Ivory King is still the best bossfight in the entire Souls series.
Not even the best in the game.
He's just a re-textured Allant.
>>339577365
Not even the best in his own game.
>>339577536
What was the deal with him and Velstadt again?
They had a conflict that ended up with Raime getting exiled but the whole deal seems fishy. Especially with Elana being a fragment of Manus and being able to summon Velstadt.
>>339577738
>Elana being a fragment of Manus and being able to summon Velstadt
I don't think this has any lore significance. It's not flesh and blood Velstadt either, it's just a copy of him.
If I'd have to guess, maybe the "daughters" of Manus had some sort of mental link between each other, and that's how Elana knew of Velstadt, how he looked, how he fought etc., and thus was able to create a copy of him out of whatever he and the skellies she summons are made.
If only he wasn't in the tumor of the entire Souls series.
>>339578136
You mean the best souls game?
>>339578206
>>339577738
Getting into pure speculation so beware.
Raime realized that Nashandra was a shard of Manus but Velstadt wanted to remain loyal. Vendrick didn't believe him and exiled him for talking ill of the queen(he still loved her even after knowing she was a darky after all).
Elana can summon Velstadt because she's connected to the other shards, and Velstadt himself is either a creation of Nashandra or has been corrupted by her if the soul is anything to go by. I'd say it's more likely to be the latter myself.
>builds his castle on top of the emerging chaos
>sets up his throne as first line of defense
>all to protect his people
>they follow him and build an entire city around that place
>and a wall not to keep outsiders out but the chaos in so it doesn't spread all over the world
>when he got weaker he gave himself to the chaos in order to protect his own people
>wife'd a fragment of dark who loved him so much that she stayed there for him and still does waiting for him to eventually come back
Truly the greatest king.
>>339578580
Dark Souls 2 had the best lore. Gave me such high hopes for DS3 only for it to be a rehashed copy paste of DS1 with better graphics.
>>339578580
>and a wall not to keep outsiders out but the chaos in so it doesn't spread all over the world
But wasn't the Chaos Flame dying ever since it was created? Or at the very least since the CU killed the BoC? That's why the demons in DS3 are all withered.
>>339577365
That's a weird way to spell Artorias
>>339578826
It's a chaotic flame that the CU could only temporary weaken.
It got strong again in DS2 but DS3 declared it dying.
>>339578580
Yhorm did this backwards while his people hated him.
>>339578826
No more Demons could be made from it after BoC was destroyed but it still managed to take the Loyce Knights as slaves.
>>339578961
It's not dying it's outright dead in 3.
There's literally only a handful of chaos demons still alive in the entire world at this point.
>>339578826
If the flame had access to the outside world it could probably keep itself alive by eating souls. >>339578873
>>339579082
>There's literally only a handful of chaos demons still alive in the entire world at this point.
Well thats why i called it ''dying''
It's technically only truly dead once the flame is gone for good with all demons being dead as well.
>>339577536
this
>>339577536
Reime isn't even the best in his own DLC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPGThfD_GY
>>339577738
He got cucked and Nadalia got blacked as she burned the coal and turned into ash.
Dark souls lore... really makes you think...
>>339579396
>spam the same charge attack at different speed
Wow, what a fun boss fight.
The track is p.good, I'll give you that.
>>339577536
Where's that from? Dark Souls 2 design works?
>>339577536
TINY
HEAD
>>339578206
only if it's your first souls game
ok but who is the worst boss in the entire series?
>>339580376
Bed of Chaos
Why is that even a question?
>>339580376
>>339580424
Who's the worst actual boss in the series, faggot.
>>339580424
It's not how you spell skeleton lords
>>339580376
Ancient Dragon
>>339580474
This is the final boss of Demon's Souls...
woah...
>>339580135
I played the series in release order
BB = DS2 > DS3 > DeS > DS1
>>339580569
Not even the worst DS2 boss.
Prowling Manus is the same thing without summoning and being much weaker.
>>339578663
This. It's not a perfect game, but at least it tried something new.
>>339580635
Ancient Dragon is just the Gaping Dragon of DS2
Expect it has a less interesting design.
You need to be retarded against both in order to die, both have a shitload of HP and both hit hard.
>>339579018
What do you mean by backwards? I never really got a grasp on yhorm's story
>>339580563
That is an actual boss.
>>339580819
I don't remember Gaping Dragon having very much HP.
>>339580868
For you meeting it rather early in the most cases it does have a lot of HP.
>>339577536
Not even the best in his own DLC.
Sir Alonne > Rebel scum with a mommy complex
>>339577365
>Jumps into the pit
>Joined by one knight
>After killing the first wave, he runs, locks the portal behind him
>gets the thought of being betrayed. Scared.
>Managing to destroy the knights anyway
>That build up
>Huge pillars appear, portal opened
>I'm sweating right now
>Some figure coming out of the portal
>Ivory King
>Trying to focus
>Knights everywhere
>Feels like a mouse trapped inside a pot
>Used all my heals
>Took 30 minutes to kill him
Dark Souls 2 DLCs are the best ones so far. I'd had so much fun and unique experiences while playing.
>>339577365
>that badass entrance after fighting 100000 of his burnt knights
Jesus christ. One of the best moments me and my dick ever felt.
>when your own knights respect you so much that they jump into the pit of hell knowing they will never return
>all to protect the one they love and the world
The Dark 2 DLCs were definitely better than the abortion of a base game, but I still think they were pretty mediocre. And they didn't even fix any of the basic control issues or soul memory or anything.
>>339581351
MILLIONS of people did exactly that to stop the nazis in WW2.
>>339581453
OK Mr. Buzzkill!
>>339580376
Probably one of the bosses in Dark 2 I can't even remember.
That Congregation one, I'd say. Or Covetous Demon. Or Old Dragonslayer, or the second Dragonrider, or Freja, or Old Demon King.
