What are things TF2 does better than Overwatch?
Have women.
>>339342321
Be actually fun and competitive.
Plus game modes beyond shooting/stabbing/burning/blowing up each other like surfing or parkour mods.
character design, overall style
It has a spy class
>>339342321
Rocket Jump
Pace of a game
Customization
Not depend on waifus to keep afloat (though there could be an argument made regarding Ms.Pauling)
>>339342321
Gameplay.
have an actual theme to characters and maps instead of just random ethnicities and locations with sci-fi body parts
Character personality, movement, higher individual skill ceiling.
Not being a generic garbage.
Unique style.
Not made my blizzard.
And I hate TF2.
Seriously, how do people fall for this shit again and again. If you see the name blizzard on it just fucking avoid.
>>339342321
doesnt rely on waifu-bait and niggers
actually having a low skill floor and high skill ceiling at the same time
>>339342484
>Not depend on waifus to keep afloat
The only thing keeping TF2 afloat are jews who genuinely believe their pixels will allow them to retire once they sell them all.
>>339342321
TF2 is more balanced and each character has more personality.
Overwatch characters are 1 caricatures while TF2 characters are 2 dimensional cartoons.
>>339342606
Server - Client Performance
>>339342606
>niggers
TF2 < Overwatch<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Xbox 360 TF2
having 5 capture point maps.seriously if overwatch added a game mode like that id enjoy it more instead of the 5 minute games we get
>>339342612
Technically they can.
Burning TC is pretty expensive.
But then there's a ton of people who genuinely don't care about that stuff, as well as a ton of people who just like customization. So you might say those are the ones keeping it afloat.As well as people who like to have fun.
Community servers
Custom maps
Game modes
>>339342321
More character interactions.
There's just too many memorable voice lines between classes dominating other classes in my head for me to forget TF2.
>>339342698
I don't understand. This black character feels genuine. It looks like a character that happens to be a black guy.
Meanwhile all Overwatch characters "of color" feel forced and shoved. Like they decided to make it black/poo in the loo because muh diversity.
team size
seriously this 5v5 wannabe esports garbage needs to stop
how can I rek people when there's only 5 people max to be rekt at any given time?
>>339342851
It feels genuine because a Black Scotsman is absolutely absurd.
>>339342321
Being weapon centric instead of hotbar centric
Having more gameplay options per class.
Having more maps
Having more game modes
Having more customization (although Overwatch skins are often more thorough)
Having a coop mode
>>339342321
I never got the idea of playing as "a Reinhardt" or "a Mei." They're presented as unique individuals, with their own personalities and relationships to the other characters. Why would Tracer fight Winston? Or team up with Widowmaker?
In TF2, these kinds of characters work better. I can believe that there's several pyros, several spies, several medics. They're mercenaries, and none of them has a personality where any personal tie would override a cash reward. Even though you have things like Medic and Heavy seeming a bit buddy-buddy in "Meet the Medic," I doubt either would hesitate to kill the other if enough money was on the table.
>>339342851
>Black Scotsman
>genuine
americans
Trading is both fun and cancer
>>339342851
That's because this one isn't too "overly clean" like a lot of black characters are. You know, the ones that are way too cleaned up to make sure they don't offend anyone.
Demo is a scottish drunken cyclops who blows up people for a living and says shit like "IF I WASN'T A MAN I WUSSA KISS YE"
The TF2 team held no bars when making him.
>>339343068
well, he's a Scotsman who happens to be black
TF2 characters are way better written
>>339342379
he said better
>>339342920
its 6 ya retard
>>339342321
more competitive(comparably)
higher skill ceilings
balanced
design is more consistent overall(prior to the latest updates, its all over the place now)
likable characters
TF2 beats out Overwatch in:
>Character personalities
>Classes are much more distinct, Overwatch Silhouettes are pretty confusing, Skins make it worse.
>Team Identification, Team Colors much easier to read than a colored Name
>World Building
>Humor
>Customization
>Server Choices, selection, Mods
>You can actually select the map you want to play
>Game Modes
>Overall Skill Ceilings
Overwatch beats out TF2 In:
>Overall Polish
>Waifus
>Better Matchmaking; No Auto Balance shit
>No Random Crits
>More Likely to be updated
Both games are pretty unbalanced, and both have pretty cancerous shit. But currently I'd say TF2 is the better game
>>339342698
>>339342731
>all blacks are niggers
>>339343068
There's no true Scotsman
>>339342321
Character lines are WAY more detailed. Sometimes you can hear banter in OW at the start of each match but for somebody like the Spy you can hear multiple insults for each and every domination.
>>339343127
It's like adding a Japanese character to a game and they're black because there's a couple black guys in Japan.
>>339342920
This, Overwatch would be way better with 12 players max.
