>character least in need of a nerf is getting nerfed
http://www.pcgamer.com/it-sounds-like-overwatchs-mccree-is-going-to-get-nerfed/
>>339529832
You're fucking dumb
>>339529832
>implying
yea because a hero killing a full heath tank with just one keystroke and right click is balanced.
>>339532231
Learn to fight Mcree at range and he isn't a problem. Stop bitching.
>>339529832
>>339533932
>t. Original "Mcree Shitter" Poster
>>339529832
>McCree
>character least in a need of a nerf is getting nerfed
>when McCree's percentage of being chosen in comp play is well above 100% because teams routinely have 2-3 McCrees
Alright then, who do you think needs a nerf and why?
>Character role is "be the undisputable 1-vs-1 champ"
>Does his role just as assigned
>People cry
You know what causes this? Cause people refuse to play in teams and always try to be the lone guy. This gets them killed.
But now McCree gets a nerf because people are too fucking dumb, have no foresight, refuse to gain map awareness and observe enemy behaviour to counter intelligently.
And this nerf will not be the last. There will be more outcries. And each one follows a nerf. The game will be more unbalanced each time a patch hits. And the spiral of patches will just move on.
>>339534462
widowmaker. slut is op
>>339534603
You didn't explain why Widow should be nerfed.
>>339529832
why are Mcree mains so delusional?
if you think Mcree is least deserving of a nerf you either haven't played the game or you're trolling
>>339534549
>it's fine that one non-tank requires multiple teammates to beat with zero counters but every other non-tank can be beaten 1v1 by a clear counter.
>>339534549
Except he was designed to be a midrange character which is why his weapon can practically snipe
It's Destiny's PVP all over again.
>Oh no it's too strong
>Don't buff the rest, just nerf the one thing
>>339529832
He's the character most in need of a nerf, along with Lucio (although I don't think Lucio should necessarily be nerfed, they just need to buff the other healers). The only character who is more of a problem than him is widowmaker, but you can't make a hitscan sniper balanced in this kind of game. She just needs to be removed.
>>339534549
>You know what causes this? Cause people refuse to play in teams and always try to be the lone guy. This gets them killed.
But now McCree gets a nerf because people are too fucking dumb, have no foresight, refuse to gain map awareness and observe enemy behaviour to counter intelligently.
Yeah, tell that to the professional teams
There's a tank with the same one-shot capability as Mccree.
But he's okay.
Alright, Blizzard, prepare for the outcries of Genji/Tracer nerfs when you're done with little old Robo Dead Redemption.
>>339534549
>Play as a team
>Stay close to my tank and my healer
>Everything is going great, good team work is winning us the game
>Enemy Mccree presses Q
>Whole team is dead
What kind of "1-vs1" champ has an ult that can wipe entire groups easily?
>>339534462
>Overwatch
>comp play
>>339535016
I think competitive play in Overwatch of all games is stupid, but it exists and Blizzard has said it factors comp play into their balance choices rather than shitters crying about Bastion mowing down retards.
>>339534603
Well good news, Widow is probably getting nerfed too
>>339534995
This.
The ride has begun. The demand for nerfs will never stop.
>Revolver has 6 bullets
>Each team has 6 players
>High noon uses 1 bullet for each instakill
Don't you see? Mccree wasnt designed to be in Overwatch. Overwatch was designed around Mccree.
>People think Widow should be nerfed
>No just countering with Tracer/Reaper/Genji/literally anyone with high mobility and flanking ability
The question is how do you nerf him without completely breaking him?
>>339535016
Blizzard is going to wipe that smile right off your face by pumping millions into the competitive scene.
>>339535291
if he is supposed to counter tracer and genji his right click should only do that much damage.
>>339534317
How bad are you at vidya?
>Genji can just deflect high noon and kill McCree with it
lol you fags can't even play this game
Why does nobody mention Torbjörn's turret in these nerf threads?
>Decent damage output
>Very fast speed
>Sniper range
>Fucking ludicrous aiming speed
>Robust amount of HP
>>339535291
have to hit someone with pocketsand to get the stun instead of just throwing it at the ground
>>339535291
Make fan the hammer not automatic, you have to physically click each time to shoot.
Dumb people are bad at video games, listening to the bitching cries of people who can't counter stuff is a path to madness.
>>339530991
this.
/thread
>>339535156
I just have to ride it out until they go full retard and buff Reinhardt.
Then I will be able to play with my favourite character, I remember I settled for Mccree after seeing how fucking unresponsive his charge is.
>>339535265
>switch to Tracer
>zip into her face
>she hookshots into her team and their McCree(s) kill you if you chase
>switch to Genji
>same thing except you might deflect the flashbang but then the entire team is on you anyway
>switch to Reaper
>warp up to her
>she hookshots away
>you have no mobility without warp so she just snipes you unless you wraith away
How can they nerf McCree without making him utterly useless, though? The pocket sand fast shot is the only thing that really makes him stand out.
