Is FF8 really bad or is it a meme to hate it?
>>339530394
It is pretty bad. Even when compared to other FFs from that era.
It has some positive qualities like its awesome music but fails flat on its face for its story, characters, and gameplay (junction system).
Some people love it anyway though.I for one don't
Isn't one of the big complaints about the new game a car? Hell you drove a car in this one.
Yes and yes
>>339531506
Those are either underage faggots whose first FF was 13 or jaded nostalgiatards who loudly circlejerk over the SNES games they grew up with while shitting on everything that doesn't fit their autistic definition of what a JRPG should be like.
The lvl system is nonsense and the story forgettable. But the journey is worth a playthrough.
>>339530394
First disc is a masterpiece. Second disc kinda makes you go "huh... well okay". Third disc makes you go "wait what" and 4th disc is just fucking nonsense.
It starts to feel extremely rushed by the third disc when you finally get to see esthar. You'll know what I'm talking about.
>>339530394
The battles are fun and I like the draw system but the rest of the game is so fucking dull and the GF system just makes me wanna die
>>339530394
The first playthrough is fun
Trying to replay it is hell
I liked it.
>>339530394
Starts out great, but shortly after the first Disc is where I would say things start going full retard. Or after you cross the bridge to Esthar
>>339530394
It's obviously a meme
The only reason people hate it is memes or they just hate change
>>339532531
No you were right the first time. When you start off in the prison level and have to run up the exact same floors copy-pasted at least a dozen times is when things start going downhill.
>>339530394
It's alright but could've been better.
The story is pants on head retarded but it has some of the coolest moments in the series (the landing at Dollet).
Pretty fun mini game, unnecessarily complicated but fun to break Junction system, and some of the best music.
And also best girl.
>>339530394
Its the best game in the series so far.
>>339530394
Its okay at best
>>339530394
If you think the game is bad you are literally a normie who considers FFVII as the best one.
FFVIII was fucking beautiful and had the best plot in the series, as well as customization like the junction system.
ONLY complaint about it is the draw system because it made magic feel like items. Thats the only bad thing though.
>>339532725
So the game goes full retard right after Squall is killed?
makes sense
>>339533327
>FFVIII was fucking beautiful and had the best plot in the series
I haven't played all the games in the series and even I know that's not true.
>>339530394
It's bad, but it still has some redeemable qualities.
>>339533556
>I haven't played all the games in the series and even I know that's not true.
I dont know you but even I know you are retarded.
>>339530394
The gameplay was easy to break thanks to the Junction system, so if you like abusing numbers it's pretty fun.
The plot is actually really good for the first disc, then slows down in the second and for the third and final discs it goes full retard
>>339530394
Good:
Fun gameplay/stat abuse
Music
Aesthetic
Bad:
Character development
Villains
Plot
>>339533769
I know it's hard to accept that your childhood game is not the best but it's true.
>>339533769
I know exactly who you are, and you have autism so stop posting.
>>339533327
>FFVIII was fucking beautiful and had the best plot in the series
>the best plot
You're a contrarian faggot and an edglelord. FFVIII's plot is the worst and barely made any sense. The cast was also atrocious.
>>339534094
Nice pinons u really convinced me ;)
>always heard how FFVIII is shit
>went through the entire series avoiding FFVIII like the plague
>finally decide to play it after reading some stuff about it
>its now my favorite game of the series
I hope everyone who told me the game was bad die in a huge fire.
The game was extremely realist for a rpg and Squall had one of the best character developments ever.
>>339533863
Sounds like FF in a nutshell.
>>339534224
What about the ones with no disc?
>>339534392
Sounds like FFV
>World 1
>Adventure!
>World 2
>these job classes are neat
>World 3
What the fuck is even going on
Better than FFXIII.
>>339534037
>"I havent played the game but I know more about it than you"
>"This is true because I say so"
Are you actually retarded or just underage?
Genuinely curious.
>>339534647
Assuming the translation is accurate they are right about MGSV being a giant sack of shit influenced by the "open world" meme, and Toriyama being a homosexual Korean.
>>339534793
You're obviously both since I made it pretty clear I have played FF8 and am just comparing it to the few other FFs I played.
i loved the atmosphere in this game, i dont give a fuck. adventure feel
Reminder FFVIII was the most requested game in Japan to get a remake but SE is remaking FFVII because popularity in america.
>>339534647
Why are they complaining about MGS being influenced by the west since the series has been westaboo as fuck since day one?
>>339533556
Not him, and not going to argue that it had the best plot.
It had pretty good graphics that were a step up from VII and the new systems made things interesting. I think one of the main reasons I liked it so much was Triple Triad and the game breaking nonsense you could do with it.
Story was probably not the best, it was pretty convluted for the most part, but I found it enjoyable ad the twists kept it exciting.