I don't think you can even do that with custom games, Blizz is shit yet again.
>>339343136
same shit
>>339342427
You have to have autism to actually want to play those mods.
>>339342427
>like surfing or parkour mods
TF2cucks, everyone
>>339343161
Anon, Winston was just born like this
>>339343195
Nationality does not equal ethnicity.
>>339342731
>he doesn't place the stickies in the cones
>>339342484
>Rocket Jump
Phara has a jump and Junkrat can jump
>Pace of a game
Fucking what
That depends on how good the teams are
>Customization
Nobody likes your dress-up game, cunt
>>339342957
Odd, but not "absolutely absurd."
>>339343152
Absolutely this
Overwatch heroes are very Quantity over Quality.
Whats the point of D.va when theres Winston
Whats the point of Hanzo when theres Widowmaker
Whats the point Zenyatta when theres Lucio
I think there are a lot of cases of Heroes being flat out better than another.
>>339343314
funny because overwatch is shaping up to be more of a dress-up game than TF2
>>339343034
>Having more gameplay options per class.
What is the difference between a sniper with a gun and a bow, and a two snipers with either a gun or bow?
>Having more maps
>Having more game modes
>Having a coop mode
All these took years for TF2 to get
>>339343161
oh wait, the "blacks" are the niggers you like, right? Fuck off, retard.
>>339342321
Exist ten years earlier
>>339343442
Nah, niggers are just uncivilized blacks famalam
>>339343314
>Phara has a jump and Junkrat can jump
Not as satisfying as consecutive rocket jumps
>How good the teams are
Even with a shit team, TF2 always feels fast paced. Even with the F2P gibus engi slapping the wall.
>Nobody likes your dress-up game,cunt
There's skins in Overwatch.
Getting angry won't do much for you, calm down.
>>339342321
Tf2 x overwatch crossover when?
>>339343314
>Nobody likes your dress-up game, cunt
Pretty sure he's talking about the fuck load of alt weapons TF2 has. Which Overwatch has literally none.
>>339343314
>what are findable/unlockable weapons
>>339343524
Never
>>339342760
>>339342842
>>339342920
All this.
I do like Overwatch. But if it wants longevity, it's going to need to introduce more game modes, not just more maps for the same 3 modes we have now. And one of the best ways to do that is allowing community servers to do what they want.
Plus a lot of characters would really benefit from 5-point maps. Gives you a lot more options in play and naturally allows for much larger maps.
>>339343152
well damn son, saves me the trouble of typing all that.
>>339343283
Shhhh...
Hes done too much thinking today already
>>339343504
>Rocket and Sticky Jump shit
Is it me or is there like so much fucking air resistance in OW, horizontal movement is really a chore for Pharah
>>339343438
>What is the difference between a sniper with a gun and a bow
Pretty big difference, honestly. Or are you just equating all servers as full of snipers because all you play on are Valve pubs? Either way, you're cherry picking pretty hard.
>All these took years for TF2 to get
So what? Who said the games have to compete on fair terms? OP asked a question. This is how the games are, right now, at this moment.
>>339343314
>pressing shift and hovering in the air
>any way comparable to hours spent mastering trajectory of rocket jumps with syncs, pogos air strafes and ammo management.
>>339343152
It's only a matter of time
>>339342321
>much more skill-based
>more reliance on aim and positioning than knowing when to activate an ability
>much more freedom of movement,
>no autoaiming weapons or abilities besides sentry
>8 white males and 1 scot have more personality than an ensemble of 21 waifus, robots, a cowboy, gorilla, and edgelord.
>doesn't take itself seriously
>no cringeworthy dialogue. (some are ok but dva, tracer, and reaper are godawfully cheesy. seriously someone at blizzard should be fired)
I'm honestly happy a company finally managed to successfully rip off tf2. now valve might finally get off their asses and fix this game.
>>339343659
You have much less air control in OW than TF2 even with regular jumps
>>339343438
because with Sniper you have options. He has plenty of weapons that offer different playstyles, same with any class.
In Overwatch you have to pick an entirely different character just to switch to that bow and you only have the bow
>>339342321
Everything except
Melee
Crits (which need to fuck off)
Paywall filter
Support being fun to play
>>339343619
I understand being dissatisfied with the launch content, but I honestly think that Overwatch is a good investment for 40 bucks, assuming that Blizzard do release content as often as they say they will.
Which I think they will. Overwatch has probably sold gangbusters, and even the relatively niche Heroes of the Storm gets loads of updates.
>>339343679
Pharah has a jump outside of her flight.
tf2 has the record of being the fastest uninstalled steam game for me
Memes and comics
>check trade servers
>about 3 half full ones
Why do people pretend like trade servers are such a big deal?
>>339342321
Character design.
