She was the only good thing that came out of mgs5
>>339291240
>She
>>339291240
I think you mean "worst".
>>339291240
I liked the music, and I sometimes enjoy pretending that you were BB all along. Venom not being Boss (which we all sort of knew from the beginning) was the thing I hated the most.
>>339291867
(You)
>>339291240
That's not cute shota in a gas mask.
>>339292010
>hating Venom
The Medic twist is the definition of a great idea that's poorly executed.
It would've been so much better if they revealed the Medic's identity halfway through and had him undergo an existential crisis.
I agree
Joosten RUINED Metal Gear
No, Joosten was.
Havent played the game but is there a reason she has a fucked up face instead of Joostens?
>>339292351
More like made it good
>>339292204
That would have been at odds with Venom being what he is, though. He's a vacant shell for the player to project onto in Big Boss's image. An existential crisis would have imposed character on him he was deliberately designed not to have.
Without that, it would just be a dumb Big Boss doppelganger story. Not that what we got isn't also pointless and stupid, but I'm not sure what you're suggesting would have really been any better.
>>339292204
I suppose that's fair. Just ending the game with it was a poor choice, they could have done a lot more.
>>339292874
It's true that the Medic was designed to be a blank slate, but in the context of the MGS universe, that was BB's doing.
They could've easily pulled a Raiden and had Venom slowly display his own personality after he finds out the truth. At least then we'd have SOME interesting conflict.
>>339291661
>>339291661
Shut the fuck up
>>339293328
Raiden had personality from the beginning, though. My point is that the only reason Venom exists is to give the player "Big Boss" without stepping on player agency and creating dissonance. You're asking for something that wasn't even on their radar to do. They could have, sure, but that's an entirely different ballgame than what MGSV was made to be.
>>339293725
Sometimes I hate when video games do artsy stuff like this at the detriment of the story.
>>339294448
Kojima has never given a shit about internal consistency or logic. Theme and examining the nature of video games themselves has always been more interesting for him.
If youre just catching on now you werent paying attention.
>>339293328
Raiden was arguably about throwing off others' control of him, including the intent to turn him into Snake v1.2. Venom seems implicitly pretty okay with the whole arrangement, since he doesn't break the charade.
I've been replaying it and holy shit substinence missions are fun.
I dont understand why they'd only make 3 of these.
>>339293024
>that ending
>not___Paz___
Disgusting baby face, doesn't belong on a silent assassin.
>>339294448
That's my point though; Venom's role in the story is peripheral compared to his role as the player's avatar in the game itself. I don't think it's especially "artsy." I can understand why you might want a good story revolving around an identity crisis, but all MGSV wanted to be was a sandbox with "Big Boss" with stupid fanservice like Preteen Liquid and Quiet's tits. The entire game amounts to very little in the greater canon, and I don't think that's an accident.
Why does her face look like that? It's bizarre.
>>339294876
So you mod it :^)
She was literally pointless. She could not have been in the game, and it would barely change the story.
>feminazis and SJ cucks shit on Quiet's appearance
But there's a reason she's dressed like that
>she flaunts around retarded slut
>>339294876
I'm somewhat disappointed they didn't have any goofy missions, like all the ones Peace Walker. Even GZ had the Snatcher and Deja Vu missions.
>>339291240
>She was the only good thing that came out of mgs5
I really hope that your trolling
>>339295341
The game didnt really have any memorable missions now that i think about it.
>>339292204
that game exists, it's called tales of the abyss.
>>339295341
>But there's a reason she's dressed like that
The reason is a paper thin gesture toward justifying having big tits on display. I don't give a fuck about Quiet either way, but don't try to excuse it with the story.
>>339291240
Miller was the only good thing on MGS5. Everything else was shit.
>>339292259
>That nigger Kaz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZY7QCBMWoE
>>339291240
>She was the only good thing that came out of mgs5
No
>>339291240
But that's not a picture of the the truth tapes, you dense fuck.
>>339291240
Wasn't she originally supposed to be Paz?
>>339294713
I don't mind when some of his choices to drive the nature of video games (I thought having Raiden fill in for Snake was a great way to explain why you have to go through old things again, yada yada) but this one just messed with me.
Hell, I feel like you could have still had the revelation had have a crisis of identity while still maintaining the same overall idea. You think you're playing as one character but then you're actually playing as someone else. Does that change how you behave towards the other characters?
Or something like that.
>>339294941
Paz not actually being dead was silly.
>>339295540
Well yeah, duh. It's just I thought the character would have been taken seriously, and wear a bikini.