One of the parts I thought was pretty hype in particular was when Seifer countered Odin's instant KO attack. The end of the first disc with that cutscene, the part where you meet the headmaster, time compression, GFs causing memory loss are all moments that were pretty cool.
If you haven't actually played it and are just parroting things you heard some one else say I'd look into it. I'd say it's one of my favorites even though I know it's not the best one, and I still like it over 2 and 3 at least.
![[citation needed].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bVAfQpp.jpg "[citation needed].jpg")
>>339535115
>Reminder FFVIII was the most requested game in Japan to get a remake
It's a guilty pleasure.
>>339534647
Why do whatever asians these are not like koreans?
>>339535208
I wouldn't have made that post had I not played it, would I?
PROS
Graphics
Music
Junction system
Tetra master
Story (Disc 1)
Limit breaks are sweet
Cons
Levels don't matter as much as you think they do
Junction system
Story (disc 2+)
PS FF
(FFT >) 7 > 8 > 9
>>339535297
The Japanese and Koreans hate each other with a passion. Probably due to the Japs being huge assholes.
>>339535363
You make it sound like it should be obvious, and it should be.
But you'd be surprised about how many people have negative opinions of games they've never even played.
>>339535230
>What is google
>>339530394
Both.
>>339535550
Who do the Americans hate the most?
>>339535551
It was the second one I played, and it's currently my second least favorite. Everything about it just kept rubbing me the wrong way, and the more I tried to like it the more I ended up hating it. Also I don't get why everyone wants Laguna to be the MC when he isn't any less annoying than Squall or the others.
Its a meme to like it
>>339535115
>Japan has shit taste
Not surprised.
>>339535693
Probably the Arabs. Then again they're too busy being in love with the smell of their own farts to give a fuck about anything outside their personal bubble of a country.
How do you break the Junction system anyway? I never understood that part.
Who is the best party member and why is it Zell?
>>339535693
>>339535871
Definitley Arabs
>muh 911
>>339534094
Regardless of whether or not you liked it everything made perfect sense.
Posts like these are a surefire way of spotting bangwagoning memeshitters who either didn't finish the game or skipped all the dialogue.
>>339530394
it has some upsides but Squall is the worst FF protagonist by far
>>339530394
In every other game of the series leveling up is a good thing.
Suddenly leveling up is a bad thing and the game never explains this to you.
Apart from that retarded bullshit it's fine.
Honestly, if I never learned about the leveling system I would says it's purdy gud.
>>339536018
>>339535871
But everyone hates mudslaps!
>>339535953
Play the cardgame to get good cards
Convert them into high level magic
Junction that shit up
>>339535115
Its not though
Favorite Sony game
5. Resident Evil
4. Final Fantasy X
3. Dragon Quest IV
2. Final Fantasy VII
1. Dragon Quest V
Most wanted remake
15. Xenogears
14. Kingdom Hearts
13. Final Fantasy X
12. Monster Hunter Portable 3rd
11. Final Fantasy IX
10. Arc the Lad
9. Dragon Quest IV
8. Kingdom Hearts II
7. Resident Evil 6
6. Dragon Quest V
5. Gran Turismo 6
4. Final Fantasy
3. Resident Evil
2. Dragon Quest VIII
1. Final Fantasy VII
>>339536086
>no grinding in a JRPG
It's like I died and went to heaven
>>339536237
Isn't FFX supposed to be the most popular FF there?
http://www.webcitation.org/60vD8bhY1
>>339536237
>xenogears
>15
>>339536585
That's not bad for half a game.
>>339533981
This man right here is right. They almost did the same with X, with Tidus being a major drawback, that character should have been written different and the developers know it.
>>339536237
>Arc the Lad
Why would anyone want a remake of that pile of shit?
reminder the bulk of the initial hate for FF8 was because americans thought it would be a direct sequel to FF7
Not even a meme. It's just any game that gets critical reception gets bandwagons of hate as damage control by butthurt fanboys.
Some like it, some hate it. Should probably try it out yourself than take someone else's word how you should feel about it.
>>339536237
>Its not though
Yes it was
http://www.finalfantasyunion.com/news/1424/japanese-gamers-want-final-fantasy-viii-hd-remake-more-than-final-fantasy-vii/
>>339530394
Its ight. Too easy and shit gets stupid after the first disc.
>>339536802
>Hating Arc the Land
Shit fucking taste.
>>339536237
>Most wanted remake
>3. Resident Evil
I liked the setting
Story was a fun SciFi adventure till it got reaaal convoluted
Characters were OK, Squall has a bit of delayed development but Zell is a bro and Irvine is fun
Selphie is waifu
Gameplay was too ez to break
Renzokuken animations were top notch
Its not bad, but its not great. I would buy a remake if they improved on aspects, but SE isn't that competent
>>339531395
just about the only redeeming factor of 8 is the fact that uematsu was in his prime during the psx era.
8 had some interesting ideas but the absolute worst implementation of them.