Every toon in the blizzard game is literally every fanfic cliche.
>>339343895
because they exist and there's just no fucking way to ignore that fact, so you must complain about it
TF2 has way better voice acting than Overwatch.
Just compare them
http://youtu.be/d2qrn1O6RDg
http://youtu.be/kuDPFnD4yO8
>>339343834
Jump is fucking worthless for most characters, you just don't have any control in comparison to TF2
I had fun with Overwatch, but the characters feel so dead. The mercenaries in TF2 are always interacting with each other and each one has around thirty or forty minutes of dialogue - they're booming with personalities. I feel that Overwatch heavily relies on their shorts to build personality for their characters, which isn't bad but nor good as well since what matters more is what's happening in-game.
>>339343895
Because it strengthens their argument against it in an easy way.
>>339343827
>investment
![overwatchOrigins005[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ujNNTu9.jpg "overwatchOrigins005[1].jpg")
>>339343152
the male/robot characters have great silhouettes but all the females look the same
>TF2
Mobility
Map Design
Having a fucking 5 cap mode
Balance
Overall the maps are well thought out with lots of options for manuvering to attack. 5 Cap is a mode desperately need in OW and would add longer more interesting games.
>OW
Waifus
Cast (On a mechanical level)
Smaller team size
I think the cast of OW, mechanically, are overall great. Some clearly need nerfs, some buffs, but they did I pretty good job making most of the cast serve a purpose. OW does counter classes a bit better than TF2. This mixed with the smaller teams makes the game feel much more like a team effort and grouping with 5 other friends on mic is amazing.
>>339343418
D.Va has a high Armor pool which helps reduce incoming damage and armor heals 50% faster, her defense matrix absorbs literally everything in the game including ultimates as well
Hanzo excells in aggressive pushing and peeking while keeping his high DPS where as Widowmaker does her best DPS at a distance.
Zenyatta is great at focused support and healing roaming tanks that have armor (like D.va) because his heal is unfocused, his healing and debuff orbs are also animation cancelled meaning that he never has to interrupt any animation to use them. His ultimate also outheals pretty much everything in the game
The reason why D.va isn't that good is because her headshot hitbox is just too big, making the damage mitigation from armor pretty much useless.
The problem with Hanzo is that he is squishy and doesn't contribute information to the rest of the team like Widowmaker does.
The problem with Zen is that he is so fucking slow, and that the benefit of Lucio to boost flankers puts him at increased risk.
D.va, Hanzo, and Zen are all amazing characters, but have flaws that don't fit into the meta as well, making them more situational, but they are all great heroes, D.va just needs hitbox tweaking, Zen needs a speed boost or a shield boost, but Hanzo is more or less fine as is
>>339343610
TF2 x Overwatch PORN crossover when?
>>339343910
>every toon in the blizzard game
>every toon
>toon
>>339343314
>Phara has a jump
>She doesn't just rocket jump across the map
>Junkrat can jump
Junkrat is literally Demoman pre-nerf
Overwatch's animations will never top the "Meet The" series and Expiration Date
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lSzUMBJnc
>>339343827
But do we have any news of WHAT the content will be?
New heroes will mix things up for a week or two of play, sure. New maps will be fun to roll into as well. But if they just add more Assault Maps, more KotH maps, etc, then it gets old in a single year's time.
TFC/TF2's longevity has been a bit of a different story because they were the only real arena shooters out there that weren't Quake clones.
>>339342851
>Black Scotsman
>Absurd
>The absurdity is funny and makes for a fun character
>Whatever the fuck Lucio is
>Black
>But from Brazil
>But has the design of a Jamaican
>But has the accent of an American
>And is also an SJW/hippy
It's like they said "Shit, we don't have enough characters to fill out the quota, so just mash them all together in one character".
Honestly Overwatch's characters are all fucking awful. The writing for their dialogue is especially bad. It's so plain and predictable and hamfisted. TF2 has so many memorable lines.
>>339343965
Blizzard can never hope to make a character to top the Heavy
Hell, nobody else can either.
Just try to name one. I dare you.
>>339344005
I know how silly it sounds
>>339343504
>Not as satisfying as consecutive rocket jumps
The satisfaction of the game should be killing and winning, not basic transport
>TF2 always feels fast paced
Considering most people here bitch about how "short" OW is, thats entirely subjective
>There's skins in Overwatch.
The cosmetic system is a lot more complex then in TF2
Which, as someone who has played TF2 since 2008, is a good thing
>>339343576
>>339343598
The weapons were either useless, radically different (which are esentially other heroes in OW), or broken
>>339343753
>different options
>open Sniper class
>click rifle
>make it bow
>open OW classes
>pick Widowmaker
>or pick Hanzo
Both have their own playstyles so I don't know what you're talking about
>>339343965
TF2 voices are so damn entertaining, I have to admit.
