Why doesn't Nintendo make games anymore? I feel like 90% of their current business model is just manufacturing physical products and marketing.
Are they really only going have Zelda WiiU at E3 when the NX is supposed to release 8 months after E3? That's pretty retarded.
It makes them look weak and pathetic
I can't wait for their justification being something like "we didn't want to overshadow Zelda U" or "We didn't want the NX to be overshadowed"
>>339382726
Why do you love making the same threads over and over again?
>>339383210
Here I go!
>>339382726
>Are they really only going have Zelda WiiU at E3 when the NX is supposed to release 8 months after E3? That's pretty retarded.
This has been discussed to death, holy fuck.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE OVERSHADOWED
Is this a hard point to get through your heads?
1. When they reveal their console, they'll reveal it when THEY'RE in the spotlight, not when they're sharing it with Sony, MS, Ubisoft and EA.
2. There hasn't been a console revealed at E3 since the WiiU, and it didn't work out well
3. They've lost a shitload of ground in Japan between the Playstation brand and mobile. Japs don't watch E3. They'll need a strong homebase and will reveal it at an event for the Japs.
Christ.
>>339383210
Let's get rid of /v/ for the rest of the day
>>339382726
That Bayonetta 2 shoot was from two years ago though.
>>339383210
I'M DOING IT
>>339383210
And the shill Nintendo defense force has arrived!
>record time
>>339383210
/vr/ please
>>339383210
>>339383210
only the third post in and hes already copy pasting the canned lines from nintendo central command. within the next 3 posts one of them will talk about E3 dying and how everyone is pulling out, despite there being more conferences than ever before this year.
They struck autism gold with amiibos.
That and since they fucking refuse to get third party support, the WiiU got abandoned already.
>>339382726
they're diversifying their business so they can keep making videogames which will allow you obsessive cocksuckers to keep complaining about how bad they are for another decade, you should be grateful
>>339383475
>THEY DON'T WANT TO BE OVERSHADOWED
Are you suggesting a console announcement at E3 of all places would be overshadowed by a couple of game announcements for competing systems?
If anything they'd be overshadowing everyone else with the "new thing".
>>339384012
>somebody at some point in time wrote this
>>339382726
Funny after how after years of Nintendrones memeing "Muh-tendo will never die" and "they have enough cash to keep making failed products till the next millennium xD" they're finally starting to fold. Good riddance too, Nintendo should've gone the way of Sega many years ago.
>>339384253
It's possible Sony will show off the gaf console, so yeah, it's possible they'd be overshadowed
>90% of their current business model is just manufacturing physical products and marketing.
Jesus christ you people are fucking children.
This has, and always will be the case.
Same goes for Sony and MS.
These people are businessmen, they're fucking job is to sell you something.
Your choice is whether or not to buy, your purchase decisions influence their business choices.
If these things didn't work, they would try something else. If genuine effort to make a good game was all that was needed to sell, or if it was the most effective way, everyone would do it.
But time after time has proven that most people don't give a shit about making everything the best it could be, time after time has proven that marketing is literally all you fucking need.
Time after time has proven that you fucking people will still buy this shit, thus perpetuating their business models.
You want things to change, you have to somehow convince the normie crowd to stop paying up. (which outnumber all of you 10 to 1 and is the reason why they are appealed to and why their shitty, uneducated opinion, matters much more than all of you irrelevant elitists who no one in the world would pander to). Your bitching on a forum most people don't want to touch holds no damn ground.
It's pathetic when you retards swear you know the fate of the industry. "Sony is dead, no games and 4.5k". Grow the fuck up fatties, you people are a ridiculous minority, you're out of your mind if you think your voice reaches further than the next couple of posts under you. No one outside of here think like any of you, no one thinks they're fucking "betrayed" when companies do shit like this, it's just things to spend money on to them.
You fags are so fucking disconnected.
Let me remind you fucking shut ins, that normies outnumber you and their purchase and opinion matters 10 times more than any of yours, and these companies are businesses, ran by business men, not passionate game devs that just want to make you happy.
I refuse to support Nintendo, and pretty much any console, because of the garbage they keep peddling.
>mfw all of the pricey DLC for smash brothers, which was already a 50-60 dollar game
>>339384012
what did he mean by this?
>>339382726
>people actually buy amiibos and other pointless Nintendo shovelware
I don't blame Nintendo for making them but holy shit the average consumer is retarded as fuck if they actually buy such low quality products.
Its like Nintendrones have an addiction to the shitty, and the more generic/shitty it is, the better.
I think my last Nintendo related purchase was SMM in 2015. Nintendo hasn't made anything I wanted lately. And I refuse to buy Fates or TMS because those fucks at NoA keep censoring everything.
>>339384587
It's hilarious.
>Super Nintendo is very powerful, only competition is Sega Genesis
>Sega shoots themselves in the foot, Nintendo wins.
>N64 is powerful, no one buys it
>Gamecube is powerful, no one buys it
>Wii is severely underpowered, but cheaper and relies on a gimmick
>Most sold system of the gen
>DS is weaker than PSP and uses touch screen gimmick
>Blows PSP out the water
>3DS is weaker than Vita, has 3D gimmick
>Blows PSVita out of the water
>Wii U comes out with weak marketing campaign
>No one buys it
>Nintendo continuously changes business model to adapt to these things, increasing their marketing strategy
>Amiibos and whatnot prove to be successful
>WAAAAHHH NINTENDO TURNED TO GREEDY JEWS, THEY'RE DOOMED
Nintendo tries to make a genuine effort to make something powerful for big but conventionally good games, and no one gives a shit. They decide to sell you retards toys, even locking game content behind it.
You call them greedy jews, but you actually fucking buy this shit.
Like, how the fuck don't you people look back and realize how much of this shit is your fault
"And even Nintendo still makes games... but, that's debatable."
What did he mean by this..?
Who /Loadline/ here?
>>339384587
>But time after time has proven that most people don't give a shit about making everything the best it could be, time after time has proven that marketing is literally all you fucking need.
This. The gameboy absolutely murdered the competition despite being underpowered and arguably overpriced. Same with the NES. I still love both systems though. Software also plays into it, with the third parties all leaving post SNES its no wonder Nintendo ended up where they are now.
Because they are pretty much on standby until the Wii U dies.
>>339385141
>Nintendo tries to make a genuine effort to make something powerful for big but conventionally good games
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. All consoles had trash hardware compared to their PC counterparts. Nintendo was just better at hiding it.
>>339382726
the sheer lack of fucks nintendo gives about the industry is endearing, they are like that nut relative of yours that ends up peeing on the carpet at family reunions
>>339385170
Meme aside everyone is fucking aware that Nintendo are less productive than Sega at this point.
They're the new Atari.
>>339384720
It's time for them to move on and accept the glory of the Emperor instead.
>>339385314
>All consoles had trash hardware compared to their PC counterparts.
At the time of the N64's release this wasn't true. By just a few years later it was though.
>>339385170
UNJUST
>Nintendo's business plans are fucktarded
>They censor shit
>But they make the only games worth playing now
>>339382726
TRANSFORMATION!!!
