What went wrong?
>>339504919
The game is nothing but a 4 dungeon chore simulator upon replaying
>>339504919
The only thing that bothered me was the eyeballs being shoved into every boss fight, other than that I think it improves on the original in every conceivable way.
they ruined the zora's mask
Too many eyeballs.
Dumbing down the bosses to the tired "hit three times" to win.
>>339504919
The fishing segment using masks is great.
Just about everything they changed.
Instead of making extra content, they just broke existing content.
>>339505320
>ever conceivable way
>removed the edgy graphics
>memes
>bomber's notebook
>gyroscope completely breaks bosses like Gyorg
Nintendrones, ladies and gentlemen.
>>339505701
...What?
Some of the visual changes seem really arbitrary, and I'm not even talking about the stairs, the fish or the Clock Town basement.
>>339505857
Lern to read underageb&
>>339504919
Nothing, take off these nostalgia goggles.
Should I not get this game, if I played the og.
>>339506104
You didn't make any sense cuntface
>>339506104
Fuck you - what memes are in MM3DS?
>>339506251
Don't get it.
>>339506251
It's Treehouse garbage
>>339504919
You were born?
>>339506251
Yeah you'll like it
>>339505701
>>339506104
>edgy graphics
Not sure what you mean like this... the game looks gorgeous on 3DS, the best looking game I've played on the handheld actually, and overall is far better looking than the N64 version.
>memes
??????????
>bomber's notebook
Is massively improved and you don't have to do the hide and seek a second time to get it now?
>gyroscope
Is a really intuitive way to aim?
I'll reiterate my first response now.
...What?
>>339505701
>Removed muddy N64 textures
Good thing
>memes
Weren't a thing.
>bomber's notebook
Exists in the original, so what's your point? That they made some QoL updates to it?
>gyroscope completely breaks bosses
Terrible first person console aiming is a feature!
Nothing but swimming was fucked up but I felt like there was so much more they could have done to justify its price.
Fierce Deity Link is useless against some of the revamped bosses
>>339504919
Is Wind Waker HD worth getting if I never played the original?
>>339507237
I got it off club nintendo and had a blast
Sure, the ocean is a pretty empty place, but I liked the ever-present feeling of adventure. The only thing I didn't like a whole lot were the dungeons since they didn't feel that special or engaging. I'd say go for it
>>339507237
Yee
>>339505701
As long as you include "memes" as an argument it would guarantee (You)s. Good job anon.
>>339507876
Am I really the only one that noticed the amount of fucking memes in this game?
>>339506523
>you don't have to do the hide and seek a second time to get it now?
You never had to, dumbass. Git gud. My eight year old self realized the password would still work.
and the changes to Zora swimming and the fact that your gameplay doesn't always start with DAWN OF THE FIRST DAY kills the 3DS version for me and many others. I'll stick with the N64 classic thx
>>339504919
I really like that you don't have to play hide and seek with the little fags a second time, giving you the song of soaring earlier is nice too.
>>339508062
Link has memes pouring out of his tight little asshole
>>339508107
>password still works
Well I knew that, but I didn't actually know just inputting the password gets you the notebook. My bad, I actually didn't know that about the original game.
>gameplay doesn't always start with DAWN OF THE FIRST DAY
Being able to save whenever you want, on a handheld game no less, is somehow a bad thing, okay.
>>339508395
>Being able to save whenever you want, on a handheld game no less, is somehow a bad thing, okay.
I'm not mad about that. I'm mad that the game doesn't save when you use the song of time, which fucking kills the atmosphere when the game is built almost entirely upon the constant sense of dread.
>>339504919
They just had to port the game, but they didnt.
>>339508602
How does not being able to save kill the atmosphere?
>>339508395
Am I crazy, I remember being able to save at an owl statue whenever I wanted to in the original version.
>>339505162
This is the most accurate description of MM I've ever seen.
>>339508739
You could, but it was a kind of 'quicksave' where you were forced to exit the game if you saved in that manner.
>>339508708
In the N64 version, EVERY SINGLE TIME you turned on the game, it would remind that it was the DAWN OF THE FIRST DAY - 72 remaining. It was a constant reminder that this world was doomed, and you only had 72 hours to save it.
Being unable to start a fresh cycle right when you turn on the game kills the atmosphere. You know there's a reason why that black title card is iconic, right?
I said it about both 3DS remakes, you can't improve upon perfection. Everything different from the original makes it worse.
>>339508912
An anon with some taste, finally
>>339508912
The final boss for Ocarina 3D would have been better than the original if Nintendo had just turned the brightness down slightly. Such a wasted opportunity but 3D was legit better than the original in a lot of ways.
