Find a flaw. Seriously, just one.
>Fantastic soundtrack
>very exciting and fast-moving combat with a wide variety of moves and spells
>surprisingly well done English voice acting
>story that starts off cliché, but becomes deeper and more political as you go on
>great plot twists
>a lot of really great boss battles (Kratos in the Tower of Salvation springs to mind)
>great cast of characters
>nice looking graphics and art style in the HD editions
>>339504434
>enemies and team AI can free run but you can't
Do not defend it. If it was good, then they would've kept that system in any of the games since.
>>339505037
It was the first 3-D one. I can forgive it for that,
>>339504434
Terrible PC port
Colette and Sheena are useless party members and don't do nearly enough damage to be considered good
Dungeons like Meltokio Sewers, Ymir Forest, Latheon Gorge, and Escaping the Tower of Salvation/Welgia are not fun with their puzzles and being too long or slightly confusing
>my friends wouldn't play it with me
>>339504434
worst tales of I've ever played
>>339504434
>final artes were only in the ps2 inferior version and the hd port which was also shit
>collette and sheena were awful party members
>>339504434
Sheena is basically worthless
Regal is a filler party member, he doesn't have any team-up unison moves, he barely interacts with the other party members and once his little presidente subplot wraps up the only other thing he does in the whole game is shoot a laser beam that one time
>>339505037
>>339505338
Free run is broken as fuck and the fact that symphonia doesn't have it is one of it's biggest strengths vs later 3D tales games. Instead of having to tactically manage enemy positions and use moves to move enemies/yourself around the battlefield you just circle strafe around enemies until they whiff something and then land an 100 hit combo
>>339505705
>>339505909
colette starts out pretty worthless but she's without a doubt the most broken/useful party member in the game
>>339505705
Yeah, Colette kind of sucks, but she has Angel Feathers, which is pretty good against enemies weak to light.
Sheena sucks until she gets into Overlimit.
>>339504434
Boring combat (especially after playing later Tales). Annoying puzzles and dungeons. Characters are pretty flat and don't interact well, and skits are sparse.
>>339506148
later tales games have terrible combat
juggling enemies to death is not gameplay, it's masturbation
The sequel is the main flaw.
>>339506296
These are JRPGs my man. Symphonia is no more engaging or skill-based than later games.
>>339505909
>>collette and sheena were awful party members
nigga what? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ZH4670WXQ
>>339506148
>Characters are pretty flat
You're just wrong on that front. It has a great cast of characters, like Kratos, Zelos, Sheena and Genis especially.
>>339505705
Also, it takes a minimum of 5 playthroughs in order to get all the titles, key items, and etc.
>>339506407
Have you beat it on mania while getting all the challenge titles?
>>339504434
>Darth Vader twist
>oh wow a JRPG about killing "gods" / "angels"
>we're never gonna tell you how style points are really awarded AND we're never going to tell you that they're super important until the VERY end of the game
>we're gonna have the best parts of the game hidden way off the main storyline so you have to buy a guide to enjoy yourself
Symphonia is the game that permanently turned me off of JRPGs
I beat it on the GameCube and realized I never wanted to waste my time on one ever again. I completed a few using emulator fast forward but that's it.
>tfw this was the last game i ever played with my brother
Best girl didn't get enough love.
>>339506007
>Free run is broken as fuck
This. But free-run is also more fun.
Fun>Fair
So it doesn't even matter.
VERMIN!!!
It's better than all of the Tales games that have come out recently.
I'll never get over how shit Xillia 1 and 2 were...god damnit I might be the only one on /v/ smart enough to know those games were shit,
>>339504434
Other than "oh no Collette has been kidnapped" happening like 3 times the game is perfect.
>>339506769
Darth Vader never worked along side of Luke and acted like they were never related. ToS did it better
Sheena is best girl
One of the biggest flaws that other Tales of games miss is the ability to pick whoever you liked the most. No tearxluke bullshit.
And for this reason Anything after symphonia is shit.that and the other stuff OP mentioned
>>339507106
YOU INFERIOR BEINGS!
I played this game with my best friend when we were teenagers and must have completed it well over 50 times. It's probably the most fondest memories I'll ever cherish.
Temple of Darkness
>>339507750
>guiding those braindead blobs
God dammit.
>>339507461
On this note, was Kratos ever going to tell Lloyd that he was his father? He learns at the start of the game, and Lloyd is told late game by Yuan. It seems like something that, if I were Kratos, I would be really happy to know that my son is actually alive and tell him.
I know they obviously have to keep it for late game from a writing perspective for writing, but in-game it doesn't really make sense.
>>339506769
>we're gonna have the best parts of the game hidden way off the main storyline so you have to buy a guide to enjoy yourself
it rewards exploration
also grade is worthless, all it does is let you cheat at the game for NG+ or buy materials for the worthless crafting system and it's accumulative between throughways anyway
is vesperia any good?
I snagged it for 3 bucks in the 360 mega sale.
should I play the pc port or emulate it on dolphin
>>339508051
Nigger do you realize how the story would've ended up if he did that? Lloyd and kratos would be killed because ydddrasil would know right off the bat kratos isn't to be trusted. It was for his safety, he lost lloyd when he was a baby, he's not going to lose him again.
>>339504434
>Fantastic soundtrack
not really, it had a handful of decent tracks at best
>very exciting and fast-moving combat with a wide variety of moves and spells
it was OKAY, almost every game after it and hell even Eternia's combat was better and more fluid.