>>339295341
>But there's a reason she's dressed like that
I dont care about fanservice but Quiet's design is both unaesthetically pleasing and has nothing to do with her actual character. Quiet's ACTUAL role in the story is her relationship with Venom constructed as a bond without words and taking it away the first time she speaks to him, causing a Phantom Pain in both Venom and the player. The plant stuff is just an excuse to have Joosten in her underwear.
Face it, Kojima just wanted a naked fanservice character and then wrote reasons for it later.
>>339295368
I suppose that's a fair point, she probably should have been bald.
>>339295796
But Paz is actually dead
>>339295796
>Paz not actually being dead was silly.
>i didnt finish the game
Its funny, because the Paz sidequest is EXACTLY what your describing. Its Venom's identity crisis as his real and constructed memories clash with each other combined with his own guilt for not finding the 2nd bomb
>>339295796
Paz is dead
Venom was literally just hallucinating about his dead waifu who never loved him yet got dicked by Chico out of guilt because he blamed everything on himself
>>339295972
>Face it, Kojima just wanted a naked fanservice character and then wrote reasons for it later.
I really respect his ability to think up a reason that a woman would walk around the battlefield like that. Final Fantasy and other games with weird armor could use ideas like that.
>>339295972
>Face it, Kojima just wanted a naked fanservice character and then wrote reasons for it later.
This is the truth
is this game worth 20 bucks? it would be my first MGS title
>>339296197
It actually would have been less embarassing if he said "I wanted a sexy character in my game. Deal."
>>339293024
This is actually really nice
I know people got mad at MGS cutscenes but a few scenes at the end would have been better than just a credit roll
>>339296192
I didn't even know Paz was there. I saw some cutscenes but didn't bother watching all of them because I never really care about Paz and I was bummed out by how the game ended so I had no motivation to keep watching.
>>339296197
>Final Fantasy
I can't think of a single example of a FF character doing that
>>339296353
Its a fun play but you wont understand anything that happens
Though thats not really an issue since you can just play it is an operator simulator while ignoring the story and not miss out on much
>>339296353
Yes. Its a steal at $20. Most of the complaints are that its not a moviegame and actually lets you PLAY
>>339296436
Big mistake, Paz was one of the best arcs of serious storytelling in the entire series
>>339295584
t. mad paleshit
>>339296353
I would say as a stealth game it's worth 20 bucks, but you won't understand a damn thing.
The average female troops were 10x better
>>339296436
So youre just mad the story wasnt what you wanted it to be? Got it.
Im sorry the game didnt end with Big Boss becoming a pixel cartoon villain
>>339296628
>>339293024
> End game with it
> Bonus Chapter follows Venom losing his shit and becoming the Metal Gear Bad Guy.
>>339296628
>mfw I had a bad ass female soldier in Peace Walker with better stats than Big Boss
>No equivalents in V
>Probably died in GZ
RIP Sheep
RIP Sheep.
>>339296710
Big Boss still basically is that villain, though.
MGSV just has a somewhat shitty story. I say that as someone that had enough of Big Boss with MGS3.
>>339297000
>no quiet porn ITT
crying lady liberty.png
>>339296710
Any sort of villain was what he was supposed to become, or rather more so that he might have already been. So yes, I was hoping for Revenge of the Sith, MGSV edition.
>>339297193
Kojima: This game will be the story of how Big Boss became the villain he is in Metal Gear
>Don't even play as Big Boss
>Venom does literally nothing wrong
>go to anime convention yesterday
>titty monster quiet cosplayer walks by
>>339296628
i'd like to put my spunk in that kitten
>>339297000
>MGSV just has a somewhat shitty story
Again, you are saying this because its wholly different from a typical metal gear story. Its a series of episodic vignettes about how words shape identity, culminating in a normie is forced into the role of Big Boss (the player) through suggestion and then builds his legend through playing the game instead of "muh cinematic game"
>>339297285
But they do show it, he fucked off in the ending which already took place in the beginning. Not much of a story though.
>>339291240
Was boring as fuck. She was basically the Easy Mode option.
Could have been replaced with a generic booty girl with actual dialogue and it would have been a massive improvement.
>>339297193
>>339297285
Big Boss's role in the game consists of being an egocentric, manipulative cunt. Being an egocentric, manipulative cunt has always been his defining quality as a villain.
>>339296737
that comic takes place after MG1 and Venom is dying from his battle with Solid Snake
>>339297313
>Didn't ask to take a picture
Faggot.
