So these are pretty much objectively the best games of all time, right?
I don't care what anybody says, Half-Life sucked and so did its sequels. Valve has basically never made a good game.
sure
>>339329312
Why does/did Half Life suck?
remove zelda,add doom, and myst
>>339329359
>Doom
>best game of all time
Christ you're joking right?
>>339329217
>Korean autismo simulator '98
>best game of all time
Try harder m80
>>339329338
not him, but Half-Life 1 is definitely superior compared to Half-Life 2.
>>339329623
Oh yeah, no question.
>>339329623
seconded
>>339329623
thirded
MS1 is overrated
otherwise, they are the best in respective genres, yes (adventure, FPS, RTS)
>>339331006
It set the standard though in storytelling and stealth gameplay.
>>339329217
Was 1998 the best year for video games?
>>339329312
5/10, made me a little bothered, but still obvious bait.
>>339329217
Only if you're blinding yourself with nostalgia goggles.
Why are people so scared to admit that some of the best games were made post-2000?
>>339331153
Same way 1808 was for music yeah
>>339331350
>Why are people so scared to admit that some of the best games were made post-2000?
Well go on.
Name ones more deserving.
Tetris
Ocarina of Time
MGS2
Dark Souls
>>339331115
>stealth gameplay
No that was Thief
>>339331524
HL2
Portal
Dark Souls/Bloodborne
Smash Melee
Actually I realize now why it's harder to say that about a game that's more recent. You don't have any negative associations with the fanbase when the game was released 20 years ago. Whether you admit it or not, a lot of you let the fans impact your judgement on the game itself when you know you shouldn't.
>>339329623
(4 to n inclusive)th
>>339329359
Doom gets extra points for being one of the first shooters but thats it, with the time Half Life, Unreal and even Quake surpassed what Doom did by far.
>>339329431
No, are you?
>>339329217
>Starcraft
>Not Age of Empires II
>>339332043
The last two I'll definitely agree on. The other two are typical valveshit.
>>339332043
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is bait.
>>339332027
>Whose footprints are these?
>>339332043
lol ok kid
>>339329217
starcraft was great
>le fallout is great
it's a meme. hl is an epitome of mediocrity
>japshit
not worth mentioning. into the trash
Majoras mask
Starcraft
Roller coaster tycoon
Banjo Tooie
>>339329217
where is Doom 1
Is Bloodborne too new to be considered GOAT?
It's genuinely the closest game i've came to a 3D castlevania.
>that level design
>that fucking setting
>that atmosphere
>that combat
>THAT FUCKING LOVECRAFTIAN TWIST
It's genuinely the best game i've played, Witcher 3 might have won more awards but I don't know, Bloodborne just hit the right notes for me. It was so fucking good. Witcher 3 is fun and all but the setting is so fucking generic ("b-but it's a lot darker than generic Tolkien bullshit!") that I always crave the criminally underused lovecraftian/victorian england setting found in Bloodborne.If only it was on PC for that 60fps
>>339332267
Yep, fallout was always mediocre.
>>339332321
>>339332043
>>339331840
>pic related
>>339332118
This anon knows what's up
>>339332264
>>Whose footprints are these?
That literally only happens once in the starting
>>339329217
Those would be:
VTMB, Deus Ex, Fallout (pick one except for 3/4) and one Blizzard game (starcraft, warcraft, diablo etc.)
>>339329217
No medieval 2 total war. Fuck off.
>>339332321
lol
>>339329217
>early 3d era games
>best of all time
There's no fucking way you're being serious
>no max payne or vampire
Trash list to be honest my dude
>>339332726
LOL
Let me guess, first or second year on /v/?
Except for Starcraft they're certainly some of the most influential.
>>339332467
It and Dark Souls are pretty much the pinnacle of RPG games. They borrowed a lot from Zelda but executed it better than any of the 3D LoZ games could ever dream to.
>>339332834
Longer, and I've played and appreciated these games for a long time now. Although it's good to see that VTMB and Deus Ex are appreciated a lot on /v/, I thought I'd never find people anywhere that loved them enough.
>>339331006
starcraft is shit though, age of mythology is much more iconic and made much more impact on the RTS genre.
>>339332431
In the trash bin
I refined OP's list.
