Dark Souls > Dark Souls 3 > Demon's Souls > Dark Souls 2
Dark Souls 2 redeeming factor was that they let you choose multiple paths at the beginning either going to the Tower of Flame or Forest of the Fallen Giants
>>339136335
Actually, you got 4 path you can go through.
You can jump down to the gutter with a proper setup without Gilligan.
You can go to Huntsmen Copse as soon as you kill Dragonrider.
You can also skip all the route and farm enough souls to bypass winter shrine.
There's also things like builds, weapons and armor variety etc.
Also DLC area is godlike with a better shortcut system other than simply being on the wrong side of the door.
gameplay > everything else
ergo
DS2 > everything else
>>339136891
Too bad the game is shit.
>>339138365
>le DS2 is bad meme shitter
>>339138454
Popular opinion is not telling of a games quality, mate, because metacritic takes an average of all review scores it indicates what game reviwers think, not the actual quality of the game.
>>339136335
That better be the same enchanted weapon.
>>339138537
>Popular opinion is not telling of a games quality, mate, because 4chan/v/ takes an average of all shitposters it indicates what anons think, not the actual quality of the game.
>>339138454
If DS2 is so good why does it have 1/6th of the players online that 1 does at any given time?
>>339138702
Exactly, a game is only as good as the individual sees it, it's a fool errand to try and put objective values onto subjective things.
>>339138774
>If DS2 is so good why does it have 1/6th of the players online that 1 does at any given time?
>>339138537
>Popular opinion is not telling of a games quality
>>339136335
Please, dark souls 2 did a lot of things right gameplay and pvp wise.
>dual stance
>dual wield period
>lock on changing battle stance
>blue invading
>motherfucking guard break
>backhop being a viable move
>battle arenas
I could go on, and I havent played ds2 since the last dlc came out so im sure im forgetting a lot of shit.
>>339138783
What do you think about dark souls 3?
>>339138774
Why aren't you playing Dota 2, given your logic it's 270 times better than dork souls.
>>339136335
DeS>BB>DaSII>DaS>DaSIII
DaSIII has more well-developed bosses and better voice acting than DaSII but is worse in every other way.
I had a better time with Dark Souls 3 than with 2 and particularly 1 - mostly due to the little improvements when it comes to netcode, animations, map design and fluidity of gameplay. Demon's Souls isn't even in the same league to me - it's a clunky concept of a game that never gained momentum and had they not released Dark Souls 1 that improved on Demon's Souls in revery regard and made the concept enjoyable I doubt anyone would still remember the ancient predecessor at all.
That said, I'm still somewhat disappoined in From's inability to release a product without all the design issues the games have - ranging from balance to performance to multiplayer interactivity it's a pretty flawed experience that wouldn't be worth mentioning if there were any bit of competition in the sector of 3rd person aRPGs.
>>339139089
I think it's pretty fun, i haven't beaten it yet though, i've gotten to that dragon guy, oceries or something
>>339139320
>DaS improved on DeS in every regard
DaS is a fantastic game, but I can't think of anything it did better than DeS except world layout design.
I'll clarify I played DaS before DeS, before I get accused of being a nostalgia-fag.
DaS1≥DaS3>BB>Demon's Souls>DaS2
I wanna take away that ≥ but I'm super torn on which is better. I thought 3 for sure then I replayed 1 and I'm torn.
>>339138774
>1/6th
Currently it has 3/4ths
And Dark Souls has been on sale a gorillion times.
>>339139484
>Poise
>omnidirectional dodging
>>339136335
>crystal weapon
>crystal weapon
>blessed weapon
Speaking of which I really miss the sunlight blade, it looks gorgeous in DS1
>>339136335
3 games and they improved nothing
fucking From, lazy cunts
>>339138454
>>339136335
It's Maldron I tell you.
Everything is his fault.Too bad DS3 didn't really have a memorable invader.
>>339139976
Poise was a nice concept, but the execution was silly in DaSI.
Okay, omnidirectional dodging is fair enough. I forgot about that.
>>339136335
Why'd they dro crystal? It seemed like a neat idea, trade off longevity for damage.
>>339136335
DaS3 > DaS2 SOTFS > DaS before Lordvessel > Bloodborne > DaS2 > DaS1 after Lordvessel
>>339140287
Poise was neat because it gave a more concrete reason to use heavy armour other than better damage absorption, speaking of armour, why can't you upgrade it this time round?
>>339140482
Fashion souls, first and foremost. I see why they did it though, there's no choice when it comes to upgrading armor, a +1 piece will always be better than a +0 piece, whereas weapons have all sorts of infusion options. Upgrading armor was just a titanite sink before, and I prefer it this way really.
No, Dark souls 2 redeeming factor was power stance which made it more fun to play than any other game in the series.
>>339136335
So I finished Dark Souls 3 a few days ago and am about to start this. I've never played it before. What am I in for, how does it compare to DS3?
Any essential mods apart from DSfix that I need?
>>339141609
HD textures, flora overhaul, and hi-res fonts.
>>339141609
better gameplay
better atmosphere
better graphics
better artstyle
better characters
better weapons
better upgrading system
better level design
>>339136335
Dark Souls 2 is the only game in the series that I legitimately don't enjoy.
Honestly rate every Souls game you played
Dark Souls: 9/10
Dark Souls 2: 9/10
Dark Souls 2 SotFS: 9/10
Dark Souls 3: 9/10
>>339138916
But theyre right senpai
>>339141609
The game is easy as fuck I don't understand where people are getting the notion it's even remotely difficult.
>>339140021
>>339141803
>better gameplay
Like hell, first DaS is very clunky and slow compared to sequels. And I'm not saying it's not better, but gameplay is definitely one thing even DaS2 had over it.
>>339141824
I agree 100%. It just feels so clunky and sluggish compared to even DeS. Not to mention lack of variety and interesting stage design.