>surprisingly well done English voice acting
Meh, debatable I guess. I didnt have any beef with it.
>story that starts off cliché, but becomes deeper and more political as you go on
Nah it was pretty much cliche the whole way through, I'm not saying that's necessarily bad, but don't oversell it man.
>great plot twists
Lolno
>a lot of really great boss battles (Kratos in the Tower of Salvation springs to mind)
Some were okay I guess
>great cast of characters
This right here, nah man. Almost everyone was so damn bland. Every damn character so damn middle of the fucking road. Most of the other games have at least one stand out character that I either liked of flat out hated for one reason or another, but Symohonia had nothing going for it characters.
>nice looking graphics and art style in the HD editions
Meh
>>339508165
Best Tales of that exist.
>BABBY'S FIRST TALES
>>339508165
It's good but definitely not as good as symphonia
>>339504434
It was honestly the last really all-around good Tales game. Everything since has kind been trimming shit.
>mfw jumping from altruistic go getter Lloyd to whiny and entitled Luke in Abyss
>>339507750
the dungeon was even worse because it didn't have the awesome music of the Sylvarant dungeons
>>339508308
Also it had some of the most tedious shit in the dungeons.
>>339508051
Kratos knew he was going to betray Lloyd so maybe he didn't want him to be heartbroken after seeing his own father transform his best friend into and empty husk.
Even though he was his enemy he still had affection for him.
>>339508290
I suppose so, but the fact that he doesn't say anything at all throughout the whole game seems a bit strange to me.
>>339504434
The combat is slow, everyone looks like they move while immersed in molasses, even at 60 fps. Also, half of the cast is made by annoying people.
>>339508418
Long-haired Luke was one of the most refreshing main jRPGs characters for me. I was pretty disappointed to see him become Lloyd 2.0 during the second half of the game.
>>339508396
>>339508308
Xillia is shit m8
>>339508308
>the sequels improve on the combat
That's not a flaw.
The rest are opinons and I'm not OP anyway, but Symphonia was pretty fucking good.
Lloyd is the best protag
Symphonia was the last game that actually delve fairly deeply into the backstories of all the characters.
>>339508165
yes
it has great gameplay and a decent story
but best of all, it's the last tales game with actual content in it
>Lots of artes
>lots of unique in game costumes for each person before dlc
>lots of post game stuff
enjoy it while you can, everything after is half ass or is dlc
>>339508692
If by refreshing you mean annoying as fuck with almost 0 common sense, sure. I mean, yeah, having a mean-spirited MC would have been indeed an interesting change of pace, but Luke's decisions before the turnaround are almost laughable for how stupid they are.
>>339508746
my nigga, I didn't once mention Xillia
>>339508861
Reid and Yuri were superior
>>339508891
You haven't played Legendia then.
Anyone else ever play as the other party members besides Lloyd? I played as Kratos all the time whenever he was in the party.
>>339509004
But Xillia 1 and 2 got lots of undeserved love on /v/ for some reason when they only thing it does better than Symphonia is the battle system.
Everything else is cookie cutter bullshit even the music never changes and is generic.
>>339508983
And that's why he's a great character. The first half of the story revolves around him fucking everything up while in the other Tales it's just the usual heroic protag being awesome and a total hero and shit.
>>339508983
You do realize Luke has the mentality of like a 7 year old, right? Of course he's not going to have any common sense of the outside world, more so with him being sheltered.
>>339506987
>wanting a waifu that can't cook
>>339509183
The only person I don't enjoy playing as is Colette, but Presea is solid as fuck.
>>339509183
I played as Kratos and Sheena.
It's amazing how boring Sheena is but she's such a cool character.
>>339509378
I tried to play as Presea but never could.
>>339509409
Kratos is definitely the most diverse character of them all in terms of combat. He can fight in melee, he can cast spells and he can heal.
>>339509189
Xillia 1's combat system isn't even better, just 2.
Xillia 2 was almost a good game if it wasn't for the fact that it's literally 2 hours long if it wasn't fucking padded out the ass with side missions. It's literally side missions: the game. The actual story when you get to do it is really good and the near-end and true end cutscenes are some of the saddest shit I've ever watched in a video game, but man they fucked it up
>>339509567
That's a shame. Her Devil's Arm weapon is probably the the most unique looking out of the whole cast.
>>339509189
And?
/v/'s opinion on Xillia has nothing to do with why I think Symphonia is overrated. I don't hate Sypmhonia, nor do I hate the Xillia's. They both have there flaws but the I've liked pretty much every Tales game I played except for Legendia and Tempest. I honestly just don't think Symphonia deserves the amount of praise it gets.
Regal went from the worst to the best in battles on the ps3 version
>>339509795
explain
>>339509861
Updated artes, combo artes and mystic arte
>>339504434
The main character Sounds like Robin from Teen Titans and I happen to hate the guy that does his voice.
Ymir Forest
I haven't played it in 5 or so years, I think. Should go for the PC port (assuming some of the bad stuff has been mod'd out by now) or the PS3 version.
>>339509751
May I ask why you didn't enjoy Legendia?
>>339509996
why?
>>339509795
Regal sucks. Every other party member is better than him. I can't believe there are people out there who swap Kratos out for Regal in the last battle.
>>339510037
The only big problem with the PC version at this point is the framerate. It's way better than the shitshow that is the ps3 version.
Just remember to download TSfix.
>>339509996
what did he do fuck your mom or something?