>>339383210
DELETING IT WONT STOP ME
ROLLIIIING
>>339385314
>Let's not get ahead of ourselves. All consoles had trash hardware compared to their PC counterparts. Nintendo was just better at hiding it.
Oh please shut up. Who the fuck doesn't know that PC is more powerful, why even make that statement? Did you feel better about your fatself by restating some obvious as fuck shit like that, did you feel more validated in life?
And hell, PC is great example of why power and being efficiently the best bang for buck, doesn't mean jack shit. When the shitty under powered consoles is still everyone's "go to" when they think of video games.
People want to be told what to buy. If getting the best quality and most options for your dollar was what sold, there would ONLY be PC and maybe Nintendo.
Once again, you retards want the companies to stop jewing you, stop fucking buying, and then you gotta convince the normies to stop to.
Good fucking luck with that, we're talking about people who buy the new fucking iphone EVERY YEAR.
>>339385529
>Nintendo games
>Worth playing
Nintendo consoles started being shit after the Gamecube and Nintendo handhelds started being shit after the DS, nintendo doesn't make good games anymore.
>>339383972
This. Lmao I feel so sorry for people who take video games this seriously.
>>339384253
>If anything they'd be overshadowing everyone else with the "new thing".
And "journalists" don't care.
Nintendo could announce the NX with the official blowjob add-on, and websites would still talk about how fucking great the PS4 is and how Sony is so amazing.
Nintendo can't win. This is why they have Directs to begin with.
>>339385820
>And hell, PC is great example of why power and being efficiently the best bang for buck, doesn't mean jack shit. When the shitty under powered consoles is still everyone's "go to" when they think of video games.
So, are you implying that popularity makes consoles better? Because that's what I'm getting from your post.
>>339385840
Nah they still make good games that are fun and enjoyable to play.
>>339386000
>fun and enjoyable
>>339386000
You could say that about every console, if we're going by "popular opinion" or "metacritic".
>>339386098
No i'm going by personal experience. I play games instead of sitting on /v/ and complaining about the ones I never touched.
As for every console, yes you can say that when companies still do make good games.
>>339386000
>>339386053
>>339386098
Obey the trips.
Reminder that if you don't like Nintendo games you might as well go full normie.
>>339386053
They are, Pepe.
I loved Hyrule Warriors, I think it's very fun to play AND I enjoy playing it. Same with Tropical Freeze.
I'm sorry that you disagree.
>>339386098
>popular opinion
>metacritic
the primary shitposting tools these days.
>>339386053
look, if you can enjoy Undertale or Uncharted(hahaha Uncharted for the love of god!) I can enjoy Mario Kart.
>>339385969
No.
I'm not implying anything is better than anything.
I'm clarifying to you disconnected manchildren that the real world doesn't think like you, not anywhere close.
That the reason for why Nintendo's business model is the way it is now, and why every companies business model revolves around advertising us to death and selling us bullshit, still works and is still going strong.
Because you people, and more importantly, everyone else, buys this shit every time.
Popularity doesn't make consoles better, popularity is why consoles sell better and why people buy it more.
You want good games and a good console with goodness in it?
Fuck off, you morons wont fucking buy it if they do it.
They instead polish a turd and tell you it's exotic chocolate, you fucking idiots and everyone else buys it each and every single time.
And every fucking year you're here screaming "WHY DO THEY KEEP SELLING US SHIT!"
So fuck it, it makes perfect fucking sense. Actually trying to do something honest gets you shut down. It's much much much better to sell an underwhelming product with millions poured into making sure you're convinced it's otherwise.
>>339386000
What have they even put out this year besides a shitty Star Fox reboot?
>>339384253
No.
A bunch of games will be announced and the big question will be "why aren't these games coming to Nintendo's new console?"
>>339386475
Why are you so mad?
>>339386438
>>339386369
>>339386359
>>339386275
>>339386271
>>339386257
See, this is the major flaw in your arguing logic. You say that Undertale and Uncharted are "pure dogshit", but then another anon who presumably shares your viewpoint says that "Mario is objectively good because alot of people like it".
So which is it? Does popularity dictate quality, or does your personal opinion nullify the opinions of others? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
>>339386438
But I only buy things I think are good and pirate everything else. The last Nintendo game I bought was Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate and I haven't given Nintendo a dime since.
>>339383475
That's fucking retarded.
>>339386612
>dodging the question
>>339386621
>defending uncharted
Get a load of this Sonygger queer.
Undertale is pretty good though.
>>339385969
>>339386438
Seriously, are you guys paying attention, are you reading what the fuck is happening here? This thread is here, bitching about Nintendo selling shit like amiibos, and then later there will be another thread about people showing off their fucking Amiibo collection.
The hell is wrong with you people? Do you even know wtf you want?
>>339382726
New zelda amiibos in happy meals
has the actually happened or did plans fall through?
>>339386621
Don't quote me.
>>339384253
Probably because of PS4K rumors.
>>339386475
You say shitty, I say fun.
Also there is Planet Robobot, Fire Emblem Fates (Complain all you want about the story but Conquest's gameplay was fantastic), While they didn't make it themselves, there was Pokken.
Plus there were more game released near the end of 2015 that were really good like Super Mystery Dungeon and Paper Jam along with Xenoblade X
>>339382726
>Bayonetta Playboy promotion is somehow bad
>no one mentions that Nintendo owns the rights to two Mario themed pornos
>>339382726
>they're currently known more for their stupid toys than their consoles
that's bad anon, its literally telling Nintendo to quit video games and just sell toys
>>339386621
Well you could say the pre GameCube Mario games were objectively good because they set industry standards for game design.
>>339386621
Dude where the fuck in my post >>339386257
Do I pull this popularity comparison bullshit?
>>339386735
>>339386954
>>339387062
Once again the cognitive dissonance here is astounding. Please, tell me why you think you have the sole right to determine whether a game is good or not.
>>339387021
The same could be said of Half Life 1 on the PC. But it doesn't stop people hating it here.
>>339382726
>there are people who still haven't realized Nintendo lives off nostalgia and nothing more
open your eyes already, they have been doing for quite some time now what square just did: trying to monetize on FF VII after such long time, just building up more and more nostalgia.
They will NEVER be the same as the NES/SNES/N64 era. The sooner you realize that, the better.
>>339385170
which video?
>>339387116
>defending uncharted
Get a load of this Sonygger queer.
>>339386759
Do people actually care about Amiibo nowadays? Unless a waifu like Isabelle, Callie/Marie or Midna gets announced I think only collectfags buy them.
>>339386621
You're not quoting the same person there m8. You quoted a bunch of different individuals.
So who the hell are you talking to?
I'm pretty sure no one thinks popularity = quality, we're just saying, quality = no money in the vidya world so far, so stop being so surprised.
>>339386698
And you are one in a god damn million anon.
See the problem? I'm like you, i buy it if it's actually worth it, pirate it if it's not. Sure, cool. Guess what?
Our dollar doesn't mean shit.
So if we ask for quality and the normies ask for anything else, then forget about it.