>>339530394
I enjoyed Triple Triad and the story,other then that,its fine.
>>339536086
>Suddenly leveling up is a bad thing
Nigga you dumb
So far I've beaten FF7 and FF10, what's the next best Final Fantasy? I hear 6 is up there. Just hearing the music from it has me interested.
>>339537886
If we're only talking the first one then yes it is shit. Haven't played the sequels.
>>339530394
Its a meme because the game didnt have a COWTITS whore so people could fap too, or LE COOL SPIKED HAIR protag, or the LE MARY SUE AND DARK villain that FF7 had.
>>339538591
Yeah, 6 is usually one that a lot of people say they enjoy
>>339538591
6, 7, 9, 10 are my favorites
IAMALIVEHEREBRINGMEBACKTHERE
IWILLNEVERLETYOUFORGETABOUTME
The magic system ruined 8 for me.
You either drew magic manually which was pretty tedious or you used the card/junction method to get magic and quickly became overpowered.
>>339538631
Neither did FF9, but it's still better.
>>339538913
Wonder why an advanced tech world never used radio signal waves...
>>339538940
*tips fedora*
I liked the combat systems a lot. A big problem is that sometimes the plot will seperate your party and you might get stuck with some characters that are underleveled for harder bits of the game. The game's biggest flaw is it's plot goes bananas about half way through, and there are some plot points so contrived that you can't help but roll your eyes (We're all orphans and went to the same orphanage and we all totally forgot our entire childhoods because of magic! This is made even stupider from the presumed young age of the cast, who if they've all forgotten their childhoods they'd all only have a few years worth of memory and I can't even go into the problems that'd cause). I've played the game start to finish 2 times, and I still have no damned idea what "time compression" was supposed to be. Great music though.
>>339539031
*tips 6 belts*
>>339538847
>>339538692
PC or SNES emulator?
>>339530394
It was bad
I love the gay porn from it tho.
>>339539294
whatever you do do not get the steam version of that garbage, emulate
>>339539294
emulator
>>339539367
Shiiit, I was about to. What's wrong with it? FF7 Steam was fine for me.
>>339539460
complete trash artstyle
look it up yourself
>>339530394
Its the best FF game. But that's not a very high standard to live up to.
However, nearly every argument I've heard for why FF8 is suppose to be bad can be attributed to other FF games. Which the same people overlook those flaws in the other games. When you get past all the parroted hate and trolling, it really just comes down to what type of setting and style people prefer in a FF game. And FF8 has a very bright, utopian style, which was the exact opposite of FF7. And since FF7 was the most popular, FF8 is obviously going to suffer from both the sequel effect and 'its not FF7' effect. Yet even this falls under the grumblings of blind fanboys, as many of those same people who hate FF8 for being bright and opposite of FF7 liked FF10.
>>339539036
>I still have no damned idea what "time compression" was supposed to be
Magic. Ultimecia's magic, which she thought would only be a dimension only she could exist in (and finally be free from persecution).
If you understood the plot of FF8 at all, you'd know that she succeeded, but the compression ended up being a loop instead. Ultimecia is the sovereign of that loop because every time it completes with her death, she travels backwards in time to pass on her powers which results in exactly the same set of circumstances. Time is now certainly compressed; it's bound to her.
>>339535115
Japs don't play console/ PC games anymore so who cares what they think?
>>339538591
FFT or XII
>>339536237
>DQ8 remake
I'd settle for having it on PSN, it's not old enough to benefit from being redone I would think.
And actually looking at that list, wtf is up with some of those
>Gran Turismo 6
>RE6
>MH3
>any KH game
When they say remake do they actually meant the whole game made modern or just a new release? Some of those games a good as is and it wouldn't change enough to be worth it.
And RE1 already got a excellent remake.
>good things
music is goat
can break the game super easy
bosses are mostly cool
summons are great
best minigame in history of minigames, nothing has come close to triple triad yet
Robin Williams (rip) as Cid
>the bad and the ugly
plot is absolutely retarded
most of the characters are unlikeable
cant really skip summon animations
level scaling is badly implemented
magic is mostly useless later
even with all its flaws, it is one of my favorite FF-s, and i played the majority of them, first being 4
>>339539965
You are wrong on literally every single point, especially FF10 being the opposite of bright when it's arguably the brightest of the series. Also which other FF had the junction system or level scaling?
I like Squall so much I wish I can be like him ;(
>>339540385
Just act like an asshole to everyone you meet and you're already halfway there.
>>339540238
>You are wrong on literally every single point
>especially FF10 being the opposite of bright when it's arguably the brightest of the series.
He was comparing FFVIII and X as both being bright, but the double standard that FF fans hate 8 and love 10.
>>339540237
I agree with this mostly, the only thing I disagree with is that I don't think the game being easy to break is a good thing.
I enjoyed 8 about as much as I enjoyed 9. A pretty decent game but one that I haven't really felt like re-playing.
