>no experience in making video games
>wins every console generation it participates in
How do they do it?
>wins every console generation it participates in
>coming dead last in gen 7
kys mein familia.
Good hardware and good third party relations.
They didnt win last gen and they only won this gen because microsoft literally handed sony their ass
>>339243948
They only won the ps2 and ps2 era too.. because something something someone handing ass?
Microsoft only stepped out from Sonys shadow last gen because they stumbled, this gen was in Sony hands regardless of what Microsoft was going to do
>>339243510
>Gen 7
>Last place
lol
inb4 neogaf fiction that they took over at the last second
>>339244197
Are you retarded?
They didn't have any experience making video games, but they had a lot of experience managing content with their music label and film studios.
The first Playstation wasn't totally amazing hardware, but it ended up being the easiest to work on and the cheapest to develop for. They did a lot of things right with it -- lower platform royalties, high advertising budget, giving the spotlight almost entirely to third parties.
They also benefited greatly from the mistakes their competition made. Saturn came on the heels of the 32X, was $100 more expensive, difficult to develop for, and was essentially aimed at a future of video games [perfect arcade conversions] that was actually on the way out.
Nintendo was simply much more expensive to develop games for and some third parties were looking for a reason to jump shit. Sony gave it to them.
After a success like that, it's all about not screwing up too much.
>>339243510
By actually making a good consoles instead of gimped PCs for dudebros or gimmicky children toys.
>>339243510
It's been 20 years, they've got the experience by now.
Because they understand the gaming market and deliver the best games each gen.
They will never get dethroned because they built trust with people for the last 20 years that neither MS or Nintendo have done.
>>339244910
>>339244910
this is all true aside from the ps3, ps3 was nice, but no winner
how does it feel?
>>339243510
They spend the most on marketing.
>>339243510
They did have a studio before the PS1, they developed that Lion King game and other disney properties.
>>339245080
>>339243510
They always win because they have games for everyone from dudebros to weeaboos. When Xbox stops being dudebro only console and Nintendo nintendodrones only console then they will stand a chance.
>>339245080
What category of idiot buys a console for 2 games and a movie?
>>339245184
>one is xbox
>xbox one is a joke and not funny
>other is political shit?
>/v/
>>339243648
It sold more than the Xbox 360.
>can play films gimmick
>make games by everyone for everyone (even the risk of shovelwares)
That's it
>>339245194
Basically this. I like variety in games and Sony is the only one who is really providing that.
the short answer is this
- many third parties have never liked nintendo and were always looking for a way to get away from them
- they flocked to sega when they had their breakout, but sega fucked it up in short order and destroyed confidence in themselves and others
- a LOT of western developers flocked to the PS1 because sony were courting a different type of developer, one that had previously only had a voice on the PC (e.g. naughty dog). you might think of them as proto 'games-as-art' people. and PS1 had a huge library of fantastic 'alternative' games and more adult-orientated games
- sony hit very hard with the PS2 because it had a DVD drive. at the time it was one of the cheapest. it wasn't easy to develop for but everyone on the planet wanted one.
- the PS3 launch was a failure due to bad marketing, overpriced hardware and lack of games. people didn't buy the PS3 for the blu-ray player like sony thought. eventually they got back on the horse and beat the xbox, but insert rrod joke or reference to beating quadruple amputee at swingball here
- even though the wii was a success, nintendo alienated even more of their third-parties, thanks to their poor hardware and attach rate, and those didn't stick around to see what the next wii had to offer. nintendo was basically out of the game. microsoft had eroded a lot of confidence in their hardware thanks to their rrod fiasco, and proceeded to alienate a lot of potential buyers due to their DRM plans. all sony had to do was manage a basic and consistent level of competency.
>>339245019
>>339245039
Well, what is it then? Zeebo?
>>339243510
Sports
https://youtu.be/DB_Oj7YuJKo
TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9RbxcA0sH8
Cowadooty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdUak_vvNsk
Wait...hold on...
>>339245380
Yes yes we know, Sonyggers are absolutely giant hypocrites
>>339243510
By doing relatively nothing. Everyone else explodes around them. Nintendo and Microsoft just can't stop sabotaging themselves.
>>339243510
They have experience from their other department, and learned a lot from their competitor.
PS1 also has soft spot for new developers, probably because relatively cheap and easy to develop game which give them more opportunity to try.
>>339243510
>wins every console generation it participates in
But they came in dead last with the PS3.
>>339243510
they are very good at marketing, helped a lot in this gen when Nintendo and Microsoft had the worst marketing ever
>>339243510
Their competition is
>Microsoft: extremely clueless around everything they dabble in and completely unable to adapt to consumers, instead just use money money money to push what they want down their throats even if they don't work
>Nintendo: goes out of their way to TRY and not be in direct competiton with MS/Sony because their only forte is feeding shit into the same kind of people since forever
Really its a victory by default, MS will fuck themselves over, Nintendo will not compete.
They did terrible with the PS3 but MS still fucked themselves over by basically dropping support halfway the console's lifecycle and also RROD
>>339245019
>Truth
And PS2 was a winner
>>339245380
bloodborne
uncharted
the last of us
wait...hold on...
>>339245080
So now you have three games. Like, in total. Sure showed me
everytime xbox fans come and shitpost...i just have a little list that'll shut them right up..heh...
Order 1886...
Driveclub...
Uncharted 4...
Beyond Two Souls...
Detroit Become Human.....