>>339386475
how about judging the entire gen instead of this past year
3ds and wii u's libraries are solid
>>339387116
People on this board generally like HL1 but dislike the games it inspired, much like how they feel about RE4 and Winback.
>>339386963
That'd be like telling Nintendo to go back to making toys like they made for the past 100+ years
>>339386762
There was no way that was ever going to happen. The average amiibo costs way more than what a happy meal toy is worth.
>>339387194
yes people do buy them. They're a stupid success.
So Nintendo will keep making them.
Thank your fellow waifu fags around here.
>>339387170
i wouldnt buy a ps4 and i dont care for uncharted, but how can you compare a game like uncharted 4 to junk shovelware like metroid federation force or star fox zero? its actually laughable that nintendo fans actually think theyre comparable or that they can criticize any other games on the market. their shit is equivalent to the junk xbox 360 games they gave out at burger king.
>>339387116
Please tell me why you think you have the sole right to determine whether a game is bad or not.
As for me, I can determine it because I have played the games for myself, have found them engaging and felt satisfied with the product I spent my money on and I would most likely recommend the product to friends.
3rd party devs don't wanna touch their Ipad console. People are growing tired of the same old franchises they've been rehashing for years. They're just doing this to hold themselves over til they can launch the NX or whatever its going to be called.
>>339387356
>defending uncharted
Get a load of this Sonygger queer.
>>339382726
It's like they're going full circle.
DUDE ZELDA E3
LMAO!!
>>339387170
Now, when did I ever defend Uncharted?
>>339387223
>we're just saying, quality = no money in the vidya world
Yet Splatoon outsold Bloodborne, and I'm pretty sure you'd defend Splatoon as a good game. So you've contradicted yourself yet again.
>>339387329
Seeing the massive stock of animal crossing amiibo tells me no.
I love the autistic butthurt from Amiibo because I know if there was Soniibo, Micromiibo, or Bliizard/Valvemiibo you guys would eat it up.
>>339387232
The 3DS is at the end of its lifespan and compared to every handheld that came before it (talking GB, GBA, DS, PSP) I don't think its library is as good, let alone better than any of them.
>started with cards and toys
>going to end with cards and toys
poetic.
>>339387120
Or even the GC era for that matter atleast they tried to make original games then. Splatoon is the only ambitious game Nintendo has done this gen, the rest is just more of the same to build on nostalgia.
>giving Sonyggers and general shitposters attention
thats why you're not a grandmaster.
>>339387294
Look at your shoes anon. Shoes can go from tens to hundreds of dollars.
Made by gook children for about 5-10 fucking cents.
And you fucking think putting an Amiibo in a happymeal is going too far?
>>339387362
>Please tell me why you think you have the sole right to determine whether a game is bad or not.
Unlike your posts, I can use reasoning and logic to argue my point. I can't claim them as fact, but I can back up what I say with things other than opinions. For example, you can say that you had fun with Uncharted, but I can point out the massive issues in the combat, the FPS drops, the quick time events, the linearity of the maps despite claims of being open ended, and the buggy online.
So my argument has a few more legs to stand on.
>>339387116
>b-but Dude Raider is good guise!!!1
Go back to the Gaf sonyfriend.
>>339387604
Codename STEAM also happened.
>>339386271
I'd rather be a normie than a manchild weeb like you
At least I would get laid unlike any Nintenfag ever :^)
>>339386475
>Kirby game
>Zelda HD
>Pokken
>StarFox Zero
>StarFox Guard
>FE Fates (Europe)
>Pokemon Sun/Moon
So far. Pretty good lineup, really
>>339387714
now compare this to metroid federation force. its actually laughable that you think you can criticize other random games to defend nintendo's burger king games.
>>339387616
Why would Nintendo start practically giving amiibos away when they can easily get 20 times the profit doing what they're already doing?
>>339386728
You're fucking retarded, that logic is sound. What would you do differently considering their goals?
>>339387805
How is that better compared to Sony or MS's lineups?
>>339385229
>"who wants to add an expensive disc system to an expensive console to get games?"
>Sega
Did he know?
>>339382726
Isn't a top left a joke because everyone called Amiibo McDonalds toys?
>>339387805
Yeah its good.... if this was 20 years ago
>>339387905
What does MS have? Quantum Break and Halo Wars?
>>339387819
At least that piece of shit betrayal of a game federation force has better gameplay.
>>339387641
Where the hell did Uncharted come from? I was defending Nintendo's games, not Uncharted. Are you projecting something buddy?
>>339387905
That's all first party, with Nintendo publishing.
Show me MS/Sony first party and we'll compare.
>>339387548
that's not what's being argued, the point is nintendo still makes good games overall
>>339387548
That's because most third parties just gave up making software for handhelds. I'm surprised by how little shovelware they published this Gen compared to the last.
>>339387592
More amiibo cards and playing cards pls.
>>339387612
>not getting some laughs before your morning coffee
>>339387793
>things that never happened
Stay mad chum. Kiekkk.
>>339383475
>Nintendo is so weak now they cna be overshadowed by Last of Us 2 and Watch dogs Sybdicate
Damn....
>>339387984
>>339388014
I could point out their most recent releases like Uncharted 4, the Division, Halo, Quantum break, and etc. Of course I consider them trash, but in all fairness, I consider most console games trash, so it's even across the board.
>>339387984
3rd Party games
Like Sony and PC
Sorry Nintenchild~
>>339388014
>show me first party only
Because if he showed you first+third party games you'd get utterly destroyed right? :^)
>>339387467
>>we're just saying, quality = no money in the vidya world
>Yet Splatoon outsold Bloodborne, and I'm pretty sure you'd defend Splatoon as a good game. So you've contradicted yourself yet again.
Because quality has a universal standard right? Somehow you don't see how one could argue Splatoon is simply less niche, had better marketing, was perhaps sold to a much bigger market, and that the quality of splatoon as a game could be overall better than Bloodborne? Somehow you missed all these variables, but ill take your bait.
Wow, splatoon outsold bloorborne. That one example outshines the hundreds of other instances right?
So then the gamecube and N64 and PSP and Vita, all quality systems, didn't fail to their weaker competitors right? Honest companies who don't try to jew people with DLC and all that extra shit come out on top right? AAA games that have failed us year after year, aren't the most sold, played and praised each fucking year right?
Are you posting from under a god damn rock?
>>339384587
Call me when Sony announces most of their income comes from Nathan Drake mcdonalds toys
>>339388174
That's what the argument was you idiot
You want to changed the goal posts, go for it
>>339388003
I was using a point to demonstrate what I was saying. Let's say you enjoy Mario Maker then. You can say "b-but it's fun!" yet I could easily point out every single one of its flaws compared to a superior program like SMBX or Lunar Magic.
>>339385170
He probably hasn't played the few Nintendo games worth playing.Outside of Splatoon, no one has.
Oh god shut the fuck up and let Nintendo fuck your assholes
I sure love it
>>339388304
Yeah it comes from charging retarded suckers for p2p online instead.
So noble.
