>melee weapons deal more damage then fire-arms
>>339552154
>magic deals more damage than mele
>>339552438
>firearms deal more damage than magic
>>339552438
I see no problem with lightning bolts and tornados hurting more than a right hook you fucking faggot.
>>339552154
HIS SPEED
>>339552759
>>339552154
N-NANI?!
>>339552759
F-FAST
>melee hit from behind is an instant kill
>>339552679
> Magic is just elemental attacks.
I blame DND for this.
>>339553006
DnD as in Dungeons and Dragons?
There are tons of non-elemental spells.
>>339553006
>defines term broadly
>gets upset when someone points out the obvious
>memecenter.
>dex>strHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
>>339552154
How else would you balance out the distance advantage?
>>339552154
As much as what kind of round, grain count, and caliber matters when referring to the damage potential of a fire-arms.
The same applies to melee weapons what kind of shape, form, and material.
>>339553006
You should blame Final Fantasy for it.
D&D has the most utility and non-elemental spells of any system.
>>339552759
N-NANI H-OW?
>he fell for the STR build meme
>ice arms do more damage than fire arms
>>339553128
Yeah but they all tend be long range AOEs attacks.
It's like someone took the rules for artillery rules from war games and just put them in a pointy hat.
>>339553270
hitting someone with the butt of your gun is quieter than shooting it, so you don't give away your position to the enemies
plus, melee isn't meant to be your go-to, it's a last resort and shouldn't be balanced
>>339553405
This makes sense dumbass, ice is colder than fire...
>>339553504
>Yeah but they all tend be long range AOEs attacks.
no
http://www.cj-resources.com/Storage%201/AD&D%20-2E%20-Complete%20Set%20of%2026%20Books.PDF
Just look at all those spells.
>>339553405
>ice burns you with long exposure
>fire doesn't freeze you with long exposure
It's obviously stronger.
>>339553940
Also ice is colder and sharper than fire.
>>339554019
Fuck off dad
Typically when there's guns in a fantasy game they're usually the more early kind such as flintlock/matchlock, and they usually suck ass (long periods of time between each shot for large spike damage that can easily be outclassed by just running up and stabbing a fucker with a sword).
I want to see more modern era technology juxtaposed with high fantasy.
If your sword is sharp enough and you're strong enough, you could easily deal more damage than a bullet.
>>339554429
>I want to see more modern era technology juxtaposed with high fantasy.
That game already exists and it's called ff7
tifa can punch harder than barret can shoot with his gatling gun arm
>>339553270
There's a few ways. skill walls, limited ammunition and reloads. high-profile. slow aim times ects, limit line of sight ects. Give me melee special effects, faster movement and the like
Basically you need melee attack to have a higher relative time to kill ratio to compensate for range. Upping the damage is simplest way to do it.
>>339553559
If it's meant to be a realistic shooter yes, it does depend on the game.
>magic bypasses all armor, you have to have magic resist.
I don't see how plate armor can't block a damn icicle
>>339554560
Melee
>>339554691
The cold freezes the armor and the sharp breals through it
>>339554872
You could just summon a fast as fuck ball of ice to cave their chest in like some sort of hammer. Hammers + plate armor = dead people
>>339554429
Try EyE.
Shadowrun also has that going on. Strangely though despite everyone using them practically swords are useless in the PnP.
>>339554691
Plate armor can also be pierced by a crossbow bolt.
If that icicle is sharp enough and goes fast enough, plate won't help you.
>>339555045
No, ice spike work better because both aerodynamic and heart stab
>>339553405
Because fire can't fucking pierce through a solid unlike ice. Ever run your hand over a candle really fast? That's what fire attacks do.
>>339552154
MEMORIES BROKEN
>>339553006
>Different elemental attacks are just different colored particle effects.
>>339554691
>wearing plate armor against magic
You retard. Fire will melt your armor along with your flesh; Ice will freeze your armor and make you a living target; electricity will just laugh at you because your armor is a great conductor; earth will make your armor dirty.
