People forget that GZ's and TPP make MGSV, not just TPP.
This in mind, was MGSV a disappointment?
as a part of the overall story and what's supposed to be the final chapter that blends everything together?
yes.
the gameplay is top-notch, though.
I was disappointed of MGSV. GZ was a nice game though. Would've loved to see more bases like Camp Omega in MGSV.
>>339274664
Counting GZ and TPP as one game doesn't change anything.
MGSV still started off great, and quickly became complete dog shit.
>>339274664
I love TPP and GZ was pretty good.
If these are "one game" why did I have to pay a total of $100 for it?
Why did TPP have a tutorial at the start if I already knew the controls from GZ?
I don't have buyers remorse for either and I fucking adore TPP from a gameplay standpoint but I disagree with this.
>>339274664
>mgs1
>mgs2
>mgs3
>mgs4
>mgsV
Kojimbles is a mastermind
>>339274664
Yes, because GZ was completely different to how TPP is. And thank fucking god for that.
Ground Zeroes could have been a movie and we'd have got the exact same experience.
>>339274664
>People forget that GZ's and TPP make MGSV, not just TPP.
What difference does that make? GZ is just a raindrop in the ocean that is TPP
MGSV is the best in the series.
>>339274664
the $40 ten minutes of gameplay GZ had offered better level design that 90% of TPP.
TPP had way too little content for such a big, long game, so they filled it with huge amounts of padding like repetitive missions, 50 different iterations of the same 3 missions, and the base system because normies love grinding the same menial tasks over and over again for hours if it means unlocking a slightly more powerful version of their assault rifle.
MGSV was the only game in the series with perfect controls, yet ironically its the second worst game in the series
>>339275275
It's not supposed to be 5.
I wasn't delusional enough to expect anything incredible after 4 and PW, and GZ just lowered my expectations for TPP even further.
So no, not really. It was alright.
Its a great game with a lacking story.
Initially I didnt have much trouble with the story either, aside from the lack of strong boss characters and fights. It wasnt until I realised that chapter 30 wasnt the beginning of the final arc of the game, but rather the final true mission of the game that it started to dawn on me what a botchjob the story was. Until the end I hoped that some twist would come, Skull face would survive and the story would keep going, but instead act 2 came a long, which ironically made it much worse since it was so strange and stitched together. Unresolved plot lines, nonsensical missions and the final slap in the face with the discovery that you never played as Big boss at all ruined it completely.
My theory is that the fallout between Kojima and Konami prevented them from finishing the game properly and Kojima, sensing that MGSV wasnt a satisfying conclusion to the Big Boss saga decided on the "Venom snake" plot twist late in development. In the end we have a weird filler game which looks and plays excellent, but has almost no tie ins to the MGS lore at all, aside from some things with cypher and Liquid.
For me personally it was a disappointment, yeah.
GZ was an awesome prologue. The main mission really felt like Metal Gear Solid for me. Especially liked the Camp Omega map and even the side missions were great and diverse. In addition, Skullface really felt like a threat and the whole game had a kind of mystery to it.
But then we got TPP. The first few hours were fun. The mysterious hospital sequence, rescuing Kaz, doing some side missions until the Quiet and Huey missions, that was all fun. But then the story just went nowhere, nothing really happened. Most of the 'main missions' were useless filler missions and the side missions were insulting. Both the main and the side missions in Ground Zeroes were so much better and showed how the game should've been in the end. That fillershit could've been bearable, though, if the ending really was the concluding sendoff to the franchise, but the second half of the game was even weaker than the first half and left me disappointed during the credits.
I think TPP would've been much better if they ditched the Open World and focused on a few big maps similar to Camp Omega and also focused on fewer, but much better and more diverse side missions instead.
>>339274664
Gameplaywise: No.
Storywise: Yes.
>>339276520
But there have always been two big bosses
>>339275862
what does V stand for, if not 5
>>339274664
I just finished replaying Ground Zeroes and its shocking just how much better it is.
>Less weapons and supplies
>Far more guards than in the biggest base in TPP
>Music is far better
>Actual level design
>Playing as the real Big Boss
>Paz
>>339277165
Venom
>>339277168
>Paz
Paz shows up more in TPP.
At any rate, I'm kinda annoyed that you don't actually get to return to Camp Omega in TPP and it's only in MGO 3.
>>339277165
Venom.
Peace Walker is the real MGS5.
>>339277247
>>339277304
So what, V is considered a spinoff to you?
It was still great, but it definitely felt lacking in a few areas. Story sucked, basically no boss fights, basically no indoor areas. I'd pay for DLC that adds the last 2.
>>339277270
Well, Kojima had something planned for Camp Omega and the singleplayer, but for whatever reason it didn't make it into the final game.
On PC, the Ground Zeroes folder gets updated with your TPP save every time you quit the game.
>>339277165
It stands forpeace.NOWGODISARM
>>339277391
No, but I guess Kojima was pissed or too proud to name TPP MGS5, because for him, Peace Walker is 5. He wasn't allowed to use a numeral for Peace Walker in the end, though.