>>339136335
Bloodborne with THO>Dark Souls PTDE>Bloodborne Vanilla>Dark Souls 3>Dark Souls Vanilla> Dark Souls 2 SOTFS>Demon Souls>Dark Souls 2 Vanilla
The more I play DS3 the more I realise the difficulty is gimmicks
I've played it through about 5-6 times and i only really had trouble with any of the bosses on my first playthrough. Even Pontiff is honestly pretty fucking easy. Even going back to DS1 now having finished it 15+ times and played for hundreds of some of the bosses still give me a decent bit of trouble
Dark souls 2 is irredeemable trash
Demon's is a good game but I don't really like Latria as much as everyone else seems to and Flamelurker's hitboxes are weird but I think it's the second best in the series.
BB doesn't count because it doesn't have souls in the title, but yeah I own it and I don't like it very much
>>339138454
>metacritic itself
>not the player's review section
Opinion discarded
>>339142036
no seamless r1 > r2 > r1 combos in DaS 2 and 3, FAIL
>>339141936
Demon's Souls: 8/10
Dark Souls: 9/10
Dark Souls 2: 5/10
Bloodborne: 10/10
Dark Souls 3: 9/10
>>339141943
>Popular opinion is not telling of a games quality unless they are proving MY point
>>339142087
>4-directional rolling
Inexcusable.
>>339141936
Demons Souls: 8/10
Dark Souls: 9/10
Dark Souls 2: 4/10
Bloodborne: 9/10
Dark Souls 3: 8/10
>>339141936
Demon Souls: 8/10
Dark Souls: 9.5/10
Dark Souls 2: 7.5/10
Bloodborne: 10/10
Dark Souls 3: 9/10
>>339141936
Demon's Souls: 6/10
Dark Souls: 7.5/10
Dark Souls 2: 7/10
Dark Souls 2 SOTFS: 8/10
Bloodborne: 8/10
Dark Souls 3: 6.5/10
>>339141936
Demon's souls: 8/10
Dark Souls: 7/10
Dark Souls 2: 8/10
Dark Souls 2 SotFS: 9/10
Bloodborne: 7/10
Dark Souls 3: 9/10
>>339141936
DeS: 8/10
DaS: 9/10
DaS II: 6.6/10
DaS III: 8/10
>>339142141
>taking metacritic's reviews but not the user's reviews
>>339141936
Dark Souls: 9.5/10
Dark Souls 2: 4/10
Dark Souls 3: 8/10
Demon's Souls: 9/10
BB: Haven't beaten it yet but its feelin like around a 7
>>339141936
>Dark Souls
was fun
>Dark Souls 2
was fun
>Dark Souls 3
is fun
>>339141936
Demon's souls: 8/10
Dark Souls: 8/10
Dark Souls 2: 5/10
Dark Souls 2 SotFS: 7/10
Bloodborne: 7/10
Dark Souls 3: 8/10
>>339142345
Good position.
Dark souls 2 has the best PvP in the series
Try to deny this.
>>339142036
Is this true or is this guy just memeing?
>>339141936
Dark Souls: 9/10
Dark Souls 2: 5/10
Bloodborne : 8.5/10It absoultely gorgeous on its own way but I have a love boner for Souls.
Dark Souls 3: 8/10
>>339141936
DS1: We made a good first half of a game.
DS2: LOL REFERENCE xD PREPARE TO DIE PRAISE THE SUN AM I DIFFICULT YET?
DS3: LOL REFERENCE xD PREPARE TO D- nah jk we made the second half good.
This is literally what Dark Souls development was like.
>>339141936
Demon's Souls: 10/10
Dark Souls: 9/10
Dark Souls 2: 8/10
Bloodborne: 10/10
Dark Souls 3: 9/10
God damn it, I love this series.
>>339141936
DeS: 9/10 on release, 8.5/10 current.
DkS: 9.5/10 on release, 7/10 current w/ DLC.
DkS2 3/10 on release, 6/10 current w/ DLC.
BB: 8/10 on release, 9.5 current w/ DLC.
DkS3 7.5/10 current.
>>339142440
I honestly feel like Bloodborne is better in every way than Dark Souls, but I will always think of Dark Souls as being the better game. It was just such an incredible feeling of being lost in this beautifully terrifying world, trading secrets on /v/ to find your way through. Something about that Souls community got lost around the time that Dark Souls 2 came out
>>339141936
Demon's Souls: 9/10
Dark Souls: 8/10
Dark Souls II: 8.5/10
Dark Souls III: 7/10
BB: 10/10
I prefer DeS to BB subjectively, but I think BB is the most polished game in the series, it has no real flaws.
>>339142586
I know that Bloodborne is better than the souls games but I find myself enjoying more DaS or DaSIII than bloodborne at times.
>>339141936
You aren't allowed to rate souls game if you never played Bloodborne
>>339142586
"Something got lost" the moment DS1 went to PC.
It became Meme Souls. Dark Souls 2 is a reflection of that.
>>339142586
I think BB is very dependent on its own style, so if you don't care for the whole Poe/Lovecraft thing BB doesn't offer anything above souls, but if you like the whole Victorian London with eldricht monstrosities then it captures you much stronger than broader medieval fantasy of souls.
>>339141936
DeS: 9/10
DaS: 8/10
DaS2: 6/10
DaS3: 8/10
BB: 9/10
>>339142124
>>339142160
>>339142171
>>339142248
>>339142269
>>339142314
>>339142341
>>339142392
>>339142440
>>339142528
>>339142551
>>339142634
NOBODY IS READING THEM NOR DOES ANYONE CARE
>>339142634
Bloodborne had it's technical issues, but as far as the actual game went, it was probably the closest thing to a perfect gaming experience I've ever had
>>339142778
All that was lost was your own perception of it. It's entirely in your head and if you stop worrying about exclusivity of your toy you'll see how good DaS2 and 3 actually are.
Obligatory contrarian "DS2 is the best" post.
>>339142808
You care.
Demon souls 7.5/10
Dark souls 9/10
Dark souls 2 6/10
Dark souls 3 8/10
Bloodborne 8.5/10
>>339142808
I'm reading BB being rated the best by most people. It's good that there's a general consensus now.
