So what was Sega's excuse for not localizing PSO2 if PSO did so well in the West?
Sega is the biggest group of obstinate retards in the entire industry, even Nintendo looks willing to listen to its fans by comparison.
With F2P cash shop shit being all the rage nowadays they could've made an absolute fortune on it here in the West but decided not to bring it over for no reason, made even worse by the fact that the release an actual English version in Southeast Asia.
For fucks sake this is the same company that literally sabotaged their North American branch for out-performing them.
every game that sega has released in the west that isnt sonic has sold like shit. this is what you western pigs deserve
>>339288796
which is a shame because I loved Virtual On and PSO :(
>>339287990
I really don't understand it there is big install base on ps4 and ofc a big pc base. They even have an english language version avaliable already, surely they would only have to pay for the servers to do an online release in the west.
They know that without their anime collab garbage the game has fucking nothing to it. It doesn't deserve its name.
>>339288796
It's Sega's fault their games didn't sell.
>pso did so well in the west
lol
>>339287990
Do you want to know the truth? Why they won't?
Its because of the US fans.
When PSO2 launched in Japan, many of the hardcore players from PSO/PSU in the US, primarily those on the pso-w forums, got into the beta, and into the full game. They wanted to try it, and get a head start. They had all signed a petition to SOA so that when PSO2 came over, it would all be on the same servers!
Then Sega told them no, that they wouldn't be unified servers, because that would be dumb. Fearing a repeat of PSU and to a degree PSO, where the US servers would lag behind on content, and special tie-in content would be cut, they lashed out, DDoS'ing Sega for two weeks straight. Sega, sick of it, IP blocked everyone outside of Japan. Some people got around the IP block, continuing to cause any trouble they could, such as moving player character models to spots outside of what was possible on the ship, and reporting those id's for hacking. Sega implemented a ban-on-sight rule for their GMs, anyone outside of Japan was just gone, anyone suspected of it was gone. Period.
Sega canned the idea of bringing PSO2 over to the US shortly after that, never quite updating SOA of that so they could simply not deal with the questions.
SEGA has some really good IPs that were built up throughout the Saturn/Dreamcast era. It's a shame since PSO2 imo looks a little too stale compared to the PSO1 designs. I guess the company would rather churn out sonic games than actually work on bringing back IPs in a new interesting light.
>>339287990
PSU's western release being an absolute shitshow
>>339293341
They tried all throughout last gen reviving and making new IPs kid. And you know what happened? Those sonic games crushed them all in one sales. Sonic unleashed or fuck sonic 06 even outsold 3 revives or original IPs from sega last gen.
Shut the fuck up, you dont know shit.
>>339288681
>literally sabotaged their North American branch for out-performing them.
When was this, or what's the gist of what happened?
PSO has always been the red-headed stepchild in the west:
>Dreamcast 1.0 version littered with cheaters out the ass, making it literally unplayable.
>Version 2 having MMO pay to play pricing when the original was free. Also the only version that was playable without cheaters (mostly).
>General lack of events VS the Japanese version for all versions of the game.
>Shit server support in the west.
>PSU being released in the state it was and having next to no updates when the Japanese one had tons more.
Add in all the other stupid shit Sega has done, and that is why we do not have it.
>>339294224
Maybe if the garbage ass english players didnt hack the servers and piss of japanese, they would have never split the server. you do realize thats the cause of it all right? how v1 on DC was totally global and hackers ruined it? Blame the shitty player base, not sega. Act like niggers, get treated like second class customers kek
>>339294373
>hack the servers
I didn't realize plugging a Game Shark into your DC counted as "hacking the servers"
>>339295709
Freezing consoles, deleting characters, and stealing weapons is kind of hacking yeah
How fucking stupid do you have to be to not know what the results would be. Japan always ALWAYS puts their players ahead. They are nationalistic and loyal to their main customers before all else. And some retards thought destroying the servers and shitting on jap players would lead to good results. Fucking christ people are retarded
>>339287990
F2P games require completely different monetization models in different regions to be successful, both because of laws regarding gambling on digital content and habits of consumers.
>>339296041
name one game where amerilards didn't ruin it by hacking
>>339293748
Don't know the full story, but I think I read before that that the Japanese branch was butthurt that Genesis was more successful in North America than Japan. Might have just been a rumor, can't remember it that well.