I'd say Old Demon King, actually.
>>339580376
Ancient Dragon is the worst but at least it's optional. Worst mandatory is probably Bed of Chaos.
>>339581438
Absolutely agreed, I wouldn't want to play those awful bland areas, and fight those boring gimmick bosses. I would much rather be playing Dark Souls 1 where the evels such as Duke's Archives and Lost Izalith are of the highest quality. If only Myazaki was there to make the game himself like he died with all his other games. fucking B team
>>339581531
What's wrong with the Old Demon King?
>>339580474
People still don't get the Allant 'fight'?
>>339577365
>DeS
Penetrator
>DaS
Kalameet
>DaSII
Fume Knight
>BB
Ludwig
>DaSIII
Champ
>>339581438
>basic control issues
Just because you didn't like the controls doesn't mean it was an issue.
>>339581591
>Fight is shit
>OMG it's bad because the lore! That makes it okay, obviously you didnt get it!
Everytime.
A fucking preschooler can 'get' King Allant. That doesn't make it a non shitty fight.
>>339581579
I thought the bosses were pretty good, but the areas were still pretty bland.
Fume Knight, Ivory King and Sinh were all very nice bosses, Elana, Alonne and Aava were OK, and the 'co-op' bosses were all abortions. That's a better track record than the base game, at least, where most of the bosses were abortions.
>>339581583
He's pic related. Has the same moves too.
>>339581668
>Kalameet
Aw, c'mon, both Arty and Manus were better.
>>339581531
All of those bosses were just dissapointing, none were actually legitimately fucking terrible.
Bed of chaos is the only legitimately FUCKING TERRIBLE boss in the whole series. There are a lot of shit bosses, but none that come close to the level of garbage that BoC set for the rest of the series.
>>339581579
>Dark Souls' two or three bad areas are worse than Dark 2's all bad areas
Dark Souls 2 is like if Izalith were an entire video game.
>>339581736
This doesn't explain anything.
>>339581583
Sorry, I meant Old Iron King.
Old Demon King is OK, if a bit bland.
>>339580376
1. Bed of Chaos
2. Asylum Demon and its other 2 reskins
3. Red Dragon from Demon Souls
Dark Souls 2 or Dark Souls 3 bosses never are really truly shit. They are mediocre at worst like Ancient Dragon.
Meanwhile DaS has truly horrible fights like Moonlight Butterfly, Ceaseless Discharge and the one mentioned.
Actually - The only fights i actually liked in DaS1 were the ones against Sif, OandS, Manus, Calameet, the Guardians and Artorias. The rest was pretty fucking mediocre.
I just don't get Dark 2 fags. I know most of it is bait, but some of them seem to be serious.
I mean, the game has nothing to offer. Nothing at all. It's like defending styrofoam as a food. There's just nothing positive about it.
>>339581779
Definitely agreed, Dark Souls 2 is like if I literally held people by gunpoint and made them make bad level designs. It's just a shame that there are people who actually enjoyed Dark Souls 2 and thought it was anything other than complete trash. I want to line those people up on the streets and gun them down one by one like the degenerates they are.
>>339581779
Don't even joke about that anon
>>339577365
I want to play Dark Souls II, but all I have is an Xbone and my PC is too shit to run anything.
Is Xbone DaS2 alive, by any chance?
>>339581779
lol
>>339581953
there's bone fists
literally the one reason to play in ds2
unfortunately it's cockblocked behind 1m SM or playing past 4 lords which is a fucking atrocity
>>339582034
I played SotF on the Xbone recently with a friend. It's decently active considering that Ds3 is out now.
>>339577365
He's not even majestic
Ludwig is definitely the best Souls boss, and one of my favourite bosses in video games.
From a gameplay perspective, a lore perspective and a cinematic perspective he's perfect.
>>339582003
Most people who act like DaS2 is the worst game ever are just parroting Mentosmatosis video.
Which is funny because that guy likes Lost Izalith
>i fell in love with the game after entering Lost Izalith
>the level design is on point
>it has that handcrafted feel
>>339582189
Not even good b8
>>339582189
You should avoid making your bait so obvious.
>>339582176
Ludwig has less complex moveset than Orphan although he's better in terms of music and overall atmosphere.
I honestly don't know if DS3 DLC will top them. Hopefully we will see some characters game was hinting at since the first DS like allfather Lloyd or bishop Havel himself, they could be a material for a godly boss fight.
>>339582189
I agree.
>>339582565
>random gods that don't really mean much
Why would they be bosses? They're just bits of lore.
DLC bosses will probably be something to do with the Deep, the Profaned Flame (pic related) or the Angels.
>>339582565
>allfather Lloyd
Isn't Lloyd a made-up god? Not a god in DS sense, but like YHVH.
>>339580993
>>339579396
Nah, Fume Knight is much better designed. Alonne has a lot of dumb "anime flair" to his attacks.
Fume Knight's attacks are pretty simple; he has a fast sword with less telegraphing, and a big sword that takes him a moment to swing. In the second phase, he does 2-handed attacks that are done more quickly. Every part of this is pretty intuitive, it makes sense to anyone just by looking at the boss and his weaponry.
Alonne, on the other hand, seems to nonsensically "charge" all of his attacks, and this is used as justification for him zooming towards the player (without any footsteps or any kind of animation, really) to do an attack. It simultaneously makes him less fair and easier; less fair because the attack and it's animation (or lack thereof) makes no sense and could easily catch someone off guard on their first attempt, but easier because he does it over and over again, leaving himself wide open almost every time.
>>339577365
Does anyone actually enjoy running to that boss from the bonfire? I don't get why they put that shit in the game.
>>339582565
>not Velka
>>339582764
>Does anyone actually enjoy running to that boss from the bonfire?
You mean through the one big empty room? What's wrong with it?
>>339577479
He doesn't have any of the AOEs, mixups or grabs that Allant had.
