Which rifle is better, /v/?
>>339476391
First one if the recoil is shit
>>339476391
>what is recoil and ammo
1st one of course
>both have the same dps
>one has to use double the ammo to do the same dps
First one of course.
>>339476391
depends if armor is flat reduction or percentile
The first one, even if the recoil is reduced proportionately to make them both equally accurate the second one will burn through ammo twice as fast
>>339476391
>doesn't mention recoil or mag size
>doesn't state how much health the target has
If we are assuming that people have 100hp for life then the choice is clearly A
>>339476495
Also better versus flat damage reduction.
If two people were to shoot both guns at each other at the same time the first person would shoot for 100 damage whilst the second would only shoot for 50 damage on their first shot, so the first is always superior.
>>339476391
actually, depends on HP...
Depends on a shitload of factors, like headshot damage, recoil and accuracy, reload speed, general ttk across the board, and things like size of the enemy force you will need to contend with at any given time, availability of additional ammo, all kinds of shit.
Also personal preference and skill will always play a factor.
I'd have to know the base rate of fire before I make a decision.
>>339476391
A will instantly kill any enemy with less than or equal to 100 HP. B takes more time.
B would probably be balanced if it did 55 or 60 damage. More DPS, worse TTK on weak enemies and more ammo consumption. A is better for sniping and weak enemies, B is better for enemies with a lot of health but worse for weak ones.
A balanced setup would probably be:
> A: 100DMG, 600RPM
> B: 60DMG, 1200RPM
> C: 400DMG, 100RPM
>>339476560
but you fire twice as quickly, idiot
they're the same in the end
>>339477070
you have to reload twice as many times
i doubt that they are the same
get your slavshit outta here
>>339477070
>but you fire twice as quickly
>What is recoil
>What is ammo capacity
What's better, to deal damage, or to deal damage while wasting more ammo? Retard.
>>339476391
depends, do buffs in this situation grant flat bonuses (+10 damage) or incremental bonuses (+10%). in addition, is ammo a factor? what am i fighting, does the target defend against a flat amount of damage or a percent of total damage inflicted? are there elemental bonuses? how are they implemented? i need more information in order to make a max DPS build for the coming raid
>>339477604
>posting literal melt-a-lot
>>339476904
he's right you know, it's all about that base enemy HP
>>339476391
1st if 1v1
2nd if 1v x
where x > 1
>>339476391
There is literally no situation where Rifle 2 is superior.
>>339478139
There's literally no proof of that ever happening.
>>339478662
>Hard to hit enemy runs across screen quickly
>Miss shot with rifle 1, enemy escapes unharmed
>Miss shot with rifle 2, get a second chance to deal 50 damage
Done
>>339476391
First one as you have to reload less.
>>339478662
Enemy with odd multiples of 50hp, such as 150, 250, 350, etc.
The bottom one obvious, 2x the rate gives you double the chance
>>339478807
other than, you know... whole fucking Germany now considering switching their G36 rifles to anything else, because heat related issues??
number 2
>mfw i spray and pray and nerdz get mad
>>339479185
dat boi
>>339476391
>le high damage high recoil burst fire meme
if you pick up an AK you are the cancer killing video games
The only way the second rifle is better is if targets have 50 hp of less, which is probably not the case in that game.
>>339479120
No?
First one, clearly.
>>339476391
First one fore one taps
>>339479281
>Rifle A - 1 shot/sec, 100dmg
>Rifle B - 2 shot/sec, 50dmg
>Rifle A - 2s ttk
>Rifle B- 1.5s ttk
Basic math, moron. Fire rates are arbitrary, by the way. Doesn't matter what they are.
>>339479120
>>339479441
Let's say it has 150 health.
>Both fire at 0s
>Rifle A has done 100 damage
>Rifle B has done 50 damage
>Rifle B fires at 100ms
>Rifle A has done 100 damage
>Rifle B has done 100 damage
>Both fire at 200ms
>Rifle A has done 200 damage
>Rifle B has done 150 damage
>they both kill the enemy at 200ms
>>339476391
First one is better.
Source: I own 7 of them.