>>339509312
It was definitely smoother to play, but they brightened up and oversaturated the graphics way too much. It completely lost the mysterious, sometimes dark atmosphere the original had.
>>339504919
Less tension with the new save feature which i feel makes it too easy.
Otherwise it's ok
For anyone seriously wondering what the hell OP means with his shit thread, there's nothing wrong with MM3D.
It made the main bosses worse and nerfed the way you could freeze any water with the ice Arrows. Those are the only two legitimate cons.
Everything else is the same or better. Especially the rescored soundtrack.
If you're on the edge and MM is your favorite game, you'd do yourself a disfavor to listen to these shitposters beating a dead horse with their misinformation campaign.
It's not a HD remaster on WiiU
rainbow colored stairs in the observatory turned brown
>>339509830
If MM is your favorite game, you'd do yourself a disfavor to live another day.
Being an OOT fan was suffering because it was just disappointment after disappointment for a fucking decade afterwards. When TP finally came out I was numb inside.
>>339509526
Well, that depends. The only places I felt lost any atmosphere are the Bottom of the Well and Ganon's castle. Everything else was fine. Majora's Mask did a better job of capturing the atmosphere of the N64 version but I feel the mood was made lighter because you can save at the owl statues now.
>>339507051
Try all but one. Why they made it so the mask was entirely useless I do not know.
Nothing.
It plays just the same as before, just with a fresh coat of paint and some minor changes. The game itself is still just as challenging, though that's not saying much since 3D Zeldas are never really that difficult.
>>339509976
How were the years after OOT a disappointment? If anything, shit got better as it went along seeing how MM, WW and TP are all at least 9/10. In their own way, of course.
>>339508897
>a black screen with text means the n64 version is better
Your nostalgia goggles are held a bit too tight.
>>339509943
This, unforgivable.
Even moreso then turning Gyrog's boss lair into a bright as fuck place and adding the fucking eyes to the bosses.
>>339506452
what does that even mean.
>>339504919
Is Twilight Princess HD a good remake?
>>339510351
None of the boss rooms were that dark, it was just the usual "fog" method so the areas could render as you got around them. And the eyes at least make sense in a thematic sense given all the bosses are connected to Majora's Mask.
>>339508912
>>339509036
It's brighter because you're playing on a tiny ass 3DS screen (in which you can't see shit if you play it outside during the day because nintendo quality) instead of your TV, honey.
It improves on the original in every single way besides that, especially the controls and the framerate.
How anyone in this thread still manages to defend the original N64 Zeldas' 20fps is beyond me.
Can't have done wrong when the ass is fat.
>>339509976
> because it was just disappointment after disappointment for a fucking decade afterwards
But the oracle games and MM trump OoT so hard it's not even funny.
>>339504919
Nostalgia
Pros
>portable
>improved controls
>improved framerate
>more save points
>song of double time allows skipping to specific times
>song of soaring is acquired earlier
>deku form shoots more accurately
>goron form attacks faster
>extra sidequest
>get another bottle earlier
>notebook is more useful
>great fairy rewards switched around
>business scrub cutscene shortened
Cons
>additional handholding
>time passes twice as fast
>resetting time no longer saves the game
>mandatory notebook
>notebook popups for almost everything before they even happen
>deku spinning is useless
>zora swimming is clunky and requires magic for fast movement
>giants mask is mandatory and also clunky
>ice arrows even more useless than before
>fierce deity even more useless than before
>bosses are less aggressive and have unnecessary eyeball weakpoints
>zora moon dungeon
>fishing tickets as rewards
>RIP in pieces rainbow stairs
Debatable
>lighting and graphics
>no punishment for exiting without saving
>boss fights altered
>fishing holes
>bank relocated
Did I miss anything?
>>339510275
At least you can easily use it anywhere with the first person glitch.
>>339504919
It's Fedora's Mask, the worst game in the franchise.
Zora mask swimming is fucking terrible now.
>>339510734
>>resetting time no longer saves the game
cause you can save anywhere now, Aonuma said the only reason you were limited in the original is because of n64 limitations, come on.
>>339509526
more like N64 graphics always had awful lighting where you can barely see every time they wanted something to be dark.
>>339510734
Those cons completely outdo the pros in importance, fuck extra annoyances and atmosphere ruining, guess I'm skipping this.
>>339510795
I bet you enjoy Wind Waker you fucking baby.
>>339510478
It still made it so that the area was dark and confined. Gyrog's boss fight felt like you were in a small tank with a giant ass piranha. The update made it feel like you had too much space.
>>339510795
That's not Twilight Princess.