Currently running through it. Breaking the game before I get into the game, proper.
>>339540478
what double standard?
If people didn't like 8 but liked 10 then it probably wasn't because of the colour palette. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that 8 was too bright.
>>339540478
At least 10 didn't have level scaling, the junction system or Rinoa.
>>339540793
>or Rinoa.
But Yuna has literally the same point in the story as Rinoa had. But with a worse personality.
>>339530394
It's really bad. The mechanics don't work on any level, the story is terrible, the characters act like massive retards most of the time, and it's almost impossible to get combat to work in a balanced manner because of how fucking retarded the junction system is.
I love FFVIII but it is indeed a bad game. Just horribly balanced and a poorly written story.
You have to pretty much restrict yourself from using certain gameplay mechanics for the game to become remotely engaging to play, and even then its never more challenging than something an elementary school kid could handle.
Are the characters/story really that bad? I thought it was standard fare for final fantasy
>>339530394
>God Tier
Disk 1
Disk 3
>Meh tier
Disk 4
>Shit, you should kill yourself and not exist tier
Disk 2
FF8 looks so nice. I really enjoyed the Junction system for how unique it was for FF and I thought some of the changes they made were all bold, but not all great and so I really admire the game.
The story I think is interesting and not really convoluted at all, but time-travel is always convoluted to at least some extent; I just think it could have been way worse and really wasn't confusing to me at least.
>>339540907
So basically like every FF game since VI.
>>339540926
Standard fare for japanese games in general. That doesn't make it ok though.
>>339540891
I don't see how she's worse. Yuna may be a doormat but she doesn't try to act like an overly cutesy 5 year old like Rinoa.
>>339532206
>Not winning enough cards in the first area to deck out your characters with max level spells.
>Not using encounter-none to go through the game in story mode.
I love the game
But I can't get myself to play it anymore because i love leveling in rpg and VIII is an oddball that force you to do otherwise (well not forced but once you know how there's level scaling..)
Thought you can still weaken enemy + card them but its just a hassle.
>>339541039
Yes, that's exactly when the series started sucking cock and never stopped.
>>339540951
I'd switch 3 and 4. Ultimecia's Castle was a lot of fun
>>339530394
Still my favorite FF game. Even with all it's flaws (Level scaling is always a terrible design choice) something between the setting, music, and just overall feel of it really stuck with me
>>339541039
It was worse in FFVIII. There aremodsto make FFVI, VII, and IX more interesting gameplay-wise. And of course FFX and FFVII have famous challenges.
But with FFVIII there's just not much interesting going on. Even a no-level-up run is almost the standard way to play the game when people learn the mechanics so its really boring.
>>339530394
imo, some ideas are really cool, but are poorly executed, and others are just bad... the games gets tedious at times, but in the end, it's the only final fantasy I've given time to finish... oh and 7... ('tactics is on another level and is one of my favorites of all time) but to be honest, I enjoyed 8 more than 7. The best part of the game for me was messing around with the battle system; there's a point in the game when you have the world open and you can explore anywhere, to just grind and level up, some parts of the world are full of monsters that give you the best junction magic... the story is meh, it could've been epic fi certain shit had happened. If the game didn't drag so much and the menus were such a chore to navigate, I'd rate it higher.
>not leveling your chars (the most essential part of rpgs) makes the game of piece of cake
Yes, it's really bad.
>>339540237
>Robin Williams will never play Cid in a live-action FF8 movie now
>>339541282
You will still die if you are not properly junction and know how to get AP
;^)
>>339535115
Thats sad. FF7 was satisfying enough that I don't feel like I would ever need to play it again. FF8 is the one that really needs the remake. It has so much potential if they would only give it a second go.
>>339541404
Nope. You can not junction anything at all and still beat the game.
>>339530394
>ff9 isnt the best ff
>>339540926
FF8 was pretty much a parody of high school life in Japan. Or really how shounen anime portray a school setting.
But not much of this transferred over with the English localization. As well as a lot of the main characters catch phrases being drastically changed. Stuff like ' Chiken Wuss' and 'Whatever' is not what they're saying in the original Japanese. So it took a story which was somewhat tongue and cheek and made it just corny and stupid.
These threads are pretty much arguing over bad translation fuck ups, without people even recognizing they are there. FFVIII as a game doesn't need a remake so much as a new translation.
>>339541436
Show me
>>339541490
Here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUNCaXouLYc
>>339541229
While I'm not going to claim the game has good gameplay, since no FF really does, I will say that I enjoyed playing FFVIII more than some others. Yes its easy and yes you can just coast through the game spamming attack and aura. But stuff like junctioning status effects to weapons or GF boosting was more interesting than most FF games to me. About the only game I think that did gameplay better was FFX. And even that game has really only two things that adds any variety to combat. That's less than fucking Earthbound or Dragon Quest II.
>>339541490
Look for no junction, no level up runs on Youtube. They're fairly common.
