Is he really OP or are people just shitters?
He's just balanced and doesn't have any dedicated counter to him.
He's not OP, but there are areas of maps that favor him extremely. That's okay, by the way, this is a game where mid game switching is encouraged
He and Lucio might be a bit OP.
Lucio just needs a nerf on his HP. Take away 50 HP from him and he's perfect.
As for McCree, I'm honestly having a hard time thinking of a nerf that doesn't completely ruin him.
Posting before the namefag retard shows up
>>339433690
The problem is that he's really good up close and people keep walking into him instead of switching to counter.
Mei, Junkrat, either snipers, Bastion, even Roadhog all deal with mccree
>>339433690
He alone can take out tanks in a few seconds. He one shots healers. He can headshot snipers from across the map.
In short, no. He's the most balanced hero
Anyone that says no is a shitter
I just switch to Roadhog anytime there's a McCree on the enemy team. I just love Roadhog though, fun as fuck.
He has a 133% pick ration in competitive play. That makes him factually, objectively imbalanced and blizz will nerf him if their track record holds true.
People are just mad he's geared towards 1v1 confrontations
While it's true that theres no one character that can counter him, if the enemy has any kind of backup whatsoever he's fucked
>>339433859
Lucio needs a nerf to healing. He is way too good compared to Mercy.
>>339433812
no counter doesn't mean balanced. it literally means the opposite in a game built around counters, retard.
>>339433859
Even if the flashbang just slowed and blinded he'd be good
Hell you can get a lot of kills and do tons of damage just picking off mid range targets with your revolver. I also get fan kills frequently outside of flash range.
>>339433859
You never played this game when lucio had 150 hp did you?
>>339434119
Why is Mei so low? Her wall is so strong.
>>339434291
Because it's not. At all.
>>339434119
>said the shitter
>>339434171
>he's not broken, you just need to use multiple people to deal with one player or die
>>339434523
Not an argument
>>339434579
I'm not making one. I'm saying you're a shitter. Keep up
>>339434529
The same can be applied to a quarter of the cast
>>339433690
You need to be half decent to play him. Most Overwatch players are not half decent. Most everybody will play McCree and suck absolute ass as him.
>>339434529
Do you think every character was made to be able to 1 v 1 another? In a heavily team based game?
>>339433859
Make his flashbang a root.
>>339434638
>t. Sweaty McCree fag
>>339434730
>close my eyes
>right click
>ez kill
Flashbang needs to blind you. Not stun you.
>>339433690
>REALLY op? No
Strong? Yes
In need of a minor nerf? Sure
Absolutely dominating and unbeatable? Nah.
>>339434119
Lucio is just really fun to play. I'd still pick him even if he was nerfed to the ground
>>339434807
Your opinions and views on the game are as if you've played it for a half hour total. You prove it over and over again with each post in OW threads.
I don't play McCree, but I'd body you with him I'm sure.
>>339434762
No, but he claimed that NO ONE can beat him 1v1 except another McCree.
>my aim is so fucking bad that aim-based OP characters like mcree are shit in my hands
it's not fair. it's not fucking fair. i've been DMing in CS:GO to improve my shit fucking aim but it's barely better than it was a month ago.
>>339434848
Thats what I thought it did when I first bought the game, before I got hit with one.
>>339433690
>Hit scan weapon
>Great accuracy
>Can duel anyone long - mid range
>Out duels reaper at short range
He's op
>>339433690
>Reaper
he has to be close quarters to instagib you, if hes at range then blame your sniper
If he flashes you as reaper you can wraith out of it then just fuck him up
The stun+burst combination is just too good.
>>339434973
>literally wanting one of the two objectively op characters brought in line
>hurr it's like you've only played half an hour
Better go enjoy cheesing noobs while you can McCreE+right click kiddo.
>playing on console
>sniping heroes are awful to play with controller(widow, mcCree, zenyatta, genji, hanzo etc)
>Always at least 1 Hanzo doing nothing, with him being the worst gimped on controller
>McCrees all just flashbang+fan
![61262[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rebsLtI.jpg "61262[1].jpg")
Why does a cowboy have a flashbang grenade anyways?
Nah, parts of maps favor him, but that can be said for several characters. Don't see an issue with him, honestly.
>Neat reference btw, Blizzard
>>339435049
>aim based
Just do what every other shitter does and abuse flash fan.
>>339435241
It's not a flashbang, it's pocket sand
>>339435241
it's pocket sand you shit
>>339435202
Who is the other "objectively" OP character that you suck against?
>>339434986
Have you considered not going off on your own like a dumbass?
>>339435323
Lucio. It's not about sucking against him it's about him being far too useful.
>>339435316
>>339435321
>Literally no seconds apart
Come on guys.