>>339388157
MS first party this year
>Quantum Break
>Gears 4 (maybe)
Sony first party
>Uncharted 4
>Last Guardian (maybe)
Impressive
so when is the theme park stuff
>>339388346
>pikmin 4 hasn't been officially announced yet
Please release this soon.
>>339383210
oh boy
>>339388271
>That one example outshines the hundreds of other instances right?
The fact that an exception exists means that your statement isn't as ironclad as you once thought.
>So then the gamecube and N64 and PSP and Vita, all quality systems, didn't fail to their weaker competitors right?
All of them were, sadly, weak and outdated compared to the PC at any given time, which gained in power as the generations went on. So I'd say it was justice happening.
>>339388331
Just because one is superior to the other, it doesn't mean that the other isn't enjoyable and worthwhile to use as well. Plus Mario Maker is used more than Lunar is which allows for a wider array of custom made content by other players.
>>339387826
Because a lot more people buy fucking happy meals anon that's why. To make matters worse (or better for Nintendo and McDonalds), people buy happy meals more than once, even in the same week.
So try to do some simple and vague math. Just roughly estimate and calculate how many people fucking eat McDonalds, and how often do people eat it. In comparison to how many people would buy an Amiibo, fucking ONCE.
Yea, that's a massive disparity don't you think.
>>339388435
And they have the exact same level of quality as Nintendo's IPs, since theyre all console games after all. They share the same hardware issues which filter into the game and make it weaker as a whole.
>>339388369
Lmao nice one Gor! A haha
>>339388485
No clue. I'm so glad they didnt go with Disney for this deal.
>>339388067
>things that never happened
Like you talking to a girl?
Lmao
>>339388346
fire emblem, tropical freeze and uprising sold well
>>339388687
Nice deflecting. Care to address the point?
>>339388331
To be fair the online functionality is the heart of the concept, you dont have to download and import levels, it's just one click away
But it was way fucking overpriced
>>339388687
>baiting this hard for (You)s on a video game board
Why won't Nintendo just make 3rd party console games while keeping their handheld market?
>>339388435
That's not even first party
>>339388594
>it doesn't mean that the other isn't enjoyable
Actually, if it's an inferior product at an inflated price tag, then someone who enjoyed the better product will find it to be atrocious and not fun in the slightest.
>Plus Mario Maker is used more
Which means zero quality control. The levels need to be harder to make, and can't be accessible by children, otherwise you end up with a flood of badly made levels. It's the steam greenlight of level editors.
>>339388807
>consorting with Sony and MS
disgusting
>>339385820
>Pc
>efficient
>best bang for your buck
Objectively wrong.
>>339388807
It obviously doesnt male financial sense to do so or they would have
>its the hourly thread of manchilds defending modern Nintendo and justifying their actions
This is so sad and hilarious at the same time
>>339388752
The point is that they also have other games coming out, if you include remakes and ports and multiplats. But you discard them for some reason, likely because you hate them or think they're not worth mentioning. Why do Nintendo IPs get different treatment?
>Neo-Nintendo is finally dying
>>339388612
But they're only going to want one particular amiibo each time they get a happy meal, in order to make the same amount of money as they do from selling one amiibo in stores they'd need to sell 10-20 happy meals. It's nowhere near as profitable and even worse is that it devalues the amiibos themselves, meaning people will stop buying them in stores if they can just get them whenever they're in rotation in a happy meal for a fraction of the price.
>>339382726
Games take longer to make you sperg.
They're buckling down and biding their resources till the NX, but are currently trying to do a better job at promotional material and advertising. Because if theres one thing that killed wii u for certain, it was the GOD AWFUL social media presence and general advertising.
Zelda will be the only PLAYABLE game at E3 you mongoloid.
>muh first party exclusives
They weren't the best games 20 years ago, they aren't the best games now
Nobody should care about "system sellers" unless you own some Nintendo/Sony stocks.
You don't see King threads where we praise Candy Crush and cream ourselves from how colorful it is and how it's focused on gameplay
>>339388304
Sony is a massive company that does more than vidya, and that's just for starters.
Uncharted, and most of Sony's and MS games are successful for the same reason most games at high budget are successful, REGARDLESS of being good or not.
MARKETING you fucking dolts. You may be able to see past it but let me repeat it again to you sheltered idiots.
YOU ARE NOT MOST PEOPLE!
YOU'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE AVERAGE PERSON.
The average person buys name brand clothes for the sake of name brand, the average normie buys the new iphone each year, the average normie listens to Drake and gets hype when pre-order bonuses and day 1 DLC gets announced.
The average normie, will buy the PS4.5k, will buy Amiibos, will buy the new iphone NEXT year, and he most certainly wont wake up the see the Jew before him.
>>339388714
Not true, I talked to my mom yesterday.
Feel destroyed now? I bet you do.
>>339388739
>tfw Sony pulled a 360 and and are now killing everybody without having any great games
VIDEO GAME CRASH WHEN
>>339388807
Because there's way more money to be made with what they are doing now.
>>339388897
Agreed.
>>339389068
>Sonygaf will finally be supreme on Post-Neo-V
>>339384370
>literally expanding the business
>folding
>>339389070
>implying there won't be happy meal exclusive amiibos
>>339387194
Anyone who would waifu those characters are pretty goddamn pathetic.
>>339389270
They're dying faggot, he's right, cry harder
>>339389164
Terrible post.
>>339389174
>and he most certainly wont wake up the see the Jew before him
What did he mean by this?
>>339385405
>At the time of the N64's release this wasn't true
Then how could my PC run contemporary N64 games with better sound and graphics than the N64?
>>339389435
You people have been saying this for 15 years and Nintendo has killed off more competitors than Sony and Microsoft ever have.
>>339389564
And Nintendo is being killed off by Sony.
>>339389564
That's funny because Sony absolutely shitstomped your garbage Wii U Fisher Price machine. Fucking GTA V made more money than EVERY SINGLE GAME RELEASED ON WII U.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH REKT
>>339388549
>The fact that an exception exists means that your statement isn't as ironclad as you once thought.
It doesn't have to be as ironclad as you'd like it to be for you to admit this.
Trial and error has proven enough already. The success of each company, is more than enough proof. You genuinely could not possibly deny the fact that marketing and popularity have way more to do with why something sells than quality.
>>339388549
>All of them were, sadly, weak and outdated compared to the PC at any given time, which gained in power as the generations went on. So I'd say it was justice happening.
So how the fuck isn't that just proving my point?
PC, being more powerful, to this fucking day isn't near the popularity of consoles. If my statement wasn't true, there would literally be no console because PC is objectively superior.
And yet, here we are still wondering why someone will buy the new Amiibo, will pay for pre-order bonus + Day 1 DLC + Season Pass for content that is already in the game and simply locked away for a couple of months to get you to pay more money for the game.
How the fuck are you ignoring ALL of this for you one, extremely small exception? At this point you're just attached to being right.
You're objectively wrong because reality is literally showing you otherwise, every fucking day.