>>339142908
>>339142971
I care about people typing out fucking opinions on the games not just posting stupid arbitrary numbers
Every time i try and compare the games I think I'm overthinking it and want to just go with my gut. Wen I do that my feeling is that dark souls 3 will be the best, but honestly if Im using my personal opinions (as in "I dont like this game because the aliens are purple and gay looking and make sounds I dont think aliens should make") I still end up saying dark souls 1 is my favorite because that progression of depths>blighttown>sens>anor londo leaves me feeling really accomplished. I think the reason they made the lord souls part so weird and short was because theres not really much left they could think to do. ghosts. invisible cave. jail. ......it gets really dark. the traditional and most natural ideas were already squeezed dry. izalith was almost pure shit. the only redeeming factor being those stairs with the capras and tauros. the saving grace being how easy it is to just skip through.
the other games dont stand out to me like that. demons was consistently good and so was das3 mostly but das1's peak was so high its no contest. fundamental design choices keep me from considering das2. bloodborne comes really close because it has what i believe to be the best single area in all of these games. the forbidden woods. so fucking great. maybe the ideal souls level. all the traits they have are on fucking point in this huge level.
>>339143015
But those numbers are the essence of those opinions, or do you want me to write an essay about each game explaining what I did and didn't like in them?
>>339143015
How ironic is it that your posts are arbitrary and derivative?
>>339143098
Very
But i'd rather have a thread of words than numbers
>>339143086
Of course i do you fucktards it's a god damn forum
>>339138537
why?
you still think you belong to some kind of elite with better tastes?
no, yo'ure the average consumer, tyou talk big, but you wait for the E3, you have a smartphone and you pay for DLCs
you are the average one, you belong to the average opinion
>>339142148
EXACTLY, why do I never see anyone criticizing ds1 and des for this? You literally have to play the game unlocked or your dodging is fucked.
This is why I think people praising the old games for their gameplay are just memers trying too hard to fit in. Atmosphere, npcs, and bosses are another thing, but gameplay mechanic wise they have done a lot of improvements for the series with the sequels.
2 actually did a lot to change it up, but I guess with all the backlash that came from some of their dumb changes they didnt take that many into ds3.
>>339142021
because it was marketed as a "hard" game where its players are some kind of hardcore people.
some do their best to keep the illusion, the others parrot what they heard, just like "ds2 is shit" but are unable to form a coherent argument about it.
it's actually hard to find an easier game than dark souls
Bloodborne is too spooky how do i play it without being spooked and sweating a bunch
Demon's Souls: 8/10
Dark Souls: 9/10
Dark Souls 2: 6/10
Dark Souls 2 SOTF: 7/10
Bloodborne: 9/10
Dark Souls 3: 8/10
desu senpai
>>339138365
epic meme
upvoted
You're fitting in!
>>339143221
I don't even fucking notice the 4-directional rolling in Dark Souls 1 or Demon's Souls.
>>339143220
Not him, but some things do take a little bit more user effort to enjoy than what's popular, and they're usually less popular for it.
Often people that appreciate something simple, don't have the capacity to appreciate the medium for it's more complex and nuanced offerings.
Music is quite a good example of where superior and more complicated works fly under the radar and receive only niche appreciation, while the more basic pieces are lauded as great.
>>339143474
it doesnt really make the games shit because theyre slow enough to correct your movement. if it was still in das3 itd be kinda crippling.
>>339143365
>I missed the joke because I am a newshit who likes to pretend he knows what he's talking about
How's summer vacation going btw ;)
>>339141936
Dark Souls: 9.5/10
Dark Souls 2: 1/10
Dark Souls 2 SotFS: 1/10
Dark Souls 3: 9/10
>>339143632
tell me how dark souls is hard
>>339143474
I dont know how you dont notice, its the difference between rolling behind an enemy or rolling to the side of them when you try to roll diagonally.
>>339143463
Sup, Thane?
>>339142148
>>339143221
I used a shield throughout Demon's and probably half of Dark Souls so rolling wasn't as important.
>This is why I think people praising the old games for their gameplay are just memers trying too hard to fit in. Atmosphere, npcs, and bosses are another thing, but
The thing is some of us value atmosphere, NPCs equally or above gameplay, though ideally they should be equal.
>>339143963
the unfortunate thing about bloodborne is that it makes playing souls games as action games kinda mediocre.
>>339141609
Better everything.
>>339142434
DaS2 has by far the worst gameplay.
>>339143636
You can believe that DaSII is the worst game in the series.
It's not, but you're free to believe that.
But explain to me logically, where 5/10 is an average game, why it is a 1/10.
Cut back on the hyperbole you cretin.
>>339144425
Get Tanimura's limp Jap cock out of your mouth.
>>339144625
He says swallowing another portion from Miyazaki.
>>339141936
Demon Souls : 6/10
Dark Souls: 7/10
Dark Souls 2: 7/10
Dark Souls 2 SotFS: 8/10
Bloodborne: 8/10
Dark Souls 3: 9/10
>>339144805
It doesn't take a cock sucker to see the obvious difference in quality between 2 and the rest of the franchise.
>>339144892
It does when that difference does not actually exist.
>>339144942
One day you'll stop living in denial.
>>339136335
Dark Souls 1 had like 7 starting bosses.
But whatever, I enjoyed Dark Souls 2 thoroughly. The only irredeemable aspect is Soul Memory.
The only arguably shit mechanic, that I personally hated, is every single fucking parry having like 7 startup frames at the absolute least, shits fucking ridiculous and I just stopped bothering with parrying. It was hard enough to learn it without the fucking startup, I'm not going through that shit just for the odd PvE clutch.