These are the only good games.
If you could eradicate every other game in existence, you would do just fine. Nothing any other game has ever done that these five didn't do better.
>>339333762
Could you even be any more of a Nintendrone cliche?
>>339332813
One mediocre rpg with shitty gameplay and a decent 3rd person shooter don't get to be the top just because nostalgia.
>>339333762
Garbage.
>>339333913
You jelly that your favorite dev has no gaems?
>>339332467
too easy, too short, fuck all variety, no depth, tired format, nothing new to the table
not by a long shot sonygger
>>339333762
>only Nintendo stuff
>RE4
Shit taste.
>>339333762
>OoT
>the legend of zelda
>super metroid over zero mission
>second weakest version of re4
a shiggery doo
>>339333678
why? Doom is fun asHell
>>339334236
>zero mission
Literally worst Metroid, nostalgia pandering really is the opposite of having good taste.
>>339329359
MYST IS SHIT NOSTALGIA FAG
>>339334151
Screencap your copy of Bloodborne with a timestamp.
>>339329217
No, but those games are the reason 1998 was the single best year for video games of all time.
>>339329217
Heroes 3 pc
Super Mario Kart snes
Final Fantasy VII PS1
Wolfenstein Amiga
Super Mario Bros, nes
Zelda Snes
Halo xbox
Street Fighter 2 arcade
Warcraft 3 pc
GTA San Andreas PS2
>>339329217
>OoT
>not LttP
Take down Half Life and Metal Gear
Replace with Chrono Trigger and Baldur's Gate 2
>>339334505
that won't change the fact it's shit....don't cry bro we'll get a decent gamemaybe
also screen cap your face with time stamp so I know you're a real person
>>339329217
Historically significant and/or influential =/= best.
>>339334672
Didn't think so.
>>339329217
>starcraft
NO
Get that shit out of my site.
>>339334505
Not the guy you are replying to but Bloodborne is the only title I know of where people demand proof that they've played the game
is it rate or something? I mean its on the shelf all day at walmart
>>339334505
He should also screencap PS4, make a video of him playing Bloodborne and use UV light fingerprinting on his controller and video game case, to make sure he didn't borrow any of it from friends. A written statement from his parents declaring that the PS4 is his own would also be appreciated.
>>339332726
>4 PC RPGs if you pick diablo
consider that you may have a bias. Any answer in this thread with four games in the same genre is pretty much invalid.
>>339334635
Nope.
>>339334343
Its outdated and has been surpassed my many other games
>>339334772
Okay, remove diablo and put Terranigma/Chrono Trigger. The rest I cannot change.
>>339334723
I think we'll get a good game give it time
>>339329217
Appreciate the StarCraft in there, OP
>>339334635
>OoT can stay
you done goofed
>Jet Set Radio
>THPS2
>MGS3
>Chrono_Cross_
>tfw can never decide if OoT or MM is the superior game
OoT is far more competent at what it does but MM does so many more interesting things...
>My best games of all time list: r8 & h8 fags:
- Chrono Trigger
- Shenmue
- Dragon Age: Origins
- Unreal Tournament
>>339335450
OOT is just a far more important game.
It's Beethoven 3.
>>339334882
No offense, but that's still 4 RPGs, Anon.
>>339334770
It's because PCucks are objectively the saltiest fanbase on /v/ and 99% of them that shit on Bloodborne haven't played it.
>>339335347
Fuck off Egoraptor.
>>339329338
it doesn't
it's a masterpiece
>>339335586
It's important but I wouldn't place it as one of the best videogames ever
It's not even in the top three of best LoZ's
>>339335695
DUDE WAITING LMAO
Because games putting emphasis on patience and precision timing was such a novel concept for video games in 1998
>>339335784
None of the previous games had story or meaning to them, it was arcade fodder.
>>339335745
The first Half-Life is great but it's definitely not a masterpiece. Opposing Force is the superior Half Life 1
>>339335904
>implying story is what makes all videogames good
Tetris is better than the majority of the Zelda series
>>339335586
>Beethoven 3
?
>>339336041
No.
