell well and get great reviews, another example of this is the new DOOM. DOOM is an amazing game because its not trying to be something its not, its a pure run and gun shooter, no deep story, no deep character development, no BS, just here is a gun, go murder deomons as violently as you can.
TL;DR: Overwatch is doing good because its simple, and did not promise anything or what you see is waht you get. So there was no hype for it to live up to.
>>339594924
this
>>339595309
You didn't bother reading the OP then? It's a discussion about biased reviews.
In complete honesty, one of the reasons for overwatch's success has to do with the fact that it is talked about constantly on imageboards and social media sites like facebook, reddit, and tumblr.
In essence, you are the cause.
>>339595294
To add icing to the cake Overmeme isn't even F2P
Blizzard really knows there audience will buy anything they shit out
>>339594054
How exactly is it like a moba?
Moba didn't invent cool down abilities or classes
>>339590112
Bungie shills btfo
>>339595294
And if it had shit like weapons or skills in them, I'd agree with you that it shouldn't be allowed. But literally all that's in the boxes is shit to play dressup with. Shit that you don't even need to spent real money on to get. The game's only been out a week and I already have good cosmetics for the characters I play most.
>>339595347
>>339595494
This doesn't address the OP's point at all, which is about how reviewers decided to ignore issues with the game when they've been complaining about the same issues for other games in similar genres.
By this logic the new DOOM should be a 10/10 because it wasn't trying to be anything more than blood and gore no fucks given shooter. It was also advertised as such. Yet reviewers once again decided to say it was "missing something" or that it didn't have enough content.
>>339595447
Oh i already posted my two cents about that here >>339594968
Reviewers are trolls who draw attention to themselves by making people mad. I bet most people visiting IGN & co from here are visitors who are mad from one of their scores. I bet they read every metacritic review as well.
Biased reviews are the lifeblood of review sites. Fair reviews? Boring. Why do you think Yahtzee is so popular?
>>339588720
>I find Battlefront to keep me more invested due to its progression system
Modern.
Gamers.
I didn't need a progression system to keep me entertained for a million hours of CTF_Face, I didn't need a progression system to keep me entertained for a million hours of any other shooter before progression systems were a thing.
You know what kept us around? The gameplay. Which Overwatch has in spades.
Why do you guys NEED to unlock something? What if the game is just fun
>>339588014
You were 8? That's old enough to beat a woman in a fight. Should have taken that hammer and gone to town on her ass, then told your Mom to thank you for getting rid of a shitty family member.
>>339594031
stealth season pass is better than "you dont technically need it".
>>339594974
Demoman pre nerf might has well been called a Hero Class or something
>>339595153
Can you get that special Widow skin or Tracer skin if you don't buy the collector's edition? Otherwise you aren't getting the full game.
>Find game
>Game found
>Defend Rou- DEFEAT
There really needs to be a "Join game in progress" box to click
>>339595714
Where did I say I NEED a progression system? Which by the way Overwatch still has in the form of cosmetics. My point was there's a lot more variety to be found.
>>339591085
>ninja with abandonment issues
>mad bomber with abandonment issues
>Outdated technology with abandonment issues
>__________ with abandonment issues
Kojima is a hack
>>339588091
First post best post.
>>339595714
There are unlocks so players that join late from buying the game discounted can pay to get all unlocks to even the playing field right away.
See BF3 where you don't even get flares or missiles for the jet without unlocks. It also had unlock pack for 15 dollaridoos or somesuch.
>people talking about price
Looks like upgraded blizzshills know how to steer topic in wrong direction.
Both Destiny and SWB were aimed at "gamers", whatever that means now. Destiny rode on assumption Bungie can do another good FPS (this is information known only to "gamers"); SWB rode on Star Wars fans which will eat everything and on starvation for good SW game.
Overwatch is aimed at "normies" or however you want to call them. It's genre is as "video-game-y" as you can get, but under the hood there are all things which may interest "normie". It's bright and colorful, it has simple and distinguishable characters, it gives many rewards for doing nothing particularly outstanding, and, finally, it doesn't require player to care at all. You don't need to think about your aim much, you don't need to think of limited supply of ammo (it's unlimited, right? I can't remember from beta), you don't need to think of movement. It's game easily "digestable" and aimed exactly at crowd which demands it.