>>339435316
>>339435321
Pocketsandmind
>>339434291
Mei isn't shit when an organized team works together.
She, like Bastion, only works in games with random folks in which you can't expect anyone to stick together or communicate.
Her wall is just as much of an impediment to her allies as it is her enemies.
Her little self-Freeze just makes her a non issue for four seconds and a sitting duck that will allow the enemy to kill her the moment she breaks out.
>>339435202
I mean, maybe you could prove me wrong, but so far it seems like you haven't a goddamn clue what you're talking about. I'm not even sure you own the game kid.
And I'm still trying to figure out why you use a name. You're clinically retarded and it's sad.
>>339435241
Mining meant access to things such as these.
That, and there's this here movie...
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>>339433690
He barely can evade once he fails the stun bs and waste the barrel just one teleport with tracer and he's done
>>339434119
Zenyatta has too low of a HP.
Roadhog,Hanzo,Mei are situational beasts but some maps don't suit them.
Winston makes no sense. He's the only character in the game that can't out DPS a heal.
>>339435441
>being useful means you're "objectively" overpowered
Okay. I'm listening. Continue.
He's one of my least-played characters.
>>339435550
>he's easy to take down if the guy playing him is shit
How to handle Mcree.
1. Do not fight him 1v1.
2. Try to avoid taking flanking routes alone
3. Do not fight him 1v1
4. If you see Mccree run around a corner, do not fallow him around it, it is a trap 100% of the time
5 Do not fight Mccree alone
6. DO NOT FIGHT MCCREE ALONE
7. And here's the important one, if you see a teammate fighting a Mccree, fucking help them.
Mccree can win almost any 1v1 but will lose almost every 1v2. He doesn't have any sustainability or escapes like reaper and he only has 200hp.
>>339434006
>Mei
>dealing with McCree
He absolutely fucks her at close range, and his gun does the same damage as her right click but faster and hitscan at range. She can wall his ult to annoy him and that's about it.
>>339435348
No, because I can just play McCree and deal with roamers alone just fine.
>>339435550
>failing the stun
Is this even possible?
>>339435528
I get the dynamite thing. But why is it a flashbang?
Why not just a stick of dynamite that does no stun but still has the same good splash damage?
>>339434172
Naw Mercy needs a buff.
Boosting the range and controllability of her move to teammate skill would be fun and add to her skill cap (boost past a team mate.)
Also increase her pistol mag size.
>>339435550
>failing the stun
Which scenarios does this take place?
>>339435502
I'm literally using pro level player picks and what they do to prove my point. If you honestly think you know so much better than those guys I don't have a fucking clue what to tell you nigger.
The only characters that need a nerf are McCree, Lucio, and Tracer. Mercy's ult also needs to build slower.
Everyone else is pretty fine.
I still wish Winston did damage though
>>339434291
Mei is only in low tier because Mccree is her hard counter and he is so mandatory that there's usually multiple Mccree picks.
>>339434243
>. I also get fan kills frequently outside of flash range.
>he plays him
Not cool man.
>>339434192
I think " well-rounded " might be more appropriate, he's useful in any team comp will not being that OP, just avoid being alone against him because he's the best when it comes to 1v1.
>>339435582
>Mei
>situational beast
Yeah that's why she was picked 5 fucking times in total.
>>339433690
I think people were initially pissed off about his Ult because auto aim is cheap as fuck, but personally, I think it's really easy to avoid.
>>339435670
She can block the flashbang with the wall or her invul heal. Seen some good survives from Mei doing that.
>>339435816
>nerf mercy
Also swap out Tracer for Widowmaker
>>339434119
Torbjorn is the most underrated character in the game.
>>339435716
He could have had that, but honestly I think they may have been concerned with balance. He already has his special that shoots everything that moves.
>>339435625
You forgot the eight step.
>8. Kill him from afar if you can
He can't do shit if you're Soldier 76 and harassing him from a fairly long range. He's not invulnerable to sniper headshots, either.
>muh pros
Why?
>>339435607
>>120 percent pick rate
>hurr he's fine
>be Genji
>Deflect a flashbang back to the McCree
>"Alright time for an easy kill"
>Deflect doesn't drop until after the flashbag has worn off
Fuck this game, fuck this hero. I don't even get an advantage for doing that.
>>339435953
He's pretty hit or miss. If they rush a point and destroy his turret before his ult up then he is totally useless.
>>339436031
Why are you replying to post #120?
>>339435854
You know a world outside of comp play exists, right?
You realize that neither me, you, the guy you're replying to, or anyone else in this thread is ever going to play at a high competitive level, right?
What happens in comp does not apply to us common folk in any way. Lots of shit that doesn't work in comp works in pubs.
No one ever plays pyro in TF2 sixes either, yet a good pyro player can singlehandedly pubstomp public servers.