>>339510997
>Gyrog's boss fight felt like you were in a small tank
I never felt that way in the slightest because you could clearly see that it wasn't the case.
>>339510795
It's not Skyward Sword.
>>339510795
That's not [your favourite Zelda].
This board is really cancerous
Zelda games should be one thing we can talk about without shitposting
>>339511557
>Zelda games should be one thing we can talk about without shitposting
why would you think that?
I would bet a lot of money that /v/ does a complete 180 on MM3D the moment 3DS emulation becomes acceptable
>>339511796
>complete 180
based on this thread the reaction is pretty mixed so what would that even achieve?
also flashcards have existed for the 3DS since Luigi's Mansion 2 came out, way before MM3D.
>>339511796
It's not like I paid for the game, why do you say that?
> asks what's wrong
> posts zelda
> doesn't realize he just answered his own question
>>339512130
this is not your first post in this thread.
>Eyeball bosses
>scrambled inventory, didnt really care that i could change them around.
>Swimming was awful.
>reduced Deku water jumping speed.
>No additional content anywhere.
>>339512130
>le Zelda is always bad meme
Post an argument or fuck off please.
>>339510795
>I have little to no technical or deductive skills and I can't handle the step up from OoT that is MM.
>>339505162
>>339508851
>not liking comfy sidequests
>>339504919
Nothing. It's an excellent port and Grezzo did a fantastic job removing much of the tedium from the game and improving things in general. The new bank location and the actually interesting boss fights are great.
>>339511971
>>339512129
you're forgetting about the amount of shitposters who don't own a 3DS so they'll make the game shit in their mind and then defend that point of view
once 3DS emulation exists that'll all go away
>>339510572
Actually it was to reduce the ghosting effect the 3DS has, darker pixels that share the same spot as the lighter pixels will look like pic related. It looks worse the dirtier your screen, greasy fingerprints.
>updated textures
>didn't keep the dark symbolism of the original
It was on 3DS instead of Wii U
>>339512331
>>Eyeball bosses
It's just a different way of showing that the boss is vulnerable at that point.
>>No additional content anywhere.
There's another sidequest.
>>339505162
>he plays zelda for the dungeons
>>339512495
>you're forgetting about the amount of shitposters who don't own a 3DS so they'll make the game shit in their mind and then defend that point of view
Where?
>>339508062
like what?
>>339510734
>time passes twice as fast
wot
>>339506523
>Not sure what you mean like this...
He's talking about how everything is brighter and has more color compared to the N64 version. Ocarina of Time 3D also "suffered" from this.
And I kind of have to agree with him about the Bomber's Notebook. It pops up way too much in 3D and basically tells you exactly where you have to go. And it takes much longer to get through each update in the 3DS version than it did in the N64 version.
>>339510734
>extra sidequest
fishing?
>>339512693
why, in this thread, silly ;^)
>>339512631
Yeah, the only worthwhile part of the games, the rest is like the investigation scenes in Ace Attorney games: a chore. It's not like the games have good writing or characters. The exploration is minimal and you always know what to expect: rupees or pieces of heart. After LTTP, rarely do you get really worthwhile optional rewards from exploring.
>>339512616
>implying the Wii U could handle UE4
I doubt even the NX will be capable of that kind of graphical fidelity, since Nintendo only makes turds now
>>339508395
>I didn't actually know just inputting the password gets you the notebook.
It doesn't. You still have to play hide and seek to get the notebook, but the password to get to the observatory never changes, so if you don't care about the notebook, you never have to play hide and seek more than once, so long as you can remember the password.Or remember how to backflick past the kid.
>>339512631
What else is there to play them for?
>>339512857
I don't see it. Unless you count posts like ''MM is the worst Zelda'' which don't really need the 3DS version to validate.
>>339512956
>investigation scenes in AA
>a chore
Holy shit that is some shit taste. A lot of fun shit like flavor text and character interactions is only found in the Investigations.
It was alright.
My only problem is that everything looks cartoonishly smaller than it did in the original game. Kid Link is suppose to be a half-pint taking on a world that's so much bigger and more frightening than him. Everything in the game looks significantly less threatening in the 3d version too. Brighter colors,
>>339512541
>Actually it was to reduce the ghosting effect the 3DS has
You're saying it's also not because of how hard it is to see what's even going on at times?
Nintendo has gotten a lot of crap for their handheld game visuals being downright undecipherable at times. Link's Awakening got a lot of flak for it and Circle of the Moon was too dark for the shitty OG GBA screen. You don't get to see these issues on an emulator, mind you.