Ranking of the SOULS games based on what they have or don’t have compared to the other titles
Das3 > Das1 > Des > Das2
Das3
Pros:
>weapon arts, best gameplay
>best bosses
>bosses with two phases
>boss music changes with the phases
>blood splatter
>offers different interpretations to the lore
>DLC’s will only make it better
Cons:
>worst poise
>worst covenants
>able to summon people at any level with a password
Dark Souls
Pros:
>best characters
>best music
>best poise
>best covenants
>best DLC (as of now)
Cons:
>need a mod to play properly
>too many bosses that turn into normal enemies
>worst aesthetic
Demon’s Souls
Pros:
>best aesthetic
>best enemies
>best level design
Cons:
>30 fps
>can only be played on a 7th gen console
>world tendency
Das2
Pros:
>power stance and offhand moveset
>best NG+
>bonfire ascetics
Cons:
>worst control
>worst bosses
>worst level design
>enemies with tracking
>charged for a complete edition with separate servers
>weapons degrade faster when played at 60 fps
>SOUL MEMORY
>>339144425
>Worst gameplay
>Worst locales
>Worst music
>Looks like shit, this includes models, environment and animations
It is a downgrade in every single way and I fucking hate the fact that it takes up a lot in the Dark Souls trilogy when in reality it's not a fucking Souls game at all, it's a forced cash grab that banked itself way too quickly on the Dark Souls 1 hype when people realized "this is a fucking good game." It feels like dogshit to play, the stats are a fucking mess, the locations are a fucking mess, everything about it fucking blows and I wish it would disappear because it is an absolute stain on Dark Souls. Say what you want about Miyazaki, but his involvement clearly matters and Dark SOuls 2 is a clear indication of that. Dark Souls was fucking awesome, Bloodborne is supposedly a must play (haven't played it but I don't doubt the endless praise it gets because it looks amazing), and Dark Souls 3 was amazing as well and a refreshing return to form after the monstrosity that was Dark Souls 2.
Man, I get so sad that people always put DaS2 at the bottom. It had so many cool places, bosses, characters and the lore was top-tier. PvP was hella good, too.
>>339145104
>able to summon people at any level with a password
This is a good thing.
>>339144625
Hes >>339144425 right though, these games and fromsoft game series in general are very similar at the core. You either like them all and like one or two them more for specific reasons, or you hate them all and thats that. Who ever posted those ratings is trying very hard to fit in, or theyre a twink that is still seriously butthurt about soul memory.
>>339145135
it was good video game, but it's just the worse Souls game
>>339145195
I'm sorry my opinion doesn't fall within the ridiculously narrow view you have of what other people are allowed to think.
Dark Souls > Dark Souls 3 > Demon's Souls > Dark Souls 2
Completely agree with this ranking. There's a massive powergap between Demon's and Dark Souls 2 though. DS2 is just a huge disappointment on every front.
>ds2 is the worst game game in series for me
>but still is the most fun
I`m confused.
>>339145380
The game series is great, but when comparing them to each other, ds2 just falls short of greatness due to lack of meaningful content.
Adding a shitton of areas ≠ good game
dark souls 2 being bad is just a meme. iv put in more hours in 2 than i have the first
it had a buggy release and shits on the lore sure but after patches and dlc its great, the enviroments are creative and varied.
i dont get why everyone shits on it other than they're just bandwaggoning and cant form their own opinion
>>339145217
it wasn't a good video game either
you can't reduce a souls game down to being a bad souls game and have it still be a good video game. it doesn't work like that. a bad souls game is worse than an average video game, not better, because of the failure it represents
Bloodborne > Demon's Souls > Dark Souls 2 > Dark Souls 1
Dark Souls 1 is just so empty and fuckmassive and slow and just fucking Lost Izalith, man. Sure, Ash Lake is an amazing easter egg, but even that is empty and fuckmassive and takes forever to just walk though.
Haven't played Dark Souls 3, and I haven't bothered with a dedicated PvP character in any of the games. I just keep online for the odd invasion and the note system helps the games seem much less lonely.
>>339145608
>shits on the lore
How so?
Dark Souls 3>Dark Souls>BB>DaS2>DeS
I have no idea how anyone can genuinely like demons souls today.
>>339145608
Some people care about gameplay.
>>339145628
oh get over yourself
you havent played truly bad video games to get a proper opinion
Das2, using the Souls mechanics, is inherently a good video game, but it's flaws sting more because it doesn't live up to it's potential
>>339145608
it's fucking crazy how people have different opinions on a game, right? there are people that like it, and people who don't. there's reasons why the majority of the souls community disparages it
>>339145693
Quit posting your autistic chart.
>>339145608
>bandwaggoning
Yeah, nah. People were disappointed with DaS2 right at the get go, and rightfully so because the game was a piece of shit.
>>339141936
Demons Souls: 5/10
Dark Souls: 8/10
Dark Souls 2: 6/10
Bloodborne: 7/10
Dark Souls 3: 8/10
>>339145320
I could understand if you just said it was the worst of the souls games, but rating the other souls games so high while rating 2 so low is screaming conformity and forming opinions around the general consensus.
Now if you were able to give me some reasons why you rated it so low maybe I would be able to understand, but be warned if you say shit like soul memory or iron keep im going to write you off as a conformist because while yes those are flaws, they arent enough to warrant a 1/10.
>>339145704
Shh, don't disillusion the little contrarian. Let him tell himself that everyone just dislikes his precious game for no reason at all. He'll sleep better that way.
>>339138774
After 8 playthroughs of DaS3, I went back to Bloodborne for a run and online was thriving. I went back to Dark Souls but the PC online has been turned off. I went to SotFS and whilst there were messages and bloodstains, I saw a grand total of 3 summon signs in 30 hours. I was invaded one time in the entire game and it's DLCs.
>>339145704
what was wrong with the gameplay though theres very little difference between 1 and 2, heck id argue atm 2 is more streamlined than 1, though my memory is fuzzy as iv played 2 more recently
>>339145674
>lore
2 sort of makes up what it wants and contradicts things that were "established" in 1 and had people confused if it was a prequal or a sequal.
>>339145741
>opinions
m8 im not syaing people arent allowed to dislike it, you're exadurating what i said. im asking why do people have such a huge hate toward it, saying its the "worst" souls game and just seem to blindly shit on it... whcih cmon they do.