Which one /v/?
>>339479441
>>339479543
B T F O
>>339479802
/k/alashnikov
Depends entirely on how much health a player has. If they only have 100 health, then the first rifle is better if your aim isn't shit.
It also matters if there is a headshot multiplier, and how much each weapon gets.
Top one, of course. More bullets at the same damage output. Not to mention recoil.
what now nerds
>>339479802
M4A1 > Type 56
rifle 2
>rifle 1 fires ever 60 seconds ergo rifle 2 fires ever 30 seconds.
with a 50% accuracy assuming you miss the first shot it will take you 2 minutes to kill anything.
>>339479943
>>339479618
>>339477604
>tfw want to get a gun but don't have the money or time
They're so sexy desu
>>339480020
you'd think fast bullets would do more damage
>>339479802
Both.
>>339479162
>whole fucking Germany now considering switching their G36 rifles to anything else
The German army upgraded their G36s to the A2 version and pretty much fixed all problems.
>>339479802
I prefer the feel of an AK but in most cases I think I'd pick an AR
>>339480076
but that is assuming that rifle one fires at 1rpm. If it fires at 1rpd(round per day) then rifle 2 is the 1# pick at 2rpd(round per day)
>>339480076
>>339480205
rifle one fires at 0rpm so rifle two fires at 2rpm. Rifle two wins all time
>>339480087
depends on what theyre being shot at
>>339480359
Rifle 1 unless I'm playing Dark Souls 3
>>339480359
That's only useful against snowmen you idiot and they cant even kill my dad. they suck at life
>>339476391
Depends with how much damage what you're up against dies.
>>339479802
ak, m16s are fucking shit.
>>339480042
Not a type 56
I don't remember playing any game where firerate would actually win over raw damage unless the fast gun also had almost no recoil.
>>339480743
obviously rifle B, since it has a scope that will make it easier to get headshots
>>339476391
It depends.
Does #2 come with double the ammo?
Does #1 have double the recoil making follow-up shots twice as difficult?
Is the first shot the most accurate or equal with all the others?
Does armor reduce damage by a percentage, or a flat amount?
>>339477518
If you do that miss it's the same. It goes through the same amount of bullets, it just the x2 fire rate one just goes through them quicker.
>>339481435
THE SKINS PLEASE
>>339479441
Retard
>>339481398
And it takes twice as many bullets to kill something, so no its not You can get more kills on the first one with the same amount of ammo.
>>339479802
I'll take the ar, because i dont want a gun that jams on me when i take it to the field.
>>339476391
Ayyo gimme dat burst dmg
>>339481435
SKINS
K
I
N
S
>>339476391
What if the enemy has a special buff that blocks all incoming damage and has a recharge time exactly equal to that of the first rife?
The first rifle would do no damage!
>>339480743
>both do the same damage
>Rifle A gets slight fire rate boost, tighter hip fire recoil patterns
>Rifle B gets better headshot damage multiplier, superior ADS accuracy
Fix'd
>>339479802
AR-15 because Americans weapon manufacturers actually have the experience and technology to produce high quality weapons while the Russian arms industry is a joke and the Soviet era weapons belong to a museum.
>>339481435
Skins for both guns or for that particular gun?
I'll get a decent skin and throw the shittier gun in the garbage
>>339481516
>legit russian AKMs
>jamming
maybe if you get a Type chinese knockoff
>>339476391
If we assume that the max hp are 100 and make the assumption that both start shooting at the same time, then the first one is better
>>339481657
AR's are more reliable in a dirty environment anon.
Thats a fact.
>>339481643
>Skins for both guns or for that particular gun?
Skin drops apply only for the second gun.
>>339481657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAneTFiz5WU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU
>>339481616
>playing a game with aim down sights
>>339479802
One is a decent rifle that costs pennies to make
The other is a highly customizable well made rifle that costs a second mortgage
>>339476391
>>339479802
Jokes aside, how much does a decent AR-15 or one of its variants cost in the US? Without the meme rails everywhere of course.
>>339481641
I get what you're saying, and rah rah America and all that, but I would imagine it all works the same when it's bearing down on your position.