Bloodborne....
Horizon Zero Dawn...
Heh, THIS...is for the palyers
>>339245910
more where that came from lad
if youre interested
>>339246015
>>339245890
I know this is shitposts, but it really does expose how much the Xbox fanbase don't give a shit about those games
>>339245910
3 more games than your cuckplattform, I bet.
>>339246015
>this is what sonyggers actually sound like
>they think theyre convincing anybody
Screencap this post, because you're going to be FUCKING sorry when it comes true:
The NX will win this generation. True innovation always comes from Nintendo, and you're all just playing catch up.
>>339245276
>It only took until after the next generation started!
>W we did it Sonybros!
That's like saying the Genesis could beat the SNES because Huehue's in Brazil keep buying Genesis systems long after it's gone.
>>339244584
I'm pretty sure the overtook in like 2011-2012.
PS3 was a complete blunder until about 2009, then it was easily the best console of that generation.
What did the 360 even have post-2010? I can't think of any great exclusives that came out in the last third of its lifespan. PS3 had tons.
>>339245276
But not more than the Wii
>>339246159
The 360 was a year earlier on the market and had a 50+% of failure rate in the first 2 to 3 years.
>>339246245
That's because Wii is casual garbage
>>339246065
>bloodborne
you are a stupid lad
I just want to know why /v/ dickrides every other company and PC so much but consistently shits on Sony. Yet, they still bougt every sony console and consistently talk about metal gear, persona, resident evil, devil may cry, etc. all day every fucking day.
What is it that makes Sony trigger you so goddamn much?
>>339246245
>>339246159
Even after the enormous blunder of the xbone, /v/ STILL dickrides microsoft over Sony and calls Sony the satan of gaming, they ruined gaming, blah blah blah.
>>339246349
>ps4 always wins babys!
>But the wii kicked it's ass last gen
>THAT DOESN'T COUNT CASUAL GARBAGE REEEEEEEEE
Is it any wonder sonyfags are the biggest laughingstocks of gaming?
>>339246072
>Have all 3 platforms and capable pc
>Play most games on Wii U
>Play a bit on PC
>ps4 and bone collect dust
>cucks on /v/ try to convince me that the ps4 has games.
>>339246015
Great list kiddo, now back to school
>>339246704
So I was right.
>>339246298
ps2 was the most unreliable piece of shit console when it came out, some people went through like 5 or 6 ps2s because of how low quality the hardware was. It also sold lots, but how many of them were just replacement consoles?
>>339246670
>ps4 always wins babys!
>But the wii kicked it's ass last gen
how did Wii kick PS4's ass last gen
>>339243510
They making better games than Nintendo and Microsoft combined.
>>339246884
>5 or 6 ps2s because of how low quality the hardware was
Maybe in your imaginary fantasy world. That would put the PS2 faillure rate at 360 levels which is not even close to being true.
How about you post a source and the PS2 failurate instead of making shit up.
>>339246423
>MGS
>RE
there series are very far from being Sony exclusive
>>339246953
This.
>>339246670
How? They practically aimed on something different, with the main reason why Wii was successful was because casual games and wagglan controls
>>339246704
Wii U has nothing that could remotely be considered great. None of its games will be remembered in 5 years.
PS4 has
Uncharted 4
Infamous Second Son
Littlebigplanet 3
Klaus
Astebreed
Art of Balance
Driveclub
Journey
Alienation
Disgaea 5
Hohokum
Sound Shapes
Shadow of the Beast
Transistor
Entwined
Tomorrow Children
Killstrain
Dreams
Rez VR
Matterfall
Resogun
Super Stardust Ultra
Persona 5
Ys VIII
Games for ADULTS. Mature transcendent artistic innovative experiences that push the medium of games further than any other.
>>339247006
Yeah, snake in smash totaly did make MGS become a nintendo franchise.
They're the only ones that make jeuxkino
>>339246670
The wii was a fad and the most people who bought it now plays mobile games hence the reason why the wii u is dead
>>339244820
How does one make a good console that is not perceived as a 'gimped PC'?
How is this ever possible?
>>339247102
the only Sony exclusive main series MGS game is 4
>>339247168
The Wii was my first and last nintendo console. Bought it just for the dildo controller and the oh so praised nintendo games were actually shit.
>>339245080
DELETE THIS!
>>339243510
By not being nintendo with their stupid draconian 3rd party relashionships
By not being Sega with their stupid hardware decisions (More stupid than the PS3, that's saying something) and console release schedules
That's all they needed to do. They have by far the best connections in the industry, no matter what they do they'll forever come on top, even when they badly fuck up (with PS3's "muh cell" and 600$ launch price) they still manage to recover.
TL;DR
"Sony always wins, baby!" = not even a meme. It's the actual normal course of action as long as they don't fuck over themselves.
>>339243648
It sold more than the 360 and came an year later, it was also more expensive throughout a lot of its life cycle.
2 more fun facts:
-It's still not discontinued, unlike the 360
-It's getting more new releases in 2016 than the WiiU
-Will probably outlive both Wii and WiiU
>>339246423
Their head understands that Sony is the best option but their fanboy hearts does not make them want to admit it. Couple that together with the failures of their own favorite plattforms and you will get the gist.
Because they were businessmen at their finest in the late 90s and early 00s
>>339246884
My friend's and my brother's PS2's still work fine and smooth. Your argument is invalid.
