Why is DOOM so badly optimized on PC?
>B-but it runs great on my $650 980Ti at 1080p/60fps while looking identical to consoles!!
It can't even run at 900p/60fps and low on a GTX 950, which is better than consoles. Is Vulkan going to help or is min requirements bloat starting? For the first few years of a console, equivalent GPU hardware works great (Xbox 360 games ran on the X1800). Then the minimum became the 8800 GTX or higher.
Is the same thing happening now? Will the 970 and 290 bee the minimum for 1080p/30fps and low soon?
>>339061620
My 970 runs it at an average of 130 fps on maxed settings.
>>339061620
Who fucking cares nerd, just play it.
>>339061620
>Bethesda
There's your answer. Absolutely horrible development studio.
>>339061620
I'm playing it on low way below the recommended specs. I'd say its pretty optimized.
Runs fine for me.
@ 1440 and +120 FPS. Everything maxed out except for bullshit like DOF, Blur, etc..
>>339062458
More than likely true, but this is developed by id Software.
Please shitpost elsewhere
>>339062504
With what GPU and what settings?
Also CPU?
It runs mostly fine on my i5 6500 with 660 GTX. minor slowdown in places but it goes away after a reload.
interestingly, 660GTX "isn't supported hardware"
It needs more than 2gb vram and at least 4 cores. I have an i5 4440, but my 960 only has 2gb vram so at times it chugs and barely gets 32 fps. No matter what settings I tweak, even massive drops in certain areas. The PS4 runs the game better than the 960 2gb. Fix your game Bethesda/id
>>339062931
I thought master race was all about the greatest technology and highest end hardware? Upgrade your shit fag
>Have a 670 and a 3570
>Get pretty constant 60fps at 1080p
Seems well optimized to me.
All my lag is either due to overload or problems with the engine. Some rooms run bad no matter the setting, and a majority of my lag came from small encounters that obviously weren't taxing my system.
>>339062657
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4ghz
8 gigs of ram
AMD Radeon HD 7700
Everything on the lowest settings. Snap map holds a constant 60 but the single player jumps around between 60 down to ~30 or less depending on the map.
Defiantly not ideal but I beat the game on nightmare.
>>339062675
At 1080p I assume. What FPS and settings?
>>339062931
>>339063262
It must be related to the CPU because the GTX 670 runs it fine and has only 2GB.
>>339062656
who is owned by bethesda
>>339063791
Right, so less than 30fps in the campaign isn't great. This game runs at 900p/60fps on the Xbone somehow, which has basically the same GPU as you.
I guess it's optimized for how good it looks, but not compared to it's console performance.
>>339062675
I also run on an unsupported GPU: 580GTX, core i5 2500 and 8GB RAM
I get 60+FPS 90% of the time on Medium. When it drops it gets to 40 at the lowest
>>339061620
>GTX 950 is 'better than consoles'
>can't do 900p/60 low
You must be using the N64 as a reference point.
>>339061620
950 is shit tier
>>339063934
yeah but id software made the game and used their own-made tech you fucker
>>339064008
The problem with DOOMs framer are is all in the engine. It was optimized for a lot of cards and systems but not all of them.
Ps4 and Bone are fully optimized because they only have the one hardware to deal with. A majority of newer cards are optimized for DOOM and even if they're not it's still fully playable.
It runs really well even on hardware below the minimum requirement. Not perfect but inevitable performance patch 1 is assuredly on the way.
I get lag on the startup developer logos, which makes no sense since I can run a 12 demon encounter with explosions and maintain 60fps.
>>339064568
>>I get lag on the startup developer logos,
Are you using an nvidia card with outdated drivers?
There is a bug in some recent nvidia drivers that causes an issue on startup.
>>339062084
That image is retarded and I'm surprised how it got so popular.
>instead of opening a dialogue on a point of contention for certain individuals, just dismiss it with a shitty response
I wa going to buy this game. I don't know how it will run on an i5 4460 + 280x, but I'm still tempted.
Too bad we don't have demos anymore and denuvo is a thing.
$300 PS4 is the equivalent of an $800 PC, why would a budget shit play it?
>>339064981
>Too bad we don't have demos anymore
The MP betas were a solid engine test. SP has more shaders and shit so you'll get slightly worse performance, but at least you can know if it will boot at all
anyone w/ i5 4670k and 770 2g want to tell me your experience please?
>>339064981
Just look it up on youtube, it's really easy.
>>339062675
Fuck, I have 660 gtx... what do you mean it's not supported, the card is only 4 years old
>>339064981
> What are steam refunds?
> How do change graphics settings?
The post
>>339065550
GTX 670 is the minimum supported card.
>>339064914
it's a tumblr thing
>>339065706
Oh that makes sense since there's no such thing as free speech or open dialogue there. It's still baffling to see it posted here so frequently though.