The real question
>>339481705
Tell that the the vietnam vets.
>>339482105
Tell that to the mud test.
>>339482075
both wrong
winner is a gun firing swords
>>339481974
Gimme the memes
>>339482105
Almost all technical problems were fixed with the introduction of the A1 version and teaching drafted 17 year olds how to clean their fucking gun.
>>339482190
>artificial test
>real life experience
>>339481769
>>339482040
It all depends on the brand, it's usually about $600-$900
>>339482040
Without muh railz? Realistically, $700-800 USD can get you a flat-top AR. You'd need to buy your own sights, but it's worth it. Just pick a decent manufacturer and go.
>you could also build one from scratch for that amount to your specs
>>339482105
That wasn't even the same rifle
The M16 was fixed during Vietnam with the M16A1
>>339476391
first one especially if you can hit stuff
>>339482319
>>339482339
Thanks, now I need to think of a plan how to move to America.
>>339479802
AR 9 times out of 10
>>339482313
>this mud is different than this mud
>>339480359
>Split damage
I'll take the upper one
>>339482075
Assuming the left is a full sized sword, then having the gun on the blade would get in the way of the sword swinging itself.
If the gun on the right is oversized so that the sword is full size as well, then where are you going to get bullets that big? Also the gun barrel would be in the way of the sword swings.
If the gun on the right is normal size, then the sword is a toothpick. In either case, the pistol would not have anything to absorb the recoil and result in not giving the slide enough power to knock back and chamber the next round.
Left is better if only because you can assume both weapons are of normal proportions. The gun will at least work optimally and the sword will have more mass to handle the recoil.
>>339476391
First one for critical damage.
Second one for stopping power.
Literally the only definitive factual answer.
>>339482537
>get called a slut after healing a friendly player
>>339477070
One deals 1000 damage in 10 shots, the other takes 20 shots
>inb4 I was pretending to be retarded
1st one
Quality>Quantity
>>339482838
What the fuck
>>339479802
m4 is shit across the board, m16 is way better
ak47 is outdated shit for memers, ak103 is lightyears away
m16>ak103 if in optimal battle conditions
ak103>m16 if in a warzone for 3 years straight living in the mud and eating insects
seriously I'm not even a /k/ fag and I still know this much, git gud
>>339477070
>Shoot an enemy with the first weapon
>He shoots me with the second weapon
>I win with 50 hp left because my first bullet outright 100-0'd him
Well?
>>339481705
>be in vietnam
>mud and water everywhere
>dat boi comes up
>o shit waddup
>m16 jams
>>339479802
AKM variants became obsolete the moment the M4A2 came around, so I'll go with the M4.
>>339483069
Bottom. Wood furniture is a meme
>>339482838
>BOOLETS
>SPLASH
no
same for you >>339482637
>>339483069
>only two skins
step it up senpai
>>339482838
Loch 'n Load vs Grenade Launcher?
>>339483069
Top one is the only right answer unless youre some edgy fuck
>>339479441
>TTK = Number of shots - 1 (given that first shot takes place on the pull of the trigger at 0.00 seconds)
>Weapon A fires at 600RPM, one round every 0.1 seconds
>Weapon B fires at 1200RPM, one round every 0.05 seconds
>150 health
>A takes two shots, TTK of 0.1 second
>B takes three shots, TTK of 0.1 second
>250 health
>A takes three shots, TTK of 0.2 seconds
>B takes five shots, TTK of 0.2 seconds
>350 Health
>A takes four shots, has TTK of 0.3 seconds
>B takes seven shots, has TTK of 0.3 seconds
In an ideal situation where neither weapon misses:
With 50 at the end of health, the two are identical.
In instances of 100, Weapon A wins.
For each step up of +100 health, Rifle B has to land +2 shots for Rifle A's +1 shots.
The economy of rounds spent will always favor weapon A.
In the instance of both missing once, they'll now be even at 100, but weapon B will finally have an "advantage" at 150 health. This advantage will only grow assuming each weapon misses an equal number of rounds.
