>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
>Valve hasn't released a single game in three years (and their last game was a copy/paste of an established mod)
Why do we prefer Valve over Blizzard again?
>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
>>339167738
valve single handed saved pc gaming with steam
thats it, they dont need to launch games anymore, their contribution to gaming is already huge
>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
What timeline is this?
>>339167738
We got black mesa last year though
>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
>>339168486
>Valve saved PC gaming by letting people sell RPGMaker garbage, unfinished games, and indieshit
Valve irreparably damaged the image of PC gaming as a whole. Prove me wrong.
>>339167738
>>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
>last time valve released a new ip was 7,5 years ago
When are Blizzdrones getting a containment board?
>>339167738
Why am I thinking that 95% of the Overshit threads are made by shills?
It's just Team Fortress+MOBA+FPS.
It's an okay game, nothing more.
>>339168690
an unfinished mod
>>339168782
>Diablo 3 on consoles is actually better than playing on PC
>Diablo 3 on PC still requires an internet connection at all times
>Consoles don't
What a great PC experience.
>>339168863
Alien Swarm came out in 2010
>>339167738
except memewatch is TF2 copy/paste
>>339168967
standalone remake of a mod =/= new ip
>>339167738
>>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
>Three
>Great
Are you seriously defending the new WOW expansion?
The one that killed Garosh and made it a mobile game?
>>339167738
>three great games in two years
[citation needed]
>>339168897
overwatch doesnt really feel like a moba
no leveling, skills to evolve, gear to use
and moba is like cocaine to me, but overwatch did not affect me at all
Blizzard makes video games.
Valve hasn't made a video game in 9 years (orange box)
Blizzard may take over 12 years to finally release a sequel to one of their games (Starcraft, Diablo 2) and sure, it causes controversy (Diablo 3 is fucking garbage) but at least they released it.
Valve is a third party software distributor who got out of the business of making games years ago, when they realized they can manipulate markets and make literally billions of dollars by doing N O T H I N G A T A L L.
>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
Amazing, top work lad.
>>339168967
by that logic dota2 came out in 2013
>>339169052
>Valve hasn't made a video game in 9 years (orange box)
Dota?
>>339167738
>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
Blizzard has never released a good game. The only good game Valve has ever released is the original Half-Life. Valve is only marginally better than Blizzard.
>>339168486
>valve single handed saved pc gaming with steam
Ah, the immense ignorance.
>>339168486
Seconded
Not to mention Blizzard now a shell of what it was, and now focuses on shitting out marketable shite.
>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
>>339167738
Because Valve is basically a market platform now, while Blizzard is stuck developing games.
>>339169052
>Blizzard makes video games.
Name just one that they've released in the past 5 years. And mind you, if it has a certain amount of cinematics or money spent into CGI graphics, it's not a game anymore. It's now classified as a movie, just like TLOU or Uncharted.
>>339168782
pc gaming is about choices
you choose to buy shitty games, its not valve's fault, the choice is yours bro
there are thousands of games on steam and this is great, there is a space for everyone, not only the triple aaa two billion dollars games
>>339169052
>Valve hasn't made a video game in 9 years (orange box)
>What is L4D
>What is L4D2
>What is Portal 2
>What is Dota 2
>What is CS:GO
I'm not defending Valve, but saying that they haven't made a game since orange box makes you a complete retard.
>>339168994
>has a similar game mode
>has a few heroes that play somewhat like a few of a few of the classes in TF2
>ultimately plays nothing like TF2
>COPY PASTE HURP DURP IVE NEVER PLAYED IT
>>339169029
it's a moba in the sense that everyone gets an IWIN button and feels special even if they're shit
whereas in tf2 individual skill is a lot more important
>>339169029
Yeah, I meant parts of it by having skills like in a normal MOBA.
I'm annoyed by all these threads about it, why can't they use /vg/ for it?
>>339167738
>Tencent has released three knock off games in two years
Overwatch is great. Meanwhile valve is being the ultimate jew with their hats, skins, trading and gambling garbage.
>>339169307
>Overwatch is great
Shame you can't filter namefags.
>>339167738
they're both shit and two of the biggest reasons pc gaming gets worse every year
>>339168782
because sony and microsoft are doing such a great job of making console gaming appealing, right? both consoles have like 3 must-own exclusives between them.
>>339169307
How much does Blizzard pay you?
>>339169368
>I don't like game
Cool
>>339169307
>Meanwhile valve is being the ultimate jew with their hats, skins, trading and gambling garbage.
but thats exactly how blizzard will keep overwatch alive in the long run
it angers me how they charged so much for a game that will be swarmed with micro transactions in no time
>>339167738
All Valve games are shit.
Blizzard made Warcraft 3.
Hmmmm..let's see who's the better company..
>>339169368
wut
>>339169307
Did you forget that you can now buy gold and max level characters in WoW now?
>>339167738
Valve doesn't dumb down their games for casuals or sell themselves out for sales. Blizzard has corrupted PC gaming with it's awful design choices and downright greedy business practices.
Honestly, only Valve remains as THE PC gaming publisher. They only make games once in awhile, but when they do they knock it out of the park. Besides, their games age like wine while Blizzard games age like milk, milk that's already gone bad at release.
People who shittalk Valve are retards who aren't looking at the bigger picture. Shit like Dota 2 pretty much sets the standard for video games. Challenging and rewarding gameplay with a completely fair business model.
Honestly, I'd rather a company not make games anymore and just support the games they have out already, than just continue pumping out one bad game after another.