OP here. I haven't gotten very far into Vesperia, but is it just me or is the combat slower in that one compared to Symphonia? Yuri swings take ages in comparison to Lloyd's.
>>339504434
The battle system didn't age well at all. Trying to play this after a Tales game with free run is feels weird.
>>339510037
best thing about it was the music...but that would get annoying after a while too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koYTdyNjLuQ
>>339506389
I actually really liked the sequel. Sure, it wasn't as good as the first one and Ratatosk Emil was an edgelord, but there was a lot of character development there, and the last two boss battles are very good, if frustrating. The story is interesting too.
But it's some bullshit that the old cast are locked at level 50. Why? It just forces you to use the shitty monsters when you want to use Lloyd and Genis and makes the old cast look weak as fuck by the end of the game.
![1430081222207[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/PrFGL5F.png "1430081222207[1].png")
>>339511028
>I actually really liked the sequel.
>>339511028
To add to this, these are the characters that took down Mithos/Yggdrassil and now an even older and more experienced version of Lloyd is getting trashed by Richter (Kratos without the cool voice or the backstory)? That's bullshit.
>>339511028
>promised to bring back beloved party members
>they are only guest and the real party members are your Pokemon
>>339510882
>mfw the Summon Spirit theme from Tales of Phantasia kicked in for the first time against Undine
>>339509567
you mean just like Zelos. Ok, Kratos can cast Judgement and Zelos not if i remember correctly
>>339510782
IIRC your movements actually speed up as your stats increase in that game?
This could be totally wrong but I remember it being much better as the game went on.
>>339504434
>surprisingly well done English voice acting
>that pronunciation of Yggdrasill
>>339511356
Forgot to pot them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8w7l8WZp0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsMZXl15FRU
>>339511487
You-drazzil
>>339506429
Mate, what the fuck?
Kratos solo on Abbysion takes way longer than that.
Colette is more powerful than Kratos. That's hard to accept.
>>339511028
>I actually really liked the sequel
>>339511028
In all honesty, I believe people would like this game if it didn't have Symphonia in the title. The combat system in Dawn is fucking fun as hell. You can air combo for ages which most Tales games seem to lack unfortunately.
>>339507683
>ywn replay symphonia from start to finish with your siblings
>ywn almost shit your pants when you've been spamming light spear as kratos all game and suddenly bust out lightspear cannon
>ywn beat a ten-minute long midgame boss, sweating your dick off, where everyone's out of TP at 100 health left
>ywn make your younger brother play genis and hold the "B" button down the entire game once you get meteor storm because "it does the most damage"
>>339511454
Kratos is just a shit version of Kratos. His character is good, but in combat he has shit attack animations and he can't even cast Judgement.
>>339510780
>>339510261
His voice just urks me.
>>339511697
I actually played Genis for a lot of the playthroughs. For some reason I thought it was fucking incredible to cast magic in real time.
>MFW stone blast turned into stalagmite for the first time
beautiful.
>>339511756
>Kratos is just a shit version of Kratos
Nigga what
>>339511756
*Zelos is a shit version of Kratos.
I fucked that up.
>>339511756
>Kratos is just a shit version of Kratos
If you mean Zelos you're pretty fucking wrong there, as he's quite a bit faster than Kratos and Judgement is completely awful anyways. Not to mention that only applies to the GC version in the first place.
>>339504434
battles are boring, characters too.
>>339507192
I agree, couldn't finish xilllia it was so bad
post yfw
SACRED POWERS CAST YOUR PURIFYING LIGHT UPON THESE CORRUPT SOULS, REPENT SINNERS
>>339512137
>Judgement is completely awful
>Implying
Yeah, it misses sometimes but when it hits it can do loads of damage unless they use Guardian.
>>339512034
>PANCAKE TIME
>>339504434
Final boss battle is way too easy.
>>339511028
It's a relatively solid game, but the intro hour/Luin chapter was reprehensible.
>>339512309
I sure love wasting 7 seconds casting a spell that may or may not actually do any damage and make Raine incapable of actually doing anything while it happens.
>>339512326
I've FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUND YOUR WEAKNESS
>>339512326
Why was the banter so awesome in this game?
>>339507006
Honestly I pretty much never used free run in later Tales unless it was a bossfight that I couldn't just block through. 3d movement is pretty much a meme, at least until tales team develops a combat system like the modern naruto games.
My fav game of all time just cause I played through it with my dad and brother like 8 times when I was young. So fucking fun.
IM JUST TOO PRETTY
>>339504434
>First one thirds is literally FFX
>Characters are shit besides Lloyd
>Twists are complete shit and foreseaable
>It's boring as fuck
>>339504434
>Find a flaw. Seriously, just one.
no one paired up
and thus you got a shit ton of shipping wars when ToS is discussed
>>339504434
The game was absolutely great for its time and was the game that defined my adolescent years. If I had to find a flaw it would be the dated battle system. No free run and a very dated combo system let it down on recent playthroughs. However, as I said, it was fucking fantastic for its time and comparing the battle system to recent Tales games is simply unfair.
Top fucking game though. I will always remember and cherish my time spent with this game. It holds a very special place in my heart.
>>339512613
>I sure love wasting 7 seconds casting a spell that may or may not actually do any damage and make Raine incapable of actually doing anything while it happens.
It takes a while to cast but it can be worth it. If it hits it can do quite a bit of damage, and the more enemies on screen the higher chance it has to hit. It can be useful,
>>339512804
>>Characters are shit besides Lloyd
>Who is Kratos?