>>339535375
high noon isn't the problem? also mccree can just cancel it or not fire when genji's going weeaboo infront of him
The fact that McCree is the only character unanimously double picked in all competitive comps just goes to show he is overtuned
>>339535375
>thinking 12 bong is the reason mccree is OP and not the fact that he can destroy 90% of the cast in one go with flashbang fan, and the other 10% with a flashbang fan roll fan
>>339535291
The designer claims the only changes they'll make will be to fan the hammer, so my guess is just lowering the damage on it to the point where it can't kill a tank with a FTH/Roll/FTH combo
i still dont know why tf3 is so over hyped
>>339535470
Reduce the damage on FtH. It shouldn't deal 100% damage on every shot. This is just like Fire Emblem 4 where Astra lets you hit five times in a row at 100% damage on every swing. You ever wonder why Astra in future games isn't 100% on every swing? Because in Genealogy, proccing Astra is a death sentence to the enemy.
>>339535265
McCree shits on all those characters.
He can just throw the Flashbang on the floor and stun Genji with the AoE
>>339535548
>high noon isn't the problem?
This very thread proves you wrong.
People who cry nerf can't even state why.
>Boo hoo I get killed by this thing it must be broken
>>339535429
>bind AHK script to rmb
>fiddle with the timing until firerate is maxed out
completely pointless change
> There are people who actually think Widowmaker needs nerfing
Winston destroys her, and you've got at least 5 other good flanking options to get the jump on her before she can even react (Tracer, Reaper, D.Va, Genji, Hanzo).
If she's annoying you, she's just doing her job as a Sniper. Either get somebody to counter her or have a better Sniper on your team.
Fuck, I don't even play her because I'm useless with Sniper Rifles, but she isn't even in my top 5 of most hated to go up against. If anything, she only annoys me when we have 2+ on our team when attacking.
>>339529832
delete mei from the game pls
>>339529832
lucio is the one that needs a nerf
>people on /v/ tell me mercy is for 'lazy' healers
>trying all support heroes
>finally get to lucio
>skate around pressing e and knocking people back
>only mccree and roadhog can kill me consistently as I literally just skate away
>easy 8k healing every game for doing almost nothing
>ult makes everyone tank tier
>>339535469
Duh, that's the intended strategy for Widow. Otherwise she's pretty squishy and slow and is almost useless in close range.
>>339535291
stun doesnt stop the enemy from moving, just blinds them.
>>339535469
How can you not kill Widowmaker with Reaper? Are you retarded? What are you doing just teleporting right next to someone?
>>339535413
It's supposed to counter tracers and genjis who are highly evasive having to hit them with it makes him unable to do that reliably.
>>339535635
Did you read the thread? You were the first person to parrot the "high noon is op" meme. The article and everyon itt is talking about flashbang+fth combo which is capable of taking out tanks
>>339534995
>genji nerf
Lol there's nothing even to nerf
>>339535265
I don't think she should be nerfed, she should just be removed from the game entirely. Snipers are cancer in every FPS. Hanzo is cancerous when he just spams corners but he's not as bad as Widowmaker because he's not hitscan.
>>339535763
It doesn't matter, she'll never be in a close range fight ever unless she has her entire team with her. If you don't think Widowmaker is a problem you have never played with or against anyone who is remotely skilled with her.
>>339535659
She at least needs her aim to bob when being shot at, for fucks sake. A remotely decent widowmaker can just body shot everyone and change the whole game.
>>339534878
this is implying all the other classes are undertuned, which isn't true at all
>>339535683
Both are in need of a nerf, if the comp play is anything to be believed. They're too safe a choice to not incorporate in a team.
>>339534996
>dying to 12:00 pm
>ever
your bad lmoa
when i first started playing i thought i was good with mccree because i got a shitton of kills. then i realised he's overpowered af. fuck him
>>339535339
>it's only supposed to do 150 damage
then people would just left click you mongoloid.
>>339535875
The only way to kill Widowmaker is to burst her down before her hookshot takes her back to her team. If you get anywhere near her as Reaper she's going to hookshot away. If you think Reaper even remotely counters her then you play against deaf retards who don't hear you coming and don't pay any attention to their surroundings.
>>339534996
You literally just need to move behind something
>>339535915
>aim to blurr or bob
>charge rate to max increased by like a second or so
wow shes suddenly fixed
>>339535375
High Noon is fine. It's got such a long charge up and is so telegraphed, that you're only really fucked if you're a slow character out in the open.
Stun + Fan being a guaranteed kill against anyone (aside from Roadhog with a Mercy, Lucio, and S76 all healing him, and he's also got Symettra and Torb's shields on)? That's the problem.
>>339535594
>he didn't read the post carefully
>>339529832
>possible D.Va buffs
I'm ready.
>>339535683
Hog can't even kill Lucio consistently unless he gets a lucky headshot after a hook or if Lucio's boop is on CD when he pulls him. If Lucio can boop him away then hog can't kill him without headshotting.
>>339535409
Because people aren't that bad. Torb is almost never picked when I play (thank God I outleveled all those shitters) and if he is he's super easy to deal with unless the player is really good with his left click since that shit will fuck you up.
>Nerf High Noon before nerfing skillbot
Makes sense.
>>339534995
mcrightclick is there to kill genji and tracer
he has no business melting tanks
his right click should be able to kill these 2 people not a tank.