>>339435902
Porque no los dos
Tracer's mobility is far too strong and widow's charge shot charges too fast.
>>339435860
the ult is retarded because its an autoaim OHKO that gives him 10 seconds to threaten people with
and even if he decides not to use it he gets 50% back which is retarded for such a powerful ult, that only happens with other ults if the person dies immediately after using the ult
>>339435880
Doesn't matter, at close range she has almost no time to react to flashbang besides guessing when he'll use it, and even if it misses she's too fat to dodge his right click. If a Mei is killing a McCree it means he can't aim at all. Walling him and walking away isn't a win, they're coming out equal.
>>339434119
>tfw roadhog and zenyatta are my fav characters
>>339435816
>Mercy's ult also needs to build slower.
Mercy's ult is really the only reason to pick her over Lucio right now. Even if you play extremely well as Mercy, Lucio does so much more. If it builds at the same rate as Lucio, she'll be dead in the water.
Mccree and Lucio need a nerf
Hanzo, Dva, and Zenyatta need buffs
I think mccree needs some damage falloff for his left clicks at long rage
>>339436012
Because you need a place in which to judge if a character is too strong or not. And judging off of random shitter (most of you guys) isn't going to work. I can cry about how Mei is OP like most of you shit tier players when in reality she's not at all. That's a good example of idiot just saying anything that beats them is OP.
But McCree is a different story, he rocks games left in right in optimal level play, as in, when everyone on the team is using their character to the fullest he still bodies people.
Balancing off shitters on /v/ isn't a smart decision. So that's "why"
>>339436113
I've got to use something objective, would you rather me spew anecdotes?
>>339436227
Mercy and Lucio don't really step on each other's toes so you can roll both really
>>339436242
What kind of buffs?
Os that freedom fight namefag the one making these "nerf mccree" threads?
Jes always in them and seems to be adamant about nerfing him.
I think he got shat on by him or just doesn't want to play a class that counters him.
>inb4 he calls me a mccree main
>>339436242
>hanzo buffs
1 shot scatter arrow and the ridiculous hitbox size on his arrows when it comes to headshots. No thanks. Also the last thing we need is more shitters trying to play hanzo. You forgot Symmetra too.
>>339436119
pub tracers are really predictable with their movements
comp tracers aren't viable past stalling because like, why not pick mcree
she gets away pretty easily but if you keep threatening her and getting her to low hp she doesnt do a whole lot. also soldier 76 and genji can make her use rewind early and/or play safer because they can instantly pop her for a quarter/half of her health
>>339435720
Maybe if they made it so you can be healed if you walk through Mercy's stream but at a reduced effect.
>>339436358
McCree counter McCree and I do play McCree.
>>339436358
>mccree
>counters
el oh el winkyface
>Rework Symmetra's shields
>Any health that the player is missing will be regen'd as a shield until they get a healthpack or proper heals.
>No cap on this
Y/N?
>>339436307
I'd rather have you form your own opinion instead of parroting things that you've heard people that are better than you say.
Mei, torb, and bastion are the characters most people cry about being OP. Torb and Bastion are useless against anyone with a brain, and mei can be handled by grouping up. That being said, mei is fucking cancer regardless of whether she's balanced or not, and I fucking hate the shitty nigger who her primary should slow you to a crawl the INSTANT it touches you and letting her icicle score headshot damage.
>>339435607
>Okay. I'm listening. Continue.
Literally always a good pick in ever situation, on ever map, and on every game type. He heals or boosts everyone within LoS AND himself, he's one of the most mobile characters in the game, and his ult is basically "I want to cap this point now". The only other character even remotely as universally good is McCree because there isn't a single character that can counter him besides another McCree who sees him first. His flash + fan combo will instakill almost every hero, and the ones he doesn't instakill will die if he decides to throw a roll into the mix as well. Beating him in a fight revolves ENTIRELY around him missing his shots and has nothing to do with your skill as a player.
>>339435582
Winston's gun shits on back line squishies and snipers, he's super mobile, his bubble shield lets him hop in and disrupt the entire team in relative safety, he's decently bulky, and his ult can clear a point while fully healing him AND doubling his health while shortening the cooldown on his hop. He's good on his own, and amazing when paired with another winston.
post yfw 39 fan the hammer kills 45 eliminations card
He's not the worst to fight against but the game is heavily Rock/Paper/Scissors based and nobody particularly counters him. He can headshot for large amounts of damage, can stun enemies, unload all of his bullets at once and while not nearly as bad as Soldier 76's ultimate can auto-aim.
You'd think fast mobility heroes like Tracer and Genji can take him but again, that flashbang is too gud.
>>339436587
Why?