He's closer to Gwyn, sort of a shittier Fume or Alonne. Except Fume had the AOE and Alonne at that dash that punished the FUCK out of reactive rolling.
Still, a good fight. You don't have to be the best to be good. Hated it when I killed the second wave too quickly so that last door doesn't get sealed until it spawns one last guy for the Ivory King fight.
>>339582764
I don't like it, but I honestly think the game's just too slow to have that Ys boss die-respawn-die-respawn dealio. Needs the buffer.
Ludwig the Holy Blade, for being amazing in every way
Abyss Watchers, for being a fun fight with a really interesting mechanic
Orphan of Kos, for being simply brain smashingly tough
My top three bosses
>>339582718
Made-up god is a good material for an Angel-themed DLC.
>>339583002
Ludwig's moveset is too boring for me to really like it, but I liked the presentation.
>>339582718
He's just a regular old god who was the founder of the Way of White.
>>339583002
>two darkwraiths came close to the entrance to a boss fight once
>one of the abyss watchers casually fucking DUNKED them through a fog wall in like one attack
>>339580712
>DeS > DS1
What.
>>339577365
>people say the ivory knight is awesome
>force myself through the DLCs because that's apparently one of the redeeming qualities
>finally reach him
>now fight a bunch of regular tall knights
>saturated SFX shitfest with cheap glowing effects on the door as the boss appears
>the "boss" is a rescaled regular tall knight with a different coat of paint
Just because it's less shit than the rest doesn't make it good you know.
>>339581438
What control issues? DS2 had the best ones in the series.
>>339583227
Not him but people tend to forget how weak Dark Souls gets after you get the Soulvessel.
>>339582874
ops, i don't know why i was thinking we were talking about sir alonne.
>>339583274
>it's a deadzone apologist episode
>>339581724
>take a regular blob of shit
>add health bar on bottom of the screen
>Watch Soulsfag taking it as a boss that somehow should be as challenging as any other boss, crying about it while they don't understand their own series
>>339583285
Lordvessel i mean
>>339583002
>Abyss Watchers
Fuck no get these uninspired artificial difficulty cunts out of my game.
>>339582718
>YHVH
Here we go
>>339582131
Guess I'll try it out. I'll look out for a sale.
>>339583339
>deadzones that are only active when walking at the slowest speed and go away immediately when trying to move in a circle at literally any other speed
>>339583227
It was pretty forgettable compared to all the others, and (outside the DLC) it has the worst bosses.
It doesn't have a single area that makes me think "damn, I want to replay DaS1 just so I can do that part again".
>>339583412
>artificial difficulty
Ah-bebe-bebe-bebe ah-thatha-thatha-thathat's all folks!
>>339583339
Besides spinning around your character in place real fast, what other issues does the deadzones add?
After platforming a bit in Burme Tower, they're actually useful at preventing falls and seem to be intended for this.
Also regarding movement I honesty miss the 5+ walking speeds DS2 had.
>>339581668
>ludwig
>not logarius
>>339583474
>it's a posting completely untrue made up rubbish episode
>>339583416
>believing in the "God of gods"
>2016
>>339583285
Except for Izalith, the post-Lordvessel areas still maintain a higher quality than most DaS2. The level DaS1 hits when it "falls apart" is about the same level DaS2 reaches when it shines.
>>339583576
I bet you browse /x/
>>339583486
>gank boss
>only one actually takes damage towards its hp bar, even though the boss name is Abyss Watchers, plural
>refills its HP and buffs its weapon when you "kill" it the first time
Why people think this stupid shit is fun is fucking beyond me.
>>339577365
>DeS
False King Allant, for the same reasons as everyone else.
>DaS
I didn't really like any of them. Gwyn, but the First Kiln is an annoying sequence of parry-fishing.
>DaS2
Fume Knight, Alonne, either or.
Props to DaS2 for having the worst fucking final bosses in the series. I liked the game otherwise.
>Bloodborne
Liked most besides inexcusable shit like Witch of Hemwick.
Orphan of Kos, because unlike Maria or Gehrman it balanced being punishable with getting punished perfectly.
Haven't played DaS3.
>>339583546
Pirate it and boot it up yourself if you really think I'm lying. The only time you would ever have to walk slowly is when you're navigating narrow platforms.
>>339583695
Or when you're collecting some shit that's on the edge, which is often.
Backsteps there for that at least.
>>339583663
>boss that fights itself
People who don't think this amazing shit is fun are fucking beyond me.
>>339582718
He's gwyn's uncle
>>339583589
Nah. The only area that nearly reaches Lost Izalith shittiness in DaS2 is The Shrine of Amana
Besides that the areas are meh-okayish-fine. While the visuals can be pretty imposing at times DaS2 had the problem to give the areas some sort of ''life''
Techically they aren't bad. The only real issue is the connection between Earthen Peak and Iron Keep
>>339583784
Shrine of Amana didn't rape your fucking eyes and didn't end with fucking Bed of Chaos, it isn't Lost Izalith tier.
>>339583692
>inexcusable shit like Witch of Hemwick.
It's a fun fight with a neat gimmick.
Not everything needs to be an epic 1v1 hunter duel. Things like that and Micolash help keep the fights from becoming stale.
>>339583743
>game rolls the dice to decide whether the red eyed watcher aggros you or the others
yeah fun
>>339583784
>Shrine of Amana
>bad
Nah, it's pretty much the best non-DLC area in the game. Earthen Peak, Harvest Valley, and Shaded Ruins are infinitely worse.
>>339583692
>Liked most besides inexcusable shit like Witch of Hemwick.
Yeah, it was a weird one. One of those fights where they tried to test how much you've been paying attention to game mechanics, but it was a mechanic that they hadn't really put enough work into.
>>339583886
this desu
>>339583882
That why i said - Nearly.
Amana is still fucking awful with annoying enemies copypasted all over the place.