>>339145928
but it isnt now though, so to say that is like people havent bothered to give it a second chance.. or have kept there initial bias against it
>>339145608
>shits on the lore
Why? The lore was excellent, it did its own thing and actually respected the story of the first and building from it, talking about the rise and fall of many kingdoms, while being hella original and showing the specific case of an once powerful king, a war against giants and his effort to stop the cycle of linking the flame as well as avoiding falling prey to the manipulative schemes of his queen, who was actually a manifestation of the dark (along with 7 others, 2 of which we are show in magnificent manners in the DLC)
Then DaS3 comes and we get the exact same situation as DaS1, all to pander to the fans of the first game that couldn't get over it.
>>339145740
this
probably the best game of 2014 too
>>339145992
You're clearly far too blinded by bias to have any sort of conversation on the matter.
Top 5 bosses from each soulsborne game
Demon's Souls
>Flamelurker
>Maneater
>King Allant
>Perpetrator
>Maiden Astraea and Garl Vinland
Dark Souls
>Artorias
>Manus
>Kalameet
>Ornstein and Smough
>Sif
Dark Souls 2
>Sir Alonne
>Fume Knight
>Burnt Ivory King
>Looking Glass Knight
>Smelter Demon
Bloodborne
>Ludwig
>Lady Maria
>Orphan of Kos
>Gehrman
>Father Gascoigne
Dark Souls 3
>Nameless King
>Lothric Princes
>Dancer of the Boreal Valley
>Soul of Cinder
>Pontiff Sulyvahn
>>339146029
this is really autistic
>>339146029
>2 sort of makes up what it wants and contradicts things that were "established" in 1
How so, though? Like, specifically. There's a lot of bait and switching in 2 with shit like the dragons either being fakes or just drakes.
>>339145693
Damn man, nobody is reading and actually caring about your chart of personal opinions. All I read was the shit tier, and the fact that you put Allant and Micolash in there tells me you can only judge a video game based on it's mechanics.
>>339146070
>it had good lore after 3 dlc's, and a new character added almost a year after release
Even then, Dark Souls 2 is sorely lacking.
The general level design doesn't have anywhere near the level of "storytelling by level design" as dark souls 3 or bloodborne, and it can't get away with setting up a grand mythology as dark souls 1 did.
>>339146121
smelter demon?
why
>>339141936
I like the way you think.
DaS: 9/10
DaS2: 10/10
DaS2 SOFS: 8/10
DaS3: 8/10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBYLtyaGXP8
Nothing like it
>>339146231
how the fuck can you give base Das2 not only the highest score, but higher than SotFS?
>>339146191
Micolash is shit tier because the first half of the fight is awful, the adds should they ever hit you are ridiculously high damaging, and micolash's actual attacks consist of hugely damaging spell spam when you are up close.
He's not a good boss in any sense.
>>339139976
>>omnidirectional dodging
That wasn't until Dark Souls 2. DaS1 is still 4 way rolling.
>>339146214
The only thing the DLCs added (as far as I said in my opinion about the lore) was two more examples of the brides of dark.
>>339141936
Demon's Souls: 8/10
Dark Souls: 8,5/10
Dark Souls 2: 5,5/10
Dark Souls 2 SotFS: I'll never touch that turd again/10
Dark Souls 3: 8,5/10
>>339146029
>theres very little difference between 1 and 2
Are you shitting me, it couldn't be any more different if it tried. It touched every single aspect of the formula, making almost everything considerably worse out of sheer incompetence. I wouldn't mind the low quality content so much if it wasn't so goddamn horrible to play as well.I'd pay for a remake, won't even lie.
>>339146121
Dark Souls 3:
>Nameless kING
>Lothric Princes
>Champion Gundyr
>Soul of Cinder
>Pontiff Sulyvahn
Not that Dancer is bad, she's fantastic, I just thought champ was a funner fight because the mechanics are so thrilling to work around.
Other than Orphan of Kos, I feel it's the only boss where I have to constantly be aware of the situation.
>>339145380
Same.
I'd rather go replay Scholar of the First Sin and make some dumbshit build than start a new BB or DaS 3 character even though they're better games. Shit's messed up.
>>339146310
I really thought the changes in SOFS were quite poor.
Enemy placement is less varied, the behavior change of the mobs in the Iron Keep was incredibly weird, the numerous stone statues added hurt the pacing, the extra bosses throw all around give it a rom-hack vibe where difficulty is being added in a cheap way.
>>339146070
dont get me wrong dude. i like the scinario in 2 with the corrupt queen and fallen queen. i was reaching out for reasons as to why might people not like 2 if that makes sense.
i have no gripe against it, just that its relation to 1 makes me scratch my head a bit
and yeah i agree with what you said about 3, to me it just felt hollow, no pun intended
>>339146139
>discussing something with people makes you autistic on /v/
ok, my fault for forgetting where i am, my bad
>>339146175
i really cant remember anything specific. but i just remember there were some item descriptions that had me confused... not sure but i guess 1 thing is that knightt hat had armor the same as Aunstein. cant remember, wasnt a complaint though
>>339146405
im being a dick here but are you not confused with dark souls 3? m8 thats completely different. seriously though, 1 gameplay feature i fucking lother in 2 was how they treated equipment load.. but in terms of how the combat flows, its not all that disimilar
>>339146116
Kek what the fuck how am I bias, I want to know what you think is so bad about ds2 to give it a 1/10 when you rate the rest of the series so highly. These games dont play that differently to me or anyone I know who likes them, and while I think ds2 was the worst of the series I dont understand how you can rate it a 1 when you liked the other games in the series.
>>339146336
In dark souls 1 you are defeatng several lords to gain power enough to kill the long gone king.
In dark souls 2 you are defeating several lords to gain power enough to visit the king, then travel back in time, so you can go to some throne that has no explanation.
In dark souls 3 you are killing several lords from ages past, people who actually linked the flames, so you can unfuck ludleth's shit.
If anything, I prefer dark souls 3 to 2, because the lore seems like an actual development on dark souls 1 rather than meandering on a similar point.
>>339146574
that answers the second question
>>339146584
No actively arguing with like 4 people at one time on an anonymous imageboard is autistic.