It's not exactly bad, in fact. Such games can keep away people which just want to be hip and with times, but don't want to spend even speck of time to learn anything or involve themselves with something. Sadly, "video games" as a hobby is yet to be separated in many tiers like it happened with movies, books and everything else. Whenever new Overwatch of month comes, every idiot and their dog start howling about Citizen Cane of games and best game ever ever ever in all parallel universes. I can't understand this, why movies can be separated in mass-produced stuff for masses and niche things for the ones invested in movies, but games are to be strictly for one part of population? Why is it taking so long for people to realize this?
>>339592081
Comparing overwatch to Quake is overly generous.
>>339595875
>There are unlocks
there shouldn't need to be any
at all
>>339595964
>you don't need to think of limited supply of ammo (it's unlimited, right? I can't remember from beta)
You are worse than normies.
>>339594760
>No one is going to be playing long enough to unlock all the content for free.
Say what? There were people who nearly did exactly that in the closed beta phases. You know, the ones that lasted two to three months.
Everything that isn't the legendary skins can be binged purchase with ingame currency which you get a hefty amount of. It's not hard to get almost every skin you could ever want within the first 100 levels which is maybe 90 hours or so.
This isn't league, my man. Leveling is fast and you get plenty of shit from it.
Destiny is primarily a PvE game, so yeah, lacking in PvE content is going to count against it.
Battlefront was a sequel, so naturally it's going to be compared to its predecessors, which did have proper single-player as well as more features in its multiplayer.
Overwatch is a new IP, and the closest game to it is TF2, which also didn't have single-player and generally launched with roughly the same amount of content. More generally speaking, Blizzard has always been a PC-focused developer (Overwatch wasn't even confirmed for consoles until a year after reveal) and PC games being multiplayer-only is a much more common thing relative to consoles (see also: Quake 3, Unreal Tournament, pretty much every MOBA under the sun)
There's also the fact that Overwatch has already confirmed that post-launch maps/characters will be free, whereas Destiny and Battlefront demand more money if you want more content. And the fact that it's Blizzard also has a bit to do with it, I'll admit.
>>339588014
Battlefront was fucking terrible. From a gameplay standpoint it was more shallow in almost every regard. It wasn't interesting, it wasn't unique, and most of all it just wasn't fun.
Destiny actually turned out pretty well after Taken King.
>>339595996
It was the reasoning behind unlocks other than to simulate a skinnerbox for ADHD players. It brings in the money from some people who join late by buying the game at a discount. The unlock package fills the gap left by the discount.
>>339595689
No it does.
reviews over look those issues, because blizzard never made the claims of them being amazing like that.
From day one blizzard was very transparent about the game, and said this is what it is no more no less, so reviewers were not expecting anymore then they got.
In the case of BF, reviewers had no idea what they were gonna get, and so they got a fullprice game that only had multi player.
Overwatch was always, hey, this is a simple multiplayer shooter, judge it for that.
>>339588014
40 Dollars
That's most likely the only reason.
>>339596137
This once again doesn't address the fact that reviewers didn't extend the same standards to DOOM yet the game was advertised and played as nothing more than what it was meant to be. You don't have an argument if you can't explain this.
>>339596098
>Leveling is fast
For the first 20 levels maybe
>you get plenty of shit from it
Completely RNG based and you're more likely to get shitty duplicates than getting anything cool.
Blizzard obviously designed it so you would be incentiviced to use microtransactions later on instead of mindlessly farming for a skin you didn't get.
>>339595971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTMnJ5XJH6Q
Blizzard did it.
>>339596225
Honestly i cant speak for that because every thing i have read about the new DOOM as been, best reboot in a long time.
The only knock i find against doom is the multiplayer sucks, and thats because it was outsourced. Every other review has said DOOM is an amazing first person shoot for the single campaign.
Do you have a link to the reviews saying its missing something? Cus honestly all i have seen are 10/10s (or relatively close) for the game.
>>339595875
Guy you quoted here.