>>339555184
What if you launch it as a spike, but just before impact your ice magic auto-cast shit turns it into a ball, and then once it impacts with the armor, it drives a spike of ice into the person like some sort of piledriver?
>>339555217
Fire magic is usually either explosion or something like a lava ball, not just a piece of flame that does nothing.
>>339555362
If spike and aerodynamic for speed, must be light. Therefore, once turn into ball just like snowball throw at enemy. Useless.
>>339552759
M-M-MASAKA?!?
>>339555346
>fire
Simply wear metal armor that doesn't have a retardedly low melting point.
>ice
Wear metal armor that doesn't go full retard at low temperatures and become extremely brittle.
>electricity
Wood blocks on bottom of boots. Checkmate faggot. No path to ground = no path for current flow = no damage
>earth
Carry around Windex and a rag.
>>339555692
Wood block no good
Lightning strike travel through tree.
>>339553006
>the system that has spells for flavoring rocks into something tasty to suck on for a few hours is the source of the problem of spells that are just elemental damage
>>339555692
I cannot for the life of me tell if that's a girl or guy.
>>339553353
>dex
>dodging
That's agi
>>339556035
Dex is agi just as str is pow in some games son.
>>339555921
When in doubt, anal/oral. Pretty sure it'sfemalethough, considering the artist tends to draw cutegirlswith guns, military equipment, etc.
>>339553405
Ice burns in its own way. Did I blow your mind?
>>339552154
What if the melee weapon is a shape charge mounted on a stick? Or pic related?
>>339556181
male I know I watch show
>>339555692
Power word: Kill
Your turn
>>339556279
So fun, so powerful, such shit range and difficulty to use.
>>339555912
>>339555340
>>339553592
>>339553297
That's true, but it did populate the image of wizards from wise old men who spells would typically involve subtle manipulation and trickery to mobile artillery pieces able to burn whole armies with the click of a finger.
>>339556575
>you may be right, but in that case, how do you explain my feelings?
>>339556575
no, it didn't
dnd wizards are about crowd control and weird utility
>>339553297
Fucking firaga, thundaga, blizzah go fuck yourself Squaresoft.
>>339556324Desperate.
>>339556320
The show's art is based off the first volume's or so. She looks less round and more sharp and cute, but in a bishounen kind of way.
>>339555083
thats odd. I played shadow run returns and i remember melee being just as strong as guns.
>Bow & arrow is stronger than gun & bullet
Drop everything into the MAG stat because Almighty is like a nuke
>>339555692
man even back in the 1800s telephone poles had glass bells to attach the wire to the pole because the wood would conduct and burn.
>>339557428
arrow has barbs and is long and stabilized and can pin you down
>>339557557
Nah. Demi goes physical every game.
>>339556119
Except that in some games there is Dex and Agi you fuccboi.
>>339557327
The original tabletop games were oddly big on realism. Despite all the orc samurai streets.
They realise this was stupid in the adaptions.
>>339557692
but you can just pull them out, or leave them in and keep fighting.
>>339557983
you can fight with bullet in too
check
>>339552759
>>339558084
but bullets are much more efficient at making you bleed out because they leave open hole wounds. Pretty much all the damage taken from an arrow is from removing it.
>>339556719
Ha.
I'm trying to think of the time where Gandalf or Merlin could kill all the baddies with a lightning Bolt and I'm drawing a blank.
>>339552154
B-BAKANA
>>339556575
DnD Wizards don't cast damage spells. You're thinking of final fantasy.
>>339556575
You're playing with shitty wizards, and you're playing wizards wrong in crpgs
A wizard's strength is in his non "I DEAL 6D6" evocation spells. Those have their place, likewhen I levelled a castle wall and killed everyone on it with a simple second level spell in a campaign
All the interesting, and powerful, shit wizards can do is with more subtle spells and chaining effects from them - assuming a dm isn't a boring and doesn't let you do stuff like it, evocation is boring
>>339556575
DnD wizards still use trickery and sly magic. It's sorcerers and mages who use more elemental spells. Even then, they're still pretty passive. The highly offensive spells are saved for warlocks.