>>339065691
Motherfucking pc gaming and being poor don't get along :(
>>339061620
>950
You deserve what you get.
>>339065550
"Minimum" requirements are bloated. They're roughly what it would take to play at Mid-High settings at a constant 40+ FPS
If you're willing to do Medium/Low you can use older cards. The game is a RAM hog though, 8GB is utterly required, and 16 strongly recommended
How many FPS am I going to get with a 7870?
>>339065879
>>339065932
hes right anon sry =(
>>339061620
1440p, 60fps at high settings on my R9 290
>>339065849
I have 16gb RAM, and I run it on 800p wxga projector so having lower resolution helps a lot. But still, got to upgrade this year, maybe pick up one them 4k monitors to, they seem to get more and more affordable
>>339065849
>"Minimum" requirements are bloated. They're roughly what it would take to play at Mid-High settings at a constant 40+ FPS
That's because the game is a 60FPS target even on consoles. They probably figured nobody wants to play such a fast, input-heavy game on lower framerates and they are covering their bases
>>339065879
Should be able to run medium-high settings 1080p, 60fps.
get a better video card bub
>>339064348
Are you trying to say that holding companies cannot and do not perform executive meddling in the affairs of their subsidiaries?
Here's the video, fag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl2v0socpZY
>>339066125
Don't go 4k unless you plan on getting two GPUs. Even the 1080 can't handle 4k reliably without gimping graphics to compensate.
>>339061620
I run the game with just about every setting set to low, and get around 30-60 FPS.
I attribute it to the retarded choice of a CPU I have though. Planning on getting an i5 6600K, though and seeing what Polaris has in store.
>>339061620
>GTX 950
Everybody laugh at the poorfag!
>>339066373
>>339061620
>dual core HT cpu
What did he expect?
Only shitty games like Arma3 do just as well on those cpus.
>>339063839
there were a few 4gb 670 sold in the end of the cycle
>>339066515
Which I'm fine with.
* I can buy 4k monitor now, and whatever games are less intensive I can enjoy immediately in 4k - like resident evil revelations 2 will probably run 4k even on max, and their AA implementation is garbage so it would do well to up resolution
* Changing card more often than monitor is probably OK too. I don't know for sure, but considering we can't even reliably hit 4k yet, it's unlikely I will need higher res monitor soon
>why doesn't my shit tier GPU let me run games perfectly?!
Look you either build a PC for your resolution or you buy a console. If you want to play games at 1080p you buy a 390 or 970. Every other lower level card exists for you to waste your money.
>>339061620
Except in this video the game is clearly cpu bottlenecked... You're retarded, kill yourself. Pls.
>>339067794
4K will not be worth it until HBM2 cards come out. Don't fall for the meme. Dual card setups are a headache.
didn't someone get doom 3 to run on an ancient piece of shit with a voodoo 2 chip? bethesda was a mistake.
>>339062675
>mostly fine
What does that even mean?
>>339067985
Probably odd dips in FPS in some sections.
>>339067892
I'm not going for dual cards. I'm saying even single 1080 will push 4k for a lot of games, except maybe fattest AAA hogs
I play at laptop-tier 1366x768 with a 550ti
Shitty card but because of the resolution I can still play modern games on relatively high settings. Overwatch runs at 50-60 on tweaked high settings.
Anybody with the same card or similar wanna let me know how the performance is for Doom?
Turn resolution scaling down to 85% or 75%, and you'll get 60 frames @1080p. Most of my settings are on medium, just stuff like motion blur/HDR bloom/reflections is low or off.
Stuff like windows or smoke still kills frames out right though.
>>339068179
1080 won't push 4K with 60fps unless you're turning down settings. If you're spending that much on a GPU why would you not want max settings? Just wait until HBM2 to jump to 4K.
>>339061620
When the demons captured the Doom Slayer and stripped him of his suit and weapons why didn't they just kill him instead of sealing him in a tomb? Why didn't that robot guy kill him at the end of the campaign he was again captured and helpless what do you mean you can't kill him he is a human and has been dying left and right throughout the game when you play as him
>>339063791
holy fucking shit m8. Core 2 quad Q6600.
Ma nigga.
>>339061620
>Why doesn't it run better on my 6 year old PC?!?
>>339069316
>When the demons captured the Doom Slayer and stripped him of his suit and weapons why didn't they just kill him instead of sealing him in a tomb?
It was some sort of magical trap that entombed him, not a mere ceiling falling. It sealed him as the demons were defeated
>Why didn't that robot guy kill him at the end of the campaign he was again captured and helpless what do you mean you can't kill him he is a human and has been dying left and right throughout the game when you play as him
Probably has use for you should another demon situation arise/thinks he can keep you under control. We Gman now
>>339061620
i3 6100
16GB RAM
GTX 960
I move it maxed out except that option that requieres a bazillion GB of RAM.