HOWEVER, in a statistically realistic scenario considering one more factor, a person's inaccuracy will keep them off-target for the same period of time given human reaction. In all likelihood, they'll miss twice as much with the faster weapon before the correct their aim. This is why most games have a universal average of 30% to 40% accuracy across all automatic weapons in a game. They don't miss an equal number of rounds, but instead miss an equal percentage of rounds.
Across countless shooting games, it is almost always the slower firing, high damage weapons that dominate.
>>339476391
The first one, has less hits you have to land, saves ammo and you won't be spraying forever
>>339483204
You don't know, it could be firing mini grenades.
>>339482105
>First batch of M16's sent to Vietnam = all AR models
The AR platform went through revisions and had its issues fixed by the end of the Vietnam war you idiot.
>>339483069
Trade both for an AKM instead.
>>339482838
literally loch vs nade launcher
and we all know which one people hate the most
>>339481760
>ak47
wow it's fucking nothing, let's see the ak103 mud test famalam ;^)
>>339477070
No, they are not the same you fucking retard. You will have to reload more often with the second gun than the first. It expends more ammo, for less damage. You also risk of being helpess when reloading.
Go the fuck back to tumblr nigger.
Hey guys, who would win in a fight?
Me or a ham sandwich?
>>339483521
Ham sandwich.
>>339476391
>>339483521
Is the ham sandwich sentient?
>ITT: Noguns who think every AR is a Vietnam era M16
>>339483586
always went with 4 different elemental guns in borderlands
>>339482390
No lie, joining up can help your chances. Not sure if you'd want to deal with a first world military in pseudo-peacetime, or all the beaurocracy and stupidity that that entails. But if you really want to, go for it. Some just really take to military life well. Hell, you might even get lucky, get active duty in the Sandbox and blast at Hajis for a change instead of POG duty in Germany/Korea/Continental US.
A more surefire (and less risky) course of action would be to emigrate via work visa or college education. Despite everyone bemoaning the Good Ol' Days when America had the lion's share of heavy industry, it needs skilled/specialized labor NOW NOW NOW. The old guard are dying off or hanging up their hard hats, and America is in short supply of replacements. Degrees in fields like Engineering are drawing talent from all over. It'd be wise to do this ASAP.
>>339483586
I don't understand the bonus damage. Is it just total 105 damage, or 30 damage + 75 damage that could be resistant?
>>339483892
2 is basically cod knife
>>339483892
>no recoil
Sheeeeit
>>339483892
#2 if there are a lot of barns around
>>339483892
I go for that golden gun insta-death right there. Better odds of running up to someone on a suicidal mission to kill them.
It depends on so many things, even assuming all other stats are equal.
If enemies are slow and easy to shoot (ala older Call of Dutys) gun A will probably be better. But if everyone crazy movement abilities like some Quake/Tribes/Titanfall hybrid, gun B will be better.
This is also depends on RoF. Gun A is relatively better the higher the base RPM is. If it shoots at 600 rpm and the Gun B is double at 1200 rpm, it probably won't make a big difference. But lets drop that to 300 and 600, then Gun B is going to be a lot more consistent on hard to hit targets.
This then depends on recoil/spread per shot. Gun A is relatively better the more recoil each shot has as the slower RoF -> less overall recoil. The less recoil per shot, the less of an accuracy penalty the higher RoF will be be. Again, this ties back into how difficult it is to hit an enemy as larger/slower moving targets will mitigate the effect of any recoil/spread.
This also depends on reload time. The longer the reload time is, the better gun A is as you have less downtime.
There's really a lot to consider and obviously there's no definitive answer whether A or B is better in a vacuum. Context is everything.
>>339483886
>it needs skilled/specialized labor NOW NOW NOW
I am German and I have a BSc in Chemistry and years of work experience in the sports facility industry as a lab technician, what are my chances?
>>339483892
depends on fire rate
>>339476721
If all other things are equal, and every shot hits, the person with the first rifle will beat the person with the second rifle.
>>339479185
Fuck Chrono Cross
>>339479185
o shit waddup
>>339484210
>>339476721
Just like in real life. You want to use the weapon which deals the most damage.