If you are a pure melee build it adds extra suffering.
Not to mention that making one wrong step in the water can result into an instant death.
>>339583886
It wasn't a fun fight at all, Mad Ones don't aggro unless you fuck their ass and the only attack the Witch's had that got you was that jank fucking stun gun that always blindsided you for a grab.
Micolash sucked ass too.
You know what was a fun fight with a neat gimmick? Living Failures. Lot of people didn't like that but I thought it was 4 Kings done right.
>>339583784
>the vomit painted clusterfuck that is Brightstone Cove
>the Rotten's area
>The Lost Bastille
>Huntsman's Copse
>Harvest Valley
>The Windmill
>Shaded Woods
>Dragon Shrine
All fucking horrible.
>>339583895
Red eye always aggros the others, unless you attack him.
Dark souls 3 had the most FAIR and FUN bosses of the series, but prepare to die bosses are still the best.
>>339581953
why is everyone who posts this image a fuckng retard
>>339577901
Velstadt is explicitly described as being "from a faraway land" so more likely he was simply from Shulva instead of some manus daughter psychic link
>>339583692
>inexcusable shit like Witch of Hemwick.
A slighly harder pinwheel that can summon weak enemies you can 2 shot is inexcusable?
Come on.
Rom is worse if you hate bullshit that can one shot you when it feels like it.
>>339584014
It's an anime reaction face, nuff said.
Worst final boss?
>>339583984
>Red eye always aggros the others
Str8 fuckin lie
>>339583412
Congratulations for worst opinion of the thread. Literally the coolest boss in the game.
>>339584109
>Literally the coolest boss in the game.
Yeah if you're into Evanescence and Linkin Park.
Be sure to remember to buy your Dark Souls 3 graphic tee next time you visit the Hot Topic, faggot.
>>339583976
>Not to mention that making one wrong step in the water can result into an instant death.
You can use the torch to see the depth, but honestly the area to walk on is massive.
I can see the pain for a pure melee build, after my first playthrough I've made sure to at least have a bow on me. But even those enemies don't compare to the dragon asses that would just jump offscreen and be a crapshoot as to whether they'd get a free 60% on your healthbar.
>>339584089
No, the problem with the Witch of Hemwick is - whatever, I've stated it here >>339583979
It ain't about difficulty.
>>339584097
Not sure.
Gwyn being parryable by everyone who isn't completely shit makes it hard.
Atleast that makes her slightly harder. Though she is still far too easy to beat. Those curse gems are a joke.
>>339584171
Nice meme, bro. 2000 was 16 years ago.
>>339584097
I'll always speak highly of Bloodborne, but Yharnam was the worst boss fight.
>deeply challenging long series of dungeons
>putting you at your best while hampering you at every turn
>get to final boss
>slow movements
>almost npc levels of aggression
>shadow clones that can be one-shotted with the pistol, the weapon that does the lowest damage in all of bloodborne
>no strategy at all
>if you get hit, it literally is your fault, even if you're going in blind
>>339584180
Nah, Gehrman is parry bait, Gwyn's 3-combo mixup punished parry fishing hard since the startup is hard to read.
But both are still way more fun than Miss "hug my ass and avoid my super fucking easy scythe swings". Although the constant curse is fucking annoying without the blessing/hollow skin.
>>339584176
I rather liked that at first it seems there's only one but then another HP bar appears, out of all the pinwheel clones like Crystal sage, Rat vanguards and Fools Idol, I liked this version the best.
>>339578580
>so goddamn chivalrous he turns an evil queen into a pure maiden
>>339584256
>triggered
>>339584097
DS3 and Demon Souls are the only games with really good final bosses.
>>339584261
Yharnam isn't the final boss.
>>339584276
Can Fool's Idol be called a Pinwheel clone when it came first?
I liked Idol's traps but even with her clones she just ate shit since Demon's Souls pacing is fucked by design so anyone with a lick of sense leaves Tower of Latria to last.
>>339584304
Here's your reply.
>>339584319
She's the final boss of the dungeons, which are the final part of the game.
>>339578663
>a mary sue king story is the best lore
GTFO out of here
>>339584270
Her real problem isn't hugging, it's that she does her laser every time you heal away from her.
So you can just pop a lifegem, have her do her slow forward laser, and hit her like 5 times with a fast weapon then back up and repeat.
>>339584385
Who was the mary sue?
>>339584385
Hey, some people are just great.
The Iron King on the other side was a nerd who couldn't have done shit without Sir Alonne
>>339578663
>Dark Souls 2 had the best lore.
>>339584313
>gwyn reskin
>really good final boss
>>339584385
one mythic hero king out of 2 losers and a literally who isn't bad
>>339583979
>Mad Ones don't aggro unless you fuck their ass
Yes, the fight would be terrible if it were kiting several running enemies. And it would be tedious if every single one aggro'd immediately and had to be killed. It could have benefited from a few more Mad ones, or perhaps have them path randomly so that there's a greater chance of bumping into them while they're near a witch. Still, it's a boss with a lot of tricks to confuse you; the enemy you're presented with isn't the one you should be fighting, the boss is invisible, there's actually 2 of them, they revive each other... once you know them all, it's trivial, but I liked a boss that was all about deception.
>that jank fucking stun gun that always blindsided you for a grab
I mean, they glow before they shoot it, and it's a giant glowing projectile. Avoid it.
>>339584438
what kind of brain damage results in people reading "lore" as "world design"
>>339584512
The internet. No fucking clue how so many people can't read in this textual medium.
>>339584487
>I mean, they glow before they shoot it, and it's a giant glowing projectile. Avoid it.
Not useful when you're looking in the other direction because they're fucking invisible and spawn nearly at random.
I don't mind the concept of the boss, and I do agree that variety is required for novelty, since novelty is inherent to entertainment, but it's the execution that I thought made for a dogshit boss.