>playing meme games
>>339436587
or just make it 50 health again
>>339436689
So she's a viable support
>>339436349
Yeah, but there really isn't a need for a nerf right now. Most pub games don't run two support (and probably not even one) so nerfing Mercy makes little sense. As fast as that Ult grows, big moments rarely appear so a lot of times I only manage to get off one or two rezzes simply because I'm tired of holding onto it forever. It's held back by the fact that you have to wait until AFTER the fight ends, not when it begins like every other one in the game.
Make stun grenade root like junkrats beartrap instead of stun. That way he can't bullshit mash anyone to death while still being able to kill shit like tracer like he should.
>>339436052
Genji should be able to drop reflect with a right mouse click for exactly this reason.
>tfw main Pharah
>never had to deal with mccrees since they have shit aim
>the ones that do look up and go for me die in 2 rocket hits since they're in the open and squishy
>>339436284
he has damage falloff already
>>339435880
due to 20 tic servers in pubs this isn't reliable and mcree can just wait anyway. if he doesnt do enough damage to her where she needs to heal the full duration then yeah i guess
>>339436227
mercy doesn't conflict with lucio. mercy has way better single target healing whereas lucio obviously has better healing on multiple targets. mercy has damage buff to let her team oneshot squishies while lucio's speedboost helps to keep the entire team in a good position. mercy's ult is frankly retarded imo because she can die at the beginning of a fight, dash in near the end and revive her entire team. then she gets the ult back not even 3 seconds later.
>>339436847
>then you get insta killed by widowmaker or 76
We could double how fun Overwatch is simply by removing Widowmaker and Hanzo. Snipers have no place in an objective-based game.
>>339436970
>Remove snipers
>Now the meta is turrets
If anything needs to be removed, its healers.
>>339436636
And how exactly do I defend those opinions? I "discovered" for myself that McCree was overpowered I use the stats to back up what I say instead of bullshit and anecdotes.
Yeah, he needs some sort of nerf. He doesn't have any real counters and his stun > fan > roll fan does way too much damage, and he can simply kill low health characters with stun > fan without any way for them to fight back. Plus anyone with decent aim can kill people across the map. I have like 70% winrate with him.
>>339436161
>tfw all my legendary skins are for those two characters that I don't even wanna play as.
>>339435449
>implying care enough to bypass post cooldown to post 'pocket sand'
Nice tinfoil mate.
>>339435457
He doesn't understand mate.
>>339437073
Turrets get removed by Pharrah and Junkrat anyway.
>>339436969
>Jump on a widowmaker and she panics and starts jumping around and firing her bb gun as I insert myself into her.
Why do they all react the same? Don't they usually have their grappling hook ready to get away?
>>339436097
True, but his shotgun is deceptively good and his armor buff is amazing on low health characters. Stacks with curry bitch's shield too.
If you get rolled early you do have to switch though yeah.
Is Winston hard to play or am I just real bad?
>>339437073
>>Now the meta is turrets
what are explosives
>>339435207
I don't find Widowmaker that difficult to use on controller compared to other games with a sniper honestly.
>>339437193
He's pretty hard to play.
>>339437203
Not as effective at countering bastion or a turret. But if a sniper has no place in an objective game I don't see how spamming explosives does.
Mercy is OP there is no situation where she's a bad pick.
Nerf her over the hill cunt
I'm half joking.
>>339435854
She was a hambeast all 5 times.
>>339437193
Winston requires a good team to capitalize on his shit
>>339437193
You need a good team.
You can break up their lines and distract them but if your team is fucking around it won't mean anything and you'll just get gunned down alone.
>>339437167
Because if they are bad enough to let you land on top of her then they are shitters.
>>339437193
He's slightly less squishy then Roadhog but you should be using his jump ability to escape tough spots or single out heroes straying away from their team.
>>339437323
She is a bad pick when your team doesn't have a Lucio because he is better in every way.
He's fine, easy to kill at a range.
>>339433690
He is really good up close, but I think the problem is most people choose to engage him upclose dispite the fact they are just going to get a flash and 12 bullets in the face.
Just like Widowmaker, when you know where he is, go around and stop the feeding.
Are you guys actually getting bodied by mccree in pub games or just looking at pro matched and agreeing he's too powerful?
Just curious. Cuz people bitch about Mei but I've never had a problem facing her. I'm wondering I there's some super kick ass mccrees out there
>>339434119
>hanzo that low
I call bullshit. I can't go a single game without him and widowmaker
>the best pubstomper period
>absurd pick rate by competitive teams
>literally says "easy" when he flash+fan combos you
You have 10 seconds for literally one reason why he shouldn't be nerfed into oblivion.
>>339437552
>go around
But then you end up in a hallway and get raped by him
>>339433690
Judging from the tournament yesterday, yeah, he's OP. Was pretty common to see 2 McCrees on a team.