>>339534996
>play Reinhardt
>hear "IT'S HIGH NOON"
>turn my shield towards McCree
>he doesn't get a single fucking kill
McCree's ult isn't really that good m8.
>>339535635
The worst thing about high noon is that it's the only ult that refunds 50% even if you don't do anything with it.
>>339529832
so its begun, the Blizzard balancing act of kneejerk over nerfs.
typical Blizzard
>>339536106
She really does need them, currently she is just a worse Winston.
>>339534996
>Play as a team
>Stay close to my tank and my healer
>Everything is going great, good team work is winning us the game
>Enemy Mccree presses Q
>Widowmaker fucking destroys him
or
>entire team shoots him at same time
or
>bastion fucking annihilates him
or
>Hanzo kills him
or
etc.
FTFY
just reduce the time of his nigh noon state and it will be perfect
>>339536068
He did? You think any of those characters is ever going to get to kill a widowmaker before she retreats in to her team which will probably have a McCree? If you think that, then you don't play against anyone decent at the game.
>>339536298
>Make a shitty ult even shittier
good job senpai
>>339536264
>currently she is just a worse Winston.
>D.Va buffs to bring her in line with Winston
nice.
>>339535876
>It's supposed to counter tracers and genjis who are highly evasive having to hit them with it makes him unable to do that reliably.
hog hook is not aoe either and you can grapple tracers and genjis just fine with it, at even longer ranges than the pocketsand actually works in
>>339534549
except you can be pushing the payload as a team and he can waddle his limpdick lookin ass up and still E+RMB someone and roll away/reload and finish someone else off
he deletes no matter what which is the problem
>stomping plebs on console with Symettra all day
Feels so good.
>>339534603
widow is probably getting nerfed too
>>339536264
Dude in the article says he wants to fix D.Va without affecting her damage output.
Honestly, I think just removing the slowdown penalty when firing would be enough. I'm not sure why that was even added.
>>339535409
The only shitty thing about Torb's turret is the range. The rest is just a weak version of a TF2 sentry. He can't out repair any kind of focused fire, and the level 1 turret might as well be a peashooter with all the damage it does.
If anything mention the damage on his main attack. Shit will melt almost anyone if you can aim it.
>>339535887
It's not going to stop Bastion players.
solider 'I can do it all man' 67 also needs a nerf.
>>339536452
>The rest is just a weak version of a TF2 sentry
The TF2 sentry wasn't an aimbot that took 10 milliseconds to turn 180 degrees.
>>339536264
> she doesn't need buffs
> because there's another character that does what she does more effectively
>>339535659
the only thing she needs changed is charge time, its way to fast
>>339535291
Flashbang needs to be a direct hit to stun
Roll now travels farther and has reduced cool down but no longer reloads his revolver
Slight increase to damage drop-off
>>339536531
I think his Ult does at least. That's far more of an instant kill option than High Noon is. You can be a Widowmaker on the other side of the map, and he still kills you by accident.
>>339536658
>not reading the post that states that she needs buffs
>>339536596
>he honestly thinks torbs sentry is better than the sentry in tf2.
That thing is weaker than a mini.
It's like peashooter from a tower defense game that pelts people gently for 16 seconds before killing them.
>>339533932
Have you ever encountered a pro mcree?
im just waiting for a bastion rework
i just want him to be fun to play instead of camping in a spot and rolling the dice on whether the enemy team is retarded or shits all over you
d.va needs a buff, make her able to actually strafe while shooting or make her critical box smaller.
>>339534878
>let's buff 20 heroes
>while we could just nerf 1
Some excellent logic right there buddy
Every class except the class i main needs a nerf.
It's high noon
>>339536658
reread the post
>>339536401
she is tho.
>>339536431
That would increase her damage output.
>>339536596
This
the turret's main problem is its chip damage ability
you just run by it for a split second and take 14 damage. then you do it over and over and it ends up killing you.
Toblerone turret needs an aim speed slowdown
>>339529832
>Least need of a nerf
>Super fast reload that lets him roll away
>Stun that lasts a shit ton
>Kills 200 life characters in 3 body shots and can kill pretty much all tanks in a clip
>1 v 1 will stun you because his stun is brainless with a giant AOE and gives him forever to get shots off.
>Almost no good counters besides Reinhardt for his ult
>His ult during a team battle is almost always a guaranteed 1-2 kills atleast.
You also realize by saying hes in the least need of a nerf you're implying hes the worst in the game? Hes top 3 easily and in need of a nerf to one of his things.
>>339536921
>that mcree at 90%
its almost time
>>339536926
>she is tho.
she melts supports faster than winston, and her escape is way more reliable and fine tuned.
Only thing winston has is that hes stronger against groups but that doesn't mean hes strong in group fights.
>>339536837
Are you serious? It aims quickly from afar and kills a 200hp character in less than 2 seconds.
>>339529832
what is this high noon meme?
what does it mean?
>l-look just because McCree & Lucio are in every single group in comp d-d-doesn't mean they're overpowered!
>>339536921
God the meta is so fucking boring.