>>339512804
Symphonia did the death pilgrimage much better than ffx did. The rest of your post are a bunch ofshiteopinions.
>>339506148
>Annoying puzzles and dungeons.
At least it fucking had puzzles, no matter how silly or convoluted some of them were. If I remember right, Xillia had literally one "puzzle" and it was shoving a block two spaces in order to climb it and get an optional chest.
Tales combat is surprisingly great for a JRPG but having puzzles in between all the endless combat at least shakes it up a little bit. Later Tales games are just hallways and monsters.
>mfw tales of symphonia will destroy final fantasy 15 story, character and gameplay wise
probably also music wise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzwsRJBQQAI
I played Tales of Phantasia ages ago and the fucking encounter rate was unfuckingbelievable.
I made it to some tower and defeated the boss, but had no way of getting back to town quickly and I was low on supplies. Then the millions of random encounters fucked me in the ass and I literally couldn't progress so I just dropped the game after a while.
Should I try playing it again?
>>339512928
>It holds a very special place in my heart.
Same here, anon. I just remember the rush of nostalgia and happiness that washed over me when I finally got this game working on an emulator again after so many years and the main menu music kicked in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adFWcdXrbRE
man. i love the cell shaded art anime style. it's a damn shame they ditched that with new tales. now its just your traditional 3d model with mocap
>>339513089
Sure, it can do tons of damage if you're up against a load of enemies, but that doesn't really ever happen outside of regular battles which don't require that much firepower.
It CAN, however, be good against really big bosses, which are fairly rare.
In the end, Judgment is just a really cool looking and yet fairly useless spell. Symphonia is pretty easy for the most part anyways, so you can use it as much you like.
>>339513249
Lloyd's father that the characters in-game think is a big tweest despite the fact that it isn't. Shit character anyhow.
>>339513262
>Symphonia did the death pilgrimage much better than ffx did.
Like fuck it did. Instead of actually fighting against it, it was just "it was just a ploy" kind of thing.
Not only that, after that was done with the story just dragged on forever and ever and ever.
>shite opinions.
How is the fact that the twists are predictable as fuck an opinion?
It's fucking generic as shit.
>>339513380
But how can it "destroy FFXV story" when it couldn't even "destroy" the story it was ripping off from?
>>339507683
>>339511697
>>339512928
God I wish Tales would go back to how it was back then. I have such fond memories of playing ToS with friends. It's all we played and talked about for what feels like years.
I hold Vesperia almost just as high as Symphonia. Vesperia was basically the best spiritual successor to Symphonia. Yes, the story was overall shitty, but the combat took everything Symphonia had and improved it so much. The characters were also great and the art style was amazing.
But recent Tales games have done away with so much that made the older games more endearing. No world map, just corridors. No TP. No unlockable costumes, you have to buy them.
>>339513804
> despite the fact that it isn't
Oh really? You saw it coming first time then?
>>339513957
>No world map, just corridors.
??????????????????????
>No TP.
?????????????????????
>>339514141
>Lloyd is orphan
>Kratos is literally a father figure for Lloyd
>Kratos' fucking hair
Those three come to mind at first. It was foreseeable plot twist and this would have to be babby's first story ever to not realise it.
>>339504434
Every area in the game is "that one" level.
>>339513957
I guess it is alright for an old game and I prefer this over FF15
I don't get why the industry went to shit so fast that they can't even compete with old generic anime fantasy rpg anymore...
>>339513490
I feel you man. The entire OST is fucking engraved into my mind. Hell, the entire script is.
Listening to the OST really brings me to a calm place any time. It's hard to pick favourites but this one makes me feel extremely peaceful every time I hear it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvnAkAQK82E
But the boss battle themes are amazing as well.
Bosses, Summon Spirits, Desian Grand Cardinals, Angels, they all have their own battle theme and they're all amazing and get me pumped every time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlZ-M9mWxq0
>>339514376
>>Kratos' fucking hair
What? It's a similar colour but other than that it's totally different. All right, I can understand the mentor thing, but c'mon, it wasn't that obvious.
>>339504434
Combat is shit.
Characters are hollow.
Graphics are crap.
One of the easiest Tales games.
>>339512715
>getting cornered by a large enemy you can't jump over without free run
It can be pretty awful at times, bosses had a bad habit of this along with some knockback spam to get you there.
>>339513804
>But how can it "destroy FFXV story" when it couldn't even "destroy" the story it was ripping off from?
what the hell are you even talking about?
>>339513804
A large amount of drama in ffx came from the sole stupid fact that nobody decided to tell teedus a damn thing, there was no good motivation for witholding the info. The story hardly varies either, its just doing the pilgramage, cockblocking seymour,finding out yuna is gunna die, then killing a god to stop the nonsense. The characters didn't help, either.
With symphonia you had a great buildup, with collete's symptoms slowly creeping up. Then their dreams get shattered to pieces when they finally get to the holy tower. The plot only blasts off and does even more new things once they hit tethealla, the pacing was fucking fantastic for a jrpg.
>>339514618
Not him but it became obvious to me that Kratos was his father when that one Desian general started talking shit about Lloyd's mother and Kratos went from completely cool headed to fucking pissed in less than a second.
>>339511126
Sequel was alright, but then again I played and finished Tempest.
Marta is wet panties incarnate, Tenebrae best sidekick.
>>339514618
>it wasn't that obvious.
It was though.
When a character is orphan in a generic animelike setting you can bet that the parent(s) will be around somewhere.