>>339297285
He's not kicking puppies and killing younglings but he still sets up a protege to take the fall for him to cover up his own fuckups. You know, exactly what the CIA did to the Boss which he was fighting against when he formed MSF.
>>339297313
snap any pics? worthless johnposter
>>339297313
Were you in Durham? I saw her too!
>>339297285
He let Otacon's dad go, that was wrong. Though I suppose with all the good his son did that might be a good thing...
>>339293414
lel
>>339297796
well raleigh but yeah thats the one
>>339297572
I found the dog more easy mode than Quiet. Dog could see through walls, Quiet couldn't do that.
>>339297891
Right Raleigh. I'm sure you saw that Poison Ivy too.
>>339297640
his role consists of getting on a bike and riding into the sunset
>>339297640
Technically wasn't that more Ocelot's doing?
>>339297475
>Again, you are saying this because its wholly different from a typical metal gear story.
I say this because it's boring and lazily written. Skullface's motivations and plans are nonsensical and are an application of the game's thematic content in a heavy-handed and simplistic way that makes even Liquid's obsession over his genetic makeup seem nuanced, Venom's a very boring self-insert, Ocelot exists to do mostly nothing, Kaz is limited to just being grumpy, Eli's inclusion in the game feels like tacked on fanwank (as does Mantis's and certainly Volgin's), and this is completely ignoring the various awkward ways the game fits into the greater continuity. Even on its own terms TPP is a dull mess story-wise. It has its merits, but the story and the presentation of said story aren't part of them.
>>339297870
As Snake said, it wasn't their place to punish him. Better to let him suffer alone with the guilt
>>339297870
Having Huey wallow in his guilt as a depressed cripple for 15 years, then committing suicide after getting cucked by his son is an infinitely more satisfying punishment
This is the best outfit for D-horse.
neat that it completely changes his skillset, too
>>339298235
>>339298202
Big Boss actively escorts Venom through a hospital using various people as shields. Even if didn't devise the plan--Zero and Ocelot did--he was more than a little complicit. He keeps Venom around as his lacky for over ten years, so he couldn't have had severe qualms about it even if he was initially hesitant.
Remember in ground zeroes when they set up Skullface to be the worst villain so far after he had Paz and Chico raped and tortured?
Then in PP he's just a guy with a silly mask.
"WHOOOOOOOOOOO"
>>339298687
Uh, he did a lot more than wear a mask
>>339298604
>using people as shields
When?
>>339298604
I thought they made it pretty clear that he was okay with it
>>339298753
IM BURNING UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP
>>339298801
The entire hospital sequence?
>>339298753
But why does he wear the mask?
>>339298753
Killed a bunch of nig nogs, cheeki breekis and sand fags.
Most patriotic fucker in MGS
>>339298971
They weren't trying to help the hospital staff, but they also didn't use them as shields. If you mean the hallway sequence, they were just trying to get through when the soldiers started firing
>dull shitty character only good thing to come out of a dull shitty game
technically correct
>>339295368
who the FUCK are they to say what a woman should wear?!
Is this sharia law??
>>339299014
probably because dust would get in his eyes and cause an infection.
>"Eyes on Miller"
What was the point of this scene?
>>339299146
Ocelot outright states that the people in the hospital will serve as Big Boss's and Venom's shields. And, unsurprisingly, they're routinely slaughtered in the hunt for Big Boss just as Ocelot planned. They weren't literally shields, but their deaths served the exact same purpose.
>>339292690
no
she's a terrible VA and she can't sing for shit
you joostfags are a bunch of insufferable virgins to boot
>>339299446
I liked the humming.
>>339291240
What?
What's so significant about D-Horse?
>>339298315
>Skullface's motivations and plans are nonsensical and are an application of the game's thematic content in a heavy-handed and simplistic way that makes even Liquid's obsession over his genetic makeup seem nuanced,
MGS has never had subtle villains.
>Venom's a boring self insert
Being a self insert is part of the point as Kojima, like Mgs2, wanted to examine the relationship between player amd avatar. If you dont like it, fine, but thats just your opinion man.
>Ocelot is boring Kaz is grumpy
Ill give you Ocelot but Kaz is great. Hes not a happy go lucky womanizer like in PW but he has enough moments of warmth and levity to keep him from just being a sadsack.
>Eli, Mantis, Volgin
All three fit into the theme of Revenge. Eli and Volgin are pursuing pointless revenge against someone who isnt even their real target. Mantis channels that revenge.
You cant seriously tell me their inclusions here are worse than "dude i was pretending to live in his arm lol" or Mantis pure fanservice "dude remember my boss fight in MGS1" appearance?