>>339529832
>press e
>right click
>kill 600 hp roadhog
SKILL
KK
I I
L L
L L
>>339536016
You know, countering characters isn't just as simple as, who would win in a 1v1 fight. For example, D.Va is a hard counter to Widowmaker, not because she has an easy time killing her, because Widowmaker can see her coming a mile away and D.Va is useless outside of point blank range. No, D.Va counters Widowmaker because D.Va can totally throw her off her game plan, boosting into her and knocking her off a sniping point, making it harder for her to snipe effectively. The same can be argued for Tracer, Genji or Reaper. Just pressuring Widowmaker might just be all you need to do to get her off and away from your team. Think on that.
>>339536232
a lot of alts are like that
>>339535291
Make the flashbang hit only. The fact it has a AOE is retarded and 90% of McCrees who have killed me never hit me dead on with the thing in fact its always retardedly off.
Also reduce his damage slightly so he can't kill Tanks in one clip. He should do 75% to a tank at most in a clip and require atleast 5-6 hits on any normal health and above hero.
>>339537114
Lucios not OP, its just the other supports are more dependant on teams.
>>339536297
maybe when with friends.
you gotta remember, pubs are full of sea slugs with keyboards.
>>339537061
the thing with winston though is he can kill pretty much every character that doesnt have amor besides mcree and if your teammates back you up and take that armor away from the characters that do its easy picking for winston
>>339537160
McSkill
:^)
>>339537213
Lucio is still used on every team though
>>339529832
>can throw flashbang above reinhardts shield
>can fire 12 that do 70 damage a piece in less than 2 seconds thanks to roll-reload
>1v1 can kill anything except an Ult'd winston or armored up Torb because he can plant 850 damage with 12 shots
>Long range and accuracy sniping.
He isn't OP, but it'd be nice if they just reduced his revolver damage some, or at least made fan the hammer have some cooldown. 12 shots is just an instantwin at close-mid range again every other class, even without flashbang.
Now if we want to talk about people who NEED SERIOUS nerfs, Widowmaker is the person you're looking for.
>>339537213
Lucio has been considered a demigod since day 1. Even when Zenyatta was overpowered and able to harmony orb everyone Lucio was still more overpowered. Get good with him anon.
>>339534859
>he was designed to be a midrange
I disagree. roll, flashbang, and fan are all closerange
>>339537213
>Lucio isn't OP
Nevermind that Lucio is used on every team and teams will even double up Lucio because having two Lucios is typically better than Lucio + what Mercy or Zen bring.
>tfw winning a high noon duel with another McCree
>>339537071
Bro, Torb is pretty bad. People aren't dumb enough to die to the turret anymore and its only real use is to block a flank while you pretend to be Reaper Jr. If you die to his turret more than once you're awful, pain and simple.
I love playing Pirate Torb, but even Symmetra is better at what he is supposed to do. When I see him or a Bastion (or both), I'm happy because it's a free win.
>>339537071
>200hp character in less than 2 seconds.
alright buddy, lets say he leveled it to full, the thing does what, shoots four bullets per second and that's 14 hp per shot so 52 hp a second.
After 4 seconds it will kill a 200 hp class.
in tf2 a sentry does 128 damage per second.
So yeah
>>339537180
If you die right after ulting as someone like Reaper or Genji then yes, but McCree can refund 50% of his even if he uses it for the full duration, but doesn't fire it. He can even cancel it too for 50% if he wants.
McCree has the issue that he can 1-shot pretty much everyone in the game, and the cost of his ammo isn't a big deal because of his roll. I feel like him 1-shotting a tracer, genji, or any of the less tanky heroes is fine.
However, him being able to 1-shot Reinhardt, Roadhog, and Winston is a little over the line. One could say just fight him at a range, but there are a lot of situations where you cannot deal with him.
He is extremely safe and takes very little though to play, which is a problem. Having him be an anti-offense character makes more sense, as it gives him a specific role and not just "1 shot anyone short of an ulting winston."
There are other balance changes I hope they address. The absurd charge rate on Widow and Mercy, Zenyatta being pretty worthless, Lucio being the best support in 90% of the situations.
>>339536883
Yea why bring other heros up to par with the others when we could just gut one guy and say fuck you to his playerbase
It's peopel like you that ruined assfaggots back when i was still playing
and you faggots never stop
once maccre gets it you are gonna point at someone else until everyone is so shit only the new heros will be viable
>>339537270
Sure but thats because its hard to do bad with him. So hes a safe pick, not OP.
>>339537316
Im decent with him, I just feel like he's reasonable. Other supports do way better than him but only in clutch scenarios, while he doesn't have many of those clutch scenarios but good in a general scene
>>339537367
Ive never seen that but personally he doesnt feel the most impactful support, but a generally good pick
They need a support that counters movement heroes and high movement teams.
Like an aim assist character or something
I think McCree is the easiest hero in the game by far, but not too strong against proper comps that understand his burst potential.
I only ever pick him to make somebody detestable enough to pick Mei's life suck so much they leave or change hero.
Then I'll change hero too.
mercys ult charge is fine, she does have the fastest single heal but it is only single.