They shouldve made the base building a bit more distinct, with less departments, fewer resources and more direct feedback on the decisions you make. The number of guns and upgrades is pretty overwhelming too, which is a good and a bad thing.
>>339277518
Did that nuclear disarment ending ever get legitimately triggered?
>>339274664
>Playing MGS2 Vita after MGSV
>Controls suck ass
>>339277438
Too bad Konami are hacks that care more about money with PES and Pachinko than good games.
>>339277518
You can tell that Hideo has a hard on for disarming nukes
>>339275862
>>339277247
>>339277304
>this is what Kojimadrones really believe
>>339274664
Yes because you go into TPP with the expectation it will be like GZ
>>339277724
>>339277724
https://twitter.com/hideo_kojima_en/status/637435774162436101?lang=en
>>339277165
Cuck
>>339275862
>>339277247
>>339277304
You fuckers are in denial like no other.
>>339277891
>Not MGS5, but MGSV. My thought in it. V has come to.
What did he mean by this?
>>339274664
>This in mind, was MGSV a disappointment?
it's even worse
>>339277165
Peace
Victory
Vengeance
Venom (not a real metal gear)
It looks like two overlapping exclamation points.
They were too ambitious with the open world levels full of nothingness. They should have done several main missions with their own maps like Camp Omega that you could revisit for the side missions.
TPP should have had maps like omega camp instead of the open-world gimmick
>>339278065
Since it doesn't star Big Boss or any of his sons, and it has so little plot, Kojima himself says it's a filler episode
>>339277672
Not once.
>>339277673
His anti-nuclear agenda has never been so obfuscating. Also, Vita doesn't replace a Dualshock too well.
>>339277724
>>339278012
Drone? I couldn't hate that pretentious faggot more.Nevertheless, none of us finished the goddamn game.
Played the fuck out of GZ, put 11 hours into it and had a blast doing so. Then there was a decent gap before TPP dropped and I did buy it at release. I've only put like 8 hours into it and I am barely anywhere, it's fun but I don't know I just fell off it.
I'll get back on it eventually but I regret the money I spent in the mean time, even if I did get it for a decent price not too far after release.
I'm watching the gameplay demos from 2014 right now and it's kind of nuts how much they toned down or had to scrap before the release.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv-5EbCI0OA
A lot of weird emphasis too. Like how they're constantly showing off the Phantom Cigar. Apparently you were originally supposed to be vaping trees during the gameplay, constantly switching day to night and back, but in the end you never use it for anything because you can simply deploy during whatever is your preferred time and not fuck around with that mechanic.
>>339278213
This, I prefer a map full of hidden stuff that you couldn't find on one go with possible side approaches (unlike metal gear 3 which was a YOU MUST GO THROUGH THIS PATH ONLY) instead of a lifeless open world with reused assets
>>339278475
>Played the fuck out of GZ
>put 11 hours into it
Ground zeroes got me hyped for detailed levels, V gave me open trash metal gear solid is dead to me
>>339274664
I got 5 € extra on Steam after buying TPP from the sale. So far I've enjoyed it a lot for 13 hours. Should I buy GZ too?
>>339278596
I mean is there much more to do after you beat it...? I did replay it some but yeah I had a good time. Thats a lot of time for me in an MGS game, maybe thats why V felt so daunting.
>>339278601
Yeah I kind of agree, I don't hate the setting or the openess, but it was quite the contrast from the Omega base.
>>339274664
>This in mind, was MGSV a disappointment?
It's worse after seeing how fucking great was GZ
>>339278556
There looked to be a bigger focus on patrol times and a larger amount of guards in the bases, which would've incentivize sneaking in between shifts. But now there's barely any guards so there's no reason to bother with that.
I was extremely upset at metal gear solid V the phantom pain.
>>339277391
>>339277724
>>339278012
>Vee, V, VEE, Vee....
>V has come to.
It's right fucking there, in the intro for the game.
It's Metal Gear Solid Venom, that was part of the ruse. Otherwise why would you even change it in the first place.
Gz is my favorite mgs game, 10/10
>>339274664
Why are we still having these threads? how many times can you faggots say "was MGSV bad?" and get a large percentage in favour of "yes" do you need before it fucking sinks in?
why is the game so cheap all of a sudden? and a sale too
>>339279450
Could be more DLC coming up.
Most likely MGO shit.
>>339274664
i feel like gameplay is lacking something beside that how the story went is just bad
>>339279665
is the online still alive?
>>339274664
Even though the story was lacking in a lot of areas, episode 43 was probably my favorite part. That said, does anyone have a clip of the soldiers humming without the music? I like how hauntingly chilly that part was.
But Quiet though
kinda wished they ditch old gen console version but i won't able to play it neither but still maybe the game could develop much better
GZ nailed it
TPP didn't
I don't like the idea of mgs being open world
>>339280439
How old are you?
>>339280671
100 nigger
>>339280726
You do know 4chan is for ages 18+?
>>339280661
>GZ nailed it
>no humor
>no box
>no codec
>no gadgets or weird shit to use
>no guard AI
>no bosses
>no soundtrack
GZ was a hell of a lot better than MGSV but shit it was still a shell of a title.