>>339434172
>>339435720
Mercy and Lucio were on almost every team yesterday, just like McCree (and reinhardt [and usually widowmaker]). Mercy's ult is what makes her great.
>>339437590
If you nerfed him, everyone will just pick the next FOTM. When D.va got nerfed she went from most used tank to absolutely nobody using her.
People are going to gravitate towards the easy to use characters that decimate with little effort.
So if you team's absolute shit, what's the best thing you can do?
Like what's the best hero to play to carry?
I typically go 76 or Reaper since they're self sustaining and just try to get as many eliminations as possible.
Game's just so frustrating playing with randoms.
>>339437590
He walks about 0.5 MPH and is taken out or equalled at range by a lot of the cast.
>>339437580
No one seriously thinks Mei is overpowered. Getting surprised and killed by her just makes people salty because it's a pretty embarrassing way to die. Mccree is good in every situation and not at all difficult to play as while having no hard counters.
>Genji on your team is a Naruto cosplayer
>Genji on enemy team is fucking Gray Fox
Why does this always happen?
>>339437773
Lucio or Reinhardt
>>339437842
Mei isn't overpowered, she's just excruciatingly annoying.
I hate her so much.
>>339437580
Mcree can melt anyone down, tank or not. Thats where most of the salt comes from. That and the fact that getting killed by a stun is zero fun
McCree has a pickrate of over 200% in tournaments. Meaning that there are at least 2 of them in every single match
>>339437580
>Cuz people bitch about Mei but I've never had a problem facing her
You know how people complain about Mei freezing them and headshotting them with an icicle? McCree does that much faster, easier and with more damage so it even kills tanks.
>>339433690
PLEASE OVERWATCH MARKETER GET OUT HERE WITH YOU FUCKIN SHITPOSTER!!!
>>339437934
The problem with McRee is he rapes shitters and is the best overall offensive hero, bar none.
And yet, you can't nerf him without making him worthless. I guess you could give him less health, but it won't do much.
>>339435840
The thing with McCree is you are sometimes forced to play him. There is no other character in the game that deals as well with Tracer and Mei as he does.
>>339437782
But that's wrong. He's a top tier hero at long ranges as well, he has a hitscan weapon that can crit. Who else has that? Widow, Soldier? Blizzard stated that he's simply too versatile.
>>339433859
give his flashbang a timer.
I'd also make his fan the hammer something you have to click yourself and not just click once and automatically fire all 6 rounds. so right click readies the hammer and then it fires as fast as you can click the left mouse button.
I'd also change his non-dash reload load each round one at a time. so only speed loaders on the dash-reload.
I think 2 of those would balance him out a bit. also none of those would ever happen but I can hope can't I?
>>339437580
Only shitters complain about Mei, she's slow as fuck and her freeze ray is easy to avoid
>>339438093
Blizzard already nerfed McRee, they can't do much more to him.
He used to be better than the snipers at sniping.
>>339438038
How about cut the duration of flashbang in half or to 1/3rd so it requires quick response, rather than giving McCree enough time to pull down your pants and light a cigar before fanning the hammer?
>>339438093
>He's a top tier hero at long ranges as well, he has a hitscan weapon that can crit
Not true. This was true in the beta but he got a significant damage fallout at mid to long distances with the revolver. A McCree that isn't in your face is worthless.
>>339438038
The problem here is that the typical player believes a character is either the best in the world or completely worthless. It is possible to find a happy medium where all characters are actually balanced without being hilariously broken at what they do. As it stands now, Mcree simply shits out too much damage for what he does.
>>339437773
>just try to get as many eliminations as possible.
This is completely useless in a team of shitters because they will not get on the point ever. The reinhardt will be in the hallway fighting a flanker and shielding the valuable vase in the corner, your widowmaker will be at the spawn, hanzo (yes you have 2 snipers on offense) will be masturbating and shooting scatter arrows at walls, and Dva will be firing her laser guns from a million miles away, and Zenyatta will try to cap but he'll only take the most obvious path to the point without any teammates.
McCree can be fixed by requiring his stun to be a direct hit and making fan have a cooldown instead of only needing a reload.
Right now you cant even stop stun with Genji or Reinhardt because he can just throw the flashbang beside them to stun them
>>339437968
People actually tend to switch things up on KOTH matches. But his pick rate is still over 100% which is pretty fucked up. I'm pretty sure everyone in the "Defense" category is sub 50% across every game mode.
>>339438198
Flashbang is already as reduced as possible, you always get out of a stun at the last second of him fanning the hammer on you, no matter how fast he is.
>>339433859
>replace flashbang with fan the hammer as an ability
literally fixed, stuns have no place in fps games
>>339438156
That's retarded as fuck, people would just use mouse macros to click really fast
>>339438038
>you can't nerf him without making him worthless
Make flashbang blind instead of stun, and make it range from slightly harder to see at max range to a pure white screen if it's a direct hit.