But Overwatch is OK in that department. Look at the bright side, neither of them is fucking Battleborn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYZYs2Nm3q4
Listen to this shit.
>>339344009
Because women need to be slim and sexy.
Seriously, /v/ might hate Zarya for being "SJW pandering" or whatever but at least she's different you know.
The pink hair is still vomit though.
>>339344009
literally who
>>339344087
>Junkrat is literally Demoman pre-nerf
He's Demoman but more brain dead
>>339344009
Junkrat looks like an armadillo
>>339343965
http://youtu.be/eGoidrI3iv0
Do all the characters in Overwatch have at least one voice clip where they spout a meme?
>>339344009
Mercy sticks out a lot
>>339344150
a harpoon gun with legs
>>339344090
New heroes/maps/competitive mode has been confirmed. I have to imagine that with the design philosophy of the game, new maps will mean new game modes. A 5 point capture map will be great imo. I just hope they don't add any CTF bullshit.
>>339344102
I dont know, he's so underutilized in official tf2 sources.
Remember all his wonderful quotes in Expiration date?
Me neither.
>>339342484
Pharah literally has a rocket jump. I'm not even talking about her abilities either.
>>339344150
Octodad
>>339344010
>grouping with 5 other friends on mic is amazing.
So much this.
For some reason people are not so vocal in OW as they are in CS. I wonder if it'll change when/if they implement some kind of a rank.
>>339342484
>>339343679
>>339343504
Just getting this out their, the people who complain that Overwatch is shit because of "muh rocket jumps" are 20x more autistic and unbareable than the people who boycott Smash 4 because of no melee movement
>>339344009
>this picture is so old, hanzo and genji are still fused together
>pretty sure junkrat isn't even there
>>339344132
>The weapons were either useless, radically different (which are esentially other heroes in OW), or broken
So? You change loadout depending on the enemy.
If you need to take out a sentry nest you can use a medigun, or change for kritz if you need to clear out a big point.
That makes characters a lot more complex.
>>339343965
Demoman had the best responses in my opinion, but I still agree that TF2 had better voice acting and dialogues.
>https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/6/6e/Demoman_dominationdemoman01.wav?t=20100625230234
>>339344185
If that's the case I wonder how bad Battleborn is?
>>339344157
>he drops nades when he dies
more fucking hand holding
>>339344214
They probably couldn't get a hold of him. He's the same VA as the demoman and he didn't say anything either
>>339344093
He looks brazilian enough for me
>>339344235
Do you even know what a rocket jump is?
>>339344150
I believe that was Mei before Blizzard redesigned her with the fat eskimo gear in mind.
>>339342740
I remember 360 Orange Box. Every game revolved around engineers but it was good stuff.
>>339344132
>implying radically different weapons are bad
>>339344010
TF2's maps were kind of garbage at launch though, most of the maps they came out with later and the tweaks they did to existing maps are what made them as good as they are now.
Other than that I agree, I think one of the problems that people don't take into comparisons like this how TF2 was at launch, and instead are looking at it now or at least how it was pre F2P or pyro update instead of comparing how it was at launch
>>339342321
TF2 has much, MUCH more skill vs. reward
When every character lacks a teamwipe ability on a cooldown, it turns out the gameplay is much more challenging and rewarding
>>339344089
TF2's appeal is black humor
Overwatch's animations can't top that
>>339344009
Same guy here;
Skins actually make it worse.
>The Commander Morrison Skin when shillouted resembles Reaper more than S76
>Blackwatch Reyes skin shilloutes more to S76 than Reaper.
I actually struggled with identifying between the two the first few matches I've played.
this is rocket jumping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVygAYv79ZU
>>339342321
A lot really
Gameplay
Custom maps
Custom servers
Map design
Game modes
(Adjustable) number of players per game
Better characters
Trailers
Handling Fun
OST
LongevityTaunts
>>339344264
>low skill ceiling is fine for a game that is claiming to be competitive
Go fuck yourself
>>339344146
I have literally seen nothing of Battleborn and this video alone is enough for me to completely discard any hope of looking into it further.
Remind me how Gearbox is still in business again?
Well, TF2 has no Poo Loos, so that's a bonus.
>>339344419
They should have a toggle for beginners or for serious tourny players who don't want to be distracted to disable all skins and see defaults at all times. It would be a good learning tool, if nothing else.
>>339342437
god i hate the tf2 style ...the characters look really mongoloid
>>339344352
Do you?