>Continuity
Kojima has never cared about continuity and neither should you
>>339299426
So it was Ocelot that planned it out, not Snake
Why does Ocelot act normal in this game, but in every other game he's batshit crazy?
>>339299498
>HMMM HM HM-
>HMMM HM-
>HMMM HM HM HM HMMM HM-
>HMM-
>HMM-
>HMM-
>HMM-
>HMM-
Fuck off. MGO is even worse.
>implying she wasn't put into the game just so she could be the base's cum dump
I bet joosten was kojipro's cum dump as well
>>339299758
"Revolver Ocelot" and "Shalashaska" are carefully constructed identities to strike fear in the hearts of his enemies. When hes with Big Boss he doesnt need to play pretend so he can relax a bit.
>>339299872
But Quiet kinda murdered everyone that made a move on her
>>339299758
Two potential answers
1. He brainwashed himself to believe Venom was Boss and that damaged his personality.
2. The game did Ocelot absolutely no justice and it could have just been any other character from Big Boss' past instead.
>>339299962
option 2, because Ocelot obviously knows who Venom is
>>339300113
They say in the tapes that Ocelot brainwashed himself. Kaz was the only one who knew, which is part of the reason he hates Big Boss in Metal Gear.
Worst MGS girl by far.
Farewell sausage..
>>339300113
Ocelot, after the hospital escape, brainwashes himself to believe Venom is the real Big Boss but has an unexplained trigger so he can eventually remember the Truth.
He genuinely believes Venom is the real deal for most of the game.
>>339299614
>Kojima has never cared about continuity and neither should you
A basic point of story telling is structure.
>Character a does x,
>x is now y because fuck you,
Continually breaking the flow of the story and the history it's built up is not a good thing you stupid bitch. And ignoring it even worse which is why the series has been declining since Solid.
>>339293414
Sorry anon, summer is officially here.
>>339299446
You are absolutely seething right now
>>339299614
>MGS has never had subtle villains.
Correct. But Skullface's plot is heavy-handed and thematically dull even for Metal Gear.
>Being a self insert is part of the point
It is. That doesn't mean it made for a good story, though.
>Kaz is great
His shift in disposition feels natural and true, but his actual role in the story is mostly being Mr. No Fun aside from his initial rumination on loss. He, like Ocelot, is mostly an info dump. That would be fine if there was dynamism elsewhere, but there isn't.
>All three fit into the theme of Revenge
In a very contrived way, yes. They tie into it, but not in a way that's thoughtful. Mantis in particular is superficial. Volgin is much the same. In Eli's case it feels like natural resentment toward the abandonment (and role of) of a parent, but we already had all that in MGS1. MGSV didn't provide much more to chew on.
Liquid being brought back in MGS2 was stupid, and Psycho Mantis in MGS4 was even more stupid, but that doesn't make MGSV any less stupid. MGSV's failures are on MGSV.
>Kojima has never cared about continuity and neither should you
If that were true each game would be wholly new instead of overtly revisiting characters and events. The post-game timelines are a concrete distillation of this. What you're suggesting is Kojima trying to have his cake and eat it too.
>>339295584
Bravo
>>339299664
He still went through with it. He's the one that ensured the plan's success. He's as guilty as Ocelot.
>>339300483
>A basic point of story telling is structure
You are basing this on literature and film which are uninteractive mediums. Video games are different. The interactivity of a game is its own unique language like how film has cinematography. Id much rather Kojima tell a story about the nature of player and avatar than some generic revenge plot to satisfy people's autistic obsessions with a fictional timeline.
Fucking MGS2 ended with Snake telling you that whether events "actually happened" in a fictional medium doesnt matter and whats important is the message and the experiences you had playing the game, idiot.
>>339296197
It's really not as hard as it sounds to come up with bullshit reasons for stupid shit. Most people don't because the explanation often ends up more insulting to the viewer's intelligence than the actual stupid shit, which (some joking aside) is often just taken as something the viewer shouldn't think about too hard.
>>339291867
She really was terrible, especially if you'renot attracted to women
I really wish I would've played Policenauts before MGSV because then I would've seen it coming a mile away
>>339300504
>seething
Is there just one guy defending Joost?
He always uses this word when whiteknighting.
>>339300504
oh man I'll have to get some stoopwaffles for my horses, thanks
>>339300650
>If that were true each game would be wholly new instead of overtly revisiting characters and events.