>>339541481
The gameplay needs a complete overhaul.
Enemy scaling is stupid. Infinite use of powerful limit breaks back-to-back just by being on low health is stupid.
>>339541739
I thought VII did a good job when it came to customization. It did elemental junctioning before VIII did, in a way, thanks to the materia system. But like VIII, it has poor balance. Luckily there are multiple pc mods to fix it. Unfortunately the PC difficulty mod for VIII, Requiem, is a piece of shit.
>>339541436
Thats hardly a criticism. Many JRPS are regularly beaten without gaining any/few levels. There are communities out there dedicated to doing this.
Why doesn't every FF after V uses the job system?
>>339541846
>Enemy scaling is stupid.
Its fine. Other games have done it well. And I honestly don't think FF8 did it poorly. It makes it so you don't have to grind anywhere. The problem isn't with enemy scaling, but with the piss easy difficulty at any point of the game.
>Infinite use of powerful limit breaks back-to-back just by being on low health is stupid.
This is one of the things that is broken. Removing aura spamming would make it at least somewhat harder. They should also change the way junctioning works. So that you could still use magic, but still get the benefits from junctioning magic. Basically, make it so you only need to junction one spell to a slot to get the benefit, but then lower the overall stat increase it gives you. No more putting 100 flares on STR and destroying everything in the game because your ATK rises by 999. Instead, you put one flare on your STR and it rises to 99.
>>339542097
FF focuses on story above everything else. Class systems are hard to implement with a set story, as FFIII is a perfect example. Even Dragon Quest had trouble having a good story with Dragon Quest VI and IX, because they used the class system.
>>339542012
I was addressing his claim that you NEEDED to junction by pointing out that no, you don't.
As for criticism, how about the fact that drawing is tedious. Or that getting spells through refinement and cards can make you completely overpowered. Or how you can just keep Squall on low health and use what is basically omnislash repeatedly. Or how the summon animations take forever should you choose to use them. Or how there are no accessories or armor customization. Or how you never have to bother junctioning against elements or status effects except maybe against Malboro. Or how the game has really slow animations, especially when characters have to get up from low health status to perform their move. Or how the game rewards you skipping random battles and just going through the motions of a shounen anime visual novel. Or how remodeling weapons gives such a small stat bonus that its never remotely as useful as just junctioning better magic.
>>339542375
>Class systems are hard to implement with a set story,
[citation needed]
>>339541980
>replay FFVII
>holy shit this game is boring as fuck, I accidentally broke it just by touching Enemy Skill and it wasn't even remotely difficult in the first place
>play New Threat mod for VII
>HOLY FUCK THIS GAME IS NOW AWESOME
>>339542450
Source: Comparing all the games with class systems to those without class systems. The games without class systems tend to have more focus to their story.
>>339541980
Suikoden also did a better system than Materia before FFVII came out.
It's the best Final Fantasy on Playstation X.
I liked it a lot.
>>339542697
Correlation isn't causation and there's nothing about a class system that forces that to be the case.
>>339542616
>New Threat
That mod is so fucking good but by the time you're on Disc 3 the bosses have so much goddamn health. I really don't know if I want to finish it. In the Northern Crater now.
>>339542816
>Correlation isn't causation
Then why did you ask for a source when you know there's no way to provide one?
>and there's nothing about a class system that forces that to be the case.
When a writer has to keep from being too specific to allow for all possible contingencies for what class and level a character will be at, then they have limitations put on them. It doesn't always make the story bad, but it is an extra limitation that a non class based game doesn't have to deal with. You can't have a major plot point about a character acting like a blue mage in the story when they could be a Dark Knight in class at that time.
I remember playing and finishing FF8 and 9 when I was young.
Now when I look back on those JRPGs I realize they were shit as fuck.
I can't believe we actually played those fucking shit JRPGs.
How is it even possible to play JRPGs unironically? There is absolutely no reason to play it anymore.
You have better stories in other game genres. There is better combat and gameplay elsewhere. And music OSTs are good in a lot of games nowadays.
Even if you are a weeb there are plenty of weeb games that aren't the horrible JRPG shit.
How can anyone of you people play such SHIT?
>>339530394
wen u play through it at low level like ur sopposed too its way to easy
>>339543151
>When a writer has to keep from being too specific to allow for all possible contingencies for what class and level a character will be at, then they have limitations put on them.
You act like this isn't the case for junctioning or materia, both of which allow much more ridiculous shit than anything the job system games do. Stop being a retard.
>>339541178
That's just amae.
>>339543409
dumb frogposter
>>339542375
Final Fantasy Tactics is the best thing with the Final Fantasy name on it and it uses the job system.
I enjoy the game overall. The overall aesthetic and setting just screams early 2000s vision of the future to me in a unique manner. It's really hard to pin down but every other FF that's attempted the futuristic compounded into fantasy monster shit has failed into something miserable and generic.