>>339296041
>Japan always ALWAYS puts their players ahead
If that was true then all they had to do was split the regions not allow Western players to play with Nips
>>339296495
They did exactly that starting with pso v2. I guess the whole global thing was an experiment to see how baka gaijins would react and surprise surprise, there was shitheads wrecking other players and killing them with fucking resta.
>>339296432
Amerilards ruin console games with hackers
Yuropoors ruin PC games with hackers
Asia is the only region that isn't depraved enough to hack
I would have literally killed a man to play on the Japanese servers during the Blue Burst and Univserse era, so suck it the fuck up and learn to input a Japanese capcha
>>339296670
>he didnt play PSU JP during its prime
My nigger you missed out on one of the best online experiences ever. im fucking sorry
>>339296635
People of different languages usually hate playing with each other in online games except for a small minority. Final Fantasy XI had global servers but most shitters from both Japan and US just refused to attempt playing with anyone but their own kind, so now FFXIV has different servers for different regions.
>>339296865
What was so good about it compared to PSO2?
>>339292091
In fairness, their fears were pretty much justified. A western PSO2 server would just have higher prices and still be on the beginning of EP2 at this point, with no good events in a game that only survives because of it's events.
>>339297043
Better hubs, variety, more classes, content. You hunted and made weapons. More to do other than wait for EQs. Very creative and fast paced events, better online story. PSU was so much better than pos2
>>339297043
It was a good game.
>>339297043
The updates were probably worth it unlike the ones we've been getting now with Ep4
>>339293658
Name a few that were new when 06 and unleashed dropped
>>339296291
>tfw Korea has huge amounts of gambling laws
>DFO still gets away with blatant gambling in every aspect of the game
i hope that some day, the more predatory casino type monetization in F2Ps face a huge lawsuit in which they are forced to refund all the transactions processed, going bankrupt shortly after
i know it will never happen, but it would be glorious to watch hundreds of shitty f2p companies go down the drain
>>339293341
You do realize that none of your precious Dreamcast IPs would even exist if Sega had spent that era trying to revive Mega Drive IPs instead?
Not everything good has to have a sequel to be worth it.
>>339287990
Gaming then and now aren't the same you fucktard. I'm glad they aren't localizing it for illiterate shits like you that don't know how to patch.
When is Phantasy Star Nova coming to the US?
>>339287990
You do realize the last incarnation of PSO1 in the west was fucking eaten alive by WoW right? It was not a success at all by the end
>>339298316
Thankfully never since you don't know how to play Phantasy Star games in Japanese.
>>339298316
Ya know we could have at least had that as consolation for heeling left out of Pso2
>>339297513
Condemed, outrun 2006, sega rally 2006, yakuza , super monkey ball adventure/banana splitz, feel the magic, virtua fighter 5
2008: valkyria chronicles, sands of destruction, nights journey of dreams, samba de amigo, rez HD, phantasy star portable I think
Just off the top of my head. There was probably more on xbla that I missed. Renegade ops is an awesome game but I forgot what year that was. 2009 or 10 maybe
>>339298541
Those were all shit. Any good ips?
>>339298603
>gives list
>its shit anyway bro!!
You probably go in wii u or ps4 threads, ask the same thing, and give the same response
Well? Go on, take it. Take that damn (you) that (you) craved after
>>339298541
>It's a "Sega doesn't rehash their IPs as much as Nintendo or Asscreed so they MUST not care" meme.
Sega has incredible variety and a mix of old and new IP for a floundering non-mainstream third party publisher
I love Sega. They make incredible IPs with great gameplay and vision.
However, they suck at business and they have a hateboner for the west. It's like getting physically abused by your hero. It hurts.
>>339298765
Nigger i hope youre not saying i think sega is bad. Those were just games from 2006 and 2008 that i bought. Sega is and always will be favorite publisher
>>339296670
JP captcha isnt the problem, sure its a little tedious to do it quickly if you can't quite identify the characters, I personally find the lack of a lot of item descriptions my problem with PSO2 right now. It's hard to tell what some random things do without learning some moon and I just dont have the time to do that.
>>339287990
this has been answered before but its a contract issue. Ironic given its normally Sega handing out shitty contracts (guilty gear!) but they cannot distribute PSO2 online in the west via steam.
Steam isn't the be all, end all but for some reason Sega seem hung up on that detail.