You're not arguing against my point. I didn't ask "why are there unlocks" I was just questioning why modern gamers would rather play something that has a progression system vs a core game that is deep/fun enough to sustain itself without the fluff
the difference is simply this
Overwatch "feels" different
Destiny and Battlefront play and look very much like most fps that have come out in recent years
Overwatch, by contrast, is very colorful, has charming characters (even if they're cliched and disney-esque), and the skill system each individual hero has makes people feel like they're doing something more than pointing their gun and occasionally throwing a grenade
>>339588014
Overwatch knows how to market, just look at the front page.
>>339588014
i wish overwatch had a single player mode
>>339596356
No, because none of the loot items fucking matter as they do nothing in the game other then stroke epeen, and 9/10 times the original skins look better, and they dont even matter because your enemy will always see you as a red version of your skin to indicate you are an enemy
>>339594468
>caring about what a mad mexicunt has to say
>>339596405
that's weird. I was playing OW and felt like it was more old school than anything I've played in a bit despite feeling so fresh.
Nice to know they set out with that intention
>>339596356
>For the first 20 levels maybe
It caps at level 22.
Every level 22-100 takes the same amount of XP, and then at 101 it resets
>>339596460
IGN gave it a score of 71 and complained about how you had to circle strafe most of the time to kill enemies (even though that's part of the essence of DOOM). Just an example.
>>339594468
He can only give 7 as per the amount of dollars he will eternally have.
>>339596356
>Blizzard obviously designed it so you would be incentiviced to use microtransactions later on instead of mindlessly farming for a skin you didn't get.
If you have so little self control as to feel the need to spend money on cosmetics, then you deserve to get ripped off.
Good job, Blizzard. You finally did something right.
>>339593646
I'll say!
Hey, shouldn't we be playing video games instead of bitching about games we don't play? W-we are gamers, right?Right?
>>339596612
>IGN
Might as well tell me kotaku gave it a bad review.
>>339596356
>you're more likely to get shitty duplicates
Well I'm at level 41 and I've received around 13% of my drops as duplicates.
Legendaries are rare as fuck though. I've got 2 or 3, can't remember atm.
>>339588014
>has exactly the same problems as these two games
>exactly
You're fucking retarded.
>>339590239
>if Overwatch was made by anyone else, it would be a footnote of a footnote release and have a cult playerbase of like 1000.
Battleborn has around 2000 now, I'd give it a couple more days.
>>339596579
>I don't like the cosmetics therefor there's no problem having them locked behind microtransactions or thousands of hours of farming XP
Okay, but you not liking it isn't basis enough to excuse bad business practises.
>Team needs a tank
>Someone picks D.Va
>>339596472
Because american education system influences.
I bet someone has the image with a summary how that shit goes down over there. Basically teach kids to never fail and lead them into the correct answer to make them feel good. Failure leads to depression and questioning of authority making them look bad.
>>339596356
>For the first 20 levels maybe
No? XP required to level stops going up after a certain point, dunno where. Plus when you break 100 you basically prestige and the exp you need to level is reset back as if you were at level 1. Playing at a fairly steady and moderate pace of about 20 hours a week you could reach level 100 in maybe a month and a half, tops. Then it resets. It's literally been a week and people have broken level 100.
If you play like an hour a day, yeah, I guess leveling is pretty slow. Any multiplayer game with a progression system would be slow to level if you played that fuckin' little though.
>Blizzard obviously designed it so you would be incentiviced to use microtransactions later on instead of mindlessly farming for a skin you didn't get.
>Blizzard designed it so that your stupid ass would spend money in hopes that you randomly get a cosmetic item like a fucking moron
How hopelessly retarded do you think people are? You'd have an argument if any of the shit you get from loot crates mattered, but none of it does. The only people that would blow money on the things are the kind of complete fucking dipshits who would buy cosmetics whether or not it was difficult to obtain them.
>ranked mode delayed 2 months
overwatch is dead now hype cant sustain with casual mode
>>339596725
>it's a Winston is better than D.Va episode
You're in every thread right?