>>339344367
They aren't
But there is no difference between Huntsman/Sniper, and Hanzo/Widowmaker
>>339344278
In TF2, you hardly ever needed to change weapon, as a Medigun/Kritz can fuck up a sentry nest just as easily
But really, if you're team has no Mercy when you guys are getting melted then you have no hope
>>339344457
>Longevity
TF2 is dying mate
>>339342321
More customizability and creator content though Blizz devs said the plan is to have player created content so we'll see if Overwatch has it in a future update.
TF2 has the spy class which there isn't one in Overwatch. At least not yet.
>>339344542
Not dying, dead. It's all furshit and safespace SJW servers now.
>>339344542
Well it only took 8-9 fucking years to die son
>>339342321
TF2 is fun.
TF2 is free.
TF2 is not a TF2 ripoff.
TF2 is not a Blizzard game.
>>339344519
better than the game with literal mongoloids in it
>>339344146
This is new Dreamworks and Blue Sky Studios levels of bad.
>>339344235
true but it's watered down
>>339344089
>go watch overwatch videos
>expecting something in the lines of Meets
>got a bad pixar/dreamwork ripoff
I just realized my expectation was stupid
>>339344089
I wouldn't say that as much as Valve has a great sense of comedic timing with their animation, it has better direction
However the animation in Overwatch is very well done, they incorporate smears and squash/stretch animation which fits really well with the style, it just doesn't have as good direction to it.
Source film maker was an amazing piece of software, even the original version/pre release version. I wish Valve put as much care for the sake of caring into their work that they used too for things they completely didn't have too.
>>339344465
Yeah, Smash 4 also has a lower skill ceiling than Melee does
Its just nobody gives a fuck, because nobody is as autistic as Meleefags areAlso movement doesn't represent an entire skill ceiling you absolute fuckface
>>339344539
Sniper can equip whatever the hell he wants for a melee/secondary. That's why he's different.
>>339344089
>This video is almost 5 years old
>>339344632
A bit, but you can combine it with her other abilities too. You can easily rocket jump, then use her ability to go up higher, and then hover a bit in the sky.
>>339344617
Found the furfag Valvedrone
>>339342321
Balance
>>339344597
How many times a year is this said. This has been said the last 4 years. Still kickin'
Overwatch is just too fucking sterile, you can just feel the shitty comic-tier Blizzard writing/setting that's plagued their IPs since WoW. TF2 isn't afraid to pull punches which makes it more humorous and natural.
>>339344617
TF2 being free is a bad point.
It fills it up with vermin.
>>339344743
The game is dead. You furries that still play TF2 are the maggots eating away at its rotting carcass.
>>339342321
banter
particularly domination lines
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/1/13/Spy_DominationScout04.wav?t=20100626000435
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/8/8c/Scout_dominationpyr03.wav?t=20100625232659
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/3/36/Spy_DominationSoldier04.wav?t=20100626000448
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/8/87/Soldier_DominationSniper04.wav?t=20100625233022
>>339344089
>Overwatch will never top this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42d0WHRSck
>>339344185
Christ, she sounds straight British half the time.
>>339344695
You have a point with melee, but lets face it:
do you use anything for Sniper's second other than Jarate?
>>339342321
everything is unlockable without paying money and TF2 is f2p
this makes it sustainable indefinitely, while overwatch will fade away whenever a TF2 clone with better graphics comes out.
I'd expect team fortress 3 to be released within 2 to 3 years. valve is clearly working on stuff for their new engine
>>339344847
I'm not a furry though.
>>339344659
>movement isn't a big part of an FPS
Just stop, map movement is one of the most important parts of an FPS along with aiming skill. Smash 4 doesn't tout itself to be some competitive e-sport title like Overwatch which has a low skill ceiling.
>>339343152
Only thing I'll disagree with you on is:
>More Likely to be updated
If this means CONSISTENT updates I'd say its about the same, but Blizzard could constantly fuck around with the balance of the game because of MUH ESPORTS which can ruin alot of shit.
I know TF2 is planning a big update for this summer. Valve doesn't want to lose any more players to Blizzard, so according to some pros they got something big planned.
Honestly OW is fun but I really hate how much they're pushing MUH EEEEEEESPORTS, MUH PROFESSIONAL OVERWATCH.
Like for fuck's sake the game hasn't even been out a month, quit worrying about fucking esports. Honestly that's what I hate both about OW and HotS, they're overly focused on esports
>>339344846
Why do people act like paywalls keep out shitters?
All the trashy suburban kiddies still get these popular games with their parent's money.
CoD ain't F2P.
>>339344830
blizzard meeded to make a shitload of money off of overwatch sales to offset some of their recent failures so they made it T instead of M.
You can tell the people developing the game desperately wanted an M rating to work with, but they did the best they could with T.
>>339342321
Have different maps than dustbowl and goldrush
>>339344617
Overwatch is not Free
Overwatch is fun
Overwatch isn't a Valve game
Going off the rip off logic, TF2 is a rip off of Quake.