>>339558336
not if in neck or heart though
>this thread
H-Hayai
>>339558435
There was one time in the hobbit book, when they were in the trees
Gandalf considered wiping out the several hundred goblins that were forcing them to stay in the trees but decided not to, as there was a good chance of himself getting killed
At least I think that was why he chose not to, haven't read the book in a long time
Since were talking about DnD in this thread, I might as well ask, how do you get a large group of people to play with you? It sounds like a blast but theres too much risk. Like if you ask someone if they want to play DnD on friday there's a 99% chance they'll think you're a fucking loser. (not that its not true, they just know for sure know)
>>339559080
roll20
ask /tg/
>You can only open doors by shooting them
>You run faster with a melee weapon
>You can summon a god from the clouds to fuck the earth up but if you get sent to a prison cell you're fucked
>Character uses a weapon you never used in a cutscene
>Shotgun meme
>>339552154
>then
than
>>339559080
Next time you and your friends meet up to play video games at someone's house, see if they want to play DnD instead. Use a module.
Failing that, FLGS. Go to Wizards' website and look for places that have FNM, they most likely will have DnD on non-Fridays, most likely Saturday and Sunday.
>>339552154
>melee weapons are more lethal than firearms
>>339557846
Doesn't invalidate my post cum guzzler.
>firearms affected by STR
>>339559278
> only open doors by shooting at them
The only game that does that is metdroid
>>339559080
I had a friend who happened to be aGM. You could just go to some boardgame shop and meetup with people there. The hard part is committing every weekend to spend 6 hours to a campaign you may or may not enjoy for like 2 months.
>>339559405
What's sad about this?
>>339559498
>bows affected by DEX
>>339559405
why is that sad?
is it because black people
>>339559409
>having an axe chop open your side vs getting a bullet in your kidney
I wonder what will kill you quicker.
>>339552943
Blows to the back of the head are the most likely to cause brain damage, after all.
>>339557983
>Can just pull them out
>Arrow has barbs or a jagged point
>Just pull it out and rip everything along with it
Sure.
>>339559562
>>339559637
That 16 is a record there.
It was from a /tg/ thread about your LFGS and that was mine from when I was in college: A whole 16 people. Someone had one that had like 70, for reference.
>>339559567
>DEX is the ultimate dump stat that controls damage, accuracy and even damage speed if you're an archer
>>339559567
HP affected by CON
>>339553297
FF games have lots of non-elemental magic though. Even without those things, FFI rips lots of things straight from D&D.
>>339559741
My friend goes to FNM and he apparently has like an 8-pod of draft and a dozen people playing standard and other shit. That's good enough I think.
>>339559741
and? mine had a maximum of six
also why the fuck would you want 70 people in a room playing games
>>339559786
>DEX affects casting speed
>with enough of it, casting is instant
>>339559786
> Dex and agility are the same stat.
It would fix so so many problems if they just split them.
>>339559950
When I was in high school, the one I went to had multiple floors. So it wasn't "a room," it was multiple rooms. I think they had 30 or so on a typical FNM.
>Wooden Sword
>Iron Sword
>Steel Sword
>Mythril Sword
Okay
>Wooden Bow
>Iron Bow
>Steel Bow
>Mythril Bow
Not okay.
>>339552154
Warhammer 40k RPGs.
Seriously, it's a flaw of the system resulting from melee weapons getting bonus damage from your Strength bonus while guns just do their flat damage.
The end result is that melee weapons scale to ridiculous damage and a character can use a big axe to do as much damage as a Plasma Gun.
And yes, I know this isn't video games but it pisses me off.
>>339560127
but the arrows!
Why don't we just decide a character/monster's weakness to fire and ice by their body's tolerance to extreme temperature differences?
>>339560127
Iron and steel i understand. Isn't mythril some flexible god metal though? its supposed to be super light, but super hard, or something like that?