>>339247552
>will probably outlive the Wii
considering the Wii was discontinued in 2013 which was when the PS2 was too they already did
>>339247096
Wow really?
It's a mix of indie trash, shit games, some meh/ok titles (Infamous), a movie masquerading as a game, multiplats and weebtrash.
This is embarassing. You didn't even mention the only good game, bloodborne
>>339244197
You are aware PS1 did almost as well as PS2 when it comes to % of the marketshare, right? PS1 did even better %-wise than PS4 is doing right now, imagine that.
PS3 was the exception, not the rule you're trying to make it out to be.
>>339247693
My 2 360s are still working fine, your argument is equally invalid.
Also I had a YLOD ps3, you wanna talk about ps3 failure rates?
Nintendo treated devs unfairly during nes/snes days, Sony capitalized on it and Sega/Microsoft made sure to keep the industry divided enough to prevent nintendo from getting back old demographics outside their "core" audience.
>>339247702
Oh I know that, what I'm saying is that It'll outlive BOTH the Wii and WiiU put together.
It has more new games in 2016 than the WiiU, how embarassing is that? And not even small indie games that no one cares about
>>339247762
P5 is the only good game on that list anyway
>>339247762
Post the games you look forward to, give me that giggle.
>>339243510
marketing
>>339247762
>You didn't even mention the only good game, bloodborne
BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT FUCKING BLOODBORNE. I HAVE A PS4 AND DON'T EVEN OWN BLOODBORNE. IT'S OVERRATED AND BORING.
THIS OUTCLASSES BLOODBORNE IN ALL FUCKING RESPECTS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfKkmn2rhg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnYgc2721x8
Shadow of the Beast is super underrated
>>339248036
>A indie PS4 title looks better than Zelda U
Oh man, you cant make this shit up.
>>339247096
are you for real with that list of garbage? only Ys is good and Vita is the target platform.
>>339247974
Zelda Wii U
I wanna check out that Horizon game, but expect little from it
Pokemon Sun/Moon
To be honest, it's my backlog I'm looking to get through, Still got tonnes I haven't touched since I haven't had time for vidya.
>>339244820
>gimped PCs for dudebros
That's literally both PS3 and PS4.
>>339248249
Oh I am actually looking forward to Inside, the new playdead title, but I haven't heard anything from it for ages and ages. Maybe it's dead.
I have some hopes for No Man's Sky
I backed Yooka Laylee and that looks exciting
How can one unironically defend Sony?
>>339245019
Ok explain how the Wii won the generation
-By being abandoned by almost every 3rd party developer and publisher?
-By being the shovelware console?
-By having hardware gimmicks like the heartbeat sensor, the step-up thing, or WiiMusic as the major focus on their E3s?
-By having a generational gap of hardware that still remains to this day?
-By abandoning their core audience, which has to PLEA to get games on their regions that were ALREADY translated (Operation Rainfall)?
-By still being region locked?
Oh yeah, it sold more units. hmmm, that's what counts at the end, right? It was the reason we saw such a casual-focused shift from nintendo, it was the reason actual game developers ignored it en masse, and it has proven to be a failure because no soccer mom will ever buy a WiiU or NX now, so all those Wii sales were meaningless and had NEGATIVE retention to subsequent releases.
I think that chart is trying to mix sales and games as the winner of the gen. Not just one of those factors.
>people still fighting in console wars
>not enjoying games on all consoles
>mfw
>>339245380
I dont get it
What are you trying to say here?
>>339245019
How on earth was the PS3 not the winner? Early on it was pretty pathetic, but by the end of it all, it had by far the most varied library of games.
>>339245421
How do we know that?
>>339245309
>make games by everyone for everyone (even the risk of shovelwares)
Nintendo and Sega consoles had shovelware out the ass too.
>>339248036
change your settings on your ps4 to capture screenshots in png instead of jepg because compression. sotb looks sick but that screenshot could've looked better
>>339243510
>no experience in making video games
Not true
What month did the PS3 come out? It must be its 10th birthday soon.
>>339248489
I'm an idort but it's still fun to dabble in these topics, especially when it's so obvious the PS4 is the better console when you have no bias, and yet see people defending other choices because they bet their money on the wrong horse, it's pretty hilarious.
>>339248489
Literally what reason is there to get a WiiU or an XBone?
>>339248726
Old Nintendo and Sega. Starting with GCN had some but mostly first party games. Wii and Wii U starting to go full first party. With PS1 and PS2, Sony aimed to cater all sides instead of just the dudebros normies (like 360) or kids and families (like Wii and Wii U)
>>339248818
Thanks for the tip anon
>>339248489
This, why are people such fags?
Just enjoy vidya on whatever console you choose, no need to be such an insecure brat about it.
>>339246991
>>339247693
"It never happened to me so it never happened to anyone else!"
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-settles-ps2-class-action-suit/1100-6139482/
Fuck off
By lying to customers and bullying developers
>>339247970
Persona isn't even a game. It's an interactive movie.
Klaus and Fat Princess Adventures are more games than Persona.
>>339248471
Those are all subjective metrics of success. Somebody that likes 'casual games' and Nintendo properties would see everything you listed as a plus
The only objective metrics are sales and profit, and guess what? The Wii won big time on both.
>>339243948
Don't even own a PS4, full on PC mustard race here. The Xbox 360 conclusively was the worse console and I'd say lost vs the ps3.