>>339543481
>You act like this isn't the case for junctioning or materia, both of which allow much more ridiculous shit than anything the job system games do.
Considering FFVII didn't even care about keeping consistency between its gameplay and story, your point isn't really served by bringing it up. Unlike a game like FFIII where if they tried to insist the main character was an ex SOLDIER and fought with a big fucking sword, it would have been pretty stupid if you were running around as a black mage.
>Stop being a retard.
You first.
>>339544064
*forgot to add its story is fucking great... that was the important point of the post... what a faggot I am.
>tfw the two garden clashing
>its a PS1 game
Magic
>>339544147
I agree. I love clean utopian future settings. Its sad that so few games attempt it.
>>339544064
>Final Fantasy Tactics is the best thing with the Final Fantasy name
Wrong.
>>339530394
most of the FF games are really bad
I liked it. But it's definitely weaker than the other titles in the series.
>>339544284
No he's right. Also a rhythm spinoff shouldn't count as a proper game in the series.
>>339544441
By that logic, FFTactics shouldn't count either. And it doesn't. The term spin off refers to both.
>>339544592
It has much more in common with the main series than a rhythm spinoff.
>>339544161
>it would have been pretty stupid if you were running around as a black mage.
And yet you can effectively do that in VII by giving Cloud all of the magic materia. Your point doesn't make any sense.
>>339544720
>Theathrytm FF
>uses characters directly from FF games
>uses settings directly from FF games
>uses songs directly from FF games
>includes stuff from the spin offs, including tactics
>FFTactics
>unique characters
>unique setting
>unique music
>was originally pitched as a totally unique game, but was made part of the Final Fantasy series with the insistance of Sakaguchi
>only thing it has in common with FF is the class system and skills you learn, which Theathrythm also has all those skills
>>339544817
My point makes perfect sense. As my point was saying that FFVII ignores what skills you have on your character. You can go a total black mage build, but it doesn't change that Cloud still uses a huge sword and is effectively a fighter class in cutscenes. While in a game like FFIII, the story has to be open ended enough to allow for the character to be any class.
>>339545021
Exactly. FF is more of a tribute than a true FF game just like All The Bravest. Tactics also has actual combat where you select actions and who you want to attack, Theathrythm doesn't even have that much.
>>339545203
>As my point was saying that FFVII ignores what skills you have on your character.
And a class based system can't do that... why?
>>339530394
everything is a meme
this post is a meme
I beated for first time the steam version a few years ago and I think it's a fucking masterpiece, it's in the same level of FFVII and even suparss it in some aspects like the music, the ending, etc. (plus Laguna is the best character Square has ever made).
>>339545346
Your ideas of what makes something more of a 'true' game are completely arbitrary and dumb. They're both spin offs. Your subjective view of which you like more doesn't make it closer to a main series game.
what is wrong with the junction system aside from drawing being a pain in the ass at first
I thought it was great having that much control over the stats of your party
I think FFVIII is a good game, the story is a little goofy at times but I found it to be fun if you don;t take it so serious
I also thought squall was a good character, the way he had trouble expressing his feelings out loud yet you could read what he was thinking and how he was having these internal conflicts with himself
i added a nice depth to his character beyond being callous mr whatever man
VIII will always be my favorite. And I've Played 1-12 + Tactics.
>VIII
>Tactics
>Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon
>IV
>VI
>VII
>IX
>V
>X
>I
>III
>X-2
>Mystic Quest
>Legend I-III
>XII
>Tactics Advance
>II
>>339545397
>And a class based system can't do that... why?
It can. And the good stories do. But not every class based story can or does.
Its just easier to write and impliment a story where characters have set classes. If a writer wants to write a story where the main character is a rogue, then its a lot easier to just put in common rogue attributes and cliches than struggle to find ways that the character who acts like a rogue can fit with any class. Because something as simple as a rogue being able to pick a lock would become needlessly complex if they were also a white mage and a paladin.
>>339536237
>Dragon Quest
Are you a japanese nerd or what?
>>339545952
its a list from famitsu
>>339545768
>what is wrong with the junction system
Stats and status effects are wildly out of balance, it's very very easy to ramp up your stats way out of tune with what you're facing, HP junctioning allows for effortless but safe limit spamming for most of the game, and the way the game is set up disincentivizes magic use by making it less powerful than physical attacks even with spells like Triple existing.
>>339530394
Is FF7 really good or is it a meme to like it?
>>339545952
Its a Japanese list. You're weak trolling failed hard.
>>339546334
It's actually really good but the translation was spotty as fuck and a lot of people "like it" despite having only secondhand knowledge of it. Shit like pic related is what I think makes FF7 great.
>>339545403
now we're meme-ing
It's bad and it's a meme to hate it.
>>339546564
Quality work, I like the distortion from being stretched. It'll really help the artifacting process.
>>339546475
>bottom left house loses two chimneys
FF7 has the deepest lore.
