Is Champion Gundyr the single greatest Souls boss of all time?
>>339263180
He wasn't bad but I dont get all the hype for him. He's just Iudex Gundyr without the monster transformation. I killed him first try on my first playthrough easily, then hoped I would see something I missed or something on my second playthrough but offed him first try as well.
I'm not saying difficulty = quality or anything, but this guy's design wasn't particularly interesting and he was so easy that I just really don't get the hype.
>>339263909
I feel this is the case for the majority of DS3 bosses.
The only one I liked was Twin Princes.
He's pretty good.
>>339263180
I still like Artorias the most. Gundyr was good though, even though he was just Iudex with a few new moves.
CANT STAMP THE CHAMP
>>339263909
I think the appeal is that he's just a normal guy that uses a lot of martial arts and cool moves, he doesn't have any special powers but he also doesn't fight like any other enemy in the game. There's an air of surpassing your predecessor since he was supposed to be the Champion of Ash before he slept in, and you fight him in a world of darkness. It's actually similar to the appeal of the fight with Gherman.
Ludwig is the actual coolest Souls boss though.
>>339263180
He has some pretty cool moves but he's nowhere near as interesting or fun as the Fume Knight or a bunch of others
He's also piss easy if you know how to roll properly
>yfw he first did the roundhouse kick
>>339264385
>He's also piss easy if you know how to roll properly
Good job you just described every Souls boss in the entire series.
>>339263180
>gayass crown
>estoc instead of CSR
Bitchboy deserves Champion But hole's punishment.
>>339264401
I play the game on a toaster, if it can even be called that more like an open fire with a bit of car grill on it and in my first fight with him he glitched out and attacked the wall for the first 15 seconds, watching him dynamically roundhouse kick a crack in the masonry was pretty cool though
Seath was the epitome of difficulty in soulsborne games, no boss has truimphed him, fuck curses and AoE attacks that go undermeath your shield holy fuck
This boss is shit fucking naked dragon faggot white cumdrake
>>339264517
Congratulations you use one of the objectively shittiest weapons in the game, have fun with your item drops though
>I actually played through using the even shittier Farron Greatsword
gundyr is so epic. did you guys know that he can kick you? i wish i could play as gundyr that would be so epic
>>339264754
>this person beat O&S
Nah, Ludwig is if we include BB
Gundyr is the best fight in 3 but I still don't think hes that great
No, he's considered the pinwheel of DS3.
>>339264801
>have fun with your item drops though
I know, life is suffering. The weapon is so shit to balance the PvE buff that does nothing in PvP. I also have lmao2offhandstaves. But i developed a weird addiction to using shit or weird stuff. I am just not happy if not using something retarded. My next character I am working on will be 22hp/s regen gimmick. Though luckily I am forced to use one of the top tier weapon for it, so I might even do damage this time.
I mean fuck, I am considering lifehunt miracle build. Send help.
>first week DS3 was out
>tell friend about the champ fight
>"lol anon that guy was super easy and forgettable"
>turns out he cheesed the ever living fuck out of him by summoning and lobbing fireballs at him
there are 4 bosses from Bloodborne that curbstomp Gundyr in terms of fun and difficulty
>Orphan of Kos
>Ludwig
>Gherman
>Gascoigne
>>339265187
>lifehunt miracle build
Just buff your scythe with DMB and cast LHscythr and you got a viable build maybe, or use lightning blade but that is thematically weird, also Black eye ring(hp on kill) whatever the name, aldrich ruby and pontiff left eye, could be fun actually
>>339264281
>DS2 is shit on for having armored guys with swords
>When Miyazaki does it, he is lauded as the best souls boss ever
Souls drones are such fucking retards
>Try and do a Gundyr cosplay for Invasions
>Forget that armor weighs a metric fuck ton in this game and even with Havel's Ring +2 and Ring of Favor +2 you still need to pump ridiculous amounts of VIT
I hate this game
>>339265746
Working as intended :^)
>>339264401
Those fucking kicks
>>339265635
the armored fights in dark souls 2 are bad because they're all imitating artorias and don't actually do anything new.
I remember Dancer, Champ, Abyss Watchers far better than I do Veldstadt, Fume Knight or Throne Watcher/Throne Defender.