>>339169409
paid in cum
>>339169409
They're paying him in Overwatch Crates. If the work is good, he gets a Hearthstone booster pack.
>>339169443
Right now it's just loot crates and I don't see that changing. There isn't even trading in overwatch and all new characters and maps will be free.
I still don't like the paying for loot crates but if it makes characters and maps free I'll accept it.
>>339169447
Warcraft 3 was dog shit
>>339169503
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Valve doesn't sell themselves out for sales.
>>339169497
I'm not defending wow.
Didn't know you could buy gold officially though.
>>339169503
is this some delusional reddit pasta or something?
>>339169470
Saying that Valve are jews, but Blizzard somehow aren't is about the most Blizzdrone shit you can say.
>>339169503
>Shit like Dota 2 pretty much sets the standard for video games. Challenging and rewarding gameplay with a completely fair business model.
to be fair, valve only nailed the fair business model part
the game itself was already created and had a huge playerbase
>>339169004
moar
Valve released a game a few months ago idiot
>>339169691
They don't. Dota 2 is true to the original and CS:GO is the best FPS on the market.
>>339169726
There's nothing delusional about being right.
>>339167738
it sucks that valve got wrapped up in VR, hardware and OS bullshit, but source 2 is near complete so i'm hopeful that the new games are going to start rolling out.
>>339169503
keep in mind valve also have three of the most played multiplayer games on pc under their belt. csgo, dota, tf2. and in the past they had cs:source, cs1.9, hl1dm, tfc, hl2dm. i think it's safe to include gmod there too as a lot of valve's work went into that.
>>339169203
I never chose to have the market be flooded by every "me too!" shit peddler with a credit card and access to the Unity store. If Valve wants to retire as a virtual marketplace then more power to them. But if that's what they want to do they should at least put some pride in their work and provide some quality control.
No one can name or find quality PC exclusives anymore because the market has been saturated by indieshit and early access "games."
Steam is proof that not everyone deserves space on the market, because for every one good PC game on the market there are 100 garbage titles that push the good games off the storefront because ironic memesters like upvoting tits and broken physics.
>>339169749
Maybe if Blizzard hired Icefrog instead of laughing him out they could have been as successful as Valve, but nope, they are jews and will die like jews. Overwatch is a flop and so is that shitshow of a movie. We're witnessing Square Enix 2.0 here.
>>339168486
They destroyed it you fucking pleb. They have a monopoly and PC games are more expensive than they've ever been
>>339169749
>the game itself was already created
Umm no. Just because the design rules are clear - doesn't mean that "the game is already created". There's a lot more to game development than ideas.
Blizzard is 10x worse.
>>339169817
>but source 2 is near complete
Dota 2 is already running it.
Now they'll make stuff for it I'd guess.
>>339169819
>No one can name or find quality PC exclusives anymore because the market has been saturated by indieshit and early access "games."
And Blizzard's selection of games is any different? Games like Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 are such broken trash that they might as well have never left alpha testing. And Overwatch has the quality control of these same "indieshit" games.
>>339169307
>Overwatch is great
opinion
and a bad one at that
>Meanwhile valve is being the ultimate jew
both companies are run by jews and should go under
anybody that plays valve or blizz games should be thrown in a gas chamber desu
>>339169376
This remedial level of deflecting makes you sound like a hardcore valvedrone.
I didn't say anything about consoles. Valve makes PC gaming look bad regardless of consoles.
>>339169004
What a beta. I wish I was him.
>>339167738
>three great games
According to whose standards? Get the fuck outta here. Blizzard has released 3 asset changes of established mods.
>>339169912
>PC games are more expensive than they have ever been
Kek nah your a dumb noob that isn't true at all
>>339168486
Valve was actually a piece of shit that forced you to download Steam if you wanted to play cs 1.6
It was annoying and slow, took forever to update on 56k and was nothong more than a downloaded server browser.
Valve was shit and became what they are today by pissing people off.
>>339169996
Edgy falseflagging Blizzdrone.
>blizzard has microtransactioned the shit out of the industry for years
>has destroyed expansion packs and reduced what they once meant
>valve provided huge competition to stores to cut prices for pc gamers
>continues to provide great service
Blizzcvcks kek
>>339167738
Valve has saved gaming by allowing loli content on their platform.
>>339169969
How the fuck does overwatch have the qc of indie games? Explain that one to me.
>>339169996
Well most people who have tried the beta like it and think it's fun so I guess loads of people here and everywhere have a shit opinion.
>>339169996
Valve rapes blizzard fuck off edgy shit
>>339168945
>>Diablo 3 on consoles is actually better than playing on PC
>>339169969
Why do you keep deflecting? Despite this thread, I don't give two shits about Blizzard. All I care about is how Valve and Steam have gone to shit, and through Steam's ubiquity, PC gaming has gone to shit.
>>339169131
>Blizzard has never released a good game. The only good game Valve has ever released is the original Half-Life. Valve is only marginally better than Blizzard.
I can't wait to see what video games you actually like.
>>339168486
>killing WON
>saved pc gaming
>>339170148
>How the fuck does overwatch have the qc of indie games?
No consistency with characters, terrible optimization (20 tick rate for starters, letting people pay for loot crates instead of forcing them to play the game like they should), focusing too much on youtube cinematics instead of putting that time and money into the game, for starters.
Valve destroys Blizzard on every front, they also make far more money. You see how Blizzard had to shill the shit out of Overwatch just to sell it while Valve makes more off of just compendiums for a game with no advertisements but instead a strong and loyal playerbase?