>>339596612
>>339596672
Even you said that the running around is part of DOOMs essence, so even you agree that the example you gave me is a bad one because the knock a core element of the original doom
>>339596723
They have no affect on the gameplay. Anyone who spends money on those things knows what they were getting into. There's no reason to buy them from a gameplay perspective (the only perspective that matters in a video game). Only an e-peen perspective.
>>339596656
>If you have so little self control as to feel the need to spend money on cosmetics, then you deserve to get ripped off.
Attitude like that only means that every game in the future is going to have random loot boxes and shitty microtransactions. Because the fact is, a lot of people really don't have fucking self control, and you're not punishing those people, you're just rewarding the company. Rewarding companies that do shit like loot boxes leads to more games having loot boxes in them..
>>339596781
No, D.Va is just trash.
>>339596723
No its that there is no bonus to buying it, its not a bad business practice because it offers no advantage over anyone else.
If you buy a shit ton of loot create, it does not make you better at the game, it only changes your appearance so you can look 'cooler'
>be competitive fighting game player
>try out an FPS for the first time
>its overwatch
>everytime I get fucked up learn from my mistakes
>eventually shitting on everything with smart Dva movement and Tracer disruption
>go to the forums
>NERF NERF NERF NERF
lol
>>339596893
You're just bad.
>>339595964
What are you going on about?
>>339596895
>It's okay because its cosmetics
>it's okay because you can farm it for FREE ;)
>It's okay because its blizzard
Jesus fucking christ, how cucked can you be.
Oh boy
Getting cross about miniscule details because of ideological puritanism is pretty childish you know
>>339596870
>leads to more games having loot boxes in them..
That isn't a problem though because you have self control so it doesn't impact you.
:^)
>>339595964
Autism speaks
>>339596781
Winston is literally better then D.va though and consistently is pick over her by professional teams on control point maps.
>>339596723
>locked behind microtransactions
But they aren't.
>>339588014
shills and blizzard payed review sites.
>>339596992
How is it not a problem when these would otherwise be readily available without having to farm them? You not caring about cosmetics is completely fucking irrelevant.
>>339597040
>professional teams
That is adorable.
>the last DICE games and every Battlefront game had some sort of singleplayer
>the new one doesn't
>Destiny is an MMO, which absolutely relies on the amount of engaging content it has
>it doesn't have any
>Overwatch doesn't have a singleplayer
>neither does Hearthstone, HotS, Team Fortress 2, DotA, League, Counterstrike or Unreal Tournament, which have a similar scope
GEE I WONDER
>>339588014
>Destiny
It's an MMO shooter. MMOs need content
Star Wars
>Costs $60 and obviously a lot of content was cut
>Overwatch
Starts at $40, the $60 version only has cosmetic bullshit (Except console cucks, but who cares about console shooters?)
I think $30 would have been the perfect price for Overwatch, but close enough.
>>339597049
>It's a you can farm it for a few thousand hours and get it without paying so therefor its completely free episode
Every time.
>>339596967
You are literally retarded. The idea that microtransactions are inherently evil is fucking retarded. Microtransactions like the ones in Overwatch and DotA2 literally serve only to generate money for the developer at no cost to anyone.
The only argument against cosmetic-only microtransactions is being a moralfag retard who claims that gaming companies are taking advantage of people with gambling problems by selling stuff like loot crates, which is fucking retarded and you're an idiot if you even begin to let that cross your middle-finger-to-god of a brain.
>>339596870
If it wasn't cosmetics I would have a problem. Like when they added non-cosmetic microtransactions to Payday 2, people bitched and they change dthem to only be cosmetic.
>>339596967
Apparently im pretty cucked because i
>Dont find the need to buy cosmetic items
>Willing to play the game to unlock the cosmetics i want
>Enjoy the fact that i can unlock stuff rather then have it all given to me at the start.
Just cuck my shit up senpai.
Why are there only 4 gamemodes in Overwatch anyway?
Doesnt every multiplayer shooter have a shitload more?
>>339597136
What would even be the point of having every costume? It's not like you can use multiples at a time and chances are good you like one skin more than the others.
>>339597094
>Hearthstone
>No singleplayer
Please anon, at least looks stuff up before posting, it doesnt take long