>>339578663
The DLC had some of the best lore of the series but the base game's kinda shit for that. Some neat stories here and there but can't beat Sir Alonne's story, or Velsatldt and Raime's split.
>>339584512
>half of Dark 2's lore is shitty references and sunbro memes
>the only good lore in Dark 2 was added with the DLC
>>339584512
>wow, i never knew this world was so rich with history. the king must've built an iron keep above the windmill and filled the ozone layer with lava to keep demons away, fascinating.
>>339577365
How? hes a generic melee boss with a annoying gauntlet that waste your time
>>339584440
>ignoring the first half of the fight
>ignoring that Second half had twice as many moves as gwyn
kys. Soul of Cinder might not be an amazing boss, but he's definitely better than Gwyn and that pile of shit Nashandra. I found Gherman better though, although I though he was too easy.
>>339584512
Who gives a fuck about "lore" when the setting its in is an absolute mess and has no imagination put into it?
>>339584604
And 100% of DS3's lore is shitty references and memes
>>339583895
literally all you have to do is wait for the red one to be in the vicinity of the other and boom half of the abyss watchers is taken care of
you can easily parry a watchers and/or dodge and backstab them
his final phase is easily telegraphed, just packs a punch
seriously it's fun and simple to beat him solo, and I usually casual out and have bros come along but my third play through all solo, all fun
>>339584604
>90% of Dark 3 is shitty references and memes
>it has no lore at all
>>339584776
>he summons phantoms when he already has the boss with him fighting the boss
>>339584778
il take a 90% refrences if it feels like its part of the same universe.
unlike Ds2 which feels like a lazy fan game and then they just shoe horned in "huur this is actually the souls of "remember that guy from the last game" huur"
>>339584604
>calls DaS2 fanservice wank for bringing back sunfags and referencing Gwyn in one of the lightning miracles
>meanwhile DaS3 is yet another flawless Miyazaki masterpiece while doing nothing BUT fanservice for DaS1 fags in every way
>>339584778
>>339584749
>continuation of a story is memes
This is some fucking high calibur shitposting.
Rehashing a favourite boss for no reason is a shitty reference. Actually putting internet memes into Sunlight covenant items is a shitty reference.
Dark 3 is a sequel that builds upon the original. If it were like Dark 3 then Artorias would literally be a boss.
>>339584862
No shit it "feels like the same universe", it's just the same universe with the saturation bumped down to 10%
>>339584862
>a lazy fan game and then they just shoe horned in "huur this is actually the souls of "remember that guy from the last game" huur"
This is L I T E R A L L Y DS3 though. How the fuck do you not see it?
>aldritch in dark souls 3 is a bloodborne fanboy and the deacons of the deep are sonyggers
Not even joking,
Dark 2 fags are just embarassing.
>>339584887
>Dark 3 is a sequel that builds upon the original
In what way? In what fucking way?
>>339583979
fuck the living failures, fuck them, the only boss i hated from the old hunters. even after figuring out their mechanic i fucking despised the process.
>>339584945
>>339584869
DaS2 has fewer references, but they're all "Hey! Remember Dark Souls 1?"
DaS3 has more references, and about half them are that, while the other half are just natural continuations of things from DaS1.
>>339584947
Not an argument.
>>339585006
>DS3 DLC
>your character sits in a corner in the Firelink Shrine and takes a nap
>wake up in Yharnam
>>339585000
It continues the story and concludes it, instead of ignoring it all and writing a terrible fanfiction story that doesn't add anything to the universe.
>>339585040
What references in Dark 3 are "HEY REMEMBER DARK SOULS?" Seigward I'll give you, but even he has a unique quest.
>>339585002
"Figuring out their mechanic"? Riposte and backstab their retarded flailing while using the daisy to block ice shards?
>>339584604
You know for all the shit everyone gives Dark Souls 3 about rehashing shit, at least the lore in it gave some closure to stuff from DS1, unlike DS2 who just referenced for meme's sake and never really expanded on it. We got to know what ended up happening to Gwyndolin, Quelana and the Fair Lady, the demons, the firstborn, Artorias's legend, Gwynevere(kinda), Anor Londo, Kaathe and a lot of other shit. Also there was a bunch of new stuff like the profaned capital, pontiff did nothing wrong, Carthus, the deep, Lothric and the princes, Gertrude and the serpents/angels, Londor, and more stuff. The only people who rip on DS3 for continuing the story are DS2fags who are still butthurt their game was shit.
>>339585061
You're right. There is no argument, they're just plain cringe inducing.
>>339585006
>3 candle candelabra
>this means its the same as a 7 candle holder
you faggots grasp at anything
>>339585098
>Marvelous Chester says hi
>>339585102
>and concludes it
No, it doesn't. Even the Firekeeper says "Hey even though you're taking out the fire, there will always be embers to make it again."
The cycle still continues, retard.
>>339584840
i know that's what I'm saying
first time blind play through i was a scared pansy no idea what i was getting into
second and third it was cake
i'm not justifying my casualness
but >>339583895>>339583663 can't accept it
>>339585156
I like that this is the only thing you can think to reply with. The only problem you can imagine is that there aren't as many candles.
>>339585147
I don't even get WHY Dark 2 fags are so butthurt. Why do they care so much about such a bad game?
>>339585168
>put out the fire
>that's it, it's done
>maybe someday men will make their own fire, but this world, the world of the First Flame is gone forever
I honestly can't believe how many people didn't get what that ending was saying.
>>339585114
yeah and running to the left if i miss the riposte. it was just tedious and overdrawn, at least in my experience. either cause i was underleved or just wrong weapons used, not sure. all I know is it was my least favorite is all
>>339585359
my bad, i mean missing the backstab/visceral
>>339584778
>lothic royal family saga and the angel worshipping
>the abyss watcher lore
>yohrm lore and the relation with seigward
>P.Sully the Aizen of dark souls 3
>Aldritch the absolute madman devourer of boypussy
>Nameless king and new info of Ornstein.