First of all
>paid service, not even fucking cheap
>RROD out the ass
>controller needed batteries
>needed wifi dongle thing
>HD-DVD or w/e it was RIP
Things it had going for it;
>Ninja Gaiden
>Halo
>thats it, maybe there was one or two other titles in there
>last to establish a decent online shop, fuck all titles etc
>shit prices
>some backwards compatible games but some just wouldn't work
PS3
>No games at first but quickly rectified
>Best PS1 back catalogue series online
>Free service
>Bluray
>Wifi with console because not jews
>Controller isn't some fucking try hard redesign
>Tons of HD collections for old games, good value
>best of the Ace Combat Series
>MGS4
>Demon Souls
>God of War
>small amount of consoles on release that were fully back compatible with all PS2 games
>>339249093
But the combat and dungeons in 5 are looking pretty good to me and besides I know it's going to be a good game
>>339248116
>2.5d vs 3D
ok
>>339248905
>better
there is no "better" choice. each platform has its pros and cons
>>339248930
>WiiU
Wii library (if you haven't played them on previous gen), several exclusives (Splatoon, Mario Kart, Marios, Zeldas, XCX, Bayo, etc)
>XBone
beats me, I don't actually have XBone - I'm PC + X360 + PS3 + PS4 + WiiU + PSP + 3DS + Vita idort
>>339249210
The 360 controller is amazing.
>>339249210
>best of the Ace Combat Series
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/ace-combat-infinity
JUST
>>339249225
It doesn't require any skill. All you do is spam whatever is the enemy's weakness and see flashy colors, then play a visual novel.
Persona isn't a game.
>>339249093
>Running through dungeons and engaging in a turn based battle system in which I target enemy weaknesses with my team to overcome the enemy is not a video game
>>339249210
>Things it had going for it;
Multiplat games ran better on 360
>Controller isn't some fucking try hard redesign
worthless waggle shit
>God of War
lol
17 days till you all get fucked up again
new gow
new horizon footage
new tlg footage release date
new bend studio ip
gravity rush 2 release date/footage
new nioh gameplay footage/release date
etc
this will be the third e3 in a row they've won
>>339243510
By having other people make video games for them and still ending up with record losses each year
>>339249428
>Running through dungeons and engaging in a turn based battle system in which I target enemy weaknesses with my team to overcome the enemy is not a video game
Not when that doesn't involve skill or timing whatsoever. And the entire game is cdentered around finishing the story. There are no scores or leaderboards or multiplayer. It's not a game.
>>339249402
Whatever you say anon
Enjoy losing sleep over at the idea of someone enjoying a game while you continue to be a jaded fuck
>>339249361
oh woops that was PS2, sorry I get confused cause I have one of those backwards compatible ones :^)
>>339249467
You forgot:
new fromsoft ip
kojimas game
persona release date
new fate footage
new ffxv footage
new first party ip
etc
>>339248205
>only Ys is good
retarded weeb kys
The truth of the matter is, if someone actually wants to play games with some actual quality and originality to them, then they get the Nintendo console of the generation.
Casual players outnumber the hardcore ones though, and are drawn to movie-machines that Microsoft and Sony produces. Nintendo only "loses" in the eyes of people here because they don't have a casual audience, and instead have people who actually play games.
>>339249452
name a 360 exclusive that was good that isn't Gaiden or Halo
>>339249517
>There are no scores or leaderboards or multiplayer. It's not a game.
>>339246704
Loading up Splatoon to jerk off to Inklings doesn't count as playing.
>>339249196
You know the Wii didn't actually win by a landslide, right? At the end it outsold the second place (PS3) by 14 million, which is around a 10-15% difference between the total sales of both.
It doesn't compare at all to the actual landslides of the PS1 and PS2.
But I concede to you that yes, in the end the Wii slightly outsold the PS3. You win on that metric and on that metric alone. But then we step out of this meaningless theoretical debate and back into reality and see that nintendo homeconsoles continue to be abandoned by third parties, get the shittiest localizations possible, still have a generational gap in power compared to their competition, and still rely on gimmicks which are very divisive (StarFoxZero being the latest debate)
>>339249280
> each platform has its pros and cons
Yes, and I take the one with the most pros and least cons as the best option.
>>339249689
Lost Odyssey
>>339249554
I'm just saying objectively it's not a game, so to dismiss other actual games in the ps4's library like super stardust ultra, resogun, aipd, or drawn to death then say persona is the only good game in the list is asinine when persona isn't even a game. It's centered around getting to the next cutscene and finishin the story. There are no leaderboards, multiplayer, or emphasis on self-improvement through replayability. It's an interactive storybook.
>>339249668
>motion controls
>quality
pick one
>>339248471
Ok so by your logic the ps1, 2 and 4 are failures too?
>>339249721
Nice counterargument. I guess you don't have proof that Persona is a game.
>>339245080
Replace Uncharted with EDF 4.1
>>339249759
Then I'm guessing most jrpgs aren't games to begin with
Sony won in 5th gen, 6th gen and 8th gen by default. Literally not because of their own merit but because their competitors shit the bed.
In 5th generation you had the N64 which fatally went with cartridges alienating every third party in the process, and you had the Saturn which was an overpriced and underpowered piece of shit.
Then in 6th generation you had the Dreamcast which died because Sega's hardware division went bankrupt from their unpaid Saturn debts, the Gamecube where Nintendo abandoned the western market to (unsuccessfully) chase after Japan, and Xbox which had very few games outside of PC ports and Dreamcast refugees.