>>339265746
I'm level 40 and can use it while fatrolling with neither havels or fap, I made the sacrifice of mobility to be a tank and aggro-fuck, wep art to punish chug, it hits for 300-400 at sl 35 thats huge, killed a host and 2 phantoms AND and invader once by charging in and cleaning up,
My most succesful cosplay yet atleast, gudyr at lvl 30 with a +2 wep was fun as fuck too
>>339263180
OFFICIAL LIST OF GOD TIER BOSSES, IF YOUR FAVORITE BOSS IS PART OF THIS LIST YOUR AN ALRIGHT GUY:
Maneaters
Flamelurker
Old Hero
Allant
Old Monk
Maiden Astraea
Ornstein and Smough
4K
Sif
Sanctuary Guardian
Artorias
Manus
Kalameet
Executioner's Chariot
Darklurker
Fume Knight
Ivory King
Gascoigne
Amelia
Wet Nurse
Ebrietas
Gherman
Ludwig
Maria
Orphan
Artorias PVP Fanclub
Sully
Aldritch
Nameless King
Dragonslayer Armor
Twin Princes
Soul of Cinder
The Champ
so /v/ how do i git gud at parry
>>339266047
>4K
>god tier
lmao
>>339266047
>4k
>maria
>good
>>339265409
>Kos
>Fun
Replace him with Maria
>>339264161
why is this happening
>>339266168
>Fighting ringwraiths in a pitch black void
>The way they spawn miles away and Allant-zoom up to you
>That tense rush as you try to keep them one at a time and one comes up before you've killed the other one
4 Kings is the most underrated Souls boss.
>>339266419
This is the extra hard Gundyr, WWE SMACKDOWN GUNDYR, that you fight when you continue the game through the Untended Graves Firelink, and discover SUPER Untended Graves throught the Untended Graves Firelink. A world within a world within a world. You need to equip Chloranthy Ring and run around Untended Firelink 200 times and then do an Artorias Swordflip off of the PicklePee ledge and it'll summon firekeeper, and you start the game in this firelink.
>>339263180
Ludwig
For whatever reason this boss feels like the most aggressive boss in the game while still not being in top 3 of most difficult of the game.
>>339266673
Oh, i gotta give that a try then. Thanks friend.
>>339266081
Practice against other enemies, and then against bosses like Pontiff, the champ and dragon slayer armor
>>339265919
No.
>>339264161
benny_hill.mp3
>>339266673
>Mfw I thought this was bullshit until I actually tried it
>Mfw it actually fucking worked
10/10 From. I was at least glad that Poise worked in this game version.
>>339266807
It really highlights how fucking shit /v/ is at games. They laugh at Polygon for the doom shit, but then complain that Nameless King is "hard"
Nameless king is only hard if you're a vigor shitter because he does a lot of damage. It's only a test because of his high damage output. Champion Gundyr is OBJECTIVELY the more difficult boss, but his damage is lower so vigot shitters wouldn't know. My guess is 90% of /v/ actually put points into vigor and NK was their first fight they had to dodge properly.
Fucking embarrasing.
>>339267245
fuck off
>>339266587
>tfw you first access that boss and THE ABYSS pops up
I really couldn't agree more.
>>339263180
Fun fight, but like Maria in BB, it was honestly really easy. The only character I've fought him on is my STR/FAI build and it only took me about 3, maybe 4 tries to come out on top
I think my favorite fight, at least in just DS3 is Dragonslayer Armour, holy fuck that fight is the tits
>>339264401
my favorite boss was tower knight simply because of the scale of the game went upwards so quickly. Ds3 doesnt really have many large scale bosses like this.
>>339263180
Loooool
The water still has the reflection of the normal champion of ash fight.
Good immersion.
>>339267824
huh what
>>339267245
let's not pretend Gundyr isn't a dodge fest
he's just more aggressive than the first time you fight him, and somehow that makes him the best boss in DS3? top kek
>>339267824
I never even realized that. Deepest lore or laziest hacks?
>>339267881
You see sky reflected in the water.
>>339267881
The water is reflecting a normal sky instead of the blackened one
From being lazy, in a nutshell
>>339267881
Look at the water in OPs webm. Sky of normal firelink area is reflected. Really weird thing to be left since it is glaringly obvious.
>>339268146
>>339268193
fug
It could be laziness, yeah, but it could also be that if it were reflecting complete darkness it would look very ugly.
Maybe they thought people wouldn't notice.Or maybe they're lazy
>>339268247
Even if it's not intentional, I think it's cooler that way.
>>339263180
Dat combo.
![Jaden[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/viG3Z3h.jpg "Jaden[1].jpg")
>>339268340
>>339268278
>>339268247
>>339268193
How can reflection be real when our eyes are not real?
>>339263909
>>339263180
>you're now realizing that this would have been the same boss if they went about implementing the heat-up mechanic they talked about, but instead split him into two bosses for whatever reason.
I'm not mad, but it's kind of obvious when you think about it, senpai.
>>339268521
It was funny a year ago.
1. Champ
2. Artorias
3. Maria
objective ranking here plebs, time to close this thread up
>>339268527
Frankly, all it did was confuse me regarding the Pus of Man. I figured that shit was gonna be a major part of the story given how alot of early game enemies had it. But it was never explained, which was disappointing.
>>339268340
>I think it's cooler if something is legit wrong
Fromsoft audience everyone
>>339268527
What's this heat-up mechanic anyways? Don't lots of bosses already have more than one phase?