That's built off the respect Valve gives it's customers while Blizzard has earned the scorn of it's customers by constantly jewing them and destroying beloved franchises.
If the mods weren't so deep in ActiBlizzards pockets we wouldn't be seeing so many Blunderwatch threads. We need to send these mindless degenerates to a containment board and keep /v/ degenerate free.
>>339168994
But that would make Overwatch require skill?
>>339169215
Valve PUBLISHED the following games:
L4D
L4D2 (Which released 8 months after L4D, an obvious cash grab)
DOTA 2 (DOTA is based directly off of Blizzard's WC3)
CS:GO (Made by Hidden Path.)
Portal was created by a final year group of university students and impressed Valve so much that they hired them, took the IP, and incorporated it. Then I suppose it is TECHNICALLY a Valve game, but was made by people who initially never worked for Valve.
VALVE IP's are Ricochet and Half Life. There is no Ricochet 2. There is no Half Life 3. There never will be.
Remember that time made one of the best looking shooters and then threw it under a fucking bus in the name of a quick and easy buck
>>339169704
Well Wow is the game that pretty much elevated Blizzard to god teir right? You know their flagship game that they squandered back when Blizzard became ACTIVISIONBlizzard. Blizz care only for the hypetrain now. Sure their cut-scenes are gorgeous, but the games they make have little shelf life.
>>339170148
>most people who have tried the beta like it
Nice assumptions. I didn't like it, therefore I assume that most people didn't, what now?
Also:
>a lot of people like it so it's good
A lot of people watch shitty movies and eat shit food, that doesn't automatically mean that they're good. Popularity doesn't equate quality, nigger.
>>339170414
You forgot Day of Defeat (also created by others initially as a mod)
>>339170331
>no consistency with the characters
What? The whole point is for them to be diverse but they still fit in the universe. They all work well from a gameplay standpoint.
>20 tick
I hate this but the game can handle more and they've said at the very least competitive and custom will have a higher rate. Hopefully all get a higher rate.
>letting people pay for loot crates
It's all cosmetic, can't be traded and results in maps and characters all being free. I'll take that over battleborns model.
>YouTube cinematics
I very much doubt those even dent their budgets.
None of this even has anything do with being like indie games. Especially the last one.
>>339169189
>Name just one that they've released in the past 5 years. And mind you, if it has a certain amount of cinematics or money spent into CGI graphics, it's not a game anymore. It's now classified as a movie, just like TLOU or Uncharted.
Name one Blizzard game that can be classified as a movie under these circumstances.
>>339170148
>Well most people who have tried the beta like it and think it's fun
About 10 million people use steam daily and enjoy it. So I guess by that logic, steam and valve are good companies?
>>339169503
>Valve doesn't dumb down their games for casuals
antlion_tunnels.jpg
and TF2 was pretty fucking dumbed down
>>339170143
Let me guess
It costs $40 on the market place
>>339167738
We don't valve is trash. Blizz isn't great but at least they used to be good.
>>339168486
>valve saved pc gaming by further popularizing DRM
You can tell a person's age when they say dumb shit like this.
>>339169819
>indieshit
But indie games are the best ones on the market, desu.
>>339170034
the only people who care about the 'image' of pc gaming are the people who
>>339170515
No it doesn't but the only thing you have against its quality is your shitty fucking opinion saying "lol its shit".
It's meta score and ratings from people who have played it is very good. Feel free to find something more objective than that.
>>339170441
Well the only blizz game I play is overwatch and I used to play wow but not anymore. So I'm not going to defend anything other than OW, and OW is extremely fun and has way more shit than TF2 did on launch.
>>339170626
>About 10 million people use steam daily
A lot more people use Steam daily.
>>339170582
>What? The whole point is for them to be diverse but they still fit in the universe.
Then why do the villainous characters work with the heroes, aka Tracer and Widowmaker being on the same team? That destroys any immersion the game tries to put out.
>I hate this but the game can handle more and they've said at the very least competitive and custom will have a higher rate.
Why isn't this a feature at launch?
>It's all cosmetic
Doesn't matter. People hated TF2 for it, so it's never allowed in any way. You will not sell a single thing even if it's cosmetic. Otherwise you're just as bad as Valve.
>>339170727
>drm is bad
go suck a pirate's cock
>>339170532
Team Fortress,
Action Half Life,
Science and Industry,
Firearms,
Counter Strike,
Day of Defeat,
Half of these are based off of Quake II or Quake I mods. The other half were free-to-play community mods if you purchased a copy of Half Life 1. Where I live, Half Life 1 remained $50 until the week Half Life 2 released precisely because it remained popular as a modding/community platform that Valve never tried to stick its fingers into.
Eventually they did- I saw TFC in stores, CS 1.6 in stores, etc.. and I laughed- Why spend $29 on a mod when you can get the base game and then download them all? But there are so many children allowed to post on /v/ now that they never watched or followed Valve's progress as a company. Most people here now were 7 when Half Life 2 was released, and have been using steam literally their entire PC-gaming lives- so it's understandable that they believe that Valve actually made these games and IP's.
>>339170626
There is worse out there but there really isn't any alternatives that are comparable.
Also you're comparing a game to a service and strawmanning.
Not sure about Overwatch but HS and HotS definately are great games.
>>339170414
L4D was developed by Valve though.
People are always picky about Valve hiring mod creators when in reality every employee in every game company is a mod creator in their own right.
>>339170670
There's none for sale right now but I'm sure it's gonna be expensive.