>>339484154
Pretty damn good. Get on over here.
>>339476391
If there's a chance for critical hits then go for the second one. Faster attack speed means more criticals.
>>339484365
if nothing else the moist nugget pistols always seemed like the bolt would really hurt your hand
>>339484154
You should have no issue, and it sounds like you'd be a positive addition to the country. You have the added advantage of being the nationality which a plurality of Americans are descended from, myself included.
>>339484173
Same rate.
>>339484659
But is it a fast or slow rate?
>>339483831
As a milfag I can assure you that the M4A1s we now use still jam like crazy every time we go to the range. And yes I know how to clean a weapon.
I shouldn't have the range official squirting CLP into my ejection port after shooting 3 mags worth of ammo.
Really, I'd go with an AR everytime. I owned an AK, and while it is sturdy and easy to operate and clean, after 300 meters it became difficult to hit a target. 7.62 is an amazing round that blows fucking holes in everything, but good luck fighting in a situation that is longer than one open field.
>>339476391
Depends on enemy health. If the average enemy has 50 or less health then the second gun is better. If not then the first.
>>339484510
Basically. Obrez pistols are, and always have been, workarounds for shit laws. Their effectiveness as a weapon is entirely situational.
>be revolutionary
>pig czars won't let me have peestol
>still lets me have rifle for hunting
>Yuri has hacksaw
>HEFF IDEA
>Cut down gun Hide in coat AHNU CHEEKI BREEKI IV DAMKE ?¿?¿ REVOLUTION
>fast-forward to today
>Obrez certifiable as made before X date essentially falls under the purview of Curios & Relic (old-ass gun) law, and not standard Short-Barrel Rifle laws (your pick of either paying $200 to the people restricting your freedoms and waiting for a year till they decide to grant you approval for a tax stamp, OR a wonderful stay at Club Fed)
>>339486027
god damn
i forgot how resourceful slavs were
that's some genuinely funny shit
>>339476391
If the enemy has a flat dmg reduction of 50 than the 2nd one is literally useless
>>339476495
/thread
>>339483948
It's 30 damage with +75 lingering damage that slowly eats away at the target's health.
>>339476391
If high TTK, the second one.
If low TTK, the first one.
>>339476391
The latter. Same DPS but more flexibility and more likely to score a hit as there's more bullets in the air, which thus makes covering fire better.
As a rule, split your ouput up into small, high frequency packages and you'll do better. This is why men don't ejaculate one egg-sized sperm, they ejaculate millions of mini-bastards.
The first one you should inl5y be firing in short bursts anyway
>>339477070
One makes you reload twice as often and runs through your ammo twice as fast to deal the same damage at the same pace
Are you stupid?
>>339476391
>pvp
1
>pve
2, and I stack crit chance/crit multiplier.
>>339476391
The second one now has twice the ammo capacity and slightly better recoil
Which is better?
>>339479618
Fags like you are the worst. Do you even hunt? Or do you just buy le epic assault rifles to shoot at a range and pretend you're a badass?
>>339488412
Also more likely to miss. Your logic is bunk.
>>339489292
>more shots in the air
>"more likely to miss"
Let me guess, you're a leet sniper rite?
>>339477070
>Not taking note of similar clip size
>Literally having half of your DPS in 1 clip
Damn nigger at least try
>>339476391
2x fire rate can make up for lower accuracy and has twice as much chances of getting a critical hit
>>339489502
What?
"Prepare to die in this Mortal Kombat"
Really NetherRealm Studios?
>>339489602
>clip
>>339476391
The first one obviously. This is too easy with guns. You use less ammo with the first, and have to manage recoil less to get the same effect. Is this even a question?
>>339489909
You believe that a player is less likely to score hits when he is putting less shots out into the air. In reality no individual bullet *ever* has a good chance of hitting, and the single best way (from all perspectives) of hitting any target or targets is to put more shots out.
In other words, x2 rate deals damage at the same rate but at double reliability. Which further gives it twice the utility as a suppression instrument, aka the real reason you use these weapons.