If you must play it, its fucking amazeballs (while you are on the nostalgia-trip) but its nothing like PSO1. Which is GOOD because its so much better! But gaming and you as a person have moved on.
You will never be that wide eyed youngling, running runs on hard with your lv1 character because it gives shit tons of exp
Or avoiding episode 2 jungle because it was fucking shit and had insta-death monkeys
I played pso2 for 3 months straight and while it is great, in a lot of ways I as a person have changed. I still own PSO1 and thanks to the Wii I can boot it up but I just don't. The good times and good memories came from the friends I made playing it alongside, not from the game itself.
Yamato in 6 minutes.
>>339298603
>shit
You fucking double nigger, Outrun 2006 and Sega Rally 2006 were amazing
>>339299091
>The good times and good memories came from the friends I made playing it alongside, not from the game itself.
Yep
>>339299170
Thats a terrible eq
Thats the problem with pso2. The only content worth playing is the eqs. PSO had the same problem, only thing worth doing was ttf or rt. PSU is the only one that got mission variety right thanks to boards and materials being nicely spread out across missions
>>339299369
>Thats a terrible eq
Nah, it's okay. Just too easy. Could use a rework.
>>339298541
>>339298603
Also holy fuck im retarded...were in a phantasy star thread and i forgot that PSU came out in october 2006. so that too. Day one xbox 360 motherfuckers
>>339294224
This. From this bullshit and a lot of the Ragnarok Online bullshit I've learned to never, ever try and fall in love with another Asian MMO that's ported separately to the West.
Fuck them.
>>339299515
Even Western MMOs that are published by Asian companies are not even safe.
Fucking Gooks killed City of Heroes even thought it was turning a profit
>>339294224
how would a psu private server like pso's ephinea server fair? assume that it has all the jap content
>>339287990
Heyo, I actually wrote an article about this!
You're actually wrong - PSO bombed in the west. Nowhere did it sell well, and Sega/Sonic Team caught a shit ton of flack. Their support was awful for the product - the servers were offline for maintenance a lot, they would crash frequently, there was little to no GM support (remember all that hacked shit on Xbox and GameCube?), and Sega was bad. Like, so bad that when you went to cancel your Hunter's License, a plurality of the time you would either not receive a message confirming your cancellation or it would continue to bill.
Sega probably isn't going to officially support PSO2 anywhere else except Japan because they know that they probably have shitty customer service, and don't want to stretch themselves thin when they can be perfectly happy milking Nippon for its yen.
>>339299728
psu probably wont be getting a private server, and if it does, it will only have base AOTI content and gas and events will never come back. everything pre GAS will be all thats there
>>339299741
isn't pso2 mainly not coming over because a chinese company pays them not to
>>339298603
>Super monkey ball
>Shit
Fuck outta here
>>339298541
The issue with why those fail were that they were not only were they hardly advertised, most or them were Xbla exclusives and the mass majority of Xbox owners were casual as fuck only content with big shooters, they should have prioritized making them for the ps3 where thier owners were more open minded to different genres at the time
>>339299369
TTF/RT was the best quest for leveling/boss hunting but if you were hunting for anything else you would specifically go to whatever mission had the most/easiest access to whichever enemy drops what you want, not to mention the episode 4 stuff
>>339299669
Holy shit I forgot about that. Jesus christ it still hurts.
>>339299728
Well, let's just start from the ground-up; the main PSU server, Clementine, got taken down because the developer is a cuckold and has to move out of his girlfriend's house within 2 months or something. So while the people behind the project keep promising that it's going well, the fact of the matter is that the server got taken down and that is jeopardizing the entire health of the project due to people not being able to see progress, or getting the answers they want.
>>339299457
I've always wondered if at any point in time, the Xbox 360 trial had more players than the actual live server of PSU.
>>339299861
I really can't say, but I do know that PSO failed really bad in the West. The longest time any server was up was 5 years, and that was the Xbox version. The Xbox version was so bad, the Halloween lobby was up for the better part of 9 months. I still know Weird Night by fucking heart.
>>339299852
I honestly never played psu, how was it content wise pre GAS? I've only played pso/pso2/psz/psp2i so use those as references of content
>>339300008
At the time of release I found it quite a bit worse than PSO, it didn't have the elegant simplicity and people just grinded the same mission over and over because it gave the most efficient Job Exp.