>>339510734
>>great fairy rewards switched around
>>business scrub cutscene shortened
>>time passes twice as fast
>>deku spinning is useless
>>zora swimming is clunky and requires magic for fast movement
>>giants mask is mandatory and also clunky
>>ice arrows even more useless than before
>>fierce deity even more useless than before
>>zora moon dungeon
>>339510435
Yes but knowing how much of a bitch everyone seems to be they'll disagree and tell you to emulate it instead
>>339512994
Oh my god, you dumb shits, you get the notebook by entering the password without playing hide and seek the second time
Once you leave the observatory the bomber leader is so amazed by your ingenuity in sneaking into their hideout he gives you the notebook anyway.
Have ANY of you fuckers actually played the game?
>>339513340
Some of the texture reworks are terrible
Obviously not everyone can emulate it but if you can, I would say it's preferable over the HD remaster
>>339513164
They are a chore, it's always search for x pixel in the screen or use x item with x person and hope the plot progresses. The team that made Investigations 1 and 2 knew this, hence why their investigation scenes are not only way more interesting and varied (like with Kay's holograph thing mechanic) but also have cross-examinations in the middle of them, i.e: the good parts of the games.
>>339504919
They put a gorgeous game on the smallest fucking screen imaginable.
I'll be happy once emulation comes along well enough to play it in HD.
>>339513451
>Have ANY of you fuckers actually played the game?
/v/ is about bitching about games you can't play because you don't have the hardware and it's not emulatable yet
1. I sharted (lol)
2. My dad smelled it
3. He told me hes coming for me
4.itold my dad it was a fart with no poop
5. My dad believed me
6. I now have sharted over 30 times just to be random for no reason
>>339512709
Slowed time in the 3DS remake is comparable to the regular timeflow of the N64 version.
>>339512786
Milk run for Gorman
>>339512784
>He's talking about how everything is brighter and has more color compared to the N64 version
How the hell is that edgy? Also it's not like the original games were dark either, pic related is at night time. I think only the Ganon battle is noticeably brighter which was probably because it's the only way to see anything on the 3DS' god awful screens.
>>339513634
t. Grezzo
>>339513634
...What?
>>339513776
>Slowed time in the 3DS remake is comparable to the regular timeflow of the N64 version.
I'd say that's a positive then, more challenge and less time wasted
>>339513634
something something summer in here
>>339510667
>the oracle games
I never played Ages, but Seasons was pretty tedious to me.
>>339504919
They made stuff not look like shit
The nerve, I know.
>>339510667
your kidding right?
those are the worst zelda games next to the DS ones, not counting spin offs
>>339515870
This boss fight was made even harder.
But to be fair, it was piss easy to beat in the N64.
>>339508912
WHY?
Why would they do that?
>>339512631
>he doesn't understand what he reads
>>339508062
>I don't know what a meme is
>>339505701
does yurop have memes?
>>339513247
>shitty OG GBA screen
Just fucking awful, I think it was on par to the GBC, but then again the Mario Advance games were brighter. But the worst has to be the DS' option to turn off the back light, FOR WHAT PURPOSE?
>>339510997
It was pretty big in the original, too. It was just drab looking and not all that memorable.
>>339513502
>They are a chore
For you, maybe.
>>339515870
>there were people actually DEFENDING the original design
It literally looks like a rock texture vaguely made into a fish shape. Hell, kids in highschool 3D classes can make better fish.
>he doesn't play majora's mask for the pepes
>>339510830
Aonuma is a lying sack of shit that can't make a good game. Koizumi wouldn't have changed that.
Aonuma curbed it because his faggot son probably hated it.
>>339520468
here come dat boi!!!!!!
>>339521773
I wanna fuckRomani!
>>339521841
>it wasn't a technical issue, it was just the guy dumbing the game down for his kid
I think I'm going to believe something more likely such a technical issue over some retards assumption that likely had no bearing on the game at all.
Seriously, the N64 wasn't some juggernaut, the thing had limits and what MM was doing at the time pushed them.
>>339513286
The first upgrade used to be the spin attack, now it's double magic meter. How this isn't an improvement is beyond me, you spend the next few hours as Goron Link and using the lens of truth.
>>339522645
>>339522645
Fucking this
Flat chest is best
>>339515870
Bosses improved 100% for 200.
>>339523095
Except Odolwa and Twinmold got ganked. Goht was an improvement in almost all ways though.
>>339524202
I was specifically talking about Gyorg. I could take or leave those 2, though.
The only things outright wrong was changing Zora swimming, Song of Time not saving which only fucks with returning players, and forced Giant's Mask for Twinmold.
Everything is either straight up preference, convenience or pointless bitching.