>>339336089
symphony fag
well mem'd tho
MGS 3
Mother 3
Ocarina of Time
Fallout NV
>>339335621
The list is about 4 best games of all time right? As in, regardless of genre. Or am I misunderstanding it? RPGs are the best games for my tastes, by quite far. By your logic everyone has a bias because they pick certain games that are more like each other than the rest.
>>339335904
Ocarina doesn't even have a super engaging story to begin with. Majora's Mask is way more interesting.
>>339336160
>MGS3
It's so much harder to play MGS pre-4 ever since I realized the gameplay is just red-light-green-light mixed with hide-and-seek.
>>339335904
lmao this is /v/, Anon. You should know that alone isn't what makes a game great.
If story and thematic structure were really what we were judging here, Nier and Killer7 would already be at the top of the list.
>>339335904
>story or meaning
>arcade
>fodder
Yeah, it's not like we're talking about the greatest games of all time.
>>339329217
no, but the bottom two are pretty good
>>339329217
>no undertale
>>339336278
Without Ocarina, no Majora.
>>339336340
Yeah, which is why everything about Ocarina is revolutionary.
>>339336369
Just shut up kid, no one cares about your opinion.
Starcraft is the only game in that image that's even the best in its respective series
>>339335941
randy you leave now
>>339336558
The fact that a game is consequential to another doesn't make that game's story less interesting. Plus, Ocarina wasn't the first game to have a semblance of a story in videogames. Your arguments and lack thereof don't make any sense
>>339337054
>The fact that a game is consequential to another doesn't make that game's story less interesting.
Just because Beethoven 7 is objectively better than 3 in pacing and counterpoint doesn't mean that it's more significant and greater as a result.
>Plus, Ocarina wasn't the first game to have a semblance of a story in videogames.
"Semblance" of course it wasn't.
But it was way more than a semblance.
>>339337234
What? Your argument was that because Ocarina came out before Majora's Mask, it's better. you were also saying that Ocarina is revolutionary because of its story, which it wasn't. What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>339335450
Majora does a lot of things better but the thing is it doesn't stand on its own as well as ocarina. Without ocarina, majora just wouldn't work
It's almost like asking if brood war is better than vanilla starcraft
>>339329217TP is better than OOT
>>339337467
Read my post and maybe it would make sense.
>>339336237
It's not like it's my thread or anything. Just saying it shows a lack of objectivity over what makes a game great when all your picks are the same genre. Also, you're the only one who picked at least 3 in the same genre.
>>339337598
MM*
>>339336558
We could name hundreds of the most revolutionary games for hours until we reach the post limit. We're talking about what's the BEST.
Until last gen games had been rapidly evolving and changing for decades.
>>339329623
>>339329686
>>339329952
>>339330024
>>339332049
Kys.
>>339329217
I found Ocarina to be one of the most downright boring titles I played on the N64. It's an important game, but that doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean that it's some kind of flawless masterpiece. The same can be said for every other game on that image.
>>339329217
definitely starcraft and mgs. blizzard was god-like pre-WoW
>>339331417
explain
>want to replay HL1
>remember the rail segments
>>339329217
>mgs
lol
>>339329217
Replace Starcraft with Total Annihilation or Supcom FA. Replace Halflife with unreal and unreal tournament. Replace MGS 1 either 3 or splinter cell. Replace zelda with mario galaxy.
>>339339094
>reddit plas go
>>339332743
are you implying that shooters and strategy games have gotten better over the years?
>>339339474
>liking all these INFERIOR games more
whoa there guy be careful you might cause a plebpocalypse
>>339339625
unreal tournament is still the best shooter ever made
>>339329217
Here have some better candidates.
>>339338756
>kys
Fuckin facebook babies, casualizing our insults.
Kill yourself. Faggot.
>>339340273
Unreal is the only worthy game there.
>>339340594
>Unreal is the only game I've played there.
>>339340849
Yakuza 2 is a shitty, repetitive button masher, really a poormans shenmue.
Ill give you the other 2, first time i even see the names.
>>339329217
>best games of all time
Tetris (pure puzzle)
Super Mario 3 (platformer)
Wolfenstein (fps)
Baldur's Gate (rpg)
Dune II (rts)
MGS1 has aged poorly.