>>339537061
except winston is more mobile(his leap is actually both a better approach tool and a better escape tool than dva's jetpack), you don't have to aim his gun, can hit multiple people at the same time, has a better shield ability and is a better disruptor/flanker in general. the only thing dva has over winston is she can clear objectives better with her ult than winston can with his.
that's the reason why dva is not really played that much while winston is picked in like 60% of the games in competitive play
Increase the timer on his stun. Sick of getting stunned then chasing the fucker to have him stun me again.
Widow, McCree, and Lucio all need nerfs and then we're good to go
>>339535469
why don't you just pick winston and smash their back line
>>339535569
Because there's no need for any other damage character when there is one who can delete any other character in the game at will.
>>339537791
>Chasing McCree
That doesn't deserve a nerf, you are just an idiot.
He is overpowered and as Blizzard says his only problem is that he can melt tanks in 1 combo.
I feel like if they reduced the damage of fan the hammer by 33% at most he would be fine.
>>339537465
I feel like Lucio isn't even that OP, it's just that he and Mercy are the only actual healers in the game
I see a lot of Mercy+Lucio comps in competitive except and double Lucio in KoTH mode
>Things that are fun to play get's nerfed because they are OP
>things that are just down right annoying to play agains stays the same because just because they are annoying and piss everyone off it doesn't make them good
Every time
>>339537584
Go away, McCree. No one thinks E RMB is skillful.
>>339536837
The thing has range for fucking days and is already looking at you when you're stood behind a wall. The TF2 sentry has a small window where it actually has to turn to face you, which is where the balance there comes in.
Not to mention that Torb's own gun is pretty strong. Combined with the fact the game is built around chokepoints, you've got 5 other people also trying to kill you. That "peashooter" damage is often more than enough.The saving grace is that Junkrat is rather effective against him.
>>339536842
well if you would play at a pro level you wouldn't bitch about mcrees since you have two as them aswell.
My favorite OW picture.I can actually hear him say it.
>>339533932
>Learn to fight Mcree at range and he isn't a problem.
none of the tanks engage at range, and him instakilling tanks is the issue.
>>339537910
I think it's less that Lucio and Mercy are OP (Besides her charge time) it's mainly that Symmetra and Zen are fucked at the moment. I feel like Zen should either get some form of mobility or a tiny boost to his health. The fact that a sniper can one shot him with body shots makes him pretty worthless. I think his damage already covers for his sub-par healing though. Symmetra just needs to be redone though. Worthless on attack, and worthless on defense when you reach the second half of the map, actually a joke on KOTH.
They need to rethink the supports a bit.
>>339537950
People will probably disagree with you, but yeah there are a lot of annoyances in this game that are considered "bad" because they can be countered.
>>339537685
you just described winston and countering heroes is not the job of a support.
his right click is absolutely ridic
and i say this as someone who plays literally only him
hopefully they don't pull a riot games and over-do it though
McCree was designed to be an anti-flanker by being able to dispatch of the squishy offense heroes easily while lacking their mobility options. Right now he can unload 12 shots in less than 2 seconds to kill literally any hero in the game.
Why doesn't Zenyatta's Orb of Discord reveal?
>>339537860
I don't have any problem with Widomaker in terms of balance, you can just switch to Winston and give her the hot monkey dick, but my issue is that snipers in every slow FPS are always anti-fun cancer and don't make the game any more enjoyable for anyone unless they're balanced around the pace of the game or aren't hitscan snipers (IE Hanzo, who also has an ult that has a unique purpose to counter things and isn't just a "we get to cheat for a little while" button like Widow's is). She just shouldn't be in the game.
I have the same problems with Mei, I think she should be more focused on area denial and stalling than hurr freeze mechanic because freezing is anti-fun, but Mei gets shat on by a lot of characters unlike Widowmaker who is legitimately overpowered and requires a specific character to do nothing but constantly counter her.
>>339537584
assfaggots was shit since the beginning, and it was ruined by the retarded nerfs that completely destroy a character instead of the ones that make it on par with the others. They already said they wont touch the stun, which is a great skill, what the fuck are you complaining? And also, why the fuck they would balance the game around a single character? is much fucking better to nerf one instead of BUFFING EVERY OTHER CHARACTER
Fuck you McCree user, you just want your fucking op shit bastard cowboy so you can enjoy pubstomping people because you're otherwise unable to do so.
>>339537996
Stop fighting it like it's a tf2 sentry. Draw torb out by picking at the turret, and then kill him when he rounds the corner and then let the team mop up the turret.
>>339538048
I DID NAWT I DID NAWT FLASH BANG HER SHES LYING
>>339533932
I like to know what tank you are playing that is good from medium-long range. Its okay for him to completely destroy other attackers/defenders at close range, but when he literally melts tanks there is clearly something wrong.
>>339529832
>it is the current time
>>339538231
Mainly because it disappears behind cover anyways.
>>339537950
>throw flashbang fan hammer
>fun to play
>>339537061
>she melts supports
Yeah, then they move away.
>>339536921
Rein being almost required on ANY team at ANY level is a little bit worrying, and says everything about the map design in this game. Nerf's and Buff's may mean that McCree and Lucio aren't always required over the other options, but I don't think anything will make Rein lose his team spot.