>>339167738
>Valve
>Ends Half Life 2 on a cliffhanger
>"Episode 3 will come out and conclude the story"
>Episode 3 becomes Half Life 3
>Half Life 3 becomes cancelled in the middle of a commercial boom for multiplayer games
>We're not getting Half Life 3 because it's a single player game that they can't fucking Jew
You bet I hate Valve.
>>339170414
Would I be sued if I made a game like Ricochet?
>>339170862
HS's more Jewish than any of Valve's games.
>>339170602
Starcraft 2.
>every other mission has a 10 minute long cinematic before and after the mission
>others have no less than ten minutes of cinematics WHILE IN THE MISSION
>hours dedicated to progressing muh story narrative
Diablo 3
>pretty much the same as above
Overwatch
>see all the youtube cinematics
Stuff like this is not allowed to exist, otherwise your game is a movie.
>>339167738
valve released a vr game quite recently
>>339170148
>How the fuck does overwatch have the qc of indie games? Explain that one to me.
>>339170947
I got every card I could possibly want and didn't pay a dime. Arena is a pretty fair deal.
>>339170785
I'm not a lorefag but villains aren't always cartoon mustache twirlers. The enemy of my enemy if I had to guess.
>why isn't this a feature at launch
I don't know. I'm not a dev. Launch constraints? Server budget? I don't know.
>people hated tf2 for it
Overwatches cosmetics are nothing like tf2.
Would you prefer paid characters and map packs? I wouldn't. Ideally you'd have neither but I don't think that's realistic.
>>339170918
valve got bored of the formula before the audience did, which is probably for the best. seriously ask yourself, would hl3 be able to meet the expectations of its audience? where can fps games go? heck the best fps games of the past few years (wolfenstein, doom) went BACKWARDS to make themselves good.
>>339170869
who is Turtle Rock.
>>339170985
>Calling the most gamey dev outside of fucking Nintendo a movie maker
>>339170876
Knew it.
Got a British flag as my background and even something as simple as that cost me a good £2.
Those would be skyhigh.
>>339170918
>this
They have incredible talent over there when it comes to single player shooters, so what do those guys do all day?
>>339170331
>focusing too much on youtube cinematics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNgNBsCI4EA&list=PLmf3sYD6H2L6dqv2ZZW8asDd8J8NvygAe
>>339171050
>The enemy of my enemy if I had to guess.
But there's literally no reason for them to not kill eachother on sight. That's what the cinematics established.
>Overwatches cosmetics are nothing like tf2.
The only thing that matters is that people can pay for them. It's disgusting.
>>339171009
Honestly haven't even noticed this. I have to check next time I play.
>>339171098
People that Valve hired that are now effectively a part of Valve. They don't even go by the name Turtle Rock publicly. They're just Valve.
>>339170918
>We have so much more freedom with episodic content. I feel that episodic content will become the staple for gaming in the future, as it allows us to release a solid six hours of single-player gameplay every six to eight months, as opposed to twelve hours of gameplay every three or four years.
>They release two episodes and then never, ever, ever mention Half Life again. Ever.
They are clearly ashamed of themselves and it is the biggest open dirty secret that Valve abandoned creating video games to use steam as a nickel-and-dime online store. It's a good idea, a great one actually- I am not mad at Valve for capitalizing on digital game ownership or opening a digital store; The problem is that they have all these new found billions in which they really could have made an amazing Half Life 3, or a whole new IP, and been able to outspend all other AAA companies WITHOUT having to have their massive dreams being crushed by publishers beholden to public investors.
What has Valve done with their free money? They all live like Kings (as they should) and do nothing else. They don't make huge games, they don't take big risks, they don't try and revolutionize anything except the amount of cash that flows into their bank accounts. This is all fairly obvious stuff to anyone who even casually follows the history of big Video Game Companies that they grew up with.
>>339167738
>Valve's last game was a copy paste of an entablished mod
Well then, Overwatch is a copypaste of TF2
>>339171098
a company that valve bought. i followed l4d's development and most of l4d's development took place AT valve's hq.
>>339171147
>There used to be a time when people though Meet the Pyro would never happen
Fuck, I forgot how good these were.
>>339167738
>three great games in two years
>hearthstone the RNG fest
>heroes of the storm the failed Dota/League clone
>Overwatch the "tf2" killer thats unbalanced bullshit
>in all 3 blizzard is trying to force a shitty competitive atmosphere
>valve doesnt need to release another game because all of their games can stand and last for a good 7+ years before needing a sequel
>starcraft 2 didnt even last 2 years before it fucking started to die
Face it, blizzard was once a titan but their shitty business decisions have made them a laughing stock.
>inb4butvalveonlytakesmods!
>inb4muhdota2isntgood
>inb4muhoverwatchkilledtf2
>inb4muhcsgorngfest
>>339171131
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCISR0T3grE
>it's not a movie!
>>339171147
But didn't you say that TF2 is a bad game? So if anything, this supports my argument.
>>339171139
They leave.
>>339170757
And your opinion is not shitty because you substitute the word "shit" with "great"?
How dense are you? Just because people rate the food at McDonalds highly, doesn't mean it's the pinnacle of culinary achievement and you failing to grasp this concept shows what an utter fucking retard you are.
"It has good metacritic scores" is not an argument when you're talking about an overhyped game from a multi-billion dollar company that pays multiple game journalists their salaries.
>>339168994
> Overwatch is just TF2 with a thousand times less content
> Add in cheap waifus
Thats all Overwatch is at the end of the day. Blizzard fags BTFO.