>>339438178
they could make his flashbang fuck over every single character
how about making it an actual flashbang where it slows a little and prevents the use of abilities
>>339438215
>worthless
That's really pushing it. Especially big characters take a lot of damage from 'Crees in mid to highish range.
>>339438215
It feels like they changed/tweaked a lot of stuff since the open beta without patch notes. It's bullshit.
Who was the hard counter for Mcree again?
Flashbang either needs to have a fuse or require a direct hit.
Right now he can do stupid shit with it like throw the grenade at genjis feet when he is reflecting to stun him making him the worst attacker in the game competitively.
Just give the flashbang a short delay. Enough time to react but you can still surprise people if you're smart. His unload can still be his primary fire and the wombo combo is still doable on reckless flankers
>>339433690
I can never seem to kill anyone with his ult. I don't know what it is. It damages them but they never die.
>>339438424
Roadhog, Widow, Hanzo I'd say.
Consider the following:
McCree is only OP because of Lucio. Normally, he's pretty well balanced in that he's great when getting in your face, but he has shit mobility and evasion. However, with a Lucio besides him speed-boosting him, he has no disadvantages anymore.
>>339438424
Pharah's dad
>>339438424
Anyone with more health than he has damage
Anyone with distance on him
Genji
>tfw you fan the hammer into your own face
>>339438424
A better Mcree.
>>339438524
Roadhog is actually awful against McCree right now because of how buggy his hook is.
If the game decides to not pull McCree close enough to one shot him McCree gets a free kill.
>>339438424
A good Widow can wreck him pretty bad, but then again a good Widow can wreck everyone. I woul nerf her too
>>339434730
>need to be half decent
>press E
>about to right click
>mfw
>>339438616
>Anyone with more health than he has damage
no character in the game has 840 health which is what he does with fan roll fan.
>>339438560
Consider the following
The duo needs a nerf.
Flashbang requires contact
Give Lucio a 5+ sec cooldown between switching songs
Rolling no longer reloads
Nerf amp by 20%
>>339438623
>see enemy mcree
>we're moving closer
>flashbang before him and walk away the victor
>>339438616
Literally every character in the game can be killed with the stun > fan > roll > fan combo
>>339438560
>Lucio in not healing mode
top kek
>>339438524
>>339438660
Snipers don't count, they're just faggots that sit back for risk-free easy kills.
>>339438697
You have to get in their face or ambush them first. McCree has some of the worst mobility and evasion out of all the heroes.
>>339438759
Most characters are dead before you even need to roll, unless you're bad and cant aim on a non moving target.
>>339435625
>dont 1v1
>entire heroes devoted to flanking and picking off lone heroes
>"Oh, a Mccree was hiding around the corner! I guess I'm insta dead" -Tracer
At least with a Bastion/Roadhog/Reaper you have a quick chance to get out
>>339438789
Lucio is literally never on healing mode when a game starts.
>>339438038
Remove flashbang, increase his speed and make roll really good. That would make him more fun and have a higher skill cap.
>>339438635
Yea I've been noticing those issues on 'Hogs hook too recently but it's not at a point where the ability becomes completely useless. In the majority of cases it works as intended and McCrees are actually one my most common victims.
KOTH maps do really favor Roadhog though (which is where I mainly play him) in my opinion, so it's probably different on other maps.
>Roadhog wants to kill someone at close range
>Misses the hook, gets fucked
>Mei wants to kill someone at close range
>Gets zoned out or someone pops an evasion move
>Gets fucked.
>D.va wants to kill someone at close range
>Has to get all up in their shit and get consistent headshots
>If she fails to get the headshots she gets fucked.
>Mc'ree wants to kill someone at close range
>Auto wins no matter what
>Even has a long range pistol if they try to juke him
Nah, just remove Mcrees reload on roll and he'll be fine. Every character in the game has a one shot window at getting their kill if they fuck it up they have to pull out. Mcree is the only one who has no chance of failure.
I was watching that >competitive overwatch tournament yesterday and at one point the attacking team had 3 McCrees who all had their ultimate up. They popped all of them one after another to scare the enemy team into backing up so they could push the payload up for free
>>339438740
I think your debuffs are too strong. Here's what I'd consider doing and test out before anything else:
-Lucio loses 50 HP
-McCree has to hit the flashbang on someone to actually stun them, can't stun multiple people.
>>339438707
flashbang only lasts long enough for one fan, after that they're free to dodge your shit
>>339438329
>stuns have to place in fps games
shame overwatch has so many
>>339438524
>roadhog
roadhog doesnt hardcounter mcree. if mcree gets a flashbang off the roadhog is dead, simple as that because he outdps's the heal. mcree also wins mid range. roadhog can oneshot mcree however which makes it one of the better matchups against mcree
>>339438560
mcree's flashbang and ult is not what i'd call balanced
on his own mcree is unbalanced, with lucio hes a fucking nightmare
>>339438926
That's a legitimate tactic and hardly the problem with McCree.