11 > 7 > 9 > 12 (zodiac) > 5 > 3 > 6 > 10 > 4 >>>> 1 > 2 > 8 >>>> 13 > 14
>>339546835
Because Shinra rebuilt the town and hushed everything up. You'll also notice that when Spehiroth gets blindsided in the reactor scene, the Buster Sword has a First Strike materia, guaranteeing that they could get the jump on on ol' bitchboy.
>>339545857
>I've played 1-12
>no XI
>>339546334
Its really good but you should use one of the pc difficulty mods like New Threat to make it more interesting.
>>339546475
>>339547053
>It's "good"
LOL
>>339547186
Yeah, it's pretty good.
>>339547186
>VII isn't good
why
>>339546564
VIII had great summon designs.
>>339547016
MMO's are trash and you know it.
>>339547704
>best game in the entire series
>trash
>>339547285
>>339547419
Burden of proof niggas
>>339547867
It's an opinion nigga, you can't prove it. I could prove that I think the game is good, I've played it at least once a year since 1997.
>>339545912
What you're talking about is story mechanics, things that are pretty damn meaningless when it comes to drama, character motivations, plot, setting. Final Fantasy 5 had a cross dressing tomboy pirate and didn't dampen anything at all. She still displayed a rogueish and rebellious personality and just having a "job system" just implied that she could either be a pirate that used magic or a brute. The cool thing about FF5 is they bothered to change the graphics to fit the characters. For fucks sake have you even played FF12 where every aspect of the character to the weapons that they use can be edited?
>Guy defeats person in a fight
>"WAIT WIAT I NEED TO KNOW THE WEAPON HE WAS USING OR THE FIGHTING STYLE OR THE HAT HE WAS WEARING THIS IS SOME SHIT TIER WRITING"
Fucking MGS gets away with this shit all the time.
>>339547867
It's one of the most critically acclaimed and successful games of all time.
>>339530394
It's really bad, but it's enjoyable in spite of being really bad.
Go into it with the same mind you watch shitty B movies with, and you'll be alright.
>>339547993
IGN said The Last of Us and Fallout 4 were critically acclaimed, but that doesn't make it true.
>>339548089
I clearly wasn't talking about IGN.
>>339547978
>What you're talking about is story mechanics, things that are pretty damn meaningless when it comes to drama, character motivations, plot, setting.
Yet that's what Final Fantasy focuses on the most. So much so that you have entire games like FFIV and Tactics where the story mechanics overtake all gameplay.
>>339530394
It punishes you for leveling. Fuck that game.
>>339548149
Then who?
>>339531182
Spotted the furry loving faggot
>>339548089
Those games are critically acclaimed, despite being shit.
>>339530394
it's a meme
it's all a meme
this world is a meme
you're life is also a meme
>>339548373
My point exactly. FF7 is shit, despite being critically acclaimed.
>>339548431
Well that's a cool opinion dude.
>>339548303
Here comes the plain bbdddbbbbbbbp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII#Awards_and_accolades
>>339546334
Disk 1: Great game
Disk 2: Holy hell, the story fell apart and everything is a filler sidequest
Disk 3: There's a disk 3?
>>339548431
We asked you why you think it's shit. Specifically. The game is highly acclaimed. The default position is that it's good. If you think it's bad you need to offer your opinion as to why.
>>339548204
It's focused on a lot of details that could easily be interchanged. Rydia's summoner fixed class could easily be changed to a bard/monk/whore/whatever. Also Ramza is considered a knight/royal the whole story yet can job change to anything he wants sans a graphic change.
>>339548774
(You) just described VIII
>>339548991
I just described most FF games. Almost all of them start off strong, then fall apart with obligatory plot twists and forced drama.
>>339548515
>You don't l-like what I like? You sho-should leave!
You sound like Cloud there little buddy
>>339548527
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_of_Us#Awards
So The Last of Us: The Movie was a good game?
>>339548815
You assume I think it's bad. I don't think it's bad, I know it's bad. You tell me what's so good about it, and I'll knock down every single one of your points.
>>339534647
The 'translations' on this are fake, and the person responsible is trying to sway people into believing his opinions by pretending that it's the Japanese people saying this.
>>339548774
I want to bonk that hot little mexican girl.
>>339534094
The plot wasnt any worse than an alien Landing on a planet and stealing its life energy or an alien forgetting he was an alien and having to kill another alien. All the ff's have full retard plots
>>339549112
Tell me what you DON'T like about it. I'll knock down every single one of your points. Also game awards don't mean anything unless they're Japanese.
>>339548860
>Rydia's summoner fixed class could easily be changed to a bard/monk/whore/whatever.
Not without completely rewriting her point in the story. Which is based entirely on being the last of the summoners who didn't die.
Are you being stupid on purpose?
>>339546334
it was great 20 years ago
probably one of the best jrpg's on the console
and the combat was fun
and it featured cutscences and animations that were groundbreaking at the time
now?