>>339167738
both are shit, i enjoy games nonetheless.
fun is indeed allowed.
>>339171202
How is that the only thing that matters. I ask again would you rather have to pay for new maps and characters or just not receive any new ones instead?
I'm not even going to bother arguing lore, I know zero about it and haven't even watched the cinematics. I just meant that the characters worked well design wise and gameplay wise.
>>339171135
It really depends, it's a uncommon background so it shouldn't be that hard. Surprised it's not a rare one because it's the lewdest steam loli background I've ever seen.
>>339171139
>They have incredible talent over there when it comes to single player shooters
alot of them have left at this point
they fuck around adding hats to dota or cs and waste time with virutal reality and the steamOS
>>339171305
>It's the "le single player campaign of starcraft is the most important part of the game" meme
>>339167738
What are you doing with your life, OP?
>>339171306
Laidlaw isn't really who I'm talking about.
In terms of writing, half-life has always been mediocre to good at best.
>>339171349
>I ask again would you rather have to pay for new maps and characters or just not receive any new ones instead?
I'd rather a game give me new content and never charge me for content, EVER. I will not accept any less.
>>339169912
http://www.in2013dollars.com/1996-dollars-in-2016?amount=35
They cost more or less the same.
blizzard's last 'great game' was something wow related, probably TBC
they are just cashing in their assets, and have been for some time now
meanwhile TF2 is still drastically better than oversports, and based on their balancing that isn't going to change
blizzard is rehash cashin everywhere, valve is keeping the real dream alive, more or less
>>339167738
>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
>great
Overwatch is bretty fun but Hearthstone and WoW are shit.
>>339171202
>Tf2 has 9 mercenaries
>they can somehow fight on both sides
>there can somehow be multiples of the same merc
Every multiplayer game has some level of disconnect between gameplay and lore.
>>339167738
"We" don't. Only the kiddos and nostalgia-retards do. Those of us who used to love Valve have noticed the complete change in the company these past 10 years.
They noticed that they have become content with selling other peoples games more than they care about making their own. They noticed they began outsourcing their game productions to literally who (look up who made CS:GO), then slapping hats, skins, loot crates, etc. onto them.
They noticed that they are actively moving to monetize user-made content that has otherwise always been free. See: Paid mods, which pissed off the entire community and they are STILL thinking of bringing it back. Not to mention the overall shitty quality TF2 got brought down to because they kept bringing in user made gun skins wholesale and slapping shitty modifiers onto it.
Valve as a game company has been dead for a while. They might as well just rename the company to Steam, because that's truly all they give a fuck about anymore.
>>339171380
>""""game"""""
>when it has over 3 hours of cinematics
You lost me.
>>339171452
>Those of us who used to love Valve have noticed the complete change in the company these past 10 years.
Are you kidding me? Have you SEEN how Blizzard has changed in the same past 10 years?
Lmfao.
>>339171009
>I've Never Made A Video Game Before: The Post
>>339171450
That's because TF2 doesn't take itself seriously, and doesn't try to bank on epic "dramatic" lore, or "muh feelings"
It's easier to excuse plotholes when the game isn't building itself up to be a massive cinematic dump.
Honestly I'm happy at the current state of the industry.
People complaining don't realize that it could be a whole, whole lot worse.
As bad as you think Valve and Blizzard are, they haven't dropped to EA levels yet and I'd rank them both among the top four video game companies (note I did not say devs) in the industry.
1. CDPR
2. Valve
3. Blizzard
4. Remedy
Remedy makes good games, but they just can't seem to catch a break with their Microsoft partnership.
>>339171323
No. Review sites, user reviews and far more say the game is good. I don't know what you have to say it's shit besides your shitty opinion.
What else do you want as a metric that's quantifiable and objective?
I hate you retarded kids who go around saying "lol its shit just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good" when no one is saying that.
I'm saying it's fun, there's no other metric to go on besides review scores and opinion, and the review scores are good and mean more than one /v/edditors opinion.
>muh games journalists
I'm talking about user scores too dipshit.
Also your McDonald's analogy is tired and stupid. With food theirs lots of differences like how easy it is to acquire, cost, price differences etc.
With video games they are all generally the same price range if they're new releases, they are all just as simple to acquire as the next and the whole point of any video game is "is it fun?" essentially.
>>339169004
>a cute girl will never bully you with her feet
>>339171306
>laidlaw
>good at writing
Laidlaw was only called in to revise half lifes story. In face in the original draft gordon never went to xen he stayed in black mesa but Laidlaw thought that players would eventually get tired of seeing the labs even near the end of the game so he added Xen as a break up from the black mesa labs you have seen the entire game.
Valve sucks because they can't design a good fucking UI for the life of them. Seriously, all of their games have absolutely awful UIs. At least Blizzard UIs are decent.
>>339168486
>make mandatory always online DRM malware
>ends the concept of video game ownership
>save pc gaming
the fuck??
>>339171602
>>339171009
Valve had a really good system for making facial expressions and lip syncing. That made implementing that stuff a lot easier.
>>339171452
>They noticed that they are actively moving to monetize user-made content that has otherwise always been free.
i'm sure all those content makers are as upset as you are anon. upset that they are getting rewarded for their efforts.
paid mods failed because it took a game (skyrim) that already had a huge free modding community and tried to monetize it.
>>339171339
>less content
It has far more heroes and around the same amount or more modes as when tf2 released if I'm not mistaken. How exactly is that less content?