And pretty depressing too
>>339146313
Again as I just said, you are too focused on the gameplay mechanics. If you are capable of immersion and character appreciation he is a good fight. This motherfucker has been dead for who knows how many centuries and was just having a good time in his dream reality before you showed up.
I bet you also don't like how little challenge there was in the final fight of Demon's Souls.
>>339146584
>not sure but i guess 1 thing is that knightt hat had armor the same as Aunstein
As far as retcons go, I'd say that's a cool one. Makes sense, too, why would the great leader of the 4 Knights be partnered with the most loathed man in Gwyn's kingdom?
Is scholar of the first sin good? or is it just a meme by memers who bought the same game twice trying to justify their buyer's remorse..?
>>339146687
i don't think he's been dead for centuries, probably a few months
>>339146740
Better than the rest of DS2 but nowhere near good.
>>339146641
it makes me happy that i have upset such a sperg, thanks
desu desu to be honest btw i like them all
>>339146740
Is it good it regards to DS2 nilla or as a game in general? Because yes to both its fun
>>339146687
I completely get why you like Micolash, but I thought the second part of the fight made any atmospheric value fall absolutely flat.
He seems rushed as fuck to me, and they did it in one of the worst ways possible.
When other standard NPC fights make Micolash look bad, that's when there is a problem.
They could have easily given him some unique mechanics in the actual fighting part to make him stand out, or make it different than "oh now I fall down, and the fights over".
It's just incredibly limp, and incredibly poor mechanically.
>>339146740
Honestly I'd say it changes like fucking nothing.
Only real reason to get it are the lighting changes and the prepackaged DLC. Shulva and Brume Tower are great as fuck.
>>339146687
>you are too focused on the gameplay mechanics
>in a video game
Are you retarded?
>>339146785
nothing makes you happy anymore anon
>>339146740
It's really damn good. But if you didn't like 2 to begin with it's not gonna change shit for you.
like if you didn't enjoy 1, Prepare to Die is worthless, if you didn't like Bloodborne the GOTY edition with Old Hunters is worthless.
>>339146843
great as fuck is bad english
>>339141936
Demon's Souls: 8.5/10 (Incredible debut, Stonefang was disappointing and a few bosses like Dragon God, Leechmonger and Dirty Colossus stop it from getting a higher score.)
Dark Souls: 7.5/10 (Izalith, Crystal Cave, Bed of Chaos, Seath, Nito and the incredibly disappointing DLC areas make it too heavily flawed to get a higher score.)
Dark Souls 2: 5/10 (Graphics, lighting, too many giant dudes in armor, too many areas, bosses and ganksquads. Decided to be quantity over quality.)
Dark Souls 2 SotFS: 6.8/10 (Improved on the first game, but made a few mistakes in the new version. Iron Keep is now a fucking horrorshow of enemies and Amana was made even more frustrating.) Had the chance to fix the Co-OP DLC areas but didn't)
Bloodborne: 9.2/10 (Virtually flawless. Only real issue comes from the Chalice Dungeons. If they had retuned them and made a digestible "story" version that wasn't anywhere near as long but still gave you access to the unique areas and bosses, it would be perfect. Well, that and not being able to be invaded without "opting in" and inviting co-op.)
Dark Souls 3: 8.5/10 (A good start, I hope the DLC sticks the landing. Needs a rusted Iron ring to stop people just bumrushing Farron Keep, making the Watchdogs virtually pointless. A few balance tweaks could see it climb higher.)
>>339146929
Next time you criticize grammar don't just bring one period and forget the other.
>>339146618
I view the throne as a position of power from where the owner of powerful souls can choose to restart the cycle of the rise and fall of numerous kingdoms by starting a new reign of his own. It's headcanon, but it fits.
As far as DaS3 goes, I'm not aware of what Ludleth might've done. I just thought that the options you have to end the game were pretty much the same as DaS1 (link the flame, leave the flame behind) with the exception that stealing it seems to have a slightly different effect in that it'll return the flame to the state it was in at the beginning of things, to a point of former glory.
>>339146987
im not the one trying to have good grammar here anon, but you, you are
>>339142808
I'm reading, you double nigger
>>339146740
It's a slightly different spin on DaS2. Kinda like a remixed version of the same tune.
>>339146778
Why do you say that? All of the corpses with cages on their heads including the one that is assumed to be his are pretty much mummies by this point.
All of these games from Demon's on have been about you discovering and exploring a land that went to ruin or "moved on" years ago.
>>339146026
>I went back to Dark Souls but the PC online has been turned off
Not true.
>>339142021
>+2 Estus Flask before Taurus Demon
At that point, why even bother with it?
>>339147165
well, possibly a year or so, but certainly not centuries.
his clothing, the architecture of where you find him, and the architecture of the room you fight him in suggest he's from that period of time
>>339146606
i think you allready sussed it already with:
>>339145195
>>339145992
>>339138537
>Metacritics doesn't matter when it's a game I hate, but it does when it's a game I love.
>>339146740
Better in some areas, worse in others.
Some of the enemy placement improved the game, like in Dragon Shrine. Some enemy placement was made far, FAR worse, like in Iron Keep.
Lighting was improved but not enough. Still looks awful in a lot of cases.
Didn't rebalance the DLC areas at all, so mobs are still poise monsters and the co-op areas are just as shitty. Also didn't touch Ancient Dragon.
Placed the DLC keys in obtuse locations rather than just handing them to you in the vanilla version.
It's not a vast improvement, it's just an improvement. Aava is bugged in SotFS and consumes double your weapon durability. I fought it today and it broke a fresh Zwei +10 and half the durability of my Lost Sinner's Sword +5. No other enemy/Boss has that problem.
>>339138454
DS2 was marketed heavily and had an epic Skyrim-esque trailer. Pretty sure bamco greased the palms of some reviewers, too.
That was their baby after all, not From's.
>>339147270
Ah, okay. I exaggerated with the word "centuries."
>>339146856
My point fucking FLEW over your head dude.
>>339141936
Honest as honest can be.
Demon's Souls: 7/10
Pretty lackluster level design, shit like world tendency, broken touch of death pvp builds, but it gets major props for being the first. That matters a lot, novelty is inherent to entertainment.