>90%lore is rehashed shit
yeah go suck a fucking dick man.
>>339585359
Hah, maybe. What level were you? 60-70 is primetime DLC time.
>>339585275
I have no idea. I mean I don't really hate DS2, but I only gave it one playthrough, and another for Scholar of the first sin, which I admit made it into a polished turd, and moved on. I don't even think about it anymore. I don't go out of my way to shitpost about it, or say it was shit compared to other souls games. But DS2fags are just so angry that they have to spam every Dark Souls thread with
>muh ds2 was better than 3
>muh lore and rehashes
It's embarassing at this point.
>>339585040
>natural continuation
>nothing is continued, everything is rehashed, even the endings are the same
Dark Souls 2 and 3 shouldn't have existed in the first place, but having direct sequels are a moronic idea. Dark 2 built upon the universe by adding to its laws. Dark 3 was nothing but "dude remember other better souls games lmao" with content constantly shoehorned. It answered questions that people have long stopped giving a shit about and left everyone in the dark in the important parts.
But please explain to me how Storm Ruler and Andre are actually extremely deep lore, and not even more blatantly stupid than a lame covenant or an optional boss.
>>339585482
>Dark 2 built upon the universe
Except it added nothing to the universe at all.
>>339585580
It added a new story building onto the curse of humanity itself rather than "Hey the fires going out again be a good lass and throw yourself k thnx"
>>339585482
stormruler and andre are pure fanservice but nothing beat old dragonslayer and sunbro meme item description.
>>339585102
Siegward.
Andre. Considering that there are a few stone Blacksmiths in DaS1, it could be that there's multiple people who look identical to Andre, but I'd say that since he recognizes the Giant's Coal that he's supposed to be the one you met in DaS1.
Kirk, once again returning as an invader who does so to serve some pretty covenant leader.
Ringfinger Leonhard's questline playing out exactly like the Anastacia of Astora/Lautrec questline.
Half-and-half is being uncharitable. Although part of that is because I was probably thinking of the "Hey, remember Demon's Souls?" references like the Storm Ruler, Karla, and Yuria asking you to kill Orbeck (A request that seemed nonsensical, since he's obviously not hollow and never says anything about the King of Hollows.) Since it makes no sense, I assume it's just a reference to Mephistopheles asking you to kill users of the Soul Arts in DeS, since it's a masked woman asking you to kill a magician for a Demon's Souls weapon.
>>339585451
I was 58 with a plus 9 tonitrus and plus five blunderbuss because of those easy parries.
>>339585804
Oh. Tonitrus. Yeah. That might be your problem.
And IDK about the easy parries, man. It drops off hard, might want to keep both a blunderbuss and a pistol on you.
Patches is the best.
He outlived everything in demons souls and dark souls just to come back and fuck you over in dark souls 3
>>339585757
I don't understand the problem with small references like Yuria, Stormruler or Karla.
It's just minor nods to previous games.
It's not like Dark 2's "HEY REMEMBER ORNSTEIN? HEY YOU GUYS LIKED ORNSTEIN RIGHT? HERE'S ORNSTEIN! DO YOU LIKE IT?" bullshit. Or that one item that actually fucking says "But the brilliance of our magnificent father will never wane", or something like that. There's a difference between nodding toward Demon's Souls and shoving poorly thought out fanservice in our faces.
>>339584862
> which feels like a lazy fan game and then they just shoe horned in "huur this is actually the souls of "remember that guy from the last game" huur"
And this is different in Ds3 how? It isn't. Except it's okay when Miyazaki does it.
>>339585482
Dark 2 didn't have shit for story. It's just "a story in the dark souls universe". The characters were anime-levels of two dimensional for the most part and the most interesting commentary it made was just a simplified, trite reiteration of the themes from the first game. The NPCs never come close to the depth seen in DS1, Bloodborne or DS3.
>>339584334
Funny you say that, I'm playing Demons's Souls pretty much blind and Latria was somewhat my first area. I did Fool's Idol as my third boss or something and I must have lucked out because I oneshot her. Even fell on her traps a couple times but she just didn't kill me. I had way more trouble with the fucking cthulu head lantern guys, those were a pain in the ass I'm still not even exactly sure how to deal with them and I've cleared all of 3 by now.
I left Latria for a while when I got to the Maneaters, that's true. Then after it the final boss of Latria was like the easiest boss fight ever, some dude with claws that did 5% of my hp and could be backstabbed without even really trying.
All I have left to do is the last boss of world 1, just killed Old Dorian yesterday.
>>339586007
>It's not like Dark 2's "HEY REMEMBER ORNSTEIN? HEY YOU GUYS LIKED ORNSTEIN RIGHT? HERE'S ORNSTEIN! DO YOU LIKE IT?" bullshit
Definitely agreed. I'm glad Miyazaki is above petty fan service and pandering. Imagine if we had shit like THAT in Dark Souls 3! That would be awful.
>>339585757
Leonhard is a totally different character from Lautrec. That you can't see past the superficial relations makes it seem like you didn't even complete it/totally ignored the dialogue. I get that the dialogue in DS2 was mostly meaningless flavor, but you do actually have to pay attention to the other games if you want to understand them.
>>339585720
How so? Old Dragonslayer is an obvious imposter, and could easily be interpreted as a title or class of individuals, in the same way that Havel has soldiers that wear the same equipment.
On the other hand, Storm Ruler exists only as a reference, and makes Yhorm one of the shittiest gimmick fights in the series.
>>339586058
Because each "meme" in Dark 3 is a believable and fitting continuation/conclusion of a story from Dark Souls.
In Dark 2 Ornstein is just a shitty boss that makes no sense.
In Dark 3 Artorias' story is expanded with the Abyss Watchers, warriors who followed his ideals and fought the Abyss.