>>339514660
>combat is shit
How? It's fast-paced and fun. There's a wide variety of artes and spells.
>Characters are hollow
No they're not. They're likeable for the most part and they have good relationships with each other.
>Graphics are crap
They were all right for the time, and the HD editions have made that argument null and void.
>One of the easiest Tales games
I wouldn't call it easy. A lot of the mid-to-late game bosses are a pain in the ass.
>>339514595
Since you brought it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9hY0wq1jmU&index=72&list=PL0EF543AF62C6DEA2
One of my favorite tracks in the game.
>>339514760
>there was no good motivation for witholding the info
Yuna's request, you find that much out pretty early. Part of his Zanarkand monologue that plagues the first half of the game as you catch up to that moment.
>>339514213
Do you really need me to explain how a world map like in Symphonia and Vesperia is different from empty, huge corridors like in the Xillias? World maps are old school, sure, but they work. They serve the purpose of giving you the idea you are travelling a vast world without the game devs having to actually design an entire world. They dropped the world map in recent Tales games because they thought they could actually design a compelling world. But they couldn't. It's just two or three corridors with monsters and half a dozen chests. Just stick to a world map unless you're going Skyrim.
As for TP, that was a great system, especially with auto-gel functions. Nothing wrong with it. Graces and Zestiria had terrible systems instead of TP. You can combo everything together, but only until your 1-digit number goes down to 0. Then you have to wait. And do it again.
>>339514768
Yeah, in hindsight that was a pretty big hint. I probably should have picked up on it earlier when I first played it, but I was young enough at the time.
>>339514760
Why would you want to ruin his mood, though? As I recall he tried his best to keep the spirits up because he didn't know what would happen in the end.
>The story hardly varies either,
I don't even understand what you mean by that. Should it be all over the place or something?
> The characters didn't help, either.
Aside from Kimahri, the cast is great and isn't plagued by complete generic trope characters like Symphonia is.
> the pacing was fucking fantastic for a jrpg.
It was fucking abysmal. Once I hit Tethealla I just prayed for it to stop. Introducing Mithos didn't exactly help either with party being oblivious towards him.
>>339515123
Adding to that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L-AV08SZnA
Aside from this being an awesome track, you just knew shit was about to get hard when this kicked in (Sword Dancer springs to mind)
>>339514998
Because the wide variety of artes and spells aren't actually that interesting. Every character is one dimensional. At least alter games gave casters some melee artes and vice versa. Genis can ONLY cast spells. Same with Raine. Its dumb. Only Kratos/Zelos have any variation in combat style.
And no, the most challenging bosses in this game are average compared to the more properly difficult Tales games. If you think bosses in this game were hard Xillia 2 or Graces would shit all over you.
>>339515123
That theme is both very relaxing and very infuriating as it reminds me of that horrible dungeon. I can clear it in like 15 mins these days but I was stuck for so long back in the day.
>>339514998
>>339515180
You do realise that the Overworlds are empty as fuck in Symphonia, right? They're the definition of barren for the most part.
>>339514998
>No they're not.
Come on dude, they're generic as fuck.
>Dumb but courageous hero
>Child genius
>Traitor & womanizer
>the token loli
>Atoner
>Token christmas cake
>>339510882
>ymir forest
YAMEROOOOOOO
I'm so fucking close to finishing my Cold Steel playthrough but by god, this thread makes me want to replay Symphonia for what has to be the 30th time. So many great memories. I will never get bored of that game.
>>339515180
>They dropped the world map in recent Tales games because they thought they could actually design a compelling world.
the only games I played so far are symphonia and zestiria
I hate the copypasta dungeons in zestiria and that kinda reminds me of what you said
>>339515360
That's also pretty good really.
>>339515443
Man. Way way back ToS when new I was stuck there for awhile myself. I still get though it but damn.
>>339515512
>>339515225
Also I forgot the Mentor and the Ditz.
>>339515512
I probably enjoyed it a lot more at the time because it was one of the few JRPGs on the Gamecube, and the N64 left me starved before that.
Quest 64 is a piece of shit, can't believe I wasted money in renting it.
>>339504434
it's on gamecube, the most awkward controller ever created.
There are so many other tales titles, how can I pick this one to play over the others?
>>339513262
>Symphonia did the death pilgrimage much better than ffx did.
Not really, I think it just did what happens afterwards much better. Entire Pilgrimage is only a third of Symphonia, after all.
Who do you main?
It's always the swordfighters for me. I always used Lloyd back in the day but these days I play as Zelos a lot. Guy can fucking combo like it's Vesperia.
Apparently Regal is very fun to play as but I never got the hang of using him. Much like Judith, it seems to cost a lot of time to perfect the playstyle, but once you do it's apparently great fun.
>>339515362
that kinda reminds me how I hated collete and that summoner girl the most because you had to have them in the party several times at certain points and they just sucked combat wise
>>339515760So it's pretty much the same as with people claiming Lost Odyssey is the best or Xenoblade is the best.
>>339515362
That's because they have assigned roles, stupid.
Genis is a caster, Raine is a healer, Lloyd is a fighter and Kratos and Zelos are a mix of all three.
Do you want them all to be a mix of every role then? What would be the point of choosing characters for your party then if they all served the same functional role in combat? There would be no variety then,
>>339515512
You're summing up a character trait from each of the characters and trying to pass that off as the entire character. They have interesting backstories (Kratos and Lloyd do, at least), and they all develop in some ways.