>>339342321
Mods and server browser.
>>339344881
>just rewatched Meet the Heavy
I miss when Heavy acted like a normal human.
>>339344146
Jesus Christ that voice acting.
My little sister could do better.
>>339344847
You're being unfair. There is also jews, bronies, and BRs/slavs/underage kids who can't afford the lofty paywall of 40 whole dollars.
How long would the cast of TF2 last if the entire cast of Overwatch invaded them?
Skill ceiling being higher.
Alternate weapons for classes rather than a new character for 1 new weapon.
>>339344997
>Just stop, map movement is one of the most important parts of an FPS along with aiming skill
Yeah, which is why Phara still has her movement and can still get across the map
>Smash 4 doesn't tout itself to be some competitive e-sport title like Overwatch
Except it does
But the thing is nobody except people in esports cares about esports
>muh skill ceiling
OW has a perfectly fine skill level. You just think the game is tainted because of one movement
>>339345036
I think thats cause its CoD.
I'm actually really grateful CoD exists, I know it gets a lot of shit but it really just takes the blunt of the insufferable little kid demographic out of other games.
>>339344989
>valve
>working on anything
>>339344942
I tend to use the jarate if I'm going full piss rifle, the croc-o-style set if I feel like wearing the whole thing, and I tend to alternate between SMG/jarate when huntsman sniping because I can't take the class seriously.
>>339342321
custom maps
>>339344846
Blizzard games are full of vermin though
>>339345160
You can actually stomp pretty hard with classes like the scout and soldier.
>>339344597
>>339344739
I never understood this meme.
>TF2 IS ALL HAT TRADING NOW
>TF2 IS ALL BRONIES NOW
>TF2 IS ALL CHILDREN NOW
>ITS JUST IDLING AND TRADE SERVERS NOW
Ive played TF2 every couple days for awhile now and literally never ever had this happen. All you do is hit play now and connect to a Valve server. 9/10 times it's just people playing the fucking game like they always have.
Do anons on /v/ want to seem grownup or cool by making shit up about it or something? I genuinely don't fucking get it.
If there had never been a previous Team Fortress and TF2 came out today beside of Overwatch then I'd play TF2 over Overwatch any day.
At this point I have so much time put into TF2 that I've seen god damned everything and the community is now shit anyway. First year TF2 community was pretty great with people playing seriously and less ridiculous maps and other bullshit.
I found the balance between classes in TF2 and always being useful to be a much nicer way of designing a game. The counterpicking structure in Overwatch just means I might have to play a class I don't actually want to play if I want to win and that means I might not be having as much fun. Sure, that could happen in TF2 as well, but not every game and multiple times for a game. Plus having 2 of the same class wasn't as detrimental since it wasn't limited to 6v6.
>>339345160
6 waves.
https://youtu.be/C4cfo0f88Ug
>>339344846
>TF2 being free is a bad point. It fills it up with vermin.
Do you know what CS:GO is? I assure you paywalls do fuck all and if you think otherwise youre genuinely deluding yourself.
>>339345250
>Valve servers
If you actually played the game you would know exactly what the fuck is wrong with Valve servers
Valve servers are notoriously shitty and filled with noobs
>>339345250
autists are still really, really hung up on the balloonicorn thing
>>339345092
>TF2 is a ripoff of Quake
Team Fortress 2 is a ripoff of Team Fortress Classic, which was a ripoff of Team Fortress, which was a ripoff of Quake 3 Fortress, which was a ripoff of Quake.
Uncultured swine.
TF2 has more of a consistent tone, it's not afraid to have characters with rocket launchers and machine guns turning each other into piles of meaty chunks, all while the characters yuk it up and trash-talk each other.
All the classes are deranged in some way or another, even the most intelligent of them are fucking nutjobs who get a kick out of killing each other, and it shows in their dialogue, they have just as much fun as the player does when wrecking people's shit.
Overwatch feels too clean, you can mow down a man as a turret robot and watch him flop bloodlessly to the floor. You can litter an entire group with rockets and they just fall over.
I don't mind it when they're clearly using energy weapons, laser beams, sonic blasts, electricity cannons, all those I can accept as not making people burst into gouts of blood and pieces, but otherwise I have no idea what they're trying to do.
It's so Disney safe, and I hate that I can't come up with a better comparison, the good guys are all obviously goody-goody, and the bad guys are so obviously bad, and then you get things like a woman who was mind-fucked and murdered her husband and walks around shooting people in the face while she's got her tits out.
I don't get it.
>>339345092
>TF2 is a ripoff of Quake
you really believe this? that's hilarious, but I know you're just trying to defend the game you bought
overwatch literally stole game modes from team fortress 2. I definitely felt like I was playing a team fortress 2 clone when I was playing on the egypt map during open beta
>>339343314
>Nobody likes your dress-up game
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW, THAT'S LITERALLY THE ONLY THING WHY PEOPLE WANT TO BUY THE BOXES WITH REAL MONEY.