8th generation you've got the overpriced and underpowered Wii U with an unappealing tablet gimmick, and the Xbone which is basically the exact same thing as a PS4 except higher cost and worse graphics and had terrible PR at the start.
Sony wins because their competitors keep shooting themselves in the foot. The one time that Sony shot themselves in the foot (PS3) they lost.
>>339249668
Man it must suck for Nintendo fans after how badly you got shafted after the wii, its okay sorry guys we messed up heres the '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''new generation''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' console, it's everything you wanted from last gen, u guys still love us r-right?
>>339249727
That's more interactive than pressing play on your ps4 movie.
>>339249891
They're not.
They emphasize story progression. They're interactive narratives.
Zaxxon, beamrider, burger time, robotron, pacman, aipd, resogun, and drawn to death are games.
>>339249909
You tell us, you're currently getting a dildo rammed into your ass at the speed of light with the ps4
>>339249902
If you think third party abandoned Nintendo because of cartridges you're retarded. That was a symptom of a much larger problem, they would've jumped shit regardless, cartiriges just made it easier for them
>>339249809
>Nice counterargument.
you have no argument in the first place
>hurr it's not a game because it doesnt fit my shitty personal preference
>>339249758
>generic jrpg experience the game
nah
>>339249750
>You know the Wii didn't actually win by a landslide, right?
It won by a landslide in profits and that's even more important than sales or revenue. The real reason PS3 caught up is because Nintendo abandoned the Wii after 2010 ended while Sony kept supporting the PS3.
It's also the same reasons PS1 and PS2 have those high sales. Did you know that Sony sold ~33 million AFTER the PS2 was released? Most of those sales were to third world countries. Nintendo abandoned the N64 after 2000 ended.
![PSP-3000-Silver[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PfTL35Z.jpg "PSP-3000-Silver[1].jpg")
>>339243510
>>339249902
meh still would say PS3 objectively is better value than the 360
if they lost it was down to the PR of
>PS3 has no games
>>339249517
>no scores or leaderboards or multiplayer
oh, you're one of those people
>>339249809
>But I'm saying it's not a game therefore it's not a game.
>>339250106
psp had better games then ds and 10 times the variety
babby rhythm heaven vs dj max for example
top kek
>>339249909
We didn't get shafted after the Wii though. The WiiU is a quality console and has tons of titles that appeal to people who want actual gameplay.
>>339250046
jrpg's are in the same vein as uncharted, metal gear, and bullshit like that. They're not games because they give you the illusion of being a game just because they're interactive to an extent.
See, blackjack is a game. There is no slapped on narrative. You have to improve yourself and that is it.
Driveclub is a game. Uncharted, Persona, and YS are not games.
>>339243510
Winning a console generation in the year 2016 is like winning the special olympics
>>339249797
No, since none of my points (aside from region lock on the first consoles) apply.
In fact playstation consoles lead in almost every one of the categories I listed, every generation.
PS1 was a 100million+ seller
PS2 was a 100million+ seller
Did you ever see Sony completely ignoring their core base? Did you ever see them not caring about third parties and being more interested in shovelware ? did you ever see them not try to have at least competent hardware instead of being a generation behind only to sell their consoles at a cheaper price + more profit?
No, they still care about their core, they still publish and localize very niche titles that may only sell 20k copies
Wii was nintendo's ONLY 100+million homeconsole seller and immidiatly they shifted gears and mostly ignored their core audience.
Like I said, the chart is about both sales and games, not just 1 of those metrics.
>>339250061
How do I even respond to this post? You outright admit Wii is a shitty console for actual gamers when you say
>is because Nintendo abandoned the Wii after 2010 ended while Sony kept supporting the PS3.
How the FUCK does that make the Wii win, when the PS3 is still supported to this day? People are STILL joking about PS4 having no real exclusives because if you have a PS3 you can still play games like Persona5 or OdinSphere remake in 2016.
How does this in your eyes not mean the PS3 won? The Wii was barely alive in its prime and its long dead now, but you still think it won the "best 7th gen console" award. I don't know what to tell you man.
>>339243510
nigga, they started making games since NES/Famicom
>>339246704
HI WOOWEE
>>339250187
>Wii U sales in the shitter
>price cut
>still in the shitter
>appeal to people who want gameplay
no appeals to man babies who never want to leave their magical land of dreams and princesses
>>339250291
>How does this in your eyes not mean the PS3 won?
Because I accept these are subjective metrics. Maintaining a console for a long period of time cannot be used as an indicator of success.
Neo-Geo AES was officially maintained by its parent company longer than any other console and yet SNK went bankrupt in the process. It was a good console but it would be insanity to regard it as a generational winner.
>>339250046
Just reminding you you're arguing with a literal 32 year old turbo sperg, >>339250267, this guy spends his time scouring the catalogue for any Sony-related thread and has a very specific criteria of what ''games'' are, even if games are gameplay-focused, he will call them movies. Don't reply to him, he is the most miserable, autistic and lonliest person on /v/.
>>339243510
they win because of they get all these genuinely good first party exclusives plus the console-only multiplats. The idort's choice is PC + PS4
When most games are multi-plat all that matters are the exclusives
>>339250291
Just kill you'reself already Sonygger scum. Everyone knows Playstation is shit and PC is the platform of choice for us true intellectuals.
>>339250428
I'm just stating facts.
>>339250267
>>339250339
Yet more claims without any proof
>jrpg's are in the same vein as uncharted, metal gear, and bullshit like that.