>>339438883
what would you include to replace the flashbang?
>>339438957
>turning lucio into zen by making him widow bait
uh huh
>>339438983
>mcree's flashbang and ult is not what i'd call balanced
The flashbang is good but balanced when you consider his mobility and evasion.
His ultimate is average at best.
>>339438983
>and ult
His ult takes time to lock on and can unlock
He also glows and moves slowly when he pops it, so you have plenty of time to get to cover
>>339433690
Hes pretty op honestly. The problem is that not only does he have no real counters, but also that he excels at pretty much everything.
His gun is accurate at range and does good damage. At close range, his stun + fan combo melts literally everyone in the game in a second flat. Even at mid range his fan can let him get kills pretty easily.
The only real chance you have playing against him is either snipe him, catch him when his stuff is on cooldown, or be faster than he is with the three chars that might be able to stand against him. Those being another McCree, a Genji or a Roadhog. And thats only because in a fight, those three might be able to stun/one shot him, or reflect his stun back.
>>339439048
not really complaining, it was just really silly to see a McCree go "IT'S HIGH NOON" followed by 5 seconds of nothing 3 times in a row
>>339438978
only stuns are mei's freezegun, reinharts ult and flashbang
not the guy you replied to but i agree mostly. stuns as available as mcree's have no place. reinhart's ult requires charging and doesnt charge up too fast unless your team keeps running into his projectile. mei's stun requires you to be in freeze ray range for 3-4 seconds which is fine because mei is slow and gets fucked over by plenty of other things.
>>339439080
Remove the aoe and have it function like a projectile. It has to make contact to stun but can travel pretty far to compensate.
>>339433812
The counter too him is Zarya using her E on his flashbanged target.
>>339439113
Alternatively: Lucio can't heal himself, only speed himself up.
Fact is: His AoE heal + His decent HP + His great mobility are what make him overpowered. You have to at least nerf one of those.
>>339438969
The only characters that can survive the first fan have such huge hitboxes that there's nothing they can do about the second fan.
>>339437584
this is for competetive
>>339439080
Fan the hammer. Give him some other alt fire.
Make his ult a really good flashbang.
>>339433690
Yes. His kit is just obscenely good. A competent player basically gets a kill every fan. Supposed soft counters do not counter him at all and are mostly more vulnerable.
Anyone who denies McC, Widow, and Lucio are overpowered simply play at a low level.
I can kill Mccree with Zenyatta
Get good
Speaking of counters, is there a list of who counters who? Like Bastion or Torbjorn you want to send an agile character in or snipe them. Widowmaker, genji, tracer, etc. Reinhart you can lob grenades at him or bastion tears the shield apart and so on. Any definitive list or image of these counters?
>>339437552
>He is really good up close
His standard shot works at long range and he can fan non-tanks at medium range.
>Flashbang and Spray can be reflected
>Outside of Roll can just get danced around by Mei and her slow
>Aiming actually required
>ITS HIGH NOON is the gamewide signal or get behind a wall, kill him before he locks on or just throw up a mei wall or zarya shield
He's stong but not OP, its called risk and reward.
He loses to the actually broken characters for braindrad cunts like Mei and Genji
>>339439292
>I killed a McCree while he was dueling someone else
>>339433859
Make Fan the only attack he has. No individual shots. Reload time is a little higher. That way he has to poke and whiffing fans is more severe in constant combat situations.
I don't understand why his flashbang isn't just an actual flashbang that blinds + deafens like flashbangs do in every other game. Blizzard HAD to know that an instant ability that takes away control until you're dead and lets him instakill any character, even tanks, was going to be annoying as fuck.
He's not the best at everything, but he is better than every other hero right now, all things considered. Just make the flashbang blind instead of stun and he'll be fine.
>>339439187
you forgot roadhogs hook, which isnt just a full stun but still does stun people for enough time for a kill
I feel like movement is something blizzard just breezed over in this game for it to be easier to get into, but it really takes so much away to have player control and skilled movement removed
>>339439415
I killed him while he was running to me, he rolled and killed him with headshots
>>339439384
>braindrad cunts like Mei and Genji
But Genji is actually the hardest character in the game to play
>>339439080
A switch between a longer higher damage pistol with no damage drop off but no fan the hammer and the regular pistol with fan the hammer
I think he's a little too good at everything right now.
>Has a near-instant kill in CQC but can still be incredibly frightening at mid to even long range if mccree is consistent with headshots
>>339439384
McCree literally counters Mei you fucking retard.