>>339070263
Well if the guys that busted you out of your tomb were able to get in there and get you back to mars and detain Doom Slayer to study him what stopped the demons from entering the tomb after he has been caught and killing him. Since he didn.t have his suit or weapons.
>>339070482
They couldn't risk opening it, the second they did he'd kill them all.
>>339061620
>mfw my 970 runs it at 1440p 60 FPS at all times
Git gud
>>339070482
It seemed like Doomguy was invulnerable while he was sealed. The demons probably didn't want to risk it
Also he was sealed by a caste of priest demons which died in the process. The remaining demons probably don't know how to reverse the process or don't even want to try it. Even though the UAC managed to through their argent tech
One audio log mentions the demons tried to defend the tomb but the UAC managed to take it anyway (presumably with regular-ass UAC soldiers), so regular demons aren't probably all that smart/organized to begin with. They also probably weren't counting on anyone else being able to travel to their dimension
>>339070736
But then how was he detained in the mars base after they saved him? I doubt that he would have agreed to that also why didn't the demons do the sealing thing again when he entered hell multiple times during the game since they probably wouldn't be able to rescue him again?
>>339070869
Eh, better than nothing.
>>339061620
Why is your computer shit?
>>339070482
Just adding to >>339070869 's response. When Doomguy died he went back to hell and began his murder spree anew. Sealing was the only answer. He's one of the 40% (If that's still a thing since it was stated in D3 I think) of humans not affected by possession and for whatever reason isn't absorbed into hell like you see other lost souls in walls and shit in older games.
>>339072127
Doom 3 is non-canon.
i get smooth framerate most of the time. there are certain effects in rooms that make the framerate dip (smoke/volumetric fog is one of them i think) but otherwise its smooth.
settings are medium with some high (like textures and AF). have a few on low, like reflections/shadows/motion blue.
i have vsync on (not adaptive). it may be syncing to 30 and im just not noticing because i never get up to 60, but i havent bothered to check the framerate because its perfectly playable in heavy combat and it still looks pretty.
running it at 1366x768 fullscreen-windowed since thats what my default res is on this machine anyway. im sure that helps with performance.
>>339072275
You sure about that pham?
>>339072698
By that logic Skyrim is canon int he universe since you find a Nord helm.
>>339072698
You can also find the Artifact in another room.
Also, there's another reference to Doom 3.
The sound the Gauss canon makes after firing is the reload sound for the Doom 3 rocket launcher.
>>339072275
I am aware D3 is more or less, at the very least, not the Doomguy we follow. There's a chance it's one of the multitudes of dimensions but that's a side discussion with zero bearing on this one.
However, the fact that some people are readily possessed and others aren't is a consistent element of the franchise. I just listed the percentage stated in Doom 3 because I liked having something of a concrete sounding number to go with what I was saying.
Intel Core i5-4590 3.3 GHZ and an R9 390
what is the best settings for me?
The game is missing a New Game+ mode to play over and over, like Wolfenstein TNO where you can choose levels, or you can replay the campaign over and over.
Only being able to choose levels is not the same.
>>339073749
I would say maxed out, I play it like that with a GTX 960, but apparently there's performance issues on AMD GPUs.
>>339073749
A GeForce card.
>>339073806
>I would say maxed out, I play it like that with a GTX 960, but apparently there's performance issues on AMD GPUs.
I tried max and it goes 60 fps no problem until things start happening, I think there is an issue with amd cards because no other games I play go below 40 and this game drops to 15
>>339065789
> le sekrit club
This place is full normies and sjws. They see coming to the big bad 4chan as a zoo visit.
>>339061620
It's because they were using an i3 you cuck.
>>339065879
60+ on low-medium
Definitely need to get the latest drivers though, ran like asscheeks in indoor areas before.
>>339061620
Using i3, 4 gb of ram and 1 gb of gpu.
It runs and it runs good, if you can't run it on a computer better than my system you've got problems.
>>339066132
It's not just this game. If you kept watching system requirements through the years you would've seen that recently minimum requirements were inacquirate with worse hardware being able to run the games moderately.
There was a time when minimum literally only meant "runnable" (pre-2009 mostly). The game back then with minimum hardware would stutter and crap out.
>>339061620
Kek A semi custom mobile Apu can run this game on 1080p @60
>>339069098
Ok, it won't push 4k@60hz reliably for modern aaa titles with a bunch of effects on, but there is no telling if hbm2 will fix that. Bottom line it is a perpetual cycle of improvement, and depending on circumstances (for some lighter titles) I bet even 1070 will push 4k just fine so there is no reason to not buy the monitor. If not all titles use full UHD is OK, as long as some titles do
>>339061620
No point buying DOOM desu. That garbage is region locked.