>>339345250
This
>open up server browsers
>tags: valve
Hundreds of servers full of people just playing the game its anything but dead
>>339344881
What's the best Meet The video and why is it Meet TheSniper
>>339345247
Scout would be busy flirting
>>339345250
Because those are all technically true.
>>339342537
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>>339345171
>skill ceiling
Quit spamming this buzzword.
The only thing the game is missing is a rocket jump.
Other then that characters like Junkrat aren't easy to pick up at all
>>339345160
Not very long unfortunately.
Widowmaker is so broken in Overwatch its ridiculous.
>>339344881
I feel sorry for Soldier
>illiterate
>homeless
>never been in the war despite signing up for every U.S. military branch
>his only friends are cardboard cutouts
>probably has rabies from raccoon bites
>probably lost body parts and organs many times and sewn it back together (possibly experienced death multiple times just like the other mercenaries)
>>339345250
I have over 1k hours in TF2 and have run into all of those things on countless occasions when I still played. Denying that TF2 is dead is like denying WoW is dead. Sure, you can point to the playercount and go "b-b-but look at the numbers!", but fucking everyone agrees that Mannconomy ruined the game and F2P was the death knell.
>>339345420
Cause he's a fun character fromNew Zealand
>>339344093
I don't get how Lucio is a SJW or a hippy? He's just a guy that really likes music and has a JSR vibe
>>339345412
>not Meet the EngineerDont make me bully you
>>339345365
>classic kid's movie trope where it's okay to murder robots
>humans are just knocked unconcsious
>every single Overwatch short
>>339345449
If I open a server and not everyone is a brony or trading then they are not in fact true, anon
>>339344027
>doesn't contribute information to the rest of the team like Widowmaker does.
He has an ability that does exactly that
Too bad most shitters never seem to use it
>>339345495
>1k hours
When did you join?
>>339345483
He gets a crazy russian waifu, so its all good
new comic fucking win
>>339345483
well on the bright side
You don't have to play certain characters to win in TF2.
>>339345479
I got MVP and play of the game by camping as widowmaker the first time I played as her. the aiming is way too easy if you identify a viable chokepoint
>>339345476
It literally has the ability to rocket jump. Shoot the ground as Pharah sometime.
>>339345547
His character is a musician because he thinks it can change the world and shit
>>339345560
I said technically, not literally. Most of what you're shitposting about was a LOT worse years ago.
>>339342321
990 hours
>>339345160
Any Overwatch character will curbstomp in just about any other FPS you put them in. Motherfuckers don't need to reload and every single one of them is built around a hard strength that'll make them a pain to kill.
>>339345420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NZDwZbyDus
>Widowmaker's parents are probably smelly and french and blue
>>339345495
Ive played TF2 for 3.5k and I can assure you that those things have not overrun the game like people say they do.
>Mannconomy ruined the game!
>F2P ruined the game!
No it didn't. Im sick of hearing this shit. What killed TF2 was lack of support. Valve saw they could make much more money with shit like CSGO and Dota, so TF2 got left behind.
Does that mean it's dead? Not really. Just because a game is not in it's hayday doesn't mean it's dead, it just means its past its prime. That doesnt mean its a bad game in any sense.
>>339345203
And now the parents will see a more cartoony, seemingly kid friendly FPS that works as an alternative to CoD for their stupid kids.
>>339345195
>Yeah, which is why Phara still has her movement and can still get across the map
That refers to map positioning you fuck. There's nothing skillful about Phara's movement, it doesn't take much brainpower to realize you should fly in the air to avoid being shit on in most situations. Map knowledge, movement, and player prediction are all different skills but are regulated by your ability to move. Anyone can press the fucking shift key.
>Except it does
So Smash 4 advertised itself heavily as a competitive e-sport game and not a party game? That's news to me.
>You just think the game is tainted because of one movement
It's not just one movement, you have less control over your movement overall due to your options being regulated to abilities instead of the individual skill in being able to execute such movements.
>>339345808
F2P made the game way easier. That I definitely noticed when it came out.
>>339345356
Team Fortress Classic is a ripoff of Quake Team Fortress, for Quake 1, not 3.
Actually, it was made by the same people.
>>339345746
>Most of what you're shitposting about was a LOT worse years ago.
Wow it's like the fad of MLP and trading died off or something. Imagine that
>>339345476
>stop saying higher skill ceiling even though I literally gave an example of why tf2 has a higher one
Not just rocket jumps. Flare jumps for pyro, sentry jumps for engi, pills/sticky jumping, shield charging off of angled geometry. Much more.