>You have to improve yourself and that is it.
clear indication that you've never played ANY JRPG, Uncharted, Metal Gear or other "bullshit like that" game for more than 30 minutes, if you think they have no learning curve
again, you claim those are not games, yet you provide no evidence to support such claims
pic related, the burden of proof is on you
>>339250162
>wikipedia
Not him, but that's not really proving much.
>>339250494
>stating facts
no, you're stating your opinions without any proof to support them
>>339250291
>>No, they still care about their core, they still publish and localize very niche titles that may only sell 20k copies
This right here is one think I fucking love about Sony. Tearaway, Shadow of the beast, Fat princess, Gravity Rush.
All these games would've been abandoned by any other company but Sony sticks with them for their fans even making sequels.
>>339250614
>>339250552
Is the point of Uncharted, Metal Gear, Shadow of the Colossus and Jrpg's not to finish the story?
Then I rest my case. There is no story in Ridge Racer. You replay the tracks and improve your times. That is it. That is a game.
>>339250698
>games can't have story
Do you actually have autism? Serious question.
>>339250404
>sales
>mattering
The WiiU sold badly because it didn't go out of it's way to pander to the casual audience that buys Sony and Microsoft consoles. Comparing the WiiU to that would be like comparing it to mobile sales.
>>339243510
>How do they do it?
same way McDonald's, Philip-Morris, religion et al. do it
>a sucker born every second
>>339250775
I don't want a story when I play basketball or poker.
I don't want a story when I play Robotron or Driveclub.
>>339250853
>I
see, here's the problem: that's YOUR definition of a "game", and it differs from what most of the world sees as a game.
>>339249668
Nice one, very subtle!
>>339250440
I'm an idort though, I have a high end PC that can run most games at 3K 60fps. I'm arguing for the sake of argument.
It's a stupid assertion to say Wii won the 7th gen.
>>339250418
Do you declare the bieest selling game of each year the GOTY? Or the quality of said game?
You keep grabbing only one factor and try to find an extreme case that made the company go under.
First you only talked about sales
Now you are only talking about longevity.
Next you'll grab another random metric.
I'm talking about _ALL_ factors put togetger, it's the third time in a row that I've said this.
>>339250187
There is Splatoon and then there is...?
>>339250698
>any story at all means it's not a game
Ridge Racer R4 had storylines for each of the racing teams. Guess it's not a game either.
>>339250418
>subjective metrics
no objective fact, maybe in fantasy land the Wii was supported right up until the Wii U release but that's just not the case
massive companies these days don't just keep a product line going out of consumer loyalty. perhaps that happened in the past for various reasons but Sony wasn't under any obligation to keep the PS3 going for as long it did.
>>339250187
Yeah, like ZombiU
>>339247052
>>339247168
And how does that change the fact that it was still the highest selling console of last gen by a very large margin? You people do nothing but move goalposts around just to circlejerk over your own delusions.
>>339251095
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_U_software
>>339250187
>The WiiU is a quality console
>>339250267
>blackjack is a game
Oh Christ, it's this guy again.
>>339251004
No, that's just what a game is.
A system filled with rulesets and mechanics that you utilize to improve yourself.
Like a sport. That is a game. No story. A game.
Robotron is a game. A perfect game might I add.
Persona, Metal Gear, Uncharted, Devil May Cry, Shadow of the Colossus, etc. are not games. They are interactive movies. The developers want you to finish the story.
>>339250698
>There is no story in Ridge Racer
There are FOUR stories on R4 you dimwit
>>339251207
He's right tho, blackjack IS a game.all of his other claims are retarded
>>339251185
>sales = overall quality
So that means Wii Sport is the pinnacle of interactive visual ludus entertainment
>>339251118
I didn't say 4. That's when the series went downhill. That's why their sales tanked.
Revolution was the best one and an improvement on everything that made the first great.
>>339251185
So? Like I said the wii was a fad nothing more nothing less
>>339251356
He is right. Blackjack is a game. I only singled out that one line because he can't help but mention blackjack at least once an argument. That's how I know it's him. He's some kind of blackjack fetishist.
>>339250794
>Wii U, not pandering to the casuals
Yeh I guess all that Wii fit and Wii bowling shit was for people who really wanted gameplay
you fucking nintendo shills are the worst, you act as if the console is superior but it clearly panders to the tastes of it's core audience and the filthiest casual scum
then when sales go down the shitter because the gaming fad/trend is over you deny it has anything to do with selling out to the shitters
you deserve everything you get
>>339251585
I say Blackjack every time because it's a simple popular game to illustrate the point.
If I say Congo Bongo, people won't understand the point.
>>339251258
Pure autism, wow anon. congratsI'm not the guy you're replying to, FYI
>>339251258
>Like a sport
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>339251195
All I see is shit and half-hearted mediocrity.
Where is the Wii U's Mario Galaxy or the Super Metroid or the OoT?
Fact is, the Pii U has not even a single outstanding system seller. It has a bunch of mediocre rehashes. Not even good ones, just mediocre.
Nintendo dropped the ball SO FUCKING HARD after the Gamecube, it's sad.
Ten years ago I would have agreed with everything you have said. Nowadays they are just a pathetic shadow of their former self. They stopped giving a fuck a very long time ago.
>>339251042
>>339251172
I'm not saying the Wii was the best console, I'm saying that it won the 7th generation console war. There's a big difference.