>>339586158
I know you think you're clever, but the Dragonslayer Armor is a completely different entity to Ornstein, and the boss fight is completely different as well. Ornstein's story is expanded in Archdragon Peak lore, rather than just cramming him lazily into the game.
>>339586271
>a believable and fitting continuation/conclusion of a story from Dark Souls.
dude
ANDRE
lmao
>>339586127
>Then after it the final boss of Latria was like the easiest boss fight ever
You will always lose this fight if someone gets summoned, fucking pain at the time of my playthrough.
Otherwise have fun. Mindflayers I deal with by pure damage, but otherwise they only have two attacks and both are super easy to dodge.
>>339586324
>one character with no lore, no backstory, no importance to anything who doesn't even impact the story
>completely ignoring all the other Dark Souls stories that were expanded on in interesting ways
Andre is just fanservice, and his existence does no harm at all. He's a fucking merchant NPC.
Would you rather their fanservice were Quelaag just appearing as a boss with Dark particle effects, no new moves and completely in contradiction with her canon death and place in the universe?
>>339586271
Dude what the fuck I'm agreeing with you? I'm really glad Ds3 didn't have shitty references to like, say, a shitty Demon's Souls gimmick boss, or just shallow references. Like imagine if they let you go to Anor Londo but only a small bit just to show off you're in Anor Londo but they do nothing else with it. Pretty stupid, right? Or what if they just straight up ripped characters out from different places and times and put them in the same game, like Creighton and Andre? Now THAT would be stupid fanservice
>>339586158
>HEY REMEMBER ANDRE?
>HEY REMEMBER SIEGMEYER??
>HEY REMEMBER GWYN???
>>339586516
>her canon death
Well, one of Gwyndolin's artifacts does state that he's the last diety in Anor Londo, and the other illusions DO give you souls.
Only problem is that if you dispel the illusion early, Ornsteins there. But otherwise it's not a big deal, and as far as retcons go I thought it was an okay one.
>>339586573
Sorry, you sounded sarcastic. Nobody on /v/ uses exclamation marks with any sincerity.
>>339586596
Yeah, I do remember Andre.
Yeah, I do remember Seigmeyer, and now I also know Seigward who frankly I like more.
And yeah, I better fucking remember Gwyn, one of the most important characters in this series.
>>339586647
I'm talking about Dark 2.
Ornstein is just there for no reason. It'd be like Quelaag just appearing out of nowhere.
I'm glad Dark 3 retconned that bullshit.
>>339586248
I never said they were identical characters. Even if he's doing it for different reasons, you're still doing the exact same thing to complete the questline. In DaS1, returning to a useful bonfire only to discover it's unlit provokes a strong reaction, and having to fight all the way to Anor Londo to apprehend the killer is a cool, original thing to that game. It's compared to Yurt, but it goes through a very different sequence of events.
In DaS3, returning to Rosaria's room to find the Black Eye Orb just made me think "Oh, they're doing this again?" Even more absurd is that it takes you to the same building just to drive home the reference to the fight you had with Lautrec there. Having Leonhard mimic a character from a previous game cheapens his actions and his motivations.
>>339586654
>Seigmeyer and Seigward both wear the same armor, have the same quest structure, same personality, and have THE SAME VOICE ACTOR
Wow totally different character. Amazing Miyazaki, amazing. He does it again.
>>339586763
I really do like how you're focusing on the one bit of egregious fanservice, while ignoring that Dark 2 is crammed full of it, and that Dark 3 has tons of well written lore expansion, AND that you're claiming all that expansion of the story is just memes and fanservice.
I really, really like this bait.
>>339586730
And that's what I was referring to with Ornstein.
And they didn't retcon it, they rolled with it and said that Ornstein left his post. The only way Dark Souls 3 retconned Dark Souls 2 is by reverting back to Dark Souls 1 geography.
And giving a giant a face, but whatever hole-faces are a minor design element and Hawkeye Gough's eyeholes being clogged wouldn't make much sense with them.
Why can't people just like all the games in the franchise for what they are?
>>339586854
>while ignoring that Dark 2 is crammed full of it
Like 2 miracle descriptions meming that gross incandescence. You're full of shit.
>>339586875
Shut the fuck up.
>>339586516
>i-it's okay to blatantly rehash because I don't care about him
Nice try friend. He's an immortal NPC and has exclusive access to some of the most important functions of the game. Old Dragonslayer is a shallow reference but is an optional boss for an insignificant covenant. Furthermore, it can be handwaved since he's silver and uses hexes, and can easily be assumed to be an imposter, unlike Andre who remembers the Giant.
>no new moves
Wrong
>canon death
The story is an absolute joke if you take it too seriously. Ornstein is still alive until at least DS3 despite the fact that you get a unique soul with his presence. But I'm guessing that Gwyndolin's magic is just THAT good.
>>339586737
Every game has a Yurt knockoff.
Leonhart is poorly done, but being a knockoff isn't his problem. The fact that he kills one character who isn't even important, and doesn't inconvenience you at all is his problem.
>>339586862
Giant anatomy isn't consistent.
I'd say there's two species of giants. Or maybe the Dark 2 giants are hollowed. Or they were just partially retconned.
>>339586875
Because when a game is uninspired or unfinished, there's no reason to like it as a whole.
>>339586939
And an awful boss, and all the retarded lord soul garbage. Which reminds me, the Dark 2 writers literally forgot one of the first bits of lore in the series. They gave the dragon in the memory a soul. That's just embarrassing, really.
>>339586939
Fine, I'll just be busy enjoying my video games, having fun, and not being a cynical twat like you.