>>339439384
Mei should never beat McCree in a fight.
Genji has a chance to win, but only if they're faster than the McCree.
>>339439384
>Flashbang and Spray can be reflected
>Flashbang can only be reflected if he throws it directly at genji
If he throws it on the ground in front of him then Genji gets stunned. When you throw your stun at Mei she dies instantly.
The only close range counter McCree has is another McCree
>>339439537
>Pressing e to negate all damage is hard
>Pressing left shift to do retarded damage is hard
>Pressing q and spamming left click and left shift for play of the game is hard
You're retarded
>>339439509
Also junkrats root which i have used to take down a Reinhardt
>>339439637
Roadhog's hook is a decent option as well, though its more a mid ranged counter than anything.
>>339439694
>retarded damage
it's just 50 nigga shit, same as a melee attack. It's just quick and easy to hit.
Most of you are asking for McCree to turn useless with your suggestions. He's overpowered, but not to a degree that he needs gigantic buffs that completely change his character.
>>339439770
Melee does 30 now.
>lvl 30
>a single legendary skin
>for symmetra
does blizzard hate me
>>339439694
There is not a single character in the game that Genji can 1 v 1 in a straight fight other than Bastion. If he doesn't get the drop on someone he auto loses. His stars do shit damage and his reflection is pretty much only useful on people with full auto weapons.
Go play Genji a little then come back and read your post.
>>339435989
>A perfectly accurate 70 damage six shooter
>He can't do shit
Nigga one of the big reasons Mcree is spammed in competitive shit is because he's actually the most damaging offense from range too, you just need really good aim.
The closer you get to the skill ceiling, the more Mcree leaves other offenses behind.
>>339439694
>Pressing left shift to do retarded damage
It does 50 damage and leaves him vulnerable if he doesn't kill with it, what the fuck are you talking about
>>339439770
I've seen people saying melee does 50 damage, but others say it's 30, and that seems about consistent with what I see in-game. Why are people saying melee does 50 damage?
>>339434119
>more than 100% chance
that's not how probability works
>>339439292
>I can get 2 shot by a mccree at any range because he has hitscan and i dont
ftfy
>>339439840
i have like 3 skins so far at lvl 25 and they are the recolors. so no, you are loved.
>>339439140
>>339439162
his ult is so fucking good.
10 seconds. 10 fucking seconds where he threatens space with a OHKO. he clears the map with this thing better than any sniper for 10. fucking. seconds. if the ult doesnt kill itself, it does so indirectly by forcing the entire enemy team to go into hiding where they can get picked apart.
and then the real kicker is that if he can't find a target, he can just cancel the ult for 50% back. that's insane and its literally the only ult that does that. other ults will give you a large amount of charge back if you use it as soon as you die, like for example using reaper's ult and then dying half a second later will put you at 95% or some shit like that. but the difference with those ults is that if you use it and can't find a target, you lose the entire thing. mcree on the other hand, after 10 SECONDS of not finding a suitable target, gets 50% back on cancel.
>The flashbang is good but balanced when you consider his mobility and evasion.
he has the worse mobility out of all the offense characters, but that's not even that bad once you consider that the other offense characters have godlike mobility compared to everyone else. his poor evasion isnt enough for me to consider his flashbang balanced considering he does have an evasive skill(the roll) which also allows him to shit out damage with right clicks.
>>339439983
wow, that's fucking terrible
I know people around your level that have 4 legendaries
>>339439892
I know Genji isn't all that great, but I reflected an across the map Widow headshot and it got my so hard.
He's definitely one of the funnest guys in the game.
his fan needs to be able to do headshots desu
>>339440181
>>339439983
Yikes and wow jelly.
I just got the tribal Roadhog legendary at 26. I'm 29.And I bought 10 boxes. :(
Dont get to close to him, especially if youre alone, which you shouldnt be anyway but I digress. Hes godlike at close quarters but average everywhere elses
>>339440080
I really don't get why it's so strong. I mean 76's kit is great, but he has to be in range, vision, and reload. McCree's ult is just 76's on steroids which is dumb.
>>339440467
That advice is great, but it essentially means that using any flanking harrass chars requires you to double up, a bad idea, or to not go with any. An equally bad idea. It also frees him up to get behind your team and eat your squishies.
>>339439637
Even if Genji reflects the flashbang, unless the Mccree was dumb and used it while Genji was already reflecting, then by the time it's over, the stun will have worn off and Mccree can just fan Genji anyways.
People seem to forget the fan isn't mandatory to instagib people.
How do I get good with winston? Am I supposed to be dealing with objectives, jumping into the enemy backline and wrecking snipers, or protecting my backline from assassins and enemy snipers?
>>339438863
I was talking about the characters that have more hp than the first fan damage, dumbass