>>339277168
It's too bad Kojima didn't realize he had constraints to work with like he did for GZ. The missions felt more unique in GZ, and there were those fun joke missions too. And of course both were lacking in TPP.
It probably would've been better without being open world, or at least not so huge.
After watching Phone Booth I'm fucking assmad
Kiefer has such a good, deep voice. And Kojima completely ignored it. What the fuck.
>>339280984
>>no humor
The two Extra Ops missions would beg to differ
>>339281501
They're not integrated into the main mission though and are optional side content, by humor I meant main game antics.
>>339274664
>I know that TPP is shit, but maybe /v/ will say it's good if I put it with GZ.
>>339277168
>Playing as the real Big Boss You sure about that? Why doesn't big boss in the beginning of gz know Chico is in camp omega?
>>339282549
He does
>>339276520
>decided on the "Venom snake" plot twist late in development
the twist was decided as far back as 2012. Ishmael existing and having the same voice as Big Boss serves no other purpose.
>>339274854
I actually like the story of the game itself but agree that it's a poor wrap up of the entire franchise's story. It feels more like a stand-alone game rather than the conclusion to the franchise.
>>339277165
the V is a visual metaphor for a myriad of things
>a nuclear explosion
>conflict
>the initial chain of conflict that leads to war
>the meeting point of two people becoming one (Venom/Naked Snake)
>the mirror in the Truth ending
>Ocelot and Big Boss at the end of Truth going their separate ways
>the link between the artist and the viewer (in this case Kojima and the player) it's like an alchemical symbol for the game itself
>>339282675
Why does he ask so who's the other target?
>>339282801
MGS4 was more of a conclusion to the franchise. MGSV is more like the conclusion of Big Boss as a protagonist and his side of the story.
>GZ had the best stealth mission ever made
>TPP was an action game where you can find unlimited ways to have fun
MGSV was a pretty great package
>>339277518
>>339277672
>when you make a 30 hour long Chapter 3 that concludes and wraps the series, but no one can unlock it
storywise it is a disappointment
gameplay wise it is probably the best stealth/action game I have ever played
>>339277438
I wanted a vertical urban level, something that put the climbing mechanics to a good use. Some abandonded european city with lots of high buildings, and many snipers.
And no, Motherbase infiltrations don't count as urban environments.
>In MGS3, it's mentioned that Snake is an expert in urban infiltration.
>Not a single game in the franchise involves urban environments that aren't destroyed or abandoned.
>>339284121
The only one I never played.
Fuck you Kojima for having Sony's cock so far up your ass.
>>339283921
that was why i was so excited about the idea of a game about The Boss. urban infiltration of Nazi controlled cities during WWII. it would have been a real step forward for the franchise which hasn't done anything like that before. the closest thing was chapter 3 of MGS4 but there were no interiors. chapter 1 was pretty close but interiors were pretty sparse, and it was a fucking war zone.
i wanna sneak through Paris at night and help the resistance while trying to avoid Nazi patrols trying to enforce curfews.
>>339274854
>the gameplay is top-notch though.
Mediocre stealth gameplay = top notch guis!
>>339280984
>GZ no soundtrack
I can faintly remember the alert and caution themes for ground zeroes well
but i can barely remember anything for the phantom pain aside from words that kill or the man that sold the world as for composed music i can really only remember the skull fight music
i'm probably wrong on everything but why the fuck was there no slider for the music i would have been able to remember more music if they just let us turn the music volume up
>>339284121
This level has literally no verticality until the boss fight though.
Also no snipers.
Or gun battles that aren't a rail shooter.
>>339284263
ps3 is dirt cheap now anon. get one with the MGS legacy collection and you're all set
>>339284343
GZ had the Paz extraction theme, which was very good.
For me, MGS ends with Metal Gear Solid 4. Simply because Kojima wanted it to in the first place, before Konami milked him.
>>339284504
I wanted to buy a PS4 so I could play all the PS3 games I couldn't.
But Sony came with that BRILLIANT idea of no backwards compatibility.
>>339284654
He wanted to end it with MGS2, though.
>>339274854
It's not though. That was what 4 was meant to be. This is MGS V(enom) NOT MGS 5.
>>339274664
No. It makes the first 2 hours of MGSV amazing and the rest a giant piece of shit.
>>339284738
Actually it's because sony is retarded and used that super special snowflake CPU for the PS3, and even the PS2 before that, that just makes backwards compatibility impossible.
But its worth 20e. Yes?
>>339283853
It's got to be connected with Camp Omega, also known as "the map we already made, along with obnoxious though more fleshed out side quests, but which we apparently could not rehash in this game" zone.
I don't wish for it to be incredibly long, I simply want it to be different from what we have so far.
>>339280984
>>no soundtrack
You're a dumb fucking nigger
https://youtu.be/494uunKrvLQ
>>339283853
maybe you shouldn't have made the unlock condition obviously impossible you godforsaken gook
>>339284287
this might help scratch that itch, it's ok (solid 7/10)