>>339585482
>nothing is continued
>what is Gwyndolin got eaten
>what it Anor Londor got taken over by a crazy undead sorcerer
>what is Gwynevere came back and married Oceiros
>what it the first born is finally revealed and Solairefags got BTFO
>what is Demon's and Chaos flame died out
>what is Quelana went back to her sister and died with her
>what is Abyss Watchers continued Artorias's will, or at least tried
>what is Kaathe rules over a kingdom of hollows and seeks a dark lord
>what is the mushrooms got genocided and darkroot fell into the abyss
>what is firelink fell to the abyss
>what is the firstborn being revealed and killed, as well as the reason he got banished being revealed
>what is Priscilla had a daughter that escaped the painted world
>what is many kingdoms such as Astora, Catarina confirmed long gone, while Vinheim and Carim are still around
>what is Logan's crystal sorceries getting a cult following
>what is Ornstein being confirmed alive, or at least was alive during DS1
Hell they even continue some stuff from ds2, like Manus shards being confirmed still around doing shit, Vendrick going down in history as a failure and a cunt, rather than a tragic hero, the giants turning into trees, and Creighton being the true murderer.
>Endings are the same
One ending is you linking the fire and continuing the cycle. The other is you letting the flame die peacefully and beginning an age separate from the age of Dark or Fire. The third is you usurping the fire, and taking control of whatever power it holds, becoming the last Lord/God over what's left, and the Fourth is you ushering in the Age of Dark as the Lord of Hollows, with Londor backing you up as your kingdom, and possibly being manupulated by Kaather.
Storm ruler is just a reference. They could have named it nigger killer and could have had it shoot lasers, it still would have been the same shit. Andre is there simply because people know him, so as fanservice. You're so retarded it hurts.
>>339586948
>sequel in a series has returning elements and characters
WOOOOOOW
>>339586982
>Dark 2 tries to be original by not having Patches, Yurt or Garl Vinland expies
>it winds up having way more cringey, badly handled fanservice than any other game
>having to collect 4 lord souls againts to have audience with king/royalty
>the 4 lord souls are a cheap knockoff previous lord souls with worse stupid looking uninspired design boss
>b-b-bbut atleast dark souls 2 does thing differently.
every single time.
>>339586854
Sieg(meyer)ward is literally a character from the first game ripped out and shoved into the third just as fanservice. But when Ds3 literally reuses an NPC, it's just harmless fan service! But when Ds2 references something, WHAT THE FUCK? This is an outrage! By the way, Seigward is actually the most extensive NPC in the game along with Anri! He and Anri have the longest quest lines with Seigward's being the most interactive. But according to you, it's just harmless fan service, you can easily just ignore it!
>>339586875
Because not all the games are good.
It's pretty simple.
>>339587069
>They gave the dragon in the memory a soul. That's just embarrassing, really.
The only embarrassing thing here is your reading comprehension.
Sinh is the only dragon with a soul. The only reason to think dragons don't have souls is because of DS1's incredibly arbitrary definition of what constitutes a soul. Dragons can possess souls and their bones can be used to create souls, but the dragons themselves can't have them?
>>339587069
>They gave the dragon in the memory a soul
Huh, yeah that is a total fuckup.
Sinh too. Kalameet gives souls too IIRC, but overall it's a missed opportunity for lore enforcement.
>>339587286
You're trying so hard to grasp at straws right now.
How is Seigward, a character with an interesting storyline who doesn't contradict anything and doesn't offend anyone, even remotely comparable to the fucking Old Dragonslayer, the most embarassing, desperate fanservice I've seen in a long while?
>>339587329
Ds1 also skirts on what's a real dragon. According to Ds1, REAL dragons are made of stone scales. Kalameet is spoken of by Gough as one of the last REAL dragons yet he doesn't have any.
Is Yuria the Witch the best Soulsborne waifu?
>>339587286
sooo what you saying its a good fanservice becasue he has meaningful mark on the game? so not an actual problem then good to know.
>>339586948
Powerful beings can separate their soul from their body, like what Vendrick did in order to protect himself from Nashandra. Ornstein most likely did the same, and Gwyndolin made his illusion from his soul. Also, yeah Gwyndolin's magic is that powerful, he literally makes a fake sun using his magic, makes a lot of giants and knights, and he hits like a truck in his bossfight.
Even if DS2 isn't a particularly good game, you guys have to admit the entrance to Ivory kings boss stage was fucking awesome.
Everything about that fight was really well paced.
>>339587453
I'm not sure I'd rate her in the top 5.
>>339587329
The dragon in the memory was an ancient dragon. NONE of them had souls
>>339577365
yeah bruh, he's so memorable I literally had to google it to remember which one ivory king was.
>>339587453
>Soulsborne
Now you remember the best boss in dark souls 2 vanilla is literally darklurker which has no lore, background or impact on the plot at all. just a last hurdle of some shady covenant.
>>339587453
From DeS?
If so, she's kinda just a fragile wisp of a traumatized girl, not quite on par with the likes of the old crow in Bloodborne or even Siegmeyer's daughter canonically making it to the Duke's Archives and Ash Lake despite not being undead.
>>339587329
>I don't understand the most basic rules of this universe
Dragons can't have souls. They're soulless. No dragon boss in Dark Souls drops a soul. Seath was just borrowing a soul, it wasn't truly his, it's specifically called "fragment of a great soul". Which makes it especially retarded when Dark 2 says his soul fragment reincarnated on its own, and even called it his soul.
The dragon in the memory is from during the war, or slightly after it. It's not a fake Dark 2 dragon, and it wasn't given a soul by Gwyn. It just, apparently has a soul of its own. Which directly contradicts the basic rules of the universe.
They fucked up majorly on that one.
>>339587448
Holy fuck, anon. You can't be this retarded.
Gaping Dragon and Kalameet are dragons whose everlasting scales were peeled off by Gwyn yet managed to avoid death. Seathe was born deformed, without scales, and the Everlasting Dragon still has his scales.
>>339587596
Idc which game is your favorite, if you call the series "Soulsborne" you need to leave