Dark Souls: 7/10
Great art design, but lateral mechanic improvement at best and the quality is all fuckulated with shit just falling apart midgame. Lost Izalith needs to be nuked from orbit, shit fucked my eyes.
What really brings it down is how slow it is. Stamina regen is awful, those periods of just walking around after exhausting yourself make boss battles last way longer than they should.
Dark Souls 2: 7/10
I liked this one a lot more than most, apparently, but there's still quite a few flaws. The levels are way too simple and the final boss, even with sotfs (perhaps more so, since that monologue fucks the tone in the ass and establishes nothing) is nasty horseshit.
Like, Heidi's Tower of Flame is the best looking level in the series, but is over in 30 fucking seconds and has like 6 enemies. Still I enjoyed it, and there's a fuckload of content to play around with.
Bloodborne: 9/10
Fav of the lot. Chalice dungeons shouldn't exist and 27.2 gems fuck pvp, along with the opt-in system and no red soapstoning system fucking any dedicated pvp without jumping through major loops.
But other than that it's pretty much perf, minor tweaks desired at best.
Haven't played Dark Souls 3.
>>339147693
>My point fucking FLEW over your head dude.
No, your point was just fucking stupid.
>>339139278
Finally, a list I can get behind.
>>339142084
>ever giving a shit about meme as fuck user reviews
I mean, look at how professional people can be when issuing a score.
what ending did you choose in DS1?and why did you choose the dark ending?
>>339147925
Being set on fire fucking sucks, I ain't about that life.
Dark Souls 2 was the best Souls game in the trilogy. Demon's and BB are on a separate scale.
>>339146641
>using words when you don't know the true meaning.
http://www.autism.org.uk/about/what-is/asd.aspx just so you know what autism is, after you've read that do the world a favor, find the nearest cliff and proceed to throw yourself off of it.
>>339148096
How long are you going to samefag this thread, Thane?
>>339147793
What you meant to say is that you do not agree with my point. See, some people judge video games based on more than just exactly what happens when you press certain buttons on your controller.
>>339147925
Linked the fire, seeing as Soul of Cinder fights like the chosen undead. It seems like it's canon.
Just like the second ending in SotFS seems like the canon ending as people no longer hollow in Dark Souls 3. Seems the Bearer of the Curse used his crown magic to stop the undead curse in everywhere but Londor.
Turning into a squid seems like the canon end of BB since there's a boss locked behind it.
You'd never harm the Waifu in Black so I doubt you killed her in DeS.
>>339148225
>See, some people judge video games based on more than just exactly what happens when you press certain buttons on your controller.
Yeah, like the people who work at Polygon.
>>339148192
>everyone that disagrees with me is the same person
>>339148137
Where the fuck do you think you are?
>>339148365
Replying only proves me right.
>>339146584
It's all in the details. The whole fucking lot of them. It added shitloads of startup and recovery frames to every actions. Why does that matter, you ask? Because that made smaller weapons a lot worse to use, which were already nerfed considerably thanks to damage type changes. Because that, coupled with the greater tracking periods on attacks and little to no delay on turning around, made simply running away from attacks much more effective than rolling, the main fucking mechanic of these games, with bad hitboxes being the cherry on top. Because that made rising small and medium shields so goddamn slow they're worthless. Because all of that made the game slower, despite the movement speed being much higher than Dark Souls'. Because what would have been a good change for sipping was rendered pointless with regenerating consumables you can stack for enormous HP buffers. Also, the """"punishment"""" for mindless backstabbing, as you take 30% or so of damage without ever breaking your poise. It also made durability fucking silly without ever letting you pick up Repair Powder early on. And let's not forget Agility and iframes, making SL1 runs a living hell for no reason even with that DLC ring, which only added a single frame if I'm not mistaken. I'm telling you all this with only a single playthrough dropped halfway through NG+ at release, I'm sure some poor soul who kept playing to fuel his addiction can do a deeper analysis on this trainwreck, especially PVP wise.
Sure, the buffs were pretty bad in DaS2, but just FUCKING LOOK AT THAT CARDBOARD ARMOR
Dark Souls 2 had the only good PC port. Everything else was shit though especially the things that mattered such as enemies and bosses and level design.
2 and 3 both suffer from absolutely zero atmosphere. Just a bunch of mismatched places all strewn together. 2 especially suffered from that and 3 was too safe with everything, areas were 5x shorter than they should have been and bonfires everywhere removed any risk involved with dying.
DeS is still the best in terms of environments, pacing and atmosphere. Plus is has some of the best bosses in the series.
Dark Souls is just a very solid and very good game all around.
>>339148241
> soul of cinder fights like the chosen undead
reeee
I always liked to imagine what made the chosen undead stronger than those oversized motherfuckers was the player's fear of death.
the enemies in ds1 just had those strange repetitive robust movements as if they weren't alive. the only purpose was to kill, but your character's moveset is versatile and always changing because of the will to survive
>>339148641
>Market game with Faraam Armor
>It looks like total shit ingame and is completely outshined by the Elite Knight set
>>339148654
>...3 both suffer from absolutely zero atmosphere. Just a bunch of mismatched places all strewn together.
you have no idea what you're talking about
>>339141936
In order that I played them and platform
Dark Souls (360): 8/10
Dark Souls PTD (PC): 9/10
Dark Souls II: 8/10
Demons' Souls: 7/10
Bloodborne: 10/10
Dark Souls II sotfs: 8/10
Dark Souls III: 8/10
>>339148594
fair play anon, thanks for goin through the effort of typing that. its probably the most thought out and well reasoned post in this thread.
>>339148641
It's okay though, they added the little metal shine back for only $40. You also get bloom you can't turn off and enemy positioning that makes the original game look smart.
>>339148721
alva armour was probably meant to be DaS2's real flagship set
>>339148691
soul of cinder is also Aldrich, Yhrom, Gwyn, The Legion, and Ludleth
How can people defend the first dark souls so hard?