I don't have to say it, a customer, RIGHT FUCKING NOW, literally just pre-ordered the new CoD master edition shit (80 fucking dollars), JUST to play the CoD4 remaster, which has LESS content than the original game.
Jesus fucking christ!
>>339389676
>Nintendo being killed off
>when they can literally rehash a Zelda game and slash HD on the front, and it'll print money
>and then do it AGAIN a year later
It's saddening how gullible this industry's fans are.
>>339388865
Not at all.
You're paying for a PC, it's not just something that can play vidya games, better than consoles can (when built properly), it's a fucking PC. You can do anything a PC can do, which is almost fucking anything. You're paying for a powerful computer not a gaming console when you buy a PC. That's why it's best bang for buck. You get everything a PC can do plus what a console can do. Amazing.
Do people care enough to simply not buy a console, and instead of getting a cheap pre-built desktop + PS4, just get a powerful fucking PC? Fuck no, most people don't even know it's a fucking option, and it's COOLER to own a fucking xbox or PS4 anon. It's COOLER to own a 3DS or Vita, then a fucking NVidia shield.
>>339383475
>1. When they reveal their console, they'll reveal it when THEY'RE in the spotlight, not when they're sharing it with Sony, MS, Ubisoft and EA.
Sharing a spotlight with other companies at E3 is still a bigger stage with better publicity than anything they could do on their own.
>2. There hasn't been a console revealed at E3 since the WiiU, and it didn't work out well
Not revealed, but they all showed up at the E3 before their launch.
>>339389767
>The success of each company, is more than enough proof.
Except Nintendo themselves disproves this. They've made more money on the industry than any other company combined, even when they didn't sell alot in terms of numbers. The gamecube, for example, made more money than the PS2 despite being outsold by it.
>PC, being more powerful, to this fucking day isn't near the popularity of consoles.
That's what you might think, but games like Starcraft and LOL and DOTA are consistently popular.. Which is sad because they're all garbage. Maybe that's your point? I guess I can concede that you might have a point, albeit one with exceptions.
My main point I'll say here is that Nintendo always made more money than the competition even when being outsold. So quality clearly can equal a payday.
>>339389697
>GTA V
>Sony
get a hold of this sonygger
Nintendo lost touch
The western youth of today doesnt care for Mario and the like. They'd much rather have shit like Minecraft and such that they can play and share with their friends.
Nintendo's primary fanbase in the west is now mostly young adults who grew up with their games for the past 20 or so years. The problem is that Nintendo isnt trying to cater to that crowd their fruitlessly trying to get the younger crowd of today by recatching the lightning in a bottle that was the Wii with tons of stupid gimmicks
>>339382726
Because Nintendo realised that pandering to it's aging playerbase is suicide, so they shifted their focus to the igeneration.
Mobile games, toys and social media. It's that or go full oroboros and join the comic book industry in "shit kids don't do no mo"
>>339389070
Man you don't live in a world where things make sense.
Stop trying to act like every person is logical and makes informed decisions with their money.
And also stop forgetting how ridiculously massive McDonalds is, compared to Nintendo's fucking market.
We're talking Billions compared to Millions you moron.
Kids do not stop getting happy meals because they already got the toy it brings. Moms don't stop buying happymeals for their kids because of this.
Some people will just get it for the food, some will get it for the toy, regardless of which, one kid will likely get at least 2 or 3 happy meals a month, and there's a lot of fucking kids.
A mario Amiibo in any given gamestop might be bought 2 or 3 times a day.
A happy meal in any given McDonalds will can be bought 50-100 times a fucking day anon.
>>339390186
Cute, pcuck, real cute. But here's the part you're leaving out:
Pc games are never optimized for one universal system, as such, they will never run optimally, if they run at all.
And since Pkeks dont buy games, devs no longer give 2 shits about them and dont bother developing for PC, at best they throw them a piss poor pity port that has multitudes of issues.
>>339387892
seconded, if your gonna reveal a console make damn sure your the talk of the town for the next month!
>>339387120
Thats weird cause my favorite games of the last couple of years have been Wonderful 101, Splatoon, Codename Steam and Kid Icarus Uprising, which might as well be a brand new IP at this point.
But yeah, its the nostalgia, not the good games.
>>339390186
Well yeah, the 3DS and Vita have some good games, unlike the Shield.
Same deal with the PC, really. Every worthwhile PC game can be played on a 10 year old toaster.
>>339389697
Just like PS2 stomped all over gamecube, and then next year the Wii, a fucking gimp of a system, blew both sony and MS in the god damn dust.
An almost embarrassing defeat.
Not to mention Handhelds. You guys don't like that being brought up, do you?
>>339388346
TF, KIU, Pikmin 3, FE and Splatoon all sold over 1 million copies.
Damn shame about Steam and 101 though
>>339390568
i think everyone cares about mario. they just dont want to be forced to buy some fucking outdated machine with a gimmick controller to play it. i dont know how nintendo doesnt get this.
>>339390796
And those games have the same quality as your average Sony/MS IP. So you can surely see why people buy into the ps4 and Xbox.
>>339390910
PSP outsold the 3DS. Handhelds are dying, just like Nintendo.
>>339390708
You can keep your opinion but I don't think the increased amount they'll sell will overcome the severe reduction in profit they'll take on each sold amiibo.
Not to mention that Nintendo would have to order/produce a fuckload more amiibos to cover it which as they've shown before they aren't willing to do.
>>339391030
But I already have a PS4 and nothing on it even comes close to the quality of Tropical Freeze, Sm4sh, MK8, Bayo 2, Wonderful 101 or Splatoon.
90% of the time I use it as my multimedia machine
>>339391462
>But I already have a PS4 and nothing on it even comes close to the quality of Tropical Freeze, Sm4sh, MK8, Bayo 2, Wonderful 101 or Splatoon.
Is this an opinion, or can you back it up with fact?
>>339390238
>Except Nintendo themselves disproves this. They've made more money on the industry than any other company combined, even when they didn't sell alot in terms of numbers. The gamecube, for example, made more money than the PS2 despite being outsold by it.
I don't believe that statement about the PS2, considering just how huge the margin was. But even if it was true, we're not talking about how much profit each company made. That is irrelevant, we're strictly talking about success in numbers. How many people bought the item and continue to buy. And how that correlates to a quality product. In which time has proven, marketing is much more relevant.
And tons, tons more people bought a PS2, the PS2 stayed alive for longer than any of it's competition. It had more games, more players and lived the longest, and yet, it was the weakest of it's gen.
Then next gen, the weakest console once again had triumphed, and by a mile.
>>339390238
>That's what you might think, but games like Starcraft and LOL and DOTA are consistently popular.
That's fine. Doesn't come close to the consoles player base. Those games you mentioned are huge, and are a huge thing as a whole. They're bigger than just games, when people all over the world play them professionally for large amounts of money.
It's amazing, isn't it. And yet go outside and ask a normie if he's heard of any of these games. Responses will be
>Never heard of it
>heard of it but never played
>Played, but didn't like it or sucked
>Don't even have a PC
PC is the last gaming medium I got into, i had nothing but consoles throughout my whole life until this point. I love PC and believe it to be much better, and yet even myself, i am part of the evidence. I gave the console jews more money than I ever did to PC my whole life, just from ignorance.