>>339268527
>heat-up mechanic
This is actually just the Pus of Man bursting out of him or the whole "Red-eye powerup" thing.
>>339268278
>completely dark except the candles sprinkled throughout
>instead we get this shit
Fuck thee, hackazaki.
>>339268654
A lot of middle and endgame enemies have it too. Sully had the Pus of Man in him in his second phase, and Dragonslayer Armor was controlled by a Pilgrim Butterfly which is the final form of it.
>>339263180
>reused boss
>reused area
>DS2 tier tracking
>DS2 tier hitboxes
Nah
>>339269169
LOL.
>>339269271
Prove me wrong
>>339269310
Prove yourself right first
So far, the best DaS3 bosses aren't as good as the best Bloodborne bosses. Nameless King and Pontiff are great but they're not on Ludwig/Orphan/Gehrman levels.
Here's hoping the DLC doesn't disappoint.
>>339269310
The only proof I can provide to you is if you didn't get your shit caved in by him. Otherwise it'll be hard to explain a completely changed moveset.
DaS 2 tracking makes no sense btw, if you strafe he will shoulderbash you not track you with this move.
>>339269394
I would say Twin Princes is cooler than all the non-DLC bosses, or at least as cool as Gherman. DaS 3's had the best ratio of good bosses, so I'll wait for the DLC which always has great bosses before I'd make the final judgement call.
He was too easy to parry in my opinion, kind of ruined the fight
>>339263180
Lol not even close
>>339269576
>DaS 3's had the best ratio of good bosses
I do agree with this, the bosses in DaS3 are on average very high quality, they just don't quite surpass Ludwig and Orphan. I believe the DLC can, but we'll have to wait and see.
>>339264385
Why do people like fume knight so much he swings slow as fuck and is easy to dodge
>>339264754
Except that he barely does any damage the only hard part about seath is cutting his tail and that's just because he keeps spinning like an asshole
>tfw I somehow gimmicked my way to killing Champ on my first go despite using a shitty gimped dex build
I feel a bit disappointed as I didn't get to really appreciate him.
>>339266965
>Tried it and reported back in 3 minutes
ENOUGH OF YOUR LIES.
>>339264754
You're going back to the original boss room to fight the invincible version aren't you?
Or you're in Crystal Cave and haven't shattered the crystal?
>>339265409
Kos isn't fun.
Gherman and Gascoigne aren't difficult, they're just parry fodder.
>>339270967
You probably didn't do it right. You Swordflipped from the Pickle Pee ledge right?
>>339266047
>Sanctuary Guardian
Nope
>Executioner's Chariot
Nope
>Wet Nurse
Nope
>Orphan
NOPE
>>339269576
Deacons, Sage, Wyvern, king of the storm, Vordt, Greatwood, Wolnir, Yhorm, Oceiros and Demon King are all mediocre or even downright bad fights m80.
>>339265409
>gascoigne
>difficult
Genuine laughter
>>339271232
orphan was only bad imo because holy shit that health pool is retarded
>>339271307
>Vordt and Yhorm
>not good
what
>>339264281
>There's an air of surpassing your predecessor since he was supposed to be the Champion of Ash
Gundyr's not unkindled.
>>339271512
>hit me while I stand still and flail at the walls, the boss
and
>just gimmick my shit up senpai, the boss
Yeah, those fights are not good.
They even fucking nerfed Vordt so he no longer gets staggered out of his breath attack, meaning you can just spam R1 after the phase change.
top 10:
1. sulyvahn
2. twin princes
3. orphan of kos
4. artorias
5. nameless king
6. champion gundyr
7. ludwig
8. ebrietas
9. burnt ivory king
10. ornstein and smough
>>339263180
I prefer Burnt Ivory King and Sir Alonne
>>339265635
Doesn't DS3 have fewer armored guys with swords though
>>339271641
Alonne is let down by the memory area you have to endure to get to him.
>>339271307
There's a degree of a opinion that I don't agree with you on some of those, but regardless I said the ratio of good bosses, all of these games have some mediocre or stinkers.
>>339271757
I hate his stage so much, and I like Alonne, but I feel he's also let down from fighting him just a little after Fume Knight whose cooler and tougher than him.
>>339271705
probably in terms of the overall amount of them compared to DS2, but in terms of percentage, I think DS3 definetely has the most "humanoiid guys with swords" of any souls game.
Not that that's even a bad thing, most of the bosses are very well designed, and feel very unique from each other gameplay wise with multiple phase mechanics etc.