>>339515760
As barren as Quest 64 is, it's charming as hell for some reason. Honestly, if they remade that game it would be solid. Also, is there another RPG that uses Quests battle system?
>>339515919
Estelle is a healer but she is also the most durable character, and has some strong melee offensive artes.
Anise is an offensive caster but she can pound shit in melee too if the need arises.
Yeah, I want each character to be more than one note. Variation and unique styles are perfectly possible without only ever doing one thing.
>>339504434
>>339515859
Nah, Lost Odyssey is legit good. Main reason why it gets kinda overblown is twofold: platform exclusivity breeds that mentality and being subject to utter shit that was FF13 for an entire generation. Many see Lost Odyssey as FF13 that never was.
>>339515790
N64 controllers were much worse. But the controls for the actual game were very easy to grasp. A two-year-old could figure them out.
>>339516043
Setting was cool with the Celtic bent, but I agree, pretty barebones. The first game that came to mind for me when I saw how you level up is FF2 (JP).
>>339516104
I just wish game didn't turn into complete easy mode after tethe'ala. shit, if you take "hard route" you'll basically get so good early on just to survive that remaining 80% of the game will be a joke.
>>339516095
>Estelle
>Durable
Mate, the bitch drops like a sack of shit.
>>339515919
>You're summing up a character trait from each of the characters and trying to pass that off as the entire character.
They are 90% that, dude. The only one where it only goes so far describing them is Presea, really. Other than that they just have some sob backstory or some shit so they're not literally another generic character.
>>339516148
I bought fucking 360 over LO.
The only good part was the short stories and that was it. Otherwise it's mediocre piece of hunkajunk.
>>339515512
its true the characters are generic as fuck but they still nailed it for the most part
and nowadays developers can't even do that anymore and have to base their characters outfits and personality on a boyband
>FF15
>>339515919
>That's because they have assigned roles, stupid.
What you really mean is not everyone should be controlled by the player. Raine and Genis sure as fuck don't make for compelling gameplay.
>>339516313
Bull fucking shit. Her shields make her THE tankiest character in the game. She can actually cheese fucking everything by being so ungodly tanky. Don't know what you were doing.
>>339516313
Good, she belongs on her knees.
>>339516385
Not him. But you be surprised just how many people actually like playing as them.
Haven't played any of the newer titles, but apparently Symphonia is the only one with unison attacks?
Did they replace it with something else in the newer games? I loved the unison attacks.
>>339516250
yeah thats dumb that they even had that in, I stumbled into the hard route that is not even hard but later on you find shops with garbage and weak enemies
>>339516385
>>339516095
I don't understand why you want characters to be a mix of everything in battles.
In almost every RPG there's the Mage that's very good from far away but gets trashed up close. Healers aren't supposed to be offensive, because they don't have much HP.
The only two characters in ToS that can do all three are Kratos and Zelos, and they have perfectly good excuses in-character for why that is.
>>339516514
Post-Symphonia games let you choose when to use your overlimit/mystic arte for a while, which served as the flashy move + interrupt that unison attacks were in Symphonia
>>339514618
>it wasn't that obvious
>where's your father
>where's your mother
>how did your mother die
>don't forget your mother
>everything involving Kvar
>>339515602
Zestiria is a game I'd rather pretend didn't exist.
If you enjoyed Symphonia, try and get Vesperia. If I forced my nostalgia goggles off, I'd have to say Vesperia is the better Tales game. Most likely the best actually. Hope you have a 360 though.
>>339516332
>They are 90% that, dude. The only one where it only goes so far describing them is Presea, really. Other than that they just have some sob backstory or some shit so they're not literally another generic character.
Thing is, that's Tales for you. It doesn't have deep or nuanced characters and every game is the same, aside from combat iterations. And whatever flavor they're using for setting this time. It's a very mediocre series, but gets that ARPG fix you need.
>>339516363
>and nowadays developers can't even do that anymore and have to base their characters outfits and personality on a boyband
Ah yes, the classic boyband meme. You do realise that you're talking about Nomura, right? Someone who has been around for fucking forever?
But since you're a time traveler from alternate reality, what boyband were they based on?
>and nowadays developers can't even do that anymore
Tales is literally generic anime dude. I can't actually ever recall FF character being literally generic trope and pretty much nothing more.
>>339509101
Only like 3 people have, anon
>I don't even understand what you mean by that. Should it be all over the place or something?
The amount variance in symphonia's plot gives it great pacing, while X's is just really slow in comparison. Ignoring the whole two world thing itself, you would shift your attention throughout the game skirmishing with the 5 desian masters, the renegades, the summon spirits, Kratos, and mithos. X is a really plain roadmap in comparison, which made it much more of a slog to play for me.
>Aside from Kimahri, the cast is great and isn't plagued by complete generic trope characters like Symphonia is.
Please lets not do this. The tropey cast in symphonia is still so much more engaging than the shit they made in X. Take Raine and Genis for example, who start off as smartypants know-it-alls, but later on reveal themselves to be racists when the time comes. Compare to wakka, whose character trait is that he want's to gun down all the spiral-eyed freaks from day 1 with little character outside of that. Could you even describe (or remember) Lulu's personality? What kind of character development did rikku even go through? It's all trash except for maybe Auron and Yuna.
>>339516681
I know that that's Tales of. That's why I don't pretend that the characters are great especially Symphonia where they're walking clichés.