>>339391906
>How many people bought the item and continue to buy.
In all fairness, these numbers are also skewed because of high failure rates so people ended up getting new ones, either for free, or for a price. Sony and MS counted the numbers as sales regardless. Just google RROD and PS2 malfunctions for the numbers.
>>339390726
I don't get what you're saying?
That PC is actually not the better option, despite everything else a PC can do?
I'm not saying you're objectively wrong, I agree with the points you stated though I still prefer PC.
Point is, this medium has the highest power and the most accessory, and it's the most ignored.
>>339387356
Sneak-king was awesome. Sneaking and burgers?!
>>339392214
Cute, irrelevant, but cute.
Power doesnt mean anything when devs are unable/unwilling to use it. Why would a dev waste time and money on using all that power when only 5% can actually run the game on those settings?
Pc is a dogshit platform for gaming BECAUSE it isnt a universal platform.
>>339392156
Just more proof on my end.
So despite a failure rate, despite their item fucking breaking on them, they don't buy an alternative they buy it AGAIN?
Did people switch the console with the least failure rate immediately? Did future buyers use that foresight to stop themselves from making that mistake.
No, not at all.
Did people stop buying PS3s when it literally had no fucking game? Nope
Ps4? Nope.
Ps4.5k, still no games? Will this stop them? Nope.
Nintendo NX comes out and it's flat out jew magic bullshit, will this stop them? No.
And lets say Microsoft out of the fucking blue comes out with the best quality system and it has the least jew Magic and tons of content. Will sony, PC and nintendo fags switch to MS, and support the honest company? Nope, not even hypothetically.
And they wont stop any time soon.
>>339392629
That's absolutely true. But stop with the edgelord "cute" bullshit nigga, you're on a fucking forum.
>>339392629
>people shouldn't be allowed to choose their hardware
>they have to be locked behind 30 year old archaic systems
>>339385141
>N64 is powerful, no one buys it
I don't know about you, but everyone on my block had an N64--I guess it really depends on the locale, but where it lived it was a prodiminantly Nintendo area
>Gamecube is powerful, no one buys it
Same with Gaemcube, albeit people bought it namely to supplement whatever other system they might have, especially when they were seeling for $100
>Wii is severely underpowered, but cheaper and relies on a gimmick
>Most sold system of the gen
It's because they marketed as a 'family-oriented system', so literally grandmas were buying this shit up
>DS is weaker than PSP and uses touch screen gimmick
>Blows PSP out the water
This baffles me beyond comprehension, other than the fact that Sony was adamant about their propreitary memery cards
>3DS is weaker than Vita, has 3D gimmick
>Blows PSVita out of the water
See PSP
>Wii U comes out with weak marketing campaign
>No one buys it
>Nintendo continuously changes business model to adapt to these things, increasing their marketing strategy
>Amiibos and whatnot prove to be successful
>WAAAAHHH NINTENDO TURNED TO GREEDY JEWS, THEY'RE DOOMED
That's debatable--it could very well end up like the Wii, where it has little to no lasting effect once people get bored of the initial 'wow-factor', ie. gimmick
I mean, for fucks sake, the WiiU is already dead
>>339392879
>Things that were never said in the post
Are you legit retarded? Oh wait, pcuck. nvm.
>>339391605
Everything on /v/ is opinions my man
>>339392868
I guess the industry is full of retards. So for that much, we can agree.
Lel, now Nintendo is going to be making movies and Miyamoto is actually going to be working on the movies.
Nintendos is literally done making games.
>>339393385
>this thread is still up
>summerfags don't understand that everybody here is just pretending to be retarded
>>339392885
>I don't know about you, but everyone on my block had an N64
M8, this isn't based on experience, this is measurable. Look up the stats yourself, N64 sold much much less.
>>339392885
>Same with Gaemcube, albeit people bought it namely to supplement whatever other system they might have, especially when they were seeling for $100
Same thing, who cares if everyone you knew had one, overall, the gamecube sold the least.
>>339392885
>It's because they marketed as a 'family-oriented system', so literally grandmas were buying this shit up
Yes, proving my point, marketing is what works, being the most quality system means jack shit.
And the rest of your post is rather agreeable and doesn't change the point I made since my very first post.
People continue to buy this shit because it's marketed well. Nintendo and the rest are businessmen who's job is to sell you a product.
They could make quality products, but when they did, it didn't sell. This is fact.
When they switched to gimpier hardware with better marketing, their products sold.
Amiibo and DLC also continue to prove profitable, they are fucked up business strategies, that work because people buy them.
And as long as people keep buying them, there's literally no reason for any of these companies to stop doing this.
You want quality? Don't support bad quality, only buy good quality.
The problem? The exact opposite is almost always the case.
That's all I wanted to make clear to you people when you make threads like this.
It's no ones fault but the people who buy. You say they are betraying you, but the customers have always betrayed them when they tried to make something good.
You should have bought the gamecube, you should have bought the N64, you should NOT have bought the wii, the DS or the 3DS or Amiibos, or any of the DLC they put out and yet you and all the normies did. And you're fucking here wondering why they're doing this?
>>339393768
In all fairness, I'm doing what I can to support good business practices.
I supported every good console up until the Wii. Then I moved to PC and haven't looked back since. My GOTY every year, as a result, has since been on the PC, or been a multiplat.
>>339389697
And Tetris makes more money than any game ever made. Your point? GTAV isn't even a Sony game.
Wii Sports sold more copies than GTAV.
>>339393768
But here's the thing
Nintendo could market and sell an interactive dildo.....
>Collectors would buy it up
>Kids would buy it up because it was originally marketed for them
>Nostalgia-fags would buy it up, because they crave the same feeling they got when they bought their first dildo
But then majority of market wouldn't buy it because Sony's and Microsoft's dildos are bigger and have ridges for his-and-her-pleasure
>>339384720
My excuse, is that, where are you going to find a Captain Falcon figurine to display? Nintendo doesn't make a lot of decorative merchandise, at least that I can find.
>>339394702
If you want that, fine. But don't lock content behind it, forcing me to buy it just to get it.
I'm already paying 60 bucks for your product, I'd appreciate you not hacking up the product further just for an extra buck.
Is anyone else actually pleased with Nintendo right now? I've been a Nintendo fan since the NES era, and I have to say, I think the Wii U is the best home console since the NES and SNES. It's also the only gen 8 console with good exclusives. Sony and Microsoft rely on multiplats that are better on PC; just idiots buying inferior versions of the same games, for a higher price. Their business models rely almost exclusively on the ignorance of their consumers.
>>339395126
>exclusives
>higher price
people literally only buy consoles because its an inexpensive way to be able to play all the games with decent graphics, plus do other tasks for your tv like be a smart device and blu-ray player, netflix, etc.
no one wants to buy an outdated nintendo console just to play outdated games like star fox zero with a gimmick controller, and the hardware be capable of nothing else.