Well it's still pretty solid
>>339549235
Here you go, I don't feel like typing it out
http://venturebeat.com/2009/12/04/a-case-study-of-final-fantasy-7-why-it-sucks/
>>339549112
I was just pointing out that opinions aren't facts and that it's silly to go into a thread about something you dislike just to start arguments. I never took the smile away from anybody's face, and that's a desperate way to look for someone who is still a child.
>>339549268
>Are you being stupid on purpose?
Are you? You really think you have to rewrite the WHOLE STORY just because some character's lore tidbit is changed? You know the whole worlds your oyster right? It's so easy to swap things for another. Wanna know how?YOU JUST MAKE SHIT UP
>>339549390
"I cast Bahamut Zero for the first time when I was in high school, and when the cut scene was done playing, I was 46 with arthritis and a swollen prostate. Don’t get me started on the use of save points and random battles, JRPG mainstays that exist only to waste my time. I have plenty of better things to do, like attending World of Warcraft conventions, staying indoors to maintain my pasty complexion, and writing sarcastic yet brilliant articles for Bitmob.com."
Top quality m8
>>339537969
>Selphie is waifu
My brother of African descent
>>339549553
Yeah, you're just an idiot.
>>339549410
You do realize where you are, right? This is /v/.
>>339538996
The price they paid for locking sorceress adel in space is radio interference. Not a bad price to pay.
>>339549768
No rebuttal, no understanding on how writing actually works. That was easy.
>>339549913
I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert, but I can live and breathe and see the sun in wintertime.
>>339549390
>Why do I hate such an adorable, fun loving ninja? First of all, her name is Yuffie.
Nice clickbait bullshit article faggot. Argument disproved. I win.
>>339549553
>You really think you have to rewrite the WHOLE STORY just because some character's lore tidbit is changed?
My original point was talking about how class based systems limited certain types of stroytelling. The fact that you're blowing it up into one specific thing having to rewrite the 'whole' story just shows how absurd your argument has become. I don't even think you know what your own argument is anymore.
its a meme to hate it. literally a hivemind/zeitgeist thing on /v/ that perpetuated itself so whenever its mentioned people who havent even touched the game automatically assume its bad. its one of the best FFs, my personal favorite of the PS1 era and has alot to offer the player if they are willing to give it a chance.
Ever since I got a hot gf I forgot why I liked FF8 so much.
>>339550550
>havent even touched the game
I beat the game. It's poop.
>>339538996
Because you didn't play the game.
Adel was too strong that her mind affected radio waves, rendering the Earth unable to communicate through it (the subliminal message seen on the screen is Adel's thoughts being broadcasted). The reason she was shot out to space was because Laguna had no tangible means of killing her, and her being launched into space was what allowed her to take control of radio waves to try to hypnotise people into releasing her (which is why they did away with radio and TV in the first place).
>>339550610
>hot gf
Ifrit?
>>339550704
Indeed
>>339530394
This is a game where literally the only winning move is not to play.
And not to play I mean to skip 90% of the game's content, which are side battles, or risk becoming underleveled because of a shitty enemy scaling system.
This is how shit it is.
>>339550750
I beat this game at level 100
git gud
>>339550704
Indeed.
>>339549202
Honestly, the whole orphanage thing was absolute bullshit, and I hated that Ultimecia was barely introduced and just appeared out of nowhere.
The story in CD1 was cool, CD2 was meh but had its moments but the plot really went to shit in the last two CDs.
Also, Squall was an awful MC and I hated having to control that whiny, edgy faggot. At least, getting to play Laguna from times to times compensated a bit for it.
>>339550704
Indee...wait, who? I need to lie down, my head thingy hurts.
>>339550329
Yeah and my point is that they don't. See: The most of the FF series. If FF4 was a job system game Rydia could easily be some last remaining humanoid mystical race. Like again, when it comes to small things like professions or fighting methods, ....little bearing on how conflicts are resolved. Look at Western films ripping off entire plot structures from samurai flicks. A lot of choreography changes, little effect on the plot or what ultimately happens.
FF Tactics has a considerably complex political plot compared to other games. Doesn't seem limited to the fact that Ramza could shoot arrows one fight sequence or start atatatatatata punching in the next.
>>339539036
The original Japanese version of the game is much better written, and it's the English 'translation' that confused most players. Square Enix never fixed it either, even when they had the means to do it (through the Steam port, and because they don't want to admit that they fucked up).
>>339550618
Why didn't they literally just send her at 10^10 sonics per second in a trajectory that takes her directly into the sun, or, for safety, into the emptyness of space? Wouldn't this literally make her pretty much dead, or is it implied that she can recalculate her trajectory back better than Jebediah Kerbin and could fart to get enough propulsion for the delta v?
Why the fuck would they keep her around as a pet and risk her falling down back to earth or someone going there at any time?