>>339516627
You are way too fixated on strictly single role characters. They become super fucking boring to play very quickly. There is a reason Tales went away from that style of character right after Symphonia.
>>339516424
Well, to be honest, I'm not even close to late game yet. I'm about as far as after the town where you first meet up with Flynn, and she still absolutely sucks at anything except party buffs and healing. She's the Raine of ToV.
>>339516761
More people should.
>>339516840
meant for >>339515225
Dwarven Vow #7: Goodness and love will always win.
>>339516627
>Healers aren't supposed to be offensive, because they don't have much HP.
And that's why characters like this are great.
>historian
>looks after everyone, so they call him the sheriff of the town
>not just long distant mage
>>339516840
>Compare to wakka, whose character trait is that he want's to gun down all the spiral-eyed freaks from day 1 with little character outside of that.
You mean the same Wakka who was raised in a religious environment and as a result became racist? Then slowly but surely lost the attitude when he came to see the bullshit that the Teachings actually were?
>It's all trash except for maybe Auron and Yuna.
You didn't play through the game, did you?
>>339517047
Since Zelos has an almost identical backstory as far as race relations go, that must qualify as a generic anime trope, so I guess it doesn't count
>>339517012
EVERY DROP OF SWEAT IN TRAINING IS ONE LESS DROP OF BLOOD IN BATTLE
Remember your pushups, anon.
>>339516753
>I can't actually ever recall FF character being literally generic trope and pretty much nothing more.
all jrpgs play on the typical tropes, it's not shakespeare. if you want some deep shit you might wanna looks elsewhere towards the witcher games maybe
>boyband meme
ff-kun pls
>>339508983
>7-year old in an adult body has spent his entire life indoors sheltered by rich parents and pampered by servants
>lacks common sense
Wow, who'da thunk?
It really comes down to this with ToS:
If you're an adult or young adult you'll probably be jaded and notice all the clichés and whatnot and not enjoy it much.
BUT
If you play it as a young teen or tween it will be a godlike experience.
This is how it goes for me w most JRPGs.
>>339516887
> They become super fucking boring to play very quickly.
Are you saying that games like Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age, Final Fantasy, etc, are boring? Sure you can multi-class if you want in BG, but only if you start off like that and the singular classes are good too.
>>339516627
What was zelos's reason again?
>>339517259
Yeah, kinda this. I replayed it recently and all the eye rolling foreshadowing and character development are silly, but game was also made when video games weren't trying to be all serious and shit.
>>339517365
Magic pills.
>>339517201
>all jrpgs play on the typical tropes,
You're thinking of Tales, dude.
>ff-kun pls
Calling bogeyman doesn't prove your meme right, no matter how much you try.
I mean, you're fucking "Noctis looks like a Faggot" image while defending a game series that's popular for fujos and the latest installment pandered HEAVILY towards fujos with Sorey.
>>339517365
Well, he's the Chosen and I believe he has consumed Aionis like Kratos did.
>>339517314
Baldur's Gate is a party based game with fights that are tactical, not action based.
If you could only control one character at a time, choosing Minsc and hitting attack wouldn't be a very attractive option. Baldur's Gate's combat is great because you have a thousand options between spells potions and positioning that makes the encounters interesting. It's hardly a sin that Jade and Rita get a couple physical moves to mix things up in combat, and it sure doesn't break their role as primary damage caster.
>>339517173
Except Wakka's character isn't 90% womanizer with traitor on the side
>>339517259
This applies to a lot of the genre. If you are jaded adult and are okay with enjoying Tales for what it is along with the combat, it helps.
>>339517314
First off, yes, FF is boring.
Secondly, DA has tons of hybrid options.
Third, its the ENTIRE PARTY that makes anything enjoyable about those games enjoyable. You don't JUST play BG as a fighter. You play as a whole 6 man party, which covers all your bases. In Tales you control 1 character. And when that character is about spamming the same 2-3 artes over and over, whats the point?
>>339517483
Yeah I admit nostalgia plays a huge role in my love for it. I still think it's a great game regardless. Tons of fun
>>339517187
>>339517012
It's shame there isn't much merchandise relating to Will. He's definitely one of my favourite characters in Legendia.
>>339517750
Yeah, I enjoyed Graces f combat so much I completely disregarded the shit story and music and most everything. Combat was that good.
>>339517715
> It's hardly a sin that Jade and Rita get a couple physical moves to mix things up in combat, and it sure doesn't break their role as primary damage caster.
Well, fair enough, then. I will concede that.
>>339517742
oh right, he's comic relief with exposition on the side
>>339515790
The controls are similar to smash bros.
>>339517929
Yeah, sure, whatever.
>>339517742
No, instead he's the blitzballer Jock with the strongest and most physics-defying ball in existence for a weapon.
>>339517259
>If you're an adult or young adult you'll probably be jaded and notice all the clichés and whatnot and not enjoy it much.
I think that mostly depends if you enjoy this type of thing in general or not. I'm closing in 30 years old and I almost beaten the game and liked it. It's a welcome breeze of fair air compared to all the tryhard games. As much as I liked playing Pillars of Eternity and Dark Souls, I would go crazy if I only consumed stuff like that in the long run.
>>339506007
I do like that you had to be at least a little smart since there's no free run. Using Beast to separate the big enemies from small enemies and your party so you can run after them and fight them yourself was good stuff. But free run is just a lot more fun.
>>339510882
>still have the PTSD from that godawful puzzle
>>339506007
>Sheena is basically worthless
Aren't summons worth it? I only recall her doing them couple of times.