>>339395126
>It's also the only gen 8 console with good exclusives.
>Sony and Microsoft rely on multiplats
These are a contradiction to me, since everything on the WiiU is just a weaker version of something you can find on the PC. For example, Mario Maker is just a weaker Lunar Magic, but it doesn't prevent children from spamming their terribly made levels everywhere, so it makes me despise ever even touching the online to find a level to play.
Or how about Bayonetta, which is just a poor man's DMC with quick time events and cinematics everywhere?
How about Splatoon, which is a console shooter that doesn't use KBM? I despise games like that.
>>339394029
Good call anon, but it's so unfortunate how your effort here doesn't matter whatsoever.
>>339394531
You can't use a dildo for this at all. It does not work. The absolute only reason to buy a dildo it's for its function. The better it functions the more it will sell. No matter how pretty you can make a dildo look, if it doesn't make bitches cum it's useless unless you're some type of Dildo collector. There's also soooooo many dildo variations... Popularity wouldn't sell one because in order for one to be popular it has to work. Video games and movies work more like clothes in which branding it and selling it matters more than it's actual function. And "fun" and what makes a good game is so subjective and nuanced.
We all say CoD is shit but that is genuinely not the opinion of the masses, unlike the shitty dildo, where if it doesn't feel good it outright is useless, people play shitty games and watch shitty movies and can still say it's amazing/the best thing ever because of something superficial about it, like KUURAAAZY quick time events is enough to sell a game.
The Dildo can be ugly as fuck, if it hits the spot better than any other dildo, it's the best dildo and that's that. A dildo is something people would only pay for based on quality. Video games are bought for many other reasons and is subjective enough for someone to like a bad game.
>>339394531
>majority of market wouldn't buy it
Is that why the 3DS sells so well, and amiibos, and all the other stuff Nintendo pumps out?
>>339395420
>Bayonetta is a poor man's DLC
Not when DMC hasn't had a good game in over a decade. DMC4 is still half a game.
>>339395126
>Best home console
>You can only use one main controller while everyone else has to use a Wiimote
>Doesn't have an internal HDD for digital storage
>Still uses an asinine method of account management where digital games are tied to the physical system
Takes me a mere couple of seconds to set up a PS4
Takes me 5 minutes to set up the WiiU, including position the sensor bar and the charger for the controller
Nevermind that if I want to hard wire it, I have to buy an aftermarket adapter
Or if I want to play digital games, I have to hook up an external hard drive
Sorry to nitpick, but the WiiU was really underwhelming for me.
>>339395401
People buy games consoles to play games. All the other shit is window dressing that you can do on your phone or PC. Even the biggest plebs have Roku/AppleTV/Chromecast or smart tvs.
Nobody would buy a 599 US DOLLAR console when the best Roku costs $60.
>>339395534
DMC4 at least isn't held back by questionable console limitations, including the horrible limitations of console controllers. It's not my favorite game, but at least it tries with better hardware.
>>339394883
(not him) Has anything good ever been locked behind an amiibo? I can't think of a single instance of this. It's always just something really small and insignificant, or a pay-to-win bullshit kind of thing.
I even heard one guy on /v/ a while back, complaining that "entire characters" (literally used those words) were locked behind amiibos in Mario Maker. He conveniently omitted the fact that these characters can be unlocked in the game, without the amiibos, and he also forgot to mention that these are just reskins and don't actually function differently. Calling them "entire characters" made it seem like American Mario 2 style different characters, where they are actually just a different sprite. This is how over dramatic anti-amiibo people can be.
>>339395457
Ill give a good personal example to this entire thing.
I had a PS4 and fairly modern PC.
I bought DS3 for PS4, despite wanting it for PC very badly. Why? Because my friend only has a PS4 and it would have been the only way have some Jolly Cooperation with a friend that I actually knew.
So Sony got my fucking money just because of a friend, if it was up to me only i would have bought it for PC and enjoyed the game running at it's best.
Despite PC having been the better option for me, I chose the shittier option for a different reason. And the reason my friend has PS4 and not PC as well, is because he never even saw it as an option and now that he does understand it, he does not have the money nor the interest in buying one.
Another undeserved point for Sony, no grounding in quality necessary.
>>339382726
Even the AVGN threw a jab at them in his last review, and that man is a Ninty fanboy.
The amount of "BUT MICROSOFT!" and "BUT SONY!" in this thread is hilarious. Stay mad, NIDF.
>>339395784
>Has anything good ever been locked behind an amiibo?
An entire game mode for Mario Party, for instance. Which I'm pretty sure people said they wouldn't do. It was supposed to just be cosmetic stuff, remember?
>he also forgot to mention that these are just reskins and don't actually function differently
In fairness, that's what makes Mario Maker such a garbage level editor. Compare it to, say, SMBX, where every character you play is radically different and even changes the game around you. And the amiibos having the character reskins is bad in a different way. It's kind of like the loot crates in overwatch, wherein you're giving people the option to skip the grind for the items, when that grind shouldn't exist in the first place and it's just encouraging people to skip parts of the game with real money.
>>339385141
>Nintendo tries to make a genuine effort to make something powerful for big but conventionally good games, and no one gives a shit.
A problem with games in general - the younger audience just isn't interested in playing these kinds of games, and even if they are, they'd far prefer to watch someone else play it for the social aspect of it and spout memes later.
So that's where we're at.
Eh, well when Treehouse usually does Treehouse live streams, there's some little surprises here and there (they announced Smash Bros 3DS XL and NES 3DS XL in one livestream).
Maybe there'll be a surprise VC announcement like Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tricks for Wii U DS VC.
If we're talking software for Wii U, part of me thinks they're doing all they can to gather support for their NX platform since 3rd parties abandoning the platform was definitely one of the major factors (besides the poor naming sense) for the core gamer audience not choosing their platform.
>>339395672
You play can play Bayonetta 2 on a CCP.
Oh also, Bayonetta 1 is also on the 360 and PS3. The same consoles as DMC4.
>>339396029
>An entire game mode
Nope, they were cut down levels with literally nothing in them and no exclusive mini games or anything. Literally nothing new.
>>339396185
He's a mustard that probably plays DMC4 on keyboard like a retard, or using a controller like a hypocrite.
>>339396185
Can I play it with a KBM though? And yes, before you ask, I enjoy using KBM. that's why.
>>339396349
When I do use controllers on PC, I want the option to use any one that I wish. I don't want to be limited by Sony's facebookshock 4, or Nintendo's inferior Xbox 360 controller knockoffs.
>>339396275
For the price they asked, that's still unacceptable.
>>339395784
One of Link's weapons in Hyrule Warriors, the Spinner is locked by amiibo.
It's a pretty fun weapon to use too.
>>339395658
no. people buy hardware devices that are a good value and will give them as much entertainment for the money. people will get a shit ton more value out of a $350 ps4 with modern games from various publishers, various apps, netflix, blu-ray, etc, compared to the value they will get from a $300 wiiu with star fox zero and nintendo land.
Wii U's dead bro, they're done making games for it
>>339396516
>KBM for character-based action games
You are a SUPER niche audience, buddy.