>any list that doesn't include both tetris and superdeepthroat
kek
>>339341207
Yakuza is an evolution of Shenmue and beat em ups. Quite frankly I don't understand how you could possibly think Shenmue is superior. Certainly a fantastic game, but it's clunkier, uglier and less feature-filled. Unless it simply has characters, narrative and atmosphere you prefer.
>>339339625
Total annihilation and Supcom are the undisputed pinnacles of rts. Unreal and UT is the best shooter though people will aregue that quake and q3a are better. Mario galaxy is 3d platforming perfection and MGS 3 basically took what one had and went to the limits before the creators went to shit in 4.
>>339333762
Metroid did Metroid better than Super Metroid.
Sunshine did 3D Mario platforming better by the sheer virtue of having free camera control that wasn't limited to 8 angles.
Ocarina of Time simplified combat to locking on and Simon Says.
>>339341485
I liked Shenmue combat balance over Yakuza as well, in Shenmue you get your ass handed by average bully guy if you don't know what you doing, one on one fights are made so they feel like a big thing while yakuza is about over the top button mashing fests and sending 20 guys with poor ai flying around like they were nothing.
>>339329217
Where's q3a?
>>339342768
Quake live is better.
>>339342860
>>339342860
>CPMA/Reflex is better
FTFY. Live is garbage.
Half-life is responsible of turning the fast as fuck fps genre into muh story and corridors for the casual crowd at that time
>>339342950
>tfw there is people still playing Outdated version with fake player bots on empty, laggy servers.
>>339342953
tfw there is people who rather play shitty clones and nearly empty versions because they afraid of getting their ass handed at QL, which is were the pros play.
QL is objectively better.
>>339343116
No genre has only one unique playstyle, you fuckin sperg.
>>339343116
>wahhh how dare a game try something different and not be the same thing a fresh nee coat of paint ;.;
>>339343225
>Loadouts
>Floating enemy Markers
'Pros'
>>339343116
And is much better than garbage like Serious Sam, so good.
Shenmue 2
RE3
Arkham City
Halo 2
R8 & H8
>>339329359
>Myst
>people desperately trying to avoid calling ff7 the best game ever
Why do you have trouble admitting the truth anon?
>>339343436
>he doesn't know all those are gone
We now have custom map and community servers as well as optional voicechat.
>>339329312
Get the fuck out, I played that shit last year and I was glued to my computer the entire time.
>>339343539
The gameplay.
>>339343518
City confirmed worst bamham
When will you just accept MGS2 is the best entry and one of the best games ever?
>>339332043
>Smash
Yeah maybe on this board, but not anywhere else you fucking fanboy
>>339343727
What the fuck are you talking about? This isn't about how popular a game is. And even if it were, Smash would still be up there.
>>339343552
They doritoed the game to get the cod audience
those fags would last seconds using their gamepads on vanilla glorious q3a
>>339333762
The "I'm a fucking weeaboo" starter set
>>339344032
>custom maps
>community servers
>no more tiers or matchmaking
Sounds like the opposite of CoD, if anything it's how arena shooters used to be, also there is no gamepad support so you can stop memeing anytime.
>>339329312
Why so mad, kid?
>>339329312
portal is good
anyway the best valve game is the steam marketplace
>>339343458
>>339343552
Too little too late. Especially with reflex and UT4 on the horizon. Bethesda fucked it all.
>>339343718
I agree, but i'm not so sure about top 4.
To be fair, I can't even imagine what my picks for the thread would be. There are just too many candidates to choose from and it's just too hard to look at one and say "that definitely belongs in top 4" without thinking there's probably something at least a little bit better.
>>339344753
None of those have half the population QL got.
I hope UT does well at release. Other than that QL is your best bet if you wanna play an arena shooter.
>>339336160
>Fallout NV
>Not Fallout 2
What the fuck, dude.
>>339334236
whats the best version of RE4? i never played it
>>339346434
Wii if wiimote available
Else last edition on gabens
>>339346434
People swear by the Wii version.
I never played that port but i'm guessing wiimote lets you offset the effect of tank controls.
IMO tank controls are fine and the risk/reward of only being able to attack or move and not both contributes significantly to the thrill and feel of the game.
>>339345831
Go to bed grandpa
>>339333762
But Mario 3 is better than 64