>>339171639
>user reviews and far more say the game is good
>but the people who said TF2 are good (user review scores) are wrong
>>339171303
Blizzard isn't forcing anything in HS. The game came without spectator modes and still lacks countless essential features for an esports game. It became a huge competitive deal because it's just so fucking popular. When 50k-100k people are watching HS on twitch 24/7, naturally people realized there is a huge interest in watching people play the game and seeing who is the best.
It's as natural an esport as you can get.
>>339171729
muh decade
Anyway, what good games did Valve make?
>TF2
Originally a mod.
>CS:GO
Originally a mod.
>Dota 2
Originally a mod.
I mean, you can't call Half-Life or Portal good games with a straight face.
Valve guys have never been good game developers. They are just good at making money.
>>339171450
The lore in TF2 is that mercenaries fight over intel and land. In the game mercenaries fight over land and intel.
The lore in Overwatch is that multiple mercenaries are reinstated and are trying to save the world. Yet in the game they're all killing each other over a fucking cart, for some inexplicable reason.
It's not a disconnect, the lore in Overwatch is COMPLETELY irrelevant and goes directly against it's gameplay. To the point where it would be better to have no lore, at all.
>>339171578
>Blizzard is worse so we have to like Valve!
Can't we just accept that both companies are shit? This thread is getting old with the drones arguing which flavor of shit tastes better.
>>339171420
Good luck with your unrealistic expectations then.
>>339171604
Overwatch takes itself seriously? When all the characters pop jokes in the pre game spawn room, you can wear firefighter outfits as Mei, stuntman outfits as soldier 76, and other ridiculous shit?
Overwatch isn't some super serious game.
>>339171798
look at the op image. now delete your pointless post.
>>339171794
>the lore in Overwatch is COMPLETELY irrelevant and goes directly against it's gameplay. To the point where it would be better to have no lore, at all.
THIS. If the game had absolutely no story and was just "there's treasure and everyone wants it" or something simplistic, I'd like the game more. But since Blizzard is trying to push their lore as if it was deep, and they keep releasing cinematics and want everyone to "Care" then the gameplay directly contradicts that.
>>339171792
>I mean, you can't call Half-Life or Portal good games with a straight face.
Why not? They'refun.
Blizzard are definitely better sound designers than Valve. I can't stand to play TF2 for more than 15 minutes because the sound is a fatiguing mess of distortion due to being mixed at full volume. Whereas Overwatch has nice clean sound mixing that's easier on the ears and allows me to play for hours at a time without wanting to turn the game off.
>>339171794
one of the carts is some important omnic and you are supposed to protect him to his destination
>>339171729
>heroes
Kill yourself ASSFAGGOTS fan
>>339171851
>Good luck with your unrealistic expectations then.
>what is Shovel Knight, Terraria, and FTL
>Overwatch isn't some super serious game.
Then stop with the youtube cinematics and strip the lore from the game. Clearly the game would benefit without them.
>>339171604
What metric do you use to measure how "seriously" a game takes itself? Plenty of fighting games have stories that are supposed to be serious and yet they allow for mirror matches or allies fighting each other. Same goes for shooting games.
>>339171731
Nice. Now you're literally just making shit up you fucking mongoloid.
I actually really liked tf2 and I haven't bad mouthed the game besides valves shitty direction that in my eyes ruined it.
Tf2 is a good game.
>>339171792
You forgot Left 4 Dead, which is also a mod of Counter Stike.
>>339171910
Lore:
>OY WINSTON GOOD TO SEE YA GOV'NAH!
Gameplay:
>YOU FUKKIN GORRILAH MOTHAFUCKA I'LL HOOK YA RIGHT IN THE GABBAH MATE WITH MY TIMEY WIMEY POWAHS
>>339171792
Their original games featured something that wasn't available at the time. Be it "interactive" cutscenes or facial animations happening real time.
Their mods, on the other hand, are opportunities at making money.
>>339172041
>You forgot Left 4 Dead, which is also a mod of Counter Stike.
No it isn't.
Overwatch would be pretty lucky to have tf2's players
>A fanbase that doesn't leave no matter how shit valve makes the game
>on top of that have things like sfm, community created updates
>Competitive was made entirely by players, valve did not do one bit
>>339171792
>tf2 originally a mod
No team fortress the quake mod was.
>CS:GO originally a mod
No, but the classic counter-strike half life mod which was from the game they made was
>Dota 2 Originally a mod
No but the original Dota was.
None of the games you listen were ever mods at one point in their life spans you fucking idiot.
Dota 1, for warcraft 3 was a mod.
Counter-strike the mod for half life was a mod
Team fortress the mod for quake was a mod
But TF2, CS:GO, and Dota 2 were NEVER mods they were originally made games.
>>339172023
>what metric do you use to measure how "seriously" a game takes itself
When a game has wacky characters cracking jokes, then has one get violently killed in a slow motion dramatic scene where everyone starts blubbering like babies (for example, that Widowmaker vs Tracer short) then I throw the game in the trash.
With TF2, there's never a moment where they want me to cry because a baby got violently murdered, or a woman had a miscarriage. It's basically comedy all the way through.
>>339171974
I don't even play ASSFAGGOTS you fucking tard, overwatch calls them heroes.
>>339172018
You're seriously comparing singleplayer fucking indie games to overwatch? In terraria the only multiplayer is run by players anyway.
Overwatch is a multiplayer only game with a shit ton of all blizzard owned and payed for servers and costs a metric fuck ton more than a singleplayer indie title. What a retarded comparison to make.