>>339061620
If you actually watched the video, they clearly state it's because of the CPU, not the GPU.
>>339072997
I reckon Doom 3 is not Doomguy.
While Doom 3 was taking place on Mars, Doomguy was on Phobos in the original Doom
>>339076278
On shit settings, maybe.
I'd have bought a concole if I was a person that settled for less, faggot-kun.
>>339077208
Your mom is garbage anon. Shut your trap about my gamefu
>>339064348
>own-made
Millennials, everyone
>>339061620
>expecting good results with 2gb of vram
>>339072819
yes, Doomguy is godhead
Skyrim literally took place in Doomguys dreams while he was asleep in hell
>>339077467
No, you're garbage. I have friends in NA and I can't play with them because of that fucking retarded region lock.
>>339062531
fuck off
post benchmarks
>>339077902
> Playing fast paced shooter cross region
> What is latency, not even once
They did it for a reason, you dipshit
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>>339077515
PC gamers are mostly assholes.
The same people who say "XD consoles are total shit and a waste of money!!!" will then sneer at you for actually following their advice and building a PC.
You can't have it both ways PC fats, either consoles are good value for people looking to spend $350, or cards like the R9 270 and GTX 950 should run games better than consoles. So say it. Say "consoles are good value for $350".
>>339078210
Fuck off Bethesda shill.
>>339078883
>butthurt poorfag can't afford anything other than a shit console
>b-but muh value...
>>339061620
Is it badly optimized on PC or are they finally optimizing games on consoles? There have been games this gen that have run way worse on PS4 and Xbone than they should have when compared to toaster PCs. With a moderate to high-end PC DOOM looks and runs noticeably better than on PS4/Xbone.
>>339078046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jylJBpCEMSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl2v0socpZY
>>339078883
In the majority of cases, a GTX950 will beat or match consoles at equivalent settings,
Doom is just one of those cases where it favours many CPU threads over performance per clock.
It still runs perfectly fine on an i3.
>>339079062
> Obeying the laws of physics and speed of light
> Bethesda shill
Logic, do you speak it, motherfucker.
>>339069098
Have you seen benches yet? I'm team red atm and I was impressed that it was pulling 4k/75-80 fps on doom maxed out
>>339080493
Isn't today the release day? Does anyone have Pascal card on hand?
> Check Amazon
Some"fuck my shit up" editions for > $1,100 only. Nvidia fags, not even once
>>339080636
Ive been watching reviews on youtube the past week. They usually send out samples before launch
tfw when $300 ps4 gets the same settings as a $600 pc
>>339065457
Yeah dude i have this rig and my CPU isnt even k version. 60 fps on 1080p all high details and other options enabled. 95% of the time- it drops to 45-50 fps in intense moments. Was shocked how well it run, i expected my 770 to struggle on medium.
>>339065789
Except that's fine, if everyone is in agreement, who cares what nobody else thinks? Or did you not play/forget about last year's GOTY, and the GOAT?
It ran great on my 380X. I thought it was very well optimized.
Never dropped below 80fps with everything maxed except particles. And the 5gb of ram options.
>>339065457
It runs great on High, solid 60 fps with some dips here and there, but still a great experience
>>339078883
>consoles are good value for people looking to spend $350
I would have no problem saying this if more games ran as well as Doom on console. PS4 seems to have more games caring about framerate this gen, and if that was always the case and you were guaranteed a smooth experience, sure, $350 for the performance isn't bad.
But last gen? Fuck that. Frame dips all over the place, shitty resolutions, and reduced effects to boot. A cheapo $350 PC build was still superior for everything but the exclusives (naturally).
As a diehard PCfag I have to say I've been pretty impressed at the PS4 performance this gen though.
>>339083427
You have to look at the performance compared to PC hardware from 2005-2007. Last gen was even better in those first years.
>>339061620
>GTX 950, which is better than consoles.
I got bad news for you
who the fuck told you 950 is stronger than a console, any card below x60 is shit and not for gaming
950 sits at 1,5 teraflop peak, compared to 1,8 of ps4 on top of your shit pc probably bottlenecking it with a crappy cpu
950 is a joke card you sell retards in prebuild pcs, you should be glad you can even turn on the game
>>339084453
Wildpcfag joins the thread
>>339061620
Because fuck the PC market.
It's a dead market filled with nothing but cheap, broke, entitled, neckbeard-man children that still live of their parents and expect every game to be free and have the best possible settings.
Kill ya selfs
>>339061620
>GTX 950
>play on a wooden pc
>blame the game
typical
>>339065789
> It's still baffling to see it posted here so frequently though.
It gets (You)s for free every time.
>>339078883
get a job