>>339536849
they said they're gonna make her more inline with winston
meaning you'll probably be able to move at normal speeds while shooting?
>>339529832
Mccree is my most played hero and he's in need of a nerf. As is, there should be at least one, if not two, on every team, attack or defense, on every map.
>>339538119
Sym is great on payload D, though. I always use her. I think it's okay that there are characters that are only good on certain maps although Sym needs to be added to defense and not support. They do need more healers, though. Shit gets boring.
>>339538261
I mean, Widow's only real issue is that her charge on her ult is a bit quick for how ungodly useful it is. I cannot count how many times a friendly Widow has made me actual cancer while playing Junkrat. I can see them, I know how to annoy them, and I fuck with them all game.
>>339538374
I've seen plenty of teams run with no ren, requires high aggression and back line disruption
>>339538429
They need no healers
>>339538361
>shoot at a supports face
>they run away with little to no hp
>boost into them and melee right when they thought they were safe
Shes fucking amazing at picking off supports.
>Character is the definitive choice for damage, to the point of getting tripple picked on the majority of teams in tournaments
>LEL BUY WHY DAY NERF HIM DOH
>WHY NOT NERF THIS OTHER PERSON WHO HAS A 1% PICK RATE!!111!?
Great, all the casuals who couldn't figure out not to engage a close range character in a close range fight banded together to unite their voices and nerf a character that didn't need nerfing.
As if the game isn't casual enough already, in a few months time it will probably be at the state where every single class is just designed to run screaming right at their opponents and rolling their faces on their keyboards, because having enemies that you actually have to engage carefully was asking too much of the Overwatch audience. Hopefully they will go and change the maps so that all the flanking routes are overgrown and unused to represent the stupidity of the primary audience.
Thanks for ruining everything again you casual fucking shitters.
>>339538518
what the fuck are you trying to say?
All he needs to be more or less fixed is not to reload automatically on a roll, and MAYBE a decrease to reload speed
the flashbang is honestly the least overpowered thing about him
>>339535314
>these delusional fanboy tears
its 20 tic
its not balanced at all
its shit, its shit meta
>>339538552
t. McCreetard
>>339535291
Cooldown on his right click.
>>339538510
As a person who primarily plays Tracer, DVA is the worst hero in the entire game by a colossal margin.
I've killed DVA probably around 400 or so times by now and I've died twice that I can remember, both to her far superior not-mech form.
>>339538678
or give the hammer fan a short cooldown like lucio's knockback to fix the problem of him melting tanks
>>339538448
Her ult is too fast, her shots charge too fast, her shots deal too much on a bodyshot, and her gun has too much ammo before a reload is necessary.
Hanzo is a balanced sniper and isn't anti-fun like Widowmaker, with an ult that actually fulfills a niche use instead of just being a cheat. There's no reason for Widowmaker to be in the game except to pander to CS faggots who think sniping takes skill in a slow game like CS or Overwatch.
>>339534462
widowmaker
>okay guys you know how in tf2 the sniper has to wait inbetween shots, has to get headshots, has to wait for his rifle to charge, moves slow as shit, and only has a pissy smg to defend himself at close range?
>well fuck all that our sniper can do anything she wants
>>339538552
I don't want him to lose his close range prowess. I want him to stop running up to full health tanks without cover and fucking 1-shotting them. No one should be allowed to 1-shot a full health roadhog other than ults and snipers.
>>339538552
So what is your long range tank?
just pink his stun and ward his right-click
dude what? mccree should get smacked with the nerf bat
>>339538506
Well yes, I wish that too, but that's not the direction they chose.
>>339537989
>>339538272
Since fucking when did i say Maccre didn't need a nerf?
I could not care less if they took like 50-100 dmg off fan the hammer, combo is gonna oneshot squishies anyway
I just fucking hate people that cry for nerfs all day because they play a shit hero
>Has over a 100% pick ratio
>Doesn't need a nerf
He needs a nerf, a hard counter, or both.
>>339538210
They build a team playstyle that normally counters another playstyle.
Lucio creates team movement that kills off any straglers. Mercy does this tanky shit with her team that counters the slow picking off team mates style. zenyatta builds a sniper team that picks off tanky enemies. There should be pick type that's good at countering lucio.
>>339538119
It's weird that Symmetra and Zenyatta are even considered supports, they're so different from Lucio and Mercy that even if you have Sym/Zen you still need an actual healer
Symmetra feels like a defense hero and Zenyatta is just this weird glass cannon with a healing ult
>>339536883
It's the Valve way. Fight broken with more broken
>>339534549
>undisputable 1-vs-1 champ
lmao so pro games end up having four mcrees per game
sorry but once you start adding CC, it destroys other characters just like in every moba ever
mobashit was a mistake. They could have made a nice class based shooter. Instead it's about counting ultimates and countering ultimates with flashbang
>>339538326
>Literally being able to 1v1 anyone regardless of sice or class
>not fun
>>339538758
>tanks are the only class in the game
And you wonder why people call you as fucking casual, there's a dozen other characters you could play you fucking moron.
>Goodman hinted that changes could be coming to D.Va as well. In response to a question about her relatively low damage output, he said she and Winston were both designed that way, because “they are both very mobile and very hard to kill.