>>339170414
If you want to play that devils advocate then Blizzard has never made a game.
>>339171792
>b-b-b-but it's based on a mod!
what kind of stupid dumbfuck argument is this shit?
warcraft was a dune ripoff.
wow was an everquest ripoff.
do you seriously fucking think there is any game that is wholly original? and is originality indicative of quality?
>>339171887
>Why do we prefer Valve over Blizzard?
Yes, and I want to know why we should like either? Nobody has to like one more than the other.
>>339172292
more like retard's advocate
>>339172018
>stop with the YouTube cinematics if it isn't super serious
>tf2 has YouTube cinematics and isn't super serious
So do you hate both or what?
>>339172282
>You're seriously comparing singleplayer fucking indie games to overwatch?
Yes, I am. And they had more content AT LAUNCH, with lower price tags to boot. What's Blizzard's excuse?
>Overwatch is a multiplayer only game with a shit ton of all blizzard owned and payed for servers
All of which are worse than privately hosted servers. No freedom to customize the server = garbage bin.
>>339168486
Did you even play pc games before steam? Judging by your opinion, no.
>Starcraft II
>Retarded APM fest of an RTS
>Hearthstone
>As all card games, it's 80% luck and 20% deckbuilding aka shit
>Overwatch
>Shitty "everyone's a winner" shooter with mechanics so shallow that they might just as well not exist
Great games indeed. OP has once again proven himself a faggot.
>>339172142
Pretty sure that's what they said I'm the dev commentary mode. They definitely said it started as them playing CS against a huge team of bots with knives, I could be sworn they also said they built the game from CS but it's been so long since I've gone through that.
so OW copied Pudge hook right.
>>339171305
>But didn't you say that TF2 is a bad game?
Um, no?
Why do you think I'm someone else here?
>>339167738
>>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
Name one.
>>339167738
We don't.
>>339172210
Don't worry, retards fail to grasp that just because 10 years ago a mod existed, doesn't mean the devs can just conjure a game out of nowhere, without any effort or resources required.
Also, get this: Blizzard haven't made a single original game. Their entire fucking library consists of simplified versions of other games.
>>339172435
Just because they got the idea for L4D from a custom CS gamemode doesn't make it a 'mod' of Counter Strike. As someone who has actually played that gamemode, they are not similar in the slightest apart from 3 or 4 people versus a horde of zombies.
>>339172398
DO YOU UNDERSTAND how much easier and cheaper it is to make something like FTL compared to overwatch? My god I can't believe I have to explain this to you.
>all of which are worse than private servers
That's just an opinion, I personally don't mind because I don't get banned by fucking mini tyrant admin little kid faggots for saying words they don't like or breaking their precious server rules.
Playing bf4 made me realize I don't even care for private owned servers much anymore unless there is a huge modding scene or something.
>>339172372
I want Valve to focus on the game again and the cinematics need to take a break, yes. As much as I liked End of the Line (I know, not made by them, but it was the center of an update) and Expiration Date, they need to put focus and money back into the game. In particular work on the competitive scene.
>>339170757
I don't give a fuck about blizzard, never have, and the only fuck I can give anymore about valve is if they mention something about half life 3, or whatever next installment finishes the story.
>>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
Name 1 (one) game.
>>339171929
overwatch guns sound like weakass trash
>>339172640
how many blatantly unwarranted 0 ratings does each game have
>>339172606
>DO YOU UNDERSTAND how much easier and cheaper it is to make something like FTL compared to overwatch?
That's Blizzard's fault for wasting so much money on CGI and graphics and fancy voice acting. They should've budgeted better, but I won't budge on my requirements.
>That's just an opinion, I personally don't mind because I don't get banned by fucking mini tyrant admin
Yeah, you'll just get banned by Blizzard themselves if you say something not approved by their censorship admins.
>>339172691
That one Starcraft Expansion.
>>339172625
I don't really care either way because I won't be playing tf2 again especially after overwatch.
All of the trading, hats and shit ruined the game for me. Going on and seeing the server list filled with "SURF, IDLE, TRADING" etc. is vomit inducing and the game feels awful to me now.
>>339172429
>>>Hearthstone
>>As all card games, it's 80% luck and 20% deckbuilding aka shit
Eeeeh, not really.
If you have a solid deck it becomes 40/60 and even then it depends on a match up.
Meanwhile in heartstone you have little to no interactivity and too many luck based effects.
>>339172465
I dont think Pulge was the first chain pull guy.
There are rumors of a L4D3 releasing in 2017, I can't recall the last time a Valve rumor amounted to anything though.
>>339172357
He's right actually, Warcraft is a Warhammer ripoff. Diablo was some other guys invention, Overwatch is a TF2 ripoff...WoW is an everquest ripoff.
>>339172465
kind of weird how wc3 abominations never actually had a hook ability until dota introduced pudge. yet now it's fucking EXPECTED that a moba will have a hook big fat hook character.
>>339172770
he was in the mobaverse
lol, hots, overwatch and even wow retroactively copied it
>>339172732
>All of the trading, hats and shit ruined the game for me
That's why I hate Blizzard. They pretty much did that exact same thing with loot crates by making the game about skins and remodels, so now I can never talk about the game without someone showing off their legendary skin that they paid 500 bucks for in loot crates.
>>339171727
Hey stupid fuck, read the line you quoted again. To the fucking end this time. Literally you said "you're wrong, now let me say the exact thing you just said."
>>339171578
I don't give a fuck about Blizzard. But Blizzard is infinitely better than Valve as game creators at this point BECAUSE THEY STILL MAKE GAMES.