You're using a bunch of qualitative assessments (subjective). But I'm trying to say that you can really only use quantitative (empirical) assessments like sales and profits where numerical data readily exists.
By those empirical metrics Wii was the winner of the 7th generation console war. It's as simple as that. You can believe the PS3 was the winner but it would be along the lines of subjective metrics which can really on count inside your own personal headspace.
>>339251824
>Pure autism, wow anon. congrats
Once again, nice counterargument.
>>339251828
>reaction image, greentext, and laughter
that is not a counterargument.
>>339251935
>I'm saying that it won the 7th generation console war.
Kek! Do sales suddenly count?
In terms of games both the Xbox 360 and PS3 analy destroyed it. Period.
>>339251935
We agree to agree, like I said a few posts back in >>339249750
>But I concede to you that yes, in the end the Wii slightly outsold the PS3. You win on that metric and on that metric alone.
followed by what actually matters to us as gamers and happy costumers
>. But then we step out of this meaningless theoretical debate and back into reality and see that nintendo homeconsoles continue to be abandoned by third parties, get the shittiest localizations possible, still have a generational gap in power compared to their competition, and still rely on gimmicks which are very divisive (StarFoxZero being the latest debate)
So to end this endless chain of replies.
1) yes Wii won on sales.
2) that's it.
3) every other console on that chart won both in sales and quality/quantity of games as well as other misc. parameters
>>339252096
>Kek! Do sales suddenly count?
Yeah for console wars they do otherwise it would be endless shouting "muh exclusives are better than yours!"
Sales are the only thing that can be pulled out and objectively pronounced "these numbers are empirically larger than those numbers"
>>339243510
Same reason all-boy pop bands are popular. The masses love shallow, empty-headed pap with no substance.
I always see people saying XBone is a marketing disaster but can someone explain to me what happened?
>>339252379
E3 announcement. Look it up.
>>339252379
Pretty sure it was the whole used games DRM and spy cam horseshit
>>339245080
DELETE THIS!
>>339245080
Wow, three games that only the most dedicated of sonybronies would have any interest in.
This is like holding up Mario and Zelda games and showing the flowing tears of Sony and Microsoft fanboys. They wouldn't have any interest in those games to begin with.
>>339245080
>Uncharted
Why would I want a movie?
I can play P5 on my PS3 anyway.
>>339253036
Both Uncharted and Persona are interactive movies.
>>339243510
By making movies
>>339252791
You are out of your mind son. Soulsfags on Xbox and PC went apeshit when BB was announced.
>>339253350
They did? What losers. If they want those kind of games they should just buy a Sony console.
>>339253095
>interactive movie
Visual novel.
You can't even shitpost right.
>own PS4/Wii U/PC
>halfway through 2016
>PS4 has 3 worthwhile exclusives
>Selling the most consoles
It's funny that CoD is carrying the PS4 like it was the Xbox360. Especially considering sonyggers flaunted that the Playstation was never a dudebro console.
>>339243510
>Nintendo PlayStation never
>Sony and Ninty won't ever make up and make console
Hurts to live family.
>>339253458
Yeah. Calling those games 'interactive' is disingenuous at best.
>people actually think the PS1 had more enjoyable games than the N64
?????
>>339253857
One Silent Hill >>>>>alll N64 library.
>>339251832
Wii U has like 8x the amount of good, enjoyable console exclusives than the XBONE and PS4 combined (0+1 respectively)
>>339249046
>the lack of responses to this post
thanks for this anon. it warms my heart to see others get completely demolished.
>>339253532
The Playstation never was the dudebro console.
It's just the one that ends up with the most amount of good games.
>>339253930
>he bought system limitations: the game
>>339254241
>he bought any n64 game
lol
>>339253930
I agree with this sentiment
>>339253532
You must think the wiiU is a better console because is has ''more'' exclusives even though half of them are glorified 2 hour last-gen platformers.
You fail to take into account modern AAA development time and the fact that the year hasn't ended and the wiiU has been on the market 1 year longer. Those three exclusives are all top notch games and well-made, even though it has way more than just 3 exclusives.
Meanwhile PC hasn't gotten a single AAA exclusive this gen in comparison.
>>339254241
The system limitations are maybe one of the best things that happened to the game. Do you know why the fog exists? It isn't just because it's atmospheric as fuck.
>>339249210
>>339249210
too bad those backwards compatible ones broke immediately I bought 3 in 2010 I had to keep returning them because they would break after a month not being dropped or anything can't imagine now 6 years later trying to get a working one.
>>339253930
Objectively stupid opinion.
>>339249210
you forgot to add:
>Xbox360 needed HDMI adapter since the did not have HDMI ports on launch
>>339253857
Yes, it certainly had more. Any that can approach the quality of Perfect Dark or Super Mario 64? No.
Back in my day people just accepted that PlayStation is the most popular and most successful and always wins, Now because Xbox 360 beat PS3 in North America by fluke these faggots think they can challenge Sony, Nigga you can't win
>>339253857
It's true though?
Like, so true it's not even funny.
List the top 30 N64 games and compare them with the top 30 PS1 games
Protip: You won't be able to even list 30 good N64 games. Everyone loves it because they remember the classics, but forget the droughts and all the other trash.