Half of the game is literally INCOMPLETE
All the areas after Anor Londo suck ass
Hitboxes are fucked, Iron Golem can attack you from behind, Ceaseless Discharge can hit you through montains, enemies can hit you through walls
It has the worst balance of all the games and the most bullshit game mechanics (backstabs are OP bullshit that make both PvE and PvP unfun, rolls while locked-on are garbage)
Hell, even half of the DLC is just a copypasted forest from the base game, and the second half is a hallway leading to the most bland zone in the entire series, at least the bosses are good
>>339148313
I've never been to polygon and don't understand what you mean. Do you judge your games only based on what happens when you hit the buttons on your controller?
>you will never be a souls bandwagoner whose first game was the worst game in dark souls, Dark Souls 2
thank jesus
>>339148801
I've never seen the appeal of Alva' Armour. It was extremely bland and the only thing it had going was the red half-cape/skirt combo
>>339148835
Duke's Archives and New Londo were fine
I feel sorry for people who didn't play demons' souls before dark souls release
>>339148854
I base my opinions on games on how enjoyable the gameplay is, yes. I think you'll find that most functioning human beings do.
>>339148801
Shit even shows up on the emote menu, it totally was.
My theory? Faraam looks kinda wintery, so they used to to compete with Skyrim the way they were at the time. That's the only reason that shit set is on the cover.Bendy, bendy chestpiece.
>>339149069
dark souls 1 was in competition with skyrim, das2 come out years later
>>339141936
Demon's: 8.5/10
Dark 1: 10/10
Dark 2: 7/10
Bloodborne: 9.5/10
Dark 3: 9/10
>>339149131
DaS2 is only two years old, what the fuck?
Is Dark Souls 2 really considered to be that bad? I've been playing through SotFs and I think it's pretty fun.
>>339149015
I recognize that this has become a shit flinging contest but nevertheless, in my opinion you are missing out on a huge part of video game enjoyment if you can only appreciate gameplay mechanics.
>>339142692
fuck off with this god damn not everyone can own a PS4
>>339148875
>calling other people bandwagoner
>says DaS2 is bad
Ok.
>>339149312
Depends on who you ask.
One saucy poster notably described his reaction as "If the universe ended and the game was erased from existence, some small part of me would still hate it".
Personally I thought it was pretty good.
>>339141936
Demons: 10/20
1: 16/20
2: 13/20
BB: 17/20
3: 11/20
DS1>DS2>>DS3
dark soluls > bloodborne > demon souls > Salt and Sanctuary > lords of the fallen > king's field 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dark souls 2
>>339149403
Trying too hard.
>>339149353
That's not what I said at all. Are you alright?
>>339145107
>dark souls 2 is a cash grab
and 3 isnt? with its "remembuh me?" tier throw backs to ds1?
also bloodborne is praised so much for a few reasons, 1 is because its a ps4 exclusive so sony fans cling to it as "their souls game" and 2 it borught in a new crowd that have never played a souls game and praise it off its own merit without playing and comparing it to the other souls games.
in short love is blind and people are dumb, the game is fine as a standalone game but it shouldnt be lumped in as part of the souls series
>>339141936
Dark Souls: 8/10
Dark Souls 2: 7/10
Bloodborne: 9/10
Dark Souls 3: 8/10
>>339149586
So if the Nameless King was fine and dandy all along, what was his ring doing on a corpse next to Gwyn's not-coffin room?
>>339149509
>also bloodborne is praised so much for a few reasons, 1 is because its a ps4 exclusive so sony fans cling to it as "their souls game" and 2 it borught in a new crowd that have never played a souls game and praise it off its own merit without playing and comparing it to the other souls games.
So this is the power of PCbro denial.
>>339141936
Dark Souls: 9/10
Dark Souls 2: 7/10
Dark Souls 3: 9/10
DLC:
Artorias of the Abyss: 10/10
Crown of the Sunken King: 9/10
Crown of the Old Iron King: 10/10
Crown of the Ivory King: 10/10
Scholar of the First Sin: 9/10
>>339148835
You know what's really great about these games? With the obvious exception, they're all mechanically sound. They're consistent. You can't think of anything grossly wrong at its core that would hinder your enjoyment, only minor flaws. Going through Lost Izalith and Bed of Chaos blind is more fun than anything 2 has to offer because of that. Also, New Londo is one of the few places where the connected map design really shinesmostly because it only has one progression wall, Sif, instead of Gargoyles, Queelag, Golem and O&S.
>>339149509
As much as I enjoy BB, I can't help but feel the main game was vastly overrated on it's release.
The DLC helped that a lot, just like it did in dark souls 1 and 2 I guess.
>>339149714
>Going through Lost Izalith and Bed of Chaos blind is more fun than anything 2 has to offer
You're delusional.
>>339149656
>ignoring how i said its an ok game just to shitfling
nigga i've played it, its a bad "souls" game, which it is
>>339149797
this too
https://youtu.be/K-rNVnrFQDg
best souls song.
try to prove otherwise.
> you can't
>>339149484
Do you judge your games only based on what happens when you hit the buttons on your controller?
>I base my opinions on games on how enjoyable the gameplay is, yes.
in my opinion you are missing out on a huge part of video game enjoyment if you can only appreciate gameplay mechanics.
>That's not what I said at all. Are you alright?
????
>>339149931
>you can only appreciate gameplay mechanics
>ONLY
You actually are retarded, aren't you?
>>339149910
Shame it wasn't really a boss fight, just beat her hapless guard and she kills herself for you. Or hit her a couple times and she occasionally busts out her AoE.
>>339149910
one who craves souls is my favorite des song
>>339149931
>>339149981
do either of you even know what you're arguing about anymore
cuz i dont, you just sound like you're trying to get the last word without saying anything meaningful at the is point
on paper though you're both right
>>339149654
He threw his ring at papa Gwynn after he got exiled.
>>339150250
>let me step in and give me unsolicited opinion on something I admit to knowing nothing about
>>339149714
somethings wrong with you
like really wrong with you
>>339150349
man are you that fucking angry and miserable that youd just argue with someone who's agreeing with you, just for the fuck of it