>>339271641
alonne is honestly a joke after fighting fume knight. good atmosphere and great music though
>>339272032
>alonne is honestly a joke after fighting fume knight
Seriously. Fume knight was pretty much one hit kill, and Alonne gave you a lot of second chances
>>339272032
I prefer Alonne more due to the atmosphere and music, especially if you're going for the no-hit kill. It just felt better
>>339269497
Not that guy, but champ has some serious tracking on most of his moves and infinite stamina + 4-5 hits combos with barely any cooldown
He is not really a hard boss, but he isn't a good one either
>>339264161
>>339264754
I killed Seath first try, bitch boy.
>>339270189
This. Outside of cutting his damned tail, which has a weird hitbox as well, Seath is easy shit
>best boss in the souls series
Not even close
>>339267245
Get fucked, Gundyr is fucking easy as piss as long as you know how to dodge
Why do you also seem to think that having more health makes much of a difference anyway, Gundyr's main difficulty and damage comes from getting stuck in one of his combos which do the same if not more damage than the Nameless King's hits
Being able to dodge is helpful in both fights, it's about timing and reaction, not the amount of things you have to dodge, health is also equally helpful for both bosses, if you have more health you can take more hits, that's what the fucking stat is for you elitist cockbag, I pump VGR because I ignore VIT and wear basically nothing
Maybe consider that other people play games differently to you and seeing as you aren't famous or god the way you do it is not automatically the right one
why the hell do people say that Orphan of Kos is a bad boss again? are you just salty that he kicked your ass?
>>339273941
I like Orphan a lot, but I ended up fighting him on my second character that didn't have mountains of blood vials from doing the chalice dungeons, so I ended up running out of blood vials every time I fought him and it made me hate the blood vial system so much.
>>339274327
>go through Central Yharnam, Cathedral Ward, Old Yharnam and Forbidden Woods - all relatively easy areas
>stack up over 200 vials everytime, buy even more with left over echoes after levelling just to be cheeky
You fucking shitters who have to buy blood vials, my sides
>>339274327
>equip moon runes
>go to Mergo's loft: middle
>kill everything from the lamp to the boss room
>acquire 100,000 souls in <5 minutes
>spend at messenger bath for almost 300 vials
done and done
>>339274562
>wasting all that time farming vials directly instead of just farming the necessary $$$ from the Lecture hall or Mergo's loft
pleb alert!
>>339274659
>>wasting all that time farming vials directly
....uhh, no, those areas just literally throw vials at you
Literally every single enemy drops 1 or 2, not to mention world drops that have up to 10+
>>339263180
360degree swings with bullshit tracking
all dark souls bosses are shit
>>339268527
>if they went about implementing the heat-up mechanic they talked about
The "heat-up mechanic" is literally just bosses having 2 phases. They confirmed this in an interview a long time ago.
>>339266047
>4K
>Executioner's Chariot
>Wet Nurse
>Dragonslayer Armor
>>339274808
yeah, and in the time that I could farm 100 vials in central yharnam, I could earn enough money to buy 500 vials by running Mergo's loft
>>339263180
My favorite of DS3 is Namless King.
It just felt so damn epic fighting on top of clouds, plus the difficulty of the fight made it feel all the more epic.
Untended graves in themselves though were a pretty good addition. Nice and unsettling.
>>339263180
Was cool when he shows his new moves, but there's like one attack that's almost an instant move.
Was playing with 10 vigor and it was pretty much a dice roll if he decides to use it or not.
But no, coolest for me is still Artorias, the Edgywalkers come close too since its similar.
>>339273941
The second phase is just annoying with all the jumping around
I hate bosses where you can't just lock on and fight
Difficulty wise Orphan is just right
>>339264754
This is a joke post, right? Please tell me it is, I don't normally make fun of people for what bosses they have trouble with, but Seath is literally one of the easiest bosses in the entire series.
>>339275028
>>339274808
>farming anywhere but Chalice dungeons
Spotted the plebs.
>>339275028
Yeah, and in the time that I get 200+ vials while going through the game, I will never ever have to farm vials again.
>muh mergos loft
Why would you ever, ever farm for vials.
>>339271641
Ivory King is such a fucking awful fight, I'll never understand why people like it.
I still don't know reliably dodge Ebrietas charge.
I usualyy beat her by getting lucky with RNG.
>>339275390
because I'm running chalice dungeons and pvp and those guys never drop vials when I need them to
im level 80, should i stop now?
want to keep this character for dlc and what not.
>read good shit about evil gundyr
>oh boy oh boy dis gon b gud
>better summon someone to help me
>xXx_420noToggle_xXx
>stabs himself with a katana
>fires giant lightning spears at gundyr
>we kill him in less than a minute
huh
>>339275767
>Summoning on your first try
>Expecting a rewarding and fun experience
>>339275767
>summoning
>>339275767
>oh man, this is going to be great!
>summons
Okay, I can maybe understand that, but
>complains afterwards
Are you clinically retarded?
No that would be Ludwig
>That one shitty boss with really great music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_8t5ay0-YU