>>339172625
As much as I like the game, it will never happen. Valve has an army of modders making all the content for minimal pay, and since Valve hates working all the content is hats and weapon reskins.
I mean the new shit Valve wants to put in the game stays in beta forever and comes out as a disappointment.
>>339172640
Like I said, I liked tf2 but the updates ruined it for me. If you think it's a better game and still do with all the cancerous shit piled on top of it, good for you.
>>339168945
>diablo
>consoles
Kek, and civ revolution is just as good am i right?
>>339169819
>I never chose to have the market be flooded by every "me too!" shit peddler with a credit card and access to the Unity store.
that's how everything works in real life, kid
closed gate markets are the worst
>>339169912
Maybe look in shops like you used to.
In electronic shops where they sell shit like TVs, laptops, vacuum cleaners and shit I still can find PC games for cheap.
Last time I checked it was Witcher 3 for 40-45€ on release.
They have Civ 5 Complete there for 10€ for years now
People just got so used to Steam sales that they don't even bother checking amazon
>>339172770
>Pudge tosses the hook expect LC to not get in the way
>LC blinks the moment she sees the hook
>Earth thinks it's fine to go back in since he thinks Pudge fucked up
Unreal
>>339172728
LOL
>>339170985
>Overwatch
>>see all the youtube cinematics
Again, https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmf3sYD6H2L6dqv2ZZW8asDd8J8NvygAe
>>339172747
At the end of the day, regardless of the TCG, games can be won or lost based on lucky draws.
It boggles the mind how there can be money on the line for something that is mostly based on luck.
>>339172801
There really needs to be more skinny hook characters like pic related
>>339172873
Valve is actively supporting all their multiplayer games which is why DOTA 2, TF2 and CS:GO are infinitely more popular than something dead like SC2 or WoW.
>>339172721
No it's not, there's no other way to put this, you're retarded if you honestly think the cgi and cinematics are separating this from being FTL budget. Literally retarded.
The servers alone would cost numerous times over what one of those indie games would take to develop.
>banned by blizz themselves
Hasnt happened to me so far. I won't defend that though if it's the case, no one should get banned for shit they say on an online game.
>>339172913
>cancerous shit
Can you name some exactly? Nobody is forcing you to buy hats, nor play on idle/surf servers
>>339172976
And because of those cinematics, Valve had no time to work on the game and just relies on user content like hat reskins. The same thing you said ruined the game.
Soo.... I guess I'm right.
>>339169912
>PC games are more expensive than they've ever been
>>339172852
There's no idle servers, no trading and no private servers.
How is it comparable?
>>339167738
>Bilzzard released 3 great games in 2 years
And in that same time valve released half life 2 and episode 1.
>>339172640
I guarantee OW has at least 100 0s from valvedrones
>>339173094
>And because of those cinematics, Valve had no time to work on the game
making source filmmaker films doesn't take much of a companies resources especially considering how spaced out they were
>>339172913
Personally I like the current game just wish the cancerous game mode bullshit didn't exist like merasmus game modes.also wish item sets were still a thing, they added variety to the game and allowed people different play styles
>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
>>339171506
>completely fucking ignoring the fucking argument
I'm pretty fucking sure SC2 multiplayer has no fucking cinematics.
>>339172728
Expansions aren't games.
>>339173074
>you're retarded if you honestly think the cgi and cinematics are separating this from being FTL budget. Literally retarded.
Game devs like Blizzard love wasting money. Pic related, a good dev can make superior quality work at a fraction of the cost of other devs.
>Hasnt happened to me so far
Their word policing in Hearthstone would say otherwise (removing the sorry emote because it was "hurting people's feelings abloo abloo")
>>339173094
>thinks that when a company puts something out, every single person is working on that thing and nothing else.
>>339173087
>nobody is forcing you
Hate this argument. You can't play without encountering all the goofy shit, goofy ass new weapons, goofy fucking hats, trader fags etc.
It ruins the feel of the game for me, I despise it. If they release a tf3 and it doesn't have that stuff I'll be on it too to try it.
>>339173041
>actively supporting all of their multiplayer games
retard.
>>339167738
>>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
such as?
>>339173175
>There's no idle servers, no trading and no private servers
All have been replaced by friendly servers where people just show off their skins and look at the ass models on Tracer and Widowmaker. Nice job Blizzard.
>>339173220
Umm, don't play them? By that logic we wouldn't have many fun gamemodes just because some faggot thinks "THE GAME ISN'T MEANT TO BE PLAYED THAT WAY"
>Blizzard has released three great games in two years
>>339173168
yes
>>339172950
>that's how everything works
>go to the supermarket
>can find the Heinz ketchup without sifting through 10,000 generic brands
>go to buy jeans
>Levis are displayed before any other knock-off or no-name brands
>go to buy a movie
>The Hateful Eight isn't mixed in with a boatload of Turkish remakes or mockbusters
>this isn't how storefronts work
>this is all somehow bad
They both are shit and I hope they day in the coming years.
>>339173264
TLOU has no cinematics in its multiplayer either. Doesn't mean it's not a movie.
>>339173296
What is the point of your image?
What I said is true, the servers alone for overwatch would be more than your indie games. The cinematics are peanuts in comparison.
>>339167738
Undertale easily
>>339173384
>friendly servers
They simply do not exist.
>>339173435
>Go to Gamestop.
>Call of Duty isn't mixed in with some shitty half assed unity shooter.
I don't get your point.