>very hard to kill
THIS IS BULLSHIT
D.VA's hitbox is fucking gigantic, so her mecha dies in a second if the other one can actually aim. What the fuck is this guy talking about?
>>339538698
No I'm actually with you on OW not being a competitive game at all. What I wanted to say was that Blizzard doesn't care and that OW will always have a competitive scene because they'll just keep pumping cash into it.
>>339538772
McCREEE is balanced because both teams can pick as many as they want fampai :^)
>>339538552
>Cree main upset his fan is getting nerfed
Its okay shitter, you might actually learn how to play now instead of sitting in a room and waiting to flashbang
>>339538735
So like do you want to tell me how bastion is weak because you play widow-maker primarily?
>>339538876
Zen should stay a support. He gives a healing buff, a damage debuff to enemies, and has a lifesaver ult. Symmetra though doesn't fit into the role.
>Overwatch is already unplayable unless you are literally playing with 4 or more friends
>so much balancing issues already
>20 tickrate, dude you died behind a wall, but not for them!
>no possible way to kick retarded players from your team, you're forced to lose or abandon and suffer a 2 hour matchmaking delay
>can only stay afk for 5 seconds and than you're instantly booted, even if you go get a bottle of water
there's so much problems with this fucking game, and the beta has been out for a god damn year. what the fuck have they been doing this entire time?
Is it possible to disable mouse acceleration somehow? It's fucking hard to aim in this game because of that.
>>339538935
>I can't into D.va the post
Layer your abilties, there should be no time where you're vulnerable unless you choose to be.
>>339538902
>, there's a dozen other characters you could play
So he instakills tanks and your solution to this issue is, just don't have tanks?
Did you think this through?
>>339538803
Except in this case the 'shit hero' is every other hero in the game. Sorry, but you are actually going to have to learn to aim now :(
>>339529832
>Flashbang isn't getting a nerf
>He won't be able to burst tanks as well
This is good news, flashbang needs to stick. Him shredding tanks solo was the only egregious shit in his kit.
Any EUPS4players up to play?
>>339534672
Because the sniper tends to be a problematic element in most FPS games and as a sniper, Widowmaker's one of the most forgiving as they come.
Her ult charges incredibly quickly, has no warning for the other team unlike quite literally every single ultimate in the game and she has the same issue Mcree does where she not only forces certain picks (Winston or even a counter Widow come to mind), but she also makes some picks absolutely unusable. Try and play Zenyatta with a Widowmaker on the enemy team.
Her bodyshots do absolutely absurd damage for how they charge in under a second, her fire rate is far too high, and the automatic fire on her gun is honestly good for a character that should outright lose if you manage to get to her.
That's why Winston has gotten popular with pick rates, he's not necessarily strong on his own (though two Winstons is absolutely fucking retarded), but he's actually capable of chasing down a Widowmaker, because anyone who isn't as mobile as D.Va or Winston will generally not be able to catch up after she grapples away. Comparing Widow to Hanzo is a sad joke, despite the fact they're meant to basically do the same job.
Mcree also does this, but the only difference is he blocks several picks (Why would you ever pick Mei into Mcree, it's virtually unwinnable.) Reaper also struggles with Mcree. Genji has the best chance of doing okay against him but you'll notice hes basically never picked.
That and the only reliable counter to Mcree is another Mcree.
Would you a genderbent McCree?
>>339538951
And you're probably happy that now you don't have to learn how to play because Blizzard is visualizing the game even more for useless fags like you who can't kill a fucking McCree.
>mfw 6 torbs and all the armor packs on the point
>every time the enemy team pushes they just run around collecting armor to stay alive
>>339538942
somebody seems to actaully be saying this >>339538902
So I cannot tell if either of you are taking the piss.
>>339538892
What I mean is: what takes less time and it's probabily going to be a more balanced option, without op stuff coming from nowhere etc.?
Buffing 20 heroes or nerfing a single one?
>>339538993
It's just McCree retardo
>>339538902
If you are the team's only tank, you know you really can't just say "Fuck it I am going 76 to kill that McCree."
>>339539059
You're describing every hero in this game.
>>339538876
No Zen actually feels liek a support and I dig his heal/amplify damage mechanic. Symmetra is just a fuckup design-wise. Being a squishy support that can't even heal she should have insane other abilities, that isn't really the case.
>>339538698
Competitive games aren't 20 tick you retard
>>339538993
the fact that widowmaker was released the way she was, and that reinhardt is mostly essential in most games should show that they had no idea what there were balancing.
That charge shot timer is so low, coupled with her aim not being affected is a ridiculous gameplay oversight. Most widowmakers don't even need to aim for the head because they can kill practically anything with bodyshots before you can react.
>>339538993
>>Overwatch is already unplayable unless you are literally playing with 4 or more friends
How is this so? I play solo just fine. Sure, when playing with friends we tend to win more often but when playing solo it really isn't that much worse.
I think Winston could use a small buff to his shield.
>>339539076
The game is about swapping characters to counter the enemy, I'm sorry if your autism makes you focus on just one character and refuse to play any others. I never thought I would find someone who found a casual game like Overwatch as difficult and complicated as you seem to but here we are.