I hear it got a lot better, but I had already given up.
>>339300008
Content-wise, it was pretty okay. The game was not worth the monthly subscription fee they were asking for, but it was essentially a much more casualized, newbie-friendly version of PSO. The controls weren't as stiff, but it just had so much less heart than PSO. Less monsters and chaos.
Oh, there was also a really fucked-up endgame because you just crafted everything and grinded everything and prayed to god you didn't have to start the process fresh.
Bad Phantasy Star Online game, pretty decent dungeon crawler in its own right.
>>339300008
its somewhere around psp2. just psp2. but its missing anything new that was in psu aoti (the expansion). gas was all about being max level and getting extra points to specialize in your chosen class and make it even stronger. that update hit in...2010 i wanna say? after the pc/ps2 servers went off around.
if you're ever bored you can reference this. http://psupedia.info/Updates.html
i think may 2010 is the cut off. the japanese servers were light years ahead in updates and events.
It's a shame the PSU private server is dead. I did enjoy the melee combat in PSU but the misson system was horrible.
Being in moonland for pso2 was ok for a while but the english patch was so shoddy and caused problems it wasn't worth effort.
It be really nice if PSO2 had a proper US server but it will never happen. Sega hates the west, hates money and at this point the west is sick of the shit pratices of eastern mmorpgs.
>claims to like vidya
>doesn't learn Japanese
It's your own fucking fault tbfh
>>339299882
Well sega and microsoft were best buds all through the xbox and early on xbox 360.
I JUST REMEMBERED ANOTHER FUCKING MASTERPIECE IN 2006
CHROMEHOUNDS. God damn that game had the best online ever, fuck if you didnt play chromehounds in its prime you missed out
>>339300536
>haha theyre saving money
>haha they hate money xD
Kys
>>339300536
I-it's not dead! T-things are going on behind the scenes! T-they got an enemy frozen, and there's e-even a gallery on the Clementine forum where y-you can see this! We promise!
>the actual response I got from the Clementine Discord
>>339300557
What the fuck would anyone ever need to speak Japanese for, other than being a worthless cunt?
>>339292091
>they lashed out, DDoS'ing Sega for two weeks straight.
was funny when they made the fucking counter NPCs in the lobbies spawn too far behind the counters to interact with. Literally made missions unplayable. Jap devs are so retarded to let outside connections dictate where an NPC is supposed to be located.
>>339300375
What are your thoughts on post expansion PSU and PSO2?
>>339300820
Never touched either of them since I had kind of grown up by that point and moved on to PC gaming/WoW. Never will play PSO2, either. I probably got to level 80 on my Beast on the 360 PSU servers over the period of a summer (maybe an extra season or two I signed up just for fun, but I don't recall any periods where I played for a long period of time other than the initial burst around 2007)
>>339300694
>haha theyre saving money
never said this at all.
>>339301896
by not bringing over a sinking ship and failed product, they are losing money.
so by your logic, saving money to them means they hate money. you they le hate money xD cucks are so retarded lmao, thinking you know the market and estimated revenue streams more than them.
>>339300694
That's what it is though,look at all the gimmicks Ep4 brought, them pretty much miking every cent from the modest player base they have now when could have localized, had a bigger fan base and not have to resort to the mobile tier practices they are doing now
>>339302281
Fact of the matter is the the cashshop system was doing fine at the time when PSO2 should of been brought over.
At release and for a while PSO2 was hyped enough that it was not a failed procuct and a large western fanbase wanted it brought over.
But hype dies over time and refusing to do so means they wasted an oppertunity and lost potential sales. Look at Yakuza 5. They delayed a translation for too long and lost money from the west because interest died.
A company that doesn't release it's product to a consumer that want it, hates money. Its pretty simple to understand.
>>339302357
No they fucking couldnt you retard. There is a bias against sega. 1000 autists on the english server wouldnt do shit. They just expanded onto ps4 with a new episode and content even if it sucks. Theyre doing fine and better than ever without english players
>>339298943
Sega, as a company, has NO vision, which is part of their problem, both recently and historically. They just hire competent people and hope everything works out, randomly butting in to fuck shit up whenever the mood strikes them. It's no coincidence that they went from major player to basically dead outside of Japan within a single console generation. They operate purely by whimsy, logic and sense are beyond them. If they weren't so lucky, they'd have choked to death by now.