>>339559786
>Dex affects Initiative, the skill to assess the battlefield and act first
Initiative should either be Wis, be a skill, or just scale with your level.
>>339560127
>Mythril Bow
What's wrong with that?
>>339560127
I always appreciate games that bother to have bows scale through different types of wood rather than metal. Usually ending in some kind of special magic wood as the final weapon material.
>>339560268
>>339560347
No. No bow can be made of any metal. Period.
>guns magically increase in damage as you level up
This is the worst shit. It could make some sense in scenarios where you'd just pretend that more damage=accuracy increase, but if there's an actual accuracy stat, then it's stupid.
>game where Strength stat makes all weapons do more damage
>including guns
Shouldn't that just enhance the effectiveness of their power output by making the bullets more accurate, since stronger arms will keep a more stable grip on the weapon?
>bows have the weakest dps
>abilities weaker than melee rouge
>obsoleted in very way by dps mage
>>339560514
You don't know the properties of a made of fantasy metal, it's possible.
>>339560662
The harder you squeeze the trigger, the harder the bullet comes out.
>>339560514
>>339559950
locally we have a shop that hits like 70 but they did a good job expanding the business and own like an entire strip mall area with seperate rooms so you can have like 20 groups running at once. it's fa/tg/uy paradise and I work too much to go anymore.
>>339560662
>High strength meet you can use heavy weapons
Problem solved
>>339560662
>>339560823
This
It's like holding jump or leaning on a couch when in a racing game
you will jump higher/turn faster
>>339560808
No, you can't. I don't care if it's turbo-carbon-titanium whatever.
>>339560841
>compound bow
That's cheating, anon.
>>339560823
Why not just fucking throw the damn bullet yourself then?
>Sunlight isn't an element
>Can't use it to petrify gargoyles, critical wound vampires, or revert were-creatures to their human form
>>339560974
That's not how guns or bullets work you retarded little piece of sexy shit.
>>339560918
>Do runing jump
> you can't jump higher
>>339561019
sunlight is fire idiot
>>339560974
Because throwing weapons need dex come on anon read the damn rule book
>>339560948
Yes. But when rules cheat how things would work in reality, it's just fair.
>>339560537
You pull the trigger harder.
>>339560127
What about
>Wooden bow
>Oak bow
>Elm bow
>Willow bow
and
>Wooden arrow
>Iron arrow
>Steel Arrow
>Mythril Arrow
>Adamant Arrow
>>339560862
>working too much
nature will find a way, anon
>>339560948
So a fantasy metal that is already impossibly light and pliable is not allowed to be a bow. Alright, you autistic fuck.
>>339560841
>carbon alloys that require hinges to work properly
Doesn't count.
>>339561078
It's light, you moron.
>>339560127
>mythril bow with iron arrows does more damage than an iron bow with mythril arrows
>>339561272
Light is fire you joke
Name one light source that isn't due to fire
You can't
>>339561373
Glow stick
>>339561234
>I know nothing about the properties of metal and wood
I want underages to leave
>>339561373
Bioluminescent organisms.
>>339561373
Lightning.
>>339561474
>fantasy metal that is already impossible
>thinks any of his autistic ass rulefagging applies to it
>>339561373
Electricity.
Bioluminescence.
The specific kinds of radioactive material that glow.
Magical light sources that don't generate heat.
>>339561373
Bioluminescence. That fire sure isn't gonna work in the water, now is it?
>>339561373
Light is electromagnetic radiaton in a certain frecuency range.
Fire is molecular kinetic energy.
You're wrong.
>>339561552
You're fucking retarded. It would never work unless fantasy metal grows like a tree.
Also
>Lightning isn't fire
Go back to school, kid
>>339561552
>games never elaborate on how metal bends with a bow
>games often elaborate on how hard or strong the same metal material is when used in melee weapons or armor
Fantasy has rules and consistency too.
>>339561373
>Light is fire you joke
>Name one light source that isn't due to fire
>You can't
The /sci/ troll thread is several boards to the right dude.