>OW isn't competitive
>It has competitions
choose one
>>339539198
I wish, theres a lot of heroes that have no answer to a problem. D.va has a good answer to everything.
>yfw the balance changes fix everything and break nothing
Why is there no ranked in the game?
>>339538993
I play alone fine for 35 levels now.55% winrate however.
>>339537098
he says it's high noon before he casts his ultimate spell
>>339539147
>Smoking
Pass
I don't understand why he even has a flashbang
That's not cowboyish at all, sounds like something Genji would use
>>339536207
>Have 2 other faggots behind your shield
>High noon locks on the 3 of you, first 2 shots instagibs your shield, and 3rd guy dies
And any semi competent McCree wouldn't solo ult a Reinherdt who's out of position when he can just stun you
>>339529832
>“I've been watching McCree carefully since we've released. McCree's flashbang plays an important role in being a strong option against very fast/agile teams (tracers/genjis/etc). It is also a nice tool to prevent close range devastating abilities and ultimates such as Reaper's Death Blossom,” Goodman wrote on the Battle.net forums. “That said, its probably a bit too good at dealing damage to higher health targets such as Tanks and barriers. I don't have any concrete changes yet, but I'm going to be testing some things internally to see how he plays.”
In a follow-up, he clarified that he wasn't talking specifically about the flashbang, the focus of the message that started the thread, but the deadly combo of the flashbang and McCree's “fan the hammer” ability, which lets him empty his entire cylinder in one quick, powerful burst. “By saying 'its probably a bit too good at dealing damage to higher health targets' I mean his flash/fan combo, not the flash itself,” Goodman wrote. “Fan is more likely to see changes than flash at this point.”
>y-you just need to git gud
>m-mcree is fine, a whole tt-team can counter him if they work together!
Even the lead dev said he's too good.
Sorry for your loss.
>>339539235
Whenever the other team has a good Widowmaker I just switch to Genji and focus her down. This pretty much shuts her down immediately. If you want Widows to stop killing your team you need to counter her directly. If you're not a good sniper then Genji is the best, learn to play him
>>339539147
I prefer R63 JunkratWhere's the porn for R63 Junkrat and R63 Roadhog?
>>339538876
The support issue boils down moreso to the fact that Lucio, and to a lesser extent Mercy, are just so much fucking better than the other supports.
Though granted my only complaint with Mercy is her ult charges at an unacceptable pace.
When you combine Mercy with a Lucio on top of that, you pretty much need to immediately do the same or you /will/ lose.
>>339538987
>>339539204
I feel like there should be a "need a healer" suggestion. The "no builder" is worthless, it's not like you need Torbjörn or Symmetra every time you defend
>>339539305
They didn't want people to concentrate on having a bigger e-dick. This is also the reason they don't count "kills", but rather just eliminations.
>>339539259
>Winston could use a small buff
>>339539140
Widowmaker ult does have a warning when she uses it, but I don't think it gets played to people if they're far enough away, and even if it does it's just a quiet little whisper in French.
>>339539284
I think it's kinda like how the fighting game community will always argue about any game that comes out and how "competitive" it is. The obvious biggest example is smash brothers. You can have tournaments every sunday but if you don't meet a nebulous and unknown set of criteria, then you aren't competitive.
Blizzards mistake was not finishing their balance passes in closed beta, they went through some wild swings to finally balance characters like Genji, Mei, 76, Mercy, and Winston. Unfortunately they left off a few key heroes like Widow, Tracer, forgot to re-buff Zen, and only put a small bandaid on McCree just prior to open beta.
Now that the plebs have their hands on the game any balance change is going to be met with mass hysteria and whining because everyone is new to the game and doesn't understand the flow yet.
>>339539147
Is there a Onahole option for that hand?
>>339539105
Yea that's cute and all.
Please enlighten me, who do you play?
>>339539284
Umm how can it POSSIBLY be competitive when we spam smug reaction images and memes at the mention of competitive OW?
Checkmate atheists
>>339539283
>The game is about swapping characters to counter the enemy,
This isn't about swapping characters, this is about one character making an entire class pointless, and your solution is to accept that mecree makes tanks worthless and that people should just stop being tanks in every game.
Or did you not think through what you said and realise that if Mecree forces out tanks by mere existence as you desire, then every team will run at least one, and no team should run any tanks.
>>339539195
This is why you have a team.
>>339539390
Well ain't that dandy. It doesn't do anything to address her balance.
>>339539402
There is one. if you say "I need healing" without a healer, it will come out as "We need a healer" in the chat. That is unless someone is Torb/Sym, in that case they hear you asking for armor.
>>339539424
His shield is weak as fuck. Anyone can blast through in a second. His damage is already low enough to compensate.
tell me /v/, what is your opinion on Junkrat?I insta lock him every time I play defense
>>339539439
>they're far enough away,
>from the sniper
Seeing the issue here?
Every other ult sound is fucking global, as far as I can tell.
>>339539538
I don't even know where to look desu
>>339539284
Next you're going to tell me that Jenga is competitive, that Candyland is competitive. I've been to competitions for both of those games, does that make them competitive?