>>339396627
Your average KBM is far better designed than a console controller, which will usually break after a few minutes of button mashing. So it has its own advantages, all things considered.
2016 is the unambiguous worst they've ever looked. As of now, it seems like they just completely lost the plot. Whether it's due to legitimate incompetence or a company who've grown disillusioned or arguably disdainful of the industry's direction I don't know.
They're exhausting and I will likely never buy another product from them.
>>339396516
>For the price they asked
For what price? A $12 amiibo that you probably already have at least one of? You're not missing out on anything. Weren't you literally just complaining that too much content was locked behind the amiibos anyway? Which is it?
>>339383826
>>339387147
Paperboy
>>339396774
>For what price?
Considering that Mario Party 10 is about 60 dollars with tax factored in, and they're still locking content behind a 12 dollar paywall.
>that you already probably have at least one of
Nope. I dont buy into that trash. And I don't plan to.
>Weren't you literally just complaining that too much content was locked behind the amiibos anyway
Even one single byte of data being locked in them is too much. Especially for the price they asked from me.
>>339396727
do you buy madcatz or something lol
>>339396727
>Your average KBM is far better designed than a console controller
For specific genres of games maybe.
DMC games and likely most character action games were not created with KBM in mind and DMC itself was not on PC platform until the 3rd iteration.
>>339397012
>DMC games and likely most character action games were not created with KBM in mind
Neither were shooters, until Quake and Unreal Tournament came around.
>>339396975
MP10 came with an amiibo.
>>339397185
Only certain editions. Down in Straya we don't get that privilege.
>>339395420
>These are a contradiction to me, since everything on the WiiU is just a weaker version of something you can find on the PC
As someone who plays on PC and Wii U about equally, I have to say the Wii U games stand up to PC games, and in some instances are better. I'd play Splatoon over CS:GO any day. I also really like platformers, and while there are good ones on PC, Nintendo will always have some of the greatest platformers on their consoles.
>For example, Mario Maker is just a weaker Lunar Magic
It's not "weaker", it's easier to use, and has options that Lunar Magic doesn't. Of course, the same can be said about Lunar Magic, so I'd describe them as "different", not one better than the other. Also, the level quality improves every single day. When levels are skipped frequently, eventually they get taken out of the queue for 100 Mario modes. I have played through 100 Mario on varying levels of difficulty quite a lot lately, and I've found plenty of good levels.
>How about Splatoon, which is a console shooter that doesn't use KBM? I despise games like that.
I am the biggest purist when it comes to KBM over controller for shooters, but Splatoon's controls work extremely well. I have trouble aiming with an analog stick, I find it clunky and awkward, but if you use the analog sticks to do 80% of your aiming, then fine tune your aim with the motion controls, it is actually very intuitive and works well as far as I'm concerned. It didn't even take much getting used to, in my experience.
>>339396975
>Mario Party 10 is about 60 dollars
And you get plenty of content for that $60 considering it's a party game with 75 minigames. There is literally nothing locked behind a $12 paywall. You play the same damn minigames on a stripped down board, the only difference is that you're playing as your amiibo.
You just sound like you want to be mad over nothing.
>>339397129
Did FPS exist on console before PC though...?
Also, I see you're conveniently forgetting Doom and Wolfenstein 3D.
Though those used pure Keyboard rather than KBM.
In other words, KBM is not the most optimal setup for all genres.
>>339397129
>Neither were shooters
Literally the first FPS was on PC. Are you retarded?
Why would you buy Nintendo stuff anyway?
Are you 8 or something?
>>339397258
>I'd play Splatoon over CS:GO any day
I can't agree in the slightest. Even though I dislike CS:Go, I will never consider gyro controls or classic controls to be better than KBM. It's a fact I've proven with 15+ years of being on my PC, and it hasn't been challenged since.
>it's easier to use,
That's what makes it so bad. It can't be easy to use, or it just lets in the children who don't care about quality. Again, when you let every 10 year old brat make a level, then you're swimming in a sea of poorly designed levels. And like I posted above, you can't do anything original or risky especially in regards to IPs or music or items. You can't use a soundtrack from a sony game, for example, or assets from Halo, or something from Half Life. Something you can do in Lunar Magic.
>but Splatoon's controls work extremely well.
Stopped reading there, I'm afraid. 15 years of FPS's on the PC proves the KBM to be better.
>>339397129
what the fuck
>>339397326
>And you get plenty of content for that $60 considering it's a party game with 75 minigames
That's it? I consider that to be quite lackluster. I can play a modded garry's mod server with better amounts of minigames, and for free to boot.
>>339397417
see>>339397394
Doom and Wolfenstein didn't utilize the mouse part of KBM to its absolute fullest. So it was a gradual process.
>>339397669
Ok, so nothing is stopping you from doing that. So why even care about content in a game that you wouldn't buy otherwise anyway?
GMod is a 12 year old game and the gameplay is nothing like a Mario Party game. And isn't free for that matter.
You may as well throw out all your games and play GMod since you can make anything you want to play, for free.
>>339397669
>play a modded garry's mod server
Confirmed for roleplaying underageb&!
'Outta here!
>>339394883
Agreed.
>>339398007
>So why even care about content in a game that you wouldn't buy otherwise anyway?
Because it's my right as a paying customer to criticize a product and the flaws I find within it?
It wouldn't be fair for you to have to buy a PS4 and the latest copy of Uncharted to be able to judge it, would it?
>>339397751
The Keyboard was still superior for FPS games though because you could rotate and strife in a keyboard, controllers lacked analog sticks at the time thus making movement in 1st person perspective very clunky. Also, only PC had the power to run those games at a playable resolution and framerate at the time.
>>339398268
>paying customer
Except you wouldn't buy it no matter what. This is like me going off and complaining about breast pumps when I don't have tits.
I own all three other Uncharted games, so I can provide an opinion since I am a paying customer.
>>339398268
>It wouldn't be fair for you to have to buy a PS4 and the latest copy of Uncharted to be able to judge it, would it?
But how else am I going to assess the quality of a video game? By watching Youtube videos? That's simply not good enough
>>339398496
>Except you wouldn't buy it no matter what.
That's not the best argument, since you could say the same about me circa 2001, where i swore that I wouldn't get a PC because it was too complicated. Flash forward a few years later, I'm now fully immersed in PC gaming, with multiple games on GOG, desura, Steam, and some straight from the dev websites. If your product is good, then I'll gladly buy it despite criticisms, but it's gotta prove itself first and prove my critique wrong, or at least offer me an incentive to offer a pass on the flaws that I see. Is that not fair?
>>339398672
>But how else am I going to assess the quality of a video game?
If the game is nothing more than a cinematic movie, or reliant on user content, or is beyond simplistic, then a youtube video will go quite a ways into giving you pointers on how to judge it. When I judge a game, I use a combination of directs, trailers, insider videos, walkthroughs, and for those other cases, redbox to play it myself. I put alot of research effort into a game if I'm interested, and if it doesn't fit my standards, I judge it accordingly.