Play any intermediate/hard jump map anon, if you can beat it I'll take back what I said.
>>339345150
I remember how upset people were at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTm95NExs24
>>339342484
>not depend on waifus to keep afloat
No, instead they depend on hats to keep afloat
>>339345632
A few months before Spy v Sniper
>>339345924
So you don't play TF2? Okay.
>>339344028
I'm pretty sure that already exists
tf2 has shit like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1G6_3dTg0Q
>>339345968
overwatch is floating on skins on release
>>339345887
>F2P made the game way easier. That I definitely noticed when it came out.
Wow it's like a gigantic influx of new players who don't have much experience have made the game easier. Color me surprised.
>>339344881
>>339344089
Thanks, now i want to rewatch all the TF2 animations
>>339345968
Which one is better though?
You can't wear a waifu into battle.
>>339345553
>replying to the wrong anon
dumbsexyanime poster
>>339345968
having hats to keep your game alive than hard dicks is arguably better
>>339346031
Shitters don't understand the concept of a skill-gap
>>339345939
balloonicorn was one thing, but 5 minutes of dialog for one hat plus "friendship is stoopid magic" was more than enough to piss people off, especially with how rampant ponyshit was at the time
>>339342321
maps and physics such as rocket/nade jump
Also no Q to win buttons. More skill.
>>339345926
Rocket, Flare, and Sticky jumping all have equivalents. The charge jumps and sentry jumps aren't in there.
>>339343152
>More Likely to be updated
Shit son where have you been ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IMwHcfVIYU
Were getting HUGE fucking update with a HUGE balance and gameplay additions being added soon depending if people come back in droves.
>>339346006
I dont know anon I actually play the game alot and know what Im talking about rather than rely on shitposting on a malaysian cooking forum
>>339346031
It's still stupidly easy now
Even in games that aren't full of "friendlies", I can max the scoreboard in 10 minutes just going through the basic motions
>>339345939
I remember for the longest time they couldn't or wouldn't get most of the voice actors in to do new lines so I don't know if the medic ever got an update while I was playing. So they finally got them together and they do this?
>>339344146
That personality doesn't fit the water archetype.
>>339344523
the "E" ability doesnt count as a rocket jump.
>>339346097
""""""""""""""""""""""arguably""""""""""""""""""""""
People is a baseline for a fun team based FPS game. It's the benchmark that while enjoyable has gotten stale as hell over the near decade we've been playing it.
We all want something to step up and take its place, hence why people are incredibly forgiving about horribly flawed contenders which just don't measure up.
It happened with T:A, it'll happen with Overwatch.
>>339345476
>Junkrat
>not easy
I latched onto him when I started playing because he pours out truckloads of damage with little skill involved. Just a watered down demoman with a beartrap.
>>339346227
Good, cause thats not what I was talking about.
TF2 has a very nice art style.
>>339342321
TF2 destroys it in writing and characters, as far as characters go Overwatch essentially has nice/THICK asses going for it and that's it. Also, more coherent and consistent style/theme.
>>339346151
clicking a button to automatically do a sticky jump with no damage repercussion means it's a lower skill ceiling. Less advanced input is required.
It's not making fun of the game, it's just not as a high of a ceiling.
>>339345160
It's kinda unfair to compare TF2, a series that takes place in the 60's, with Overwatch, a series that takes place in the future. Stock TF2 vs. Stock Overwatch, TF2 would get stomped, because if you use only one of each class, Overwatch has the numbers advantage.
If RED and BLU teamed up, things might get more fair, since the numbers advantage swings in TF2's favor, but I'd still give it to Overwatch. I don't think TF2's Sniper (even two of them) could counter Widowmaker, and once Sniper's out, it's all downhill from there.
Though to be fair, Grey Mann would probably roll Overwatch all by himself. All of them fought in the Omnic Crisis, but from what I understand, the current Overwatch team has been extraordinarily neutered from the original team, so if the average team of six TF2 players struggles to beat some of the easiest Mann vs. Machine maps, Grey Mann should win by sheer numbers without much trouble.
So it depends.
Stock TF2 vs. Stock Overwatch = Stomp for Overwatch
RED/BLU vs. Stock Overwatch = Win for Overwatch
Grey Mann vs. Stock Overwatch = ROFLstomp for Grey
Stock TF2 + Grey vs. Stock Overwatch = No contest win for TF2
20 TICK SERVERS
>>339346090
WOOPS.
>>339345420
>>339346270
He said other than Junkrat, but he's still wrong in saying that any hero is difficult to use in Overwatch
>>339344214
His VA is literally dying
Demoman barely has any new lines and it was done by Nolan North
>>339342731
God that picture is so god damn old, wait, how old is TF2 again?