>>339256520
Silent Hill
SotN
Suikoden II
MGS
>you now realize exactly how far Konami has fallen
>>339256815
>Survival Horror
>Parasite Eve
doubt
>buy a second hand PS4
>get to play Bloodborne (aka the best Souls game) without supporting Sony
>>339257241
the previous owner supported sony for you breh, don't worry 'bout it
Also the PS4 isn't really in need of support if you know what4/spoiler] I'm0/spoiler] saying Million
>>339256815
Whoever made that chart clearly don't know anything about genres other than RPGs.
>>339243510
Threadly reminder that:
> 23 out of the current 25 best selling games of the PS4 are multiplats
>The two remaining exclusive games were Last of Us and Uncharted collection, aka Remasters
>Bloodborne, one of the two actually good exclusives (with Disgaea 5) is the 32th best selling game of the console and sold for around 2.17 million units.
>It is less than the 8 best selling games on Wii U, a console which made only the quarter of the PS4's sales.
>The Wii U sold more than the PS4 in Japan.
The PS4 is actually a normie machine right now that built its success on hype and marketing instead of quality.
>>339257870
MODS
>>339257585
>The Wii U sold more than the PS4 in Japan.
You have a source for this?
>>339247552
This, the real indicator of the PS3's success is that it's STILL fucking selling both hardware and software.
>>339258156
>>339258398
>vgchartz
Also PS4 has been selling faster launch aligned and is set to overtake Wii U this year.
sorry boys but last gen and this gen was won by the PC MASTER RACE
last gen's best console may have been the ps3, which had the best games out of all of them. but PC overshadowed everything. this gen is where PC completely destroys consoles by miles
>>339258713
>This source is no good, please use a different one.
Source: https://zhugeex.com/2016/04/japan-console-market-sales-report-march-2016/
If it overtakes the wii U, it will be mainly because of FFXV which is a game japanese care for. But they prefer buying their games on PS3 instead of PS4.
>>339259154
Is that why PS4 sells more software than PC?
Is that why there's far more consumer hype for PS VR than for Rift or Vive?
Is that why the PS4 is the fastest selling console in history?
Look nigger, I agree with you partially. The PC is going far more mainstream in terms of adoption and attention, getting every fucking game this gen, and they all run and look better than their shitbox counterparts, plus free online, cheaper games, more input options yadda yadda yadda, but let's not be fucking delusional here. The market still favors the PS4, even if the gap is far, far smaller than it has ever been.
>>339259590
>tfw the PS4 will overtake the Wii U in Japan
feels good nigga
fuck that piece of shit
>>339260831
>getting every fucking game this gen
heeeehhh... calm your horses, anon. No need to pander that far. Just masturbate before posting again and try to act a bit more rational.
>>339260831
The marketing is why PS4 sells so much. There's no game company selling PC machine and branding their games "PC EXCLUSIVES! FOR THE PC OWNERS, DON'T BE A RETARD BUY YOURSELF A GOOD COMPUTER".
The average consumer is too dumb to see that if he buy his console $400 to avoid the cost of a computer which would cost him $800, he is losing on the long run because of the costs of the games on consoles, the paid subscription to use his internet service he is already paying for.
I'm pretty confident that the average owner of a PS4 spent more on his console than I did in the same time frame with my 3 year old rig.
>>339246991
Launch PS2s were well known for having overheating problems.
>>339243510
Setting aside all the arguments in here...i'm always afraid that Playstation is the only thing keeping Sony afloat.
Their movies, phones, TVs, and computers (rip) are net money losers. I think the Playstation is a great system but Sony seems like a very unhealthy company...
>>339243510
How come nobody ever mentions that Sony simply has more money than Nintendo and Sega at the time? How come they don't mention that Sony flat out gave money to studios to pay for their advertise budget, something they still do to this day? They even bought out Squaresoft shares, one of the Nintendo partners at the time.
I know we all like to believe that Nintendo and Sega actually had a chance but the fact is that if Sony wanted they would get every single third party by just giving them money. Something that, gasp, they actually did. There's a reason even if Nintendo would have the a "competitive" system every third party save for a few would still go to Sony. They're paid to do so. It's just how business work, Sony has the money to offer incentives to developers. Simple as that.
Microsoft is just a Sony 2.0 and they almost snatched it with the 360 before stumbling so hard.
>>339246670
>friends who bought wii
>console starts collecting dust after 2-3 months after the novelty wears out
>friends who bought ps3
>keep playing it till next gen comes
>>339263169
> costs of the games on consoles
Reason why the industry can oil its cogs
I for one am glad to play 44€ for games like Witch&HundredKnight or GrandKingdom because I like supporting devs, even though a couple of months later Witch was at half price and I'm sure the same will happen to GrandKingdom.
Also AAA gaming wouldn't exist if everyone was a Steam discount backlog-building scalper.
>>339263823
Didn't their gaming division get seperated from the rest recently? I think it stands on its own two legs and isnt affected by the rest.
ok found an article
>The new company will be known as Sony Interactive Entertainment, and will begin operation on April 1, 2016 (and no, it’s not an April Fools’ joke).
>“By integrating the strengths of PlayStation’s hardware, software, content and network operations, SIE will become an even stronger entity, with a clear objective to further accelerate the growth of the PlayStation® business,” said Andrew House, President and Global CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and Group Executive in charge of Network Entertainment of Sony Corporation.
I THINK that means if some other sector of sony goes under it wont affect the progress of their gaming industry side, but I'm not sure.
>>339262863
Is D5 good? I recall D4 sucking ass.
>>339264414
It was fun. Don't know what else to say.
>>339264785
Cute pig