You act like the entire series isnt built on retcons. Big Boss didnt tell Snake he was his father in Metal Gear 2 but he made it that way because he wanted to tell a story about fate and genetic destiny.
>>339300504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62UzLgdb1GQ
>>339302207
Yeah /v/ is just one person didn't you know?
Birds, in the sky
Carry, these words for me
>>339302419
Sure, but a lot of them are relatively minor or justify themselves in intrigue. Starting with MGS4 (or Portable Ops, if you want to count it) the series started to contrive explanations and scenarios that are outright jarring and undermining. Snake being Big Boss's clone is totally unsupported by MG2, but it doesn't really contradict it either (Big Boss telling Snake he's his father makes the most sense to have occurred in MG2, but it actually could have happened at any time). MGS2 fits naturally enough, and while MGS3 retcons back story from the MSX games and even a line from MGS2 it is pretty minor detailing with little effect on the greater structure of events. MGS4 onward fit awkwardly in a way reminiscent of the Star Wars prequels.
>>339300504
Those things are delicious.
>>339303397
She has a name you know
>>339295368
JOOST
FOOK
MY
SHIT
OOP
>>339303209
>MGS2 fits naturally enough,
I think you missed the enitre point of MGS2 senpai
>>339302918
The hivemind sure makes it seem that way.
>There are people here who don't like Quiet
>>339303886
But it does. It's a very weird game, but all the characters and their motivations and the general plot follow MGS1 in a fluid way, even if the game also includes a lot of meta-narrative elements. The core conflict is a follow-up on Ocelot's post-credits conversation. If the game totally disregarded MGS1 it wouldn't be as effective as it is, "senpai."
>>339304543
Me on the left
>>339304543
>>339305082
uncanny
>>339304418
The events of MGS1 are used to subvert player expectations of a metal gear sequel and provide commentary on the nature of games themselves
You are seeing MGS as a documentary of fictional events and not as a complete video game.
>>339291240
>Not this scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2LNl0iklkA
>"This is the enemy! And he's here on his knees!"
>>339292204
>The Medic twist is the definition of a great idea
That they've done twice already, you goddamn sycophant. Why does kojima still have oblivious fans in [current year]? Have they no self respect?
>fanservice that isn't sexy
>no ass
what the hell was kojima smoking over at konami HQ?
>>339305606
>The events of MGS1 are used to subvert player expectations of a metal gear sequel and provide commentary on the nature of games themselves
Sure are. But MGS2 still works fluently as a sequel in a literal plot sense, even if it's structured in a way that subverts expectations in terms of structure and content. This isn't hard to understand. There isn't a contradiction there.
>You are seeing MGS as a documentary
No, you're just failing to understand that emphasizing one thing in analysis doesn't mean I think thematic ideas elsewhere don't exist. I'm very aware of what MGS2 does. It's my favorite game in the series, along with Metal Gear 2 and Ghost Babel.
FOB is pretty good
Is Ghost Babel worth a playthrough?
>>339307979
Yes. One of my favorites, but if you like MG2 or MGS1 it's more or less like them.
I feel like I was the only one suprised by the act 2 popping up. It didn't quite all add up because I hadn't seen a ton of stuff that was in the trailer but it still felt like such a natural ending I was was shocked when I saw only a portion of the game was complete. Anyone else feel like that?
I feel that is a few additional months had been spent on MGS5, it could have gone from good to great.
Could have fleshed out the final arc and made a real ending.
Could have actually made mother base something really cool. As it is, it is awesome to look at, but that's it. Walking around, it feels dead. Why not add some NPCs you can talk to? Why not create a few "quests" on the base to drive the story? All you can do it drive around and watch soldiers salute you.
They spent a large budget building up the game... and if they had spent 5% more it could have been improved 30%. Really odd choice to release early just to monetize and yet liquidate a good part of the brand's value. If they had just spent a few more months and made a really great game, they would have a platform that they could milk for years to come. REALLY odd choice.
>>339308431
Telling that the biggest complaints of the game have nothing to do with the gameplay
>>339309192
People have made plenty of complaints about the gameplay though. Namely balance and mission variety and/or level design.
>>339309492
nice meme list.
Just because every mission isn't a long scripted hallway doesn't mean the game is bad
>>339300504
YO
Stroopwafels are the shit
>>339309619
>Just because [a bunch of unmentioned shit pulled straight from your ass]
Nice meme post. Feel free to explore the many MGSV threads in an archive. There are things the game does well, but there are legitimate reasons someone might dislike it and plenty of people have talked at length about it. You're still allowed to enjoy something even if other people have problems with it, you know.