>>339504434
You forgot the most awesome part, at least on Gamecube.
>You can play with 4 friends and follow the story and adventure together
God damn that was awesome.Kratos main was here, Zelos main are losers.
>camera on the overworld is too close and makes it hard to see locations unless you're on Noishe
>riding on Noishe makes chests and event rings invisible
>Ymir Forest, the most padded out puzzle in the entire game
>Colette barely utilizes her angel powers to prevent bullshit like Ymir Forest
>Temple of Darkness and the awful shadow jellies
>Regal doesn't really get as involved as the others in the story
>Kratos being your dad was extremely predictable
>"I want to go home."
>skits aren't voiced in the English versions
>Symphonia Chronicles has ugly victory screen subtitles that can only be disabled by turning off battle voices despite Symphonia 2 having a separate option
>NPCs can block your way
>Sheena can only summon in Overlimit
>practically everything else in Chronicles, from the godawful audio mixing of unused and newly recorded lines for the Japanese PS2 attacks to removing the cel-shaded effect
>I lied, it's actually hot
>>339518287
I liked it. The premise was dumb since they could've just leaned for the fruit, but trying to solve the thing was like going through a rube goldberg machine.
>>339518397
Still better than any final fantasy
>>339518397
>I lied, it's actually hot
Why did you put a good point among those well thought bad ones?
>>339504434
>>great cast of characters
You had me until that point.
>>339518397
>>I lied, it's actually hot
Oh c'mon, that was a good scene.
>>339518397
>Regal doesn't really get as involved as the others in the story
Tbh I didn't really mind that. Plus he shot a laser beam from his hands that makes up for it.
>I lied, it's actually hot
It's cold actually.
>>339518536
I never even mentioned Final Fantasy. Don't be that guy.
>>339518575
>>339518662
BecauseI had Genis make it cold.
>>339518397
>from the godawful audio mixing of unused and newly recorded lines for the Japanese PS2 attacks
I find it deeply amusing that they bothered calling Cam Clarke to phone in a couple attack lines while he was probably golfing or taking a shit.
Reminder you'll never be as manly as Botta.
>>339518536
Good meme.
>Criticise any game that's not Final Fantasy
>STILL BETTER THAN FINAL FANTASY XDDD
>>339504434
The best girl is utter shit in battle.
What the fuck?
>>339518881
>drops his weapon and runs
>that faggy talking pose
>>339518796
Well, in fairness, what are they gonna do, just suddenly change voice actors when the player uses one of the newer attacks?
>>339518796
>>339519229
I'm wondering why they didn't just reuse the clip from the Vesperia dub.
Will Berseria be better than Symphonia?
>>339518397
Summons were what I hated the most about Syphonia. Going from Eternia, where the entire magic and summoning system was so fucking good to symphonia where its just terrible pissed me off so much.
>>339517604
its not a meme ff-kun, everyone says that the characters look like a boyband because that is the first impression one gets when they see this
it can't get anymore generic than this, they literally just copypasted shit from real life into their fantasy game and called it a day
What was that? You're comfortable with the game and are smashing everything on your path? Well, let's kill that dream.
I never see discussion on Destiny. It's unfortunate it was a small print.
>>339519468
I like Destiny but understandably the PS1 version isn't so good and people would much prefer to talk about the PS2 remake instead.
>>339519461
Sorry I couldn't hear you over how hard you're trying to sound dark and edgy.
>>339519630
Was there a translation for the remake?
>>339507006
They try and compensate for Free run being broken by giving bosses and some enemies super armor out the ass, so the fun factor is kinda debatable past Vesperia.
>>339519773
Nope.
>>339519461
>fight him
>he goes after Genis the whole time
>pretty much playing sword pong
>Genis burns the fucking Necronomicon with Fireball
>>339519446
Just fuck off with that stupid bogeyman. I fucking hate ff-kun for becoming such a fucking cop-out for anything FF related.
When someone doesn't know how to make any possible response they just say "ff-kun lmao xD"
>, they literally just copypasted shit from real life into their fantasy game and called it a day
Are you a fucking idiot? It was, to begin with, to be a game that mixes fantasy and real life. But of course, real life clothes trigger you so you'd rather have belts and zippers. Oh wait, you'd still whine about that as well. Or would you? Since that's what Tales still does while Nomura moved away from it ages ago.
>it can't get anymore generic than this
You can, easily. One easy answer is Tales which is on the levels of generic anime in every perceivable way.
>>339519348
Zero chance. Tales series is irredeemable at this point
>>339520080
Not really. Tales series just caters to its fanbase. To everyone else it's the same shit, fans want precisely that all over again with flashier combat system.
>>339505705
>Terrible PC port
Does this really matter?
>Dungeons like Meltokio Sewers, Ymir Forest, Latheon Gorge, and Escaping the Tower of Salvation/Welgia are not fun with their puzzles and being too long or slightly confusing
Of all of those I only possible found the second and third to be annoying.
>>339506389
At least it added some cute characters
Post quotes ingrained in your brain from this game.
>"INFERIOR......BEINGS!"
>"Don't overdo it. First Aid!"
>"I lied, it's actually hot coffee."
>half of Symphonia's dungeons are THAT dungeon
>it was the last Tales game with legit dungeons
>>339520513
>It's LORD Magnius, Vermin!
>Burn, Baby Burn. ERUPTION
>>339520513
[Insert LIGHTING BLA-SUPERLIGHTING BLADE here]