How does one decide if a potion heals a fixed amount of damage taken or an amount of damage proportionate to your overall health?
>>339562312
I'm not sure i understand the question.
>>339562312
I think fixed amount is best
>>339562375
How does one decide if a potion restores
>+10 HP
>+10% MaxHP
>>339562582
First one has the downside where eventually that size of potion becomes obsolete and its effects become negligible.
>>339562582
Do you mean on a design level, or if the potion you have actually does one or the other?
On a design level, it depends on how your health works in general. the higher the numbers, the more the need for percentile based health restores.
In the other case, try it. If it consistently does 10 regardless of your health, its the former. If it changes at an even rate, its the latter.
>>339562312
Fixed would make more sense unless it somehow reacted greater with more mass or something
>>339562559
>>339562757
I agree, but that doesn't really answer my question...
>>339556119
Dexterity is wrongly called agility, yes, we agree on this.
Dexterity is how good you are with your hands with shit, Agility is moving and dodging.
>>339562312
>>339562582
A percentage of health seems more sensible in any setting. It's a magic potion, it's supposed to make anyone who drinks it healthier the same amount, right?
Why would having more max hp (being healthier in general) make a potion any less effective?
>penis is harder than vagina
Why do they allow this?
>>339563179
Its obviously a design decision, but are you talking about how the fucking potion maker guy in the world decides if he wants the potion he's making to heal at a flat rate or a %?
>>339560102
>Mexico
>FNM had about 8 to 12 people
>Store closed down because many faggots would either buy elsewhere, and yugayho fags would often show up with obviously falsified cards
RIP Vortex.
>>339563238
Dexterity extends to more than arms: it's the entire body in general and the resulting reflexes.
I mean, you can be good at avoiding stuff and still have terrible judgement and reaction speed just like you can readily prepare an action faster but your body does not necessarily register your command in mind properly.
Try to associate dexterity for tacticians and agility for, say, circus performers.
>>339563342
It makes some sense for simpler potions to only heal a set amount. The same amount of healing goo has more work to do if you are bigger, and missing more health.
>>339563478
>Onix has a Def stat of 160
>Cloyster has a Def stat of 180
EHH?!?
Y- YAMETE!!!!!
>>339563954
>just turning your head around
>not also moving your forearm in the same circular pattern to attempt intercepting the gun pointed at you
>>339552154
Blunt and stab wounds are far more deadlier than bullets.
>>339553504
I mean that is actually pretty close to how DND was made but there are a lot more interesting spellsoutside of 4th edition which was shit
>>339564115
Bullets do blunt wounds inside your body, though.
BAKA! IKU ZOOOOO!
>shwing
NANI?!?
>>339564096
*teleports behind you*
>>339564309
The flow of the action in here is obviously missing one or two panels.
>melee sucks in the game
>doesn't do much damage
>character isn't even melee based when he should be
>>339552154
No shit its not realistic but its the only option for balancing, dildo.
>>339555692
Skirt kills it for me. I think it looks ugly but even from a practical standpoint that gap in the middle is way too wide.
>>339556320
What show?
>>339564405
Only one thing, really. The guy in the red hoody just needs to swivel to the blue hoody guys side.
>Dex makes you attack faster
>Strength doesn't let you swing your weapon faster
>>339564115
kek no
It's not uncommon to survive ten-tweny stab wounds. While in the same amount of time it's close to impossible to forty-sixty shots.
>>339553006
Man, spoken like a true dipshit who doesn't know anything about tabletop games. D&D has MOSTLY utility spells. AoE and Ray elemental spells are like less than 1/5th of the vanilla spell list.
>trust no one
>>339564075
>Finally bullies are not someone super cool things they have a weak point too!
What the fuck does this say?
>>339564435
Genji's ult 1-2 shots everybody
The fuck are you even talking about
>>339565102
the narrator is excited, he is not only trying to tell you quickly the easiest way to defeat bullies every time but to leave a cool quote about swords or something.
